Samsung found to be guilty of patent infringement, owes Apple over a billion dollars

After a long court battle that resulted in many internal company documents being spilled to the public, the case has finally come to a close. 

The verdict has come in and Apple has come out on top in the fight against Samsung with the courts favoring heavily towards Apple. Apple has won the patent battle on nearly every claim it brought against Samsung, which is devastating blow to Samsung whose popular devices have been helping the company grow its mobile marketshare. 

While most of the phones were found to be infringing on Apple's patents, one interesting note is that the Galaxy Tab line of tablets did not. Essentially, it appears that most of the software patents are holding strong, but design patents are coming up short. 

The damages that Samsung must pay to Apple top 1 billion dollars; to be exact, Samsung must pay Apple 1,049,343,000.00. 

In addition to Apple having a major victory on patent infringement, Samsung's counter suit against Apple fell short and found that Apple did not violate any of Samsung's patents which means Samsung was awarded 0 dollars in damages.

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It comes as no surprise...judge disallowed Samsung from presenting evidence for their defense even before the trial began, the judge, and the jury reside in Apple's "backyard." Hardly what I would call a truly level playing field. It will probably be overturned on appeal, or both parties will come to a mutual understanding that both have infringed on each others' patents.

MeltedMacaroni said,

That is good, because Apple products is all I will buy from now on.

Apple products are the only thing you've ever bought.

Chevelle said,
This is BS! I will never buy another Apple product.

That implies you bought them previously. Which I highly doubt.

TBH, the ruling seems fair enough... Throw out the design claims and award the software ones, which are obviously true to anyone who objectively looks at the way Samsung skinned android, designed their apps and created the UI.

$1B is short change for Samsung, so pack up, pay at the cashiers desk and try to be original next time..

haha I knew I'd be able to rely in the Neowin readers to come up with numerous outlandish and immature reasons why Apple can't possibly be worthy of this and why Samsung are innocent.

- The judge must be in Apple's pocket.
- The jury were more likely Apple product users.
- The jury were receiving 'backhanders'.
- Apple stole the mouse concept from Xerox so can't possibly win this case. (See the connection? No, nor did anyone else, I suspect.)
- Apple is stopping innovation.
- It's just another patent battle.
- Apple thinks it owns black rectangles.
- Apple are jealous.

Bless you all, you never cease to raise laughter here.

TheDogsBed said,
...

no company is worthy of this. there was an obvious bias, and the only people who believe there wasn't are people who either don't know what's going on or ride apple's dick

You could have added that equally laughable excuse BEFORE I composed my list.

- No company is worthy of this. An obvious bias.

Keep us laughing, boys...

StevenJ said,

no company is worthy of this. there was an obvious bias, and the only people who believe there wasn't are people who either don't know what's going on or ride apple's dick

Yep, if I were Samsung, I would start increasing the price of the hardware they sell to Foxconn for the iJunk. Time for Google to take Apple down a peg or two. You think this ends here?
Nope, this will just cause Apple to go after more and more. But, this will be a blessing in the end. People will get tired of the same old junk being offered up by crAPPLE, and the locked down nature of their IOS, and go somewhere else. Now that the cult leader of crAPPLE is gone, it won't be long til the bean counters screw crAPPLE up.

naap51stang said,
Yep, if I were Samsung, I would start increasing the price of the hardware they sell to Foxconn for the iJunk. Time for Google to take Apple down a peg or two. You think this ends here?
Nope, this will just cause Apple to go after more and more. But, this will be a blessing in the end. People will get tired of the same old junk being offered up by crAPPLE, and the locked down nature of their IOS, and go somewhere else. Now that the cult leader of crAPPLE is gone, it won't be long til the bean counters screw crAPPLE up.


Google's Motorola lost its case against Apple today
http://www.appleinsider.com/ar...s_avoids_us_import_ban.html

I guess Samsung will just increase the pricing for the components used in Apple's products, won't take too long to claw back that 1 1/2 billion

ManMountain said,
I guess Samsung will just increase the pricing for the components used in Apple's products, won't take too long to claw back that 1 1/2 billion

Not if they don't want to lose their biggest customers. Samsung **** in their own bed and now they are paying for it.

Septimus said,

Not if they don't want to lose their biggest customers. Samsung **** in their own bed and now they are paying for it.

I don't think so, you're trying to tell me that all Samsung make are 99% of the parts for the iPhone and their own smartphones. Fact is that Samsung make parts for other manufacturers, Fridges, Freezers, TVs, Laptops and Desktops so losing a tiny drop in the ocean from Apple is nothing.

They deserve it. Shameless thieves. even a kid will say samsung's phone are iphone's copy. They even copy packaging, marketing style and the default items in menu. but still samsung products are cheap and worthless. Look at galaxy S 3, they are a big processor chip and lcd makers and yet they don't use their best stuff in their own flagship product.

S3P€hR said,
They deserve it. Shameless thieves. even a kid will say samsung's phone are iphone's copy. They even copy packaging, marketing style and the default items in menu. but still samsung products are cheap and worthless. Look at galaxy S 3, they are a big processor chip and lcd makers and yet they don't use their best stuff in their own flagship product.

Actually they do reserve the best stuff for their own products, can you say Super AMOLED HD. It should be called the Samsung iPhone seeing as they supply 99% of the parts for it.

6:04:07 PM PDT
According to Koh's calendar, September 20th is the soonest she can have a hearing regarding any preliminary injunctions.
6:03:45 PM PDT
Koh is fine with this.
6:03:39 PM PDT
Injunctions are coming up. Samsung wants them to happen after any Rule 50 motions.

Even though Koh is an idiot, we should try and see the good side of this. The iPhone is not the what the phone makers should be aspiring to. Whats funny is, by the end of this decade, Apple will look like it did at the end of the 80s, small and f****d.

Ironic. Considering how Apple blatantly stole the whole concept of the mouse from Xerox when they were just getting started. Imagine if they were squashed with the same enthusiasm, might be a different world.

Hahaiah said,
Ironic. Considering how Apple blatantly stole the whole concept of the mouse from Xerox when they were just getting started. Imagine if they were squashed with the same enthusiasm, might be a different world.

Really?

Have you ever used a Xerox Star or Alto and tried to compare them with a 1984 Macintosh?
You were probably not even born but in case you had experience with any of them, you'd see that the concept of accusing Apple of having just ripped off Xerox and applied no work of their own, could be only conceived by people who've done little more than look at screenshots. The Star and Alto, ahead of their time as they were, were nothing like a modern GUI to use. Put a modern computer user from 2012 in front of one, and they'll be stuck for finding how to work the thing. Put them in front of a 1984 Macintosh, and almost everything works like we have now.

Hahaiah said,
Ironic. Considering how Apple blatantly stole the whole concept of the mouse from Xerox when they were just getting started. Imagine if they were squashed with the same enthusiasm, might be a different world.

Really?

Have you ever used a Xerox Star or Alto and tried to compare them with a 1984 Macintosh?
You were probably not even born but in case you had experience with any of them, you'd see that the concept of accusing Apple of having just ripped off Xerox and applied no work of their own, could be only conceived by people who've done little more than look at screenshots. The Star and Alto, ahead of their time as they were, were nothing like a modern GUI to use. Put a modern computer user from 2012 in front of one, and they'll be stuck for finding how to work the thing. Put them in front of a 1984 Macintosh, and almost everything works like we have now.

5:56:16 PM PDT
The total dollar amount is changing
5:56:05 PM PDT
For the '915 patent, the Intercept is now changed to no.
5:55:45 PM PDT
Question 4.

lucy koh it was expected, i hope samsung appeal to another court because obviously this judge its biased.....

while koreans neglected boths amsung and apple in kroea american justice system its biased and only helped apple

eilegz said,
lucy koh it was expected, i hope samsung appeal to another court because obviously this judge its biased.....
The decision was made by a jury, not Judge Koh.

I wonder how much money Samsung make from each Apple device with Samsung electrics in it. Maybe the nerds at Samsung need to weigh up what's more important. Having Apple in the pocket, or releasing phones that are simply better than Apple's product.

5:23:37 PM PDT
Apple argues that based on the nuance of the language in the instructions this is a non-issue and both decisions can stand. Koh admits that she "is swayed" by Apple's argument.

Why are people calling this an innovative thing. Everything Apple are doing is stopping innovation getting into the hands of the consumer.

Nashy said,
Why are people calling this an innovative thing. Everything Apple are doing is stopping innovation getting into the hands of the consumer.

+1

As steve jobs said, he will destroy android.

5:19:39 PM PDT
Samsung's attorneys are now arguing that the jury's finding of patent exhaustion not be valid because one of the prerequisites for patent exhaustion is that Apple's devices had infringed in the first place.

Bugballou said,
Only real loser here is the U.S. consumer, shame on you Samsung, and up yours Snapple....


Consumer is not the loser.... Samsung is the loser... If samsung is forced to make more innovative phones thats great for everyone.

Super. Now we can all look forward to less innovation and product advancement. Even Apple fanboys can't be blind to how this is bad for the consumer. My squarish gadget with a screen looks sort of like your squarish gadget with a screen, it's beyond ridiculous.
Read some of the patents these companies have, not just Apple, it's just becoming a business model based on scoring enough patents to sue or sell yourself into profitability if your product sucks.

5:00:53 PM PDT
The court is back in recess until we hear from the jurors. Apple attorney Michael Jacobs said he was going to stay in the courtroom. "I wouldn't go far," Koh says.
4:59:36 PM PDT
Michael Jacobs shoots right up, cutting her off: "No your honor."
4:59:25 PM PDT
Koh asks if the parties would rather the jury show up on Monday to settle this instead.
4:59:07 PM PDT
The jurors are headed down to the usual haunts on the 4th floor to go over the form.
4:58:30 PM PDT
Koh is asking the jurors to go back and make any changes in red.
4:58:08 PM PDT
Intercept: "The jury found no direct infringement but did find inducement" for the '915 and '163 utility patents. If a device didn't infringe, it would be rather hard for a company to induce said non-existant infringement.
4:56:53 PM PDT
Galaxy Tab 10.1 4G LTE. "It was accused of infringing the design patent 889 and there was an allegation of inducement of infringement... and there was also a claim of iPad and iPad 2 trade dress infringement."
4:56:13 PM PDT
"There are two inconsistencies we'd like to bring to your attention."

4:55:11 PM PDT
The jurors are coming in now.
4:55:08 PM PDT
Rather than simply having the monies removed, Apple is asking that the jury be allowed to revisit its infringement findings.
4:54:37 PM PDT
A similar inconsistency exists for the Intercept, for which they'd awarded Apple over $2 million.
4:53:13 PM PDT
The jury appears to have awarded damages for the Galaxy Tab 10.1 LTE infringing

AWilliams87 said,
If the total damage is $1.05 billion and nothing else, this is a win for Samsung.
A win is a win, this is a loss, dude.

AWilliams87 said,
If the total damage is $1.05 billion and nothing else, this is a win for Samsung.

its not that they only pay 1 billion and its over. now Samsung has to license the patents in question,thats if apple will still license them. and the price apple offered Samsung in the past was pretty high($30),even when they were still not fighting. now apple has them by the balls and can demand an even bigger price for license.

I also like all the little users here who think $1billion is going to kill Samsung. What do you think they are, a ****ing corner store?

Not to mention, on appeal that will come down.

Nashy said,
I also like all the little users here who think $1billion is going to kill Samsung. What do you think they are, a ****ing corner store?

Not to mention, on appeal that will come down.

No this will not hurt Samsung as a company, but will definatly hurt their android products. Now they have a bunch of phones they either have to pay Apple to use of come up with a new design. Between Apple and MS taking a good slice of the profit from Android Phones do you really think they are gonna go down that road in a big way. If I were Samsung I would stay clear of android. This will also scare a lot of other Android oems a bit too.

korupt_one said,

No this will not hurt Samsung as a company, but will definatly hurt their android products. Now they have a bunch of phones they either have to pay Apple to use of come up with a new design. Between Apple and MS taking a good slice of the profit from Android Phones do you really think they are gonna go down that road in a big way. If I were Samsung I would stay clear of android. This will also scare a lot of other Android oems a bit too.

By the time all of this is actually finalised, Samsung will have already flooded the market with tonnes of new Android phones.

korupt_one said,

No this will not hurt Samsung as a company, but will definatly hurt their android products. Now they have a bunch of phones they either have to pay Apple to use of come up with a new design. Between Apple and MS taking a good slice of the profit from Android Phones do you really think they are gonna go down that road in a big way. If I were Samsung I would stay clear of android. This will also scare a lot of other Android oems a bit too.

Id love to see WP8 take off!

America's PS patent system is going to ruin the electrical industry thanks to arrogant ***** like Apple doing things like this.

Especially when the courts have tards like this in them.

x-byte said,
Let's patent colors now!

I was talking about the shapes and curves, and when it comes to colours Apple does seem to think it owns black rectangles

MFH said,

So true. It's really tragic that everybody thinks that Jobs was such a great man. Without Woz there would have never been anything Jobs could have sold...

Yes the Lumia is based of the N series but at least they are copying their own phones not someone elses.

I doubt this will hurt Samsung in too much even if they were forced from Phone or tablet market. Samsung makes wide variety of products. This will scare the hell out of other android manufactures.

Melfster said,
I doubt this will hurt Samsung in too much even if they were forced from Phone or tablet market. Samsung makes wide variety of products. This will scare the hell out of other android manufactures.

well if they take a financial loss plus they are crippled in the phone market
and have to do recalls etc that might mean your next Samsung monitor would cost more ?
Makes me nervous because i own a Samsung phone or two and i only buy Samsung Monitors. The 1080p LCD screen i have right now rocks and it was dirt cheap.
If it wasn't cheap i prob would have bought a diff brand..

Deniss said,
Damages owed by Samsung:
* $2.3 billion and counting

Will apple take it in stock?


sorry, cnet misdirected here. it is 1,05 b

DerAusgewanderte said,

free LCD's for the devices for some time

Not only LCDs, considering that Samsung is one of THE main manufacturers of electronics....

Joshie said,

1.05 billion, you mean.

50 million is NOT half of one billion.


I think if people used decimals instead of fractions for their everyday life measurements they might have more of a clue

4:08:11 PM PDT
Samsung's claims against Apple up next

Update from @CNET: Damages owed by Samsung:
* $2.3 billion and counting

4:08:52 PM PDT
'460: literally infirngement for 3GS: no
4:08:46 PM PDT
'893 iPhone 3GS No
4:08:38 PM PDT
'711 iPhone 3GS: No
4:08:31 PM PDT
'711 Patent on iPhone 3G No. '460 on iPhone 3G: no.
4:08:11 PM PDT
Samsung's claims against Apple up next

4:08:02 PM PDT
Transform: $954,060
4:07:51 PM PDT
Replenish: $3,350,256
4:07:40 PM PDT
$53,123,612 for the Mesmerize
4:07:30 PM PDT
Going through the damages for each phone. More than $57 million for the Prevail. Infused 4G: $44,792,974

ManMountain said,
1 billion, 51 million 855 thousand dollars damages

Super heavy, but it should also be noted that Apple originally asked for 2.5 billion in damages. This is far below what they asked for.

MeltedMacaroni said,
And that is what happens to copycats, ladies and gentlemen.

No its what happens when you're not allowed to present evidence to support your cause combined with BS patents and BS judge.

SharpGreen said,

No its what happens when you're not allowed to present evidence to support your cause combined with BS patents and BS judge.

You can't blame Apple for using the Patent system correctly. IF anythings its that that needs overhauling

MeltedMacaroni said,
And that is what happens to copycats, ladies and gentlemen.

in this day and age no one cares. as long as they get what they want..

wv@gt said,

You can blame Apple for abusing the Patent system. IF anythings its that that needs overhauling

Corrected that for you

MeltedMacaroni said,
And that is what happens to copycats, ladies and gentlemen.

I read on Engadget....
Patent number 7,844,915 is for single-finger scrolling and two-finger zooming
Patent number 7,469,381 is for the bounce back that occurs when you scroll beyond the edge of a webpage or document in iOS.

I thought it exists on Windows Phone as well?

popster28 said,
??

Samsung Electronics Co. (SEC), Samsung Electronics America (SEA), and/or Samsung Telecommunications America (STA) via @CNET

pinch to zoom, inertia scrolling,tap to zoom,rubber banding all infringing,bad for all android

slab with rounded corners tossed out

This article went up before the announcement had been finished -.^ Patent system needs to be completely abolished, there's still copyright protection for innovations.

bhast2 said,
Samsung is going to be paying alot of money to apple it looks like

yup, i feel bad for them. but oh well, a verdict is a verdict.

was not expecting to be so black/white ...

amazing how they are 100% infringing patents ...
out of pure dislike towards this verdict I would buy an android phone ...

zeta_immersion said,
was not expecting to be so black/white ...

amazing how they are 100% infringing patents ...
out of pure dislike towards this verdict I would buy an android phone ...


What will punishing yourself with a poorly designed phone will achieve?

a0me said,

What will punishing yourself with a poorly designed phone will achieve?

design over function ... really, so if it looks good it must be good?! ... the wife's i4 compared with mine SG2 ... I would take my crappy designed SG2 any time .. why? ... because it works best for me. For her i4 is good, maybe windows phone might be better, I do not know ... but poorly designed Sammy ... highly subjective

zeta_immersion said,

design over function ... really, so if it looks good it must be good?! ... the wife's i4 compared with mine SG2 ... I would take my crappy designed SG2 any time .. why? ... because it works best for me. For her i4 is good, maybe windows phone might be better, I do not know ... but poorly designed Sammy ... highly subjective


You're confusing design with styling, with the "look" of a product. Design is functionality driven.
And when I say that something is poorly designed, I'm not talking about how that product looks, but how it works (or how it fails to do so).
Here's for you, all in the first 30" of the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPfJQmpg5zk

jorel009 said,
rdf field still alive and well i see....with does sec and sta stand for?

SEC = Samsung Electronics Corp. STA = Samsung Telecom America.

Tartan said,
One could theorize the jury got some backhanders.

Wouldn't surprise me seeing as Apple bribed, sorry payed, "experts" to say exactly what they wanted them to.

Not looking good for Samsung. I wonder though if this trial will begin talks of a patent system overhaul for some of these software patents

bhast2 said,
yeah this is bad android is going to go down hill now

Considering all (or rather most) of this trial centered around Samsung specific things I doubt it.

bhast2 said,
yeah this is bad android is going to go down hill now

Unfortunately, this trial focused on Samsung having slavishly copied the design of Apple products, not on specific Android functionality.

Aletheia said,
Hmmm.... Appeal is in order???

Yes, this case was a farce. The judge not allowing Samsung evidence that proved Apple's products are just copies of other companies' ideas for one. Time to get rid of this iJudge and start the real trial.

vcfan said,
nail in the coffin for android imo

Meanwhile back in the real world Android's market share will carry on increasing / flat-lining for years to come...

vcfan said,
nail in the coffin for android imo

it has massive ramifications to all android manufacturers IMO, as the patents apply to all. They also apply to windows phone BUT MS and Apple have a patent agreement in place, with a stipulation not to visually copy (UI, ux etc.).

So we'll see, but I do at the moment agree that this doesn't bode well for google, but will be a good thing for Apple and MS.

3:43:57 PM PDT
For SEA: Yes on Galaxy Tab 10.1
3:43:51 PM PDT
No on Ace Intercept and Replenish
3:43:45 PM PDT
For SEC Captivate, continuum, droid charge, fascinate, Galaxy Prevail, Galaxy S 4G, Galaxy S II, i9100, Galaxy s 2 Tmobile, Tab, Tab 10.1, Gem, Indulge, Infuse, Nexus S 4G, all yes
3:42:58 PM PDT
Question Two. Claim 8 of 915 patent
3:42:41 PM PDT
Continuum, Droid Charge, Exhibit 4G, Galasy Ace, Prevail, S 4G, S II, Galaxy Tab, The Gem, Indulge, Infuse 4G, Mesmerie, Nexus S 4G, Replenish and Vibrant
3:42:07 PM PDT
STA yes for Captivate
3:42:03 PM PDT
for SEA, Galaxy Tab Wifi
3:41:43 PM PDT
Answer for all devices is YES
3:41:39 PM PDT
For each of the following products did Samsung (SEC, SEA, STA) infringe claim 19 of /301 patent
3:41:07 PM PDT

I was hoping for a Samsung victory, alas I am disappointed.

Tech related patents are out of control and completely absurd.

Nimec said,
I was hoping for a Samsung victory, alas I am disappointed.

Tech related patents are out of control and completely absurd.


After all Samsung's blatant copying and all the iPhone knockoffs they've released? Seriously?

a0me said,

After all Samsung's blatant copying and all the iPhone knockoffs they've released? Seriously?

Oh and I suppose Apple are a shining example of a company who doesn't rip off ideas from others then?
How about the Notifications in iOS 5 and higher, completely ripped off of both Android and Windows Phone.

"Good artists copy, great artists steal", see if you can guess which one Apple is!!!!

#boycottapple

Enron said,
Judge Koh has ordered both companies to license Windows Phone 8 for all of their future devices.

So basically both companies sentenced to failure ?

the fact that they haven't asked a single question is either a good thing for apple, or a good thing for Samsung, LOL.

I hate apple with a passion,but I like Samsung, but Samsung is going down by way of android,this is what this is about.

I think they should try the South Korean approach, which was to ban products from both companies. That way they both lose out and might be more reluctant to abuse the legal system in the future.

theyarecomingforyou said,
I think they should try the South Korean approach, which was to ban products from both companies. That way they both lose out and might be more reluctant to abuse the legal system in the future.

They were both banned because they were both found to be infringing on each other's patents. Nothing else.

SharpGreen said,

They were both banned because they were both found to be infringing on each other's patents. Nothing else.

And that isn't the case here... why? I don't see the point you're trying to make.

theyarecomingforyou said,

And that isn't the case here... why? I don't see the point you're trying to make.


I was just clarifying. It seemed to me that you were saying one was infringing the other so both were banned. I guess it was just my misunderstanding.

"To recap, this jury hasn't asked a single question since Wednesday. It hasn't asked for clarification on a single element of jury instructions, it hasn't asked to have any testimony re-read.... nothing."

...thats odd eh?

It's a loss for Samsung... but is this a win for Windows Phone? I mean, at least they have zero such disputes with Apple.

techbeck said,

Thats the site I am watching. Got a feeling it isnt going to be good for Samsung...but we shall see.


Well, such a quick verdict can really go either way.

@Leo said,

Well, such a quick verdict can really go either way.

Which makes me think the Jury had a pretty clear idea who was at fault and who wasnt.

Was there even any doubt with Lucy Koh being the judge?

No doubt this will be appealed and tossed out of court as it should have been first time.

dvb2000 said,
Was there even any doubt with Lucy Koh being the judge?

No doubt this will be appealed and tossed out of court as it should have been first time.

hopefully googles lawsuit goes better. Apple and their inferior and crappy products needs to be crushed.

dvb2000 said,
Was there even any doubt with Lucy Koh being the judge?

I find the "honorable" in front of her name HIGHLY ironic...

The results are so strongly pro-Apple that it seems that either Samsung's leaders are a bunch of fools (unlikely) or the jury was a bunch of ordinary pro-apple people who didn't really give Samsung's claims fair consideration. Isn't the trial court a dozen or so miles from Apple's campus? And the jury are members of that community. My interpretation is compatible with the faster than expected completion of the verdict by this jury.

Thrawn said,
The results are so strongly pro-Apple that it seems that either Samsung's leaders are a bunch of fools (unlikely) or the jury was a bunch of ordinary pro-apple people who didn't really give Samsung's claims fair consideration. Isn't the trial court a dozen or so miles from Apple's campus? And the jury are members of that community. My interpretation is compatible with the faster than expected completion of the verdict by this jury.

Thats the thing. Apple only has a strong market in North America, because the average american is too dumb to realize what a crappy device it is. Its also so recognized as part of the 'culture' that a jury is guaranteed to be biased. With the dishonorable judge who is strongly apple favored that doesnt help as well. Overall, someone needs to take down apple. Theyre not officially a monopoly.

dvb2000 said,
Was there even any doubt with Lucy Koh being the judge?

No doubt this will be appealed and tossed out of court as it should have been first time.

You know you do have to wonder. I mean I first thought the court fight would be fair and the outcome the "rightful" one but then you see comments like this from the verdict:

"The jury appears to have awarded damages for the Galaxy Tab 10.1 LTE infringing

Beyond Godlike said,

hopefully googles lawsuit goes better. Apple and their inferior and crappy products needs to be crushed.

I have an iPhone 4 and Galaxy S3 here with me... And I can assure you... The only thing the S3 has on the iPhone is size of screen. That's all. Nothing else about it is 'superior' to the end user. It is a lovely phone... But not as high quality as an iphone4 ... Sorry

Spirit Dave said,

I have an iPhone 4 and Galaxy S3 here with me... And I can assure you... The only thing the S3 has on the iPhone is size of screen. That's all. Nothing else about it is 'superior' to the end user. It is a lovely phone... But not as high quality as an iphone4 ... Sorry


I don't know, everyone I know who has played with my S3 thinks that it's way better than the iPhone4. And one objective way the S3 is better: built-in NFC.

dvb2000 said,
Was there even any doubt with Lucy Koh being the judge?

No doubt this will be appealed and tossed out of court as it should have been first time.


Exactly.

Spirit Dave said,

I have an iPhone 4 and Galaxy S3 here with me... And I can assure you... The only thing the S3 has on the iPhone is size of screen. That's all. Nothing else about it is 'superior' to the end user. It is a lovely phone... But not as high quality as an iphone4 ... Sorry


Thanks for telling it like it is. Never understood the jealousy towards the iPhone and probably never will.

a0me said,

Thanks for telling it like it is. Never understood the jealousy towards the iPhone and probably never will.

Theres no jealousy. Ive used both platforms as well. Simple things like sharing links takes far less screen taps on an android device than an iPhone. iPhone users just have no idea what theyre missing. Im not a brand loyalist, and i hope Samsung ditches android and goes WP8 all the way, just cause i like changing things up. Either way, the iPhone is nothing special, techies know it, the average dumb american doesnt.

Thrawn said,
The results are so strongly pro-Apple that it seems that either Samsung's leaders are a bunch of fools (unlikely) or the jury was a bunch of ordinary pro-apple people who didn't really give Samsung's claims fair consideration. Isn't the trial court a dozen or so miles from Apple's campus? And the jury are members of that community. My interpretation is compatible with the faster than expected completion of the verdict by this jury.

Unlike the jury, none of us are privy to the details of the court case. Therefore it is not possible make a claim one way or the other about the merits of this verdict. Now I'm not supporting Apple, but just saying-- maybe Samsung actually did knowingly and willingly infringe Apple's patents in the production of their products? And maybe solid evidence supporting that was presented in the courtroom?
But I do agree that the damages seem excessive.

Spirit Dave said,

I have an iPhone 4 and Galaxy S3 here with me... And I can assure you... The only thing the S3 has on the iPhone is size of screen. That's all. Nothing else about it is 'superior' to the end user. It is a lovely phone... But not as high quality as an iphone4 ... Sorry

I also do not understand the jealousy and spite of Apple by people here. I am a very happy and loyal Android user (although use Apple PC's for computer work and own a MacBook) but I do not deny the craftsmanship of the iPhones hardware, which is top notch and also iOS is very polished and slick.

Since I am an IT guy my circle of friends and family always ask me to recommend phones, among other tech gear, and I always recommend iPhone unless they are somewhat skilled and enthusiastic about playing with software, then I recommend Android.

But iPhone vs Galaxy line, hardware wise its iPhone by a mile, I've never like Samsung mobile products (loyal HTC user) . They are bland and feel cheap.

Beyond Godlike said,
Either way, the iPhone is nothing special, techies know it, the average dumb american doesnt.

And there you've just shown your US centric view and at the same time insulted the millions of smart people not living in the US and using an iPhone.

BTW, out of all Android phones I used to like the HTC models better because they (some?) were made of metal and didn't have a whole bunch of ports on every corners (HTC wireless streaming to your TV, like on iOS, beats having to plug your phone into your TV).
I still can't get over the clunkiness of the UI, the f##inck 3 buttons at the bottom and the PITA of syncing your phone with anything else.

Beyond Godlike said,
Simple things like sharing links takes far less screen taps on an android device than an iPhone.

How can it take less screen taps than just one? I use both Safari and Google Chrome on my iOS devices (mostly the latter) and it takes me exactly one tap to share it via email, Twitter or whatever. Are Android phones mind-controlled now, with some Google made uber-algorithm that choose and send links for you, at random?

Beyond Godlike said,

Thats the thing. Apple only has a strong market in North America, because the average american is too dumb to realize what a crappy device it is. Its also so recognized as part of the 'culture' that a jury is guaranteed to be biased. With the dishonorable judge who is strongly apple favored that doesnt help as well. Overall, someone needs to take down apple. Theyre not officially a monopoly.


It's not necessary to be cultural bias. It's quite possible that Apple just paid off a lot to jury and judge.

Thrawn said,
The results are so strongly pro-Apple that it seems that either Samsung's leaders are a bunch of fools (unlikely) or the jury was a bunch of ordinary pro-apple people who didn't really give Samsung's claims fair consideration. Isn't the trial court a dozen or so miles from Apple's campus? And the jury are members of that community. My interpretation is compatible with the faster than expected completion of the verdict by this jury.

It has already come out today that the jury has made some serious errors when awarding damages since those damages were based on patents they said weren't infringed on. Plus, some are already questioning whether it is possible to objectively vote on the over 700 questions that they jury had to answer for this verdict. That last one is a bit of nitpicking, but still one has to wonder if they didn't rush through it to get this done before the weekend.

Additionally, I have to say too that most people (including family members) that i who have iPhone/iPads who have been shocked at how well Android devices work compared to their stuff. Many have even said that is it as good or better than their stuff. Then you throw the price difference in, and well...

Beyond Godlike said,

hopefully googles lawsuit goes better. Apple and their inferior and crappy products needs to be crushed.


If you think their products are not good enough for you, then simply don't buy them no need do bitch on the internet like an un-****ed chick.

Thrawn said,
The results are so strongly pro-Apple that it seems that either Samsung's leaders are a bunch of fools (unlikely) or the jury was a bunch of ordinary pro-apple people who didn't really give Samsung's claims fair consideration. Isn't the trial court a dozen or so miles from Apple's campus? And the jury are members of that community. My interpretation is compatible with the faster than expected completion of the verdict by this jury.

Have you used a windows based smartphone? do you find it based on iOS? have you used and Android based phone? do you find the software based on iOS?
have you read the internal memos from Samsung clearly stating, "make it more like the iphone"?
Did you see the photos of before and after the iPhone from the Samsung line of production for phones and tablets? If Google and MS can come out with originals ideas regarding not only software but also hardware why can't Samsung?

I have an iPod touch, I use a win8 PC and have an Android cell phone, cause that's the combo that works for me, I don't know about you, but stating that experts in a field are biased requires for you to be either a better expert on that field and/or that you have proof of that, your comment is more like I think or I believe and that should only be used in a religious kind of debate about whose made up god is more powerful.

Do not buy products that you don't like, do not think that an enterprise exist for making anything more than money out of you. Cause clearly you don't get that.