Apple: We are trying to make iOS 6 Maps "even better"

It's not been a good first 24 hours for Apple's replacement for Google Maps as iOS 6 dumped the polished maps product in favor of Apple's own map app. Since then, there's been a ton of backlash against Apple, with users of iOS 6 complaining of incorrect data and, even worse, distorted images in the photo maps.

Apple has since sent out an official comment, but stops short of apologizing for the warped images and data mistakes found in iOS 6 Maps. The statement, sent to AllThingsD.com, says:

We are excited to offer this service with innovative new features like Flyover, turn by turn navigation, and Siri integration. We launched this new map service knowing it is a major initiative and that we are just getting started with it. Maps is a cloud-based solution and the more people use it, the better it will get. We appreciate all of the customer feedback and are working hard to make the customer experience even better.

Although we have no doubt that the Maps app in iOS 6 will get better, this is certainly a black eye on Apple. The app was clearly rushed out before it could be tested extensively. Microsoft does have a version of Bing Maps available to download for iOS devices but it has not been updated in several months. There's no word when Google will release a stand alone iOS 6 map app.

Source: AllThingsD.com | Image via The Amazing iOS 6 Maps

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Euse m being very frank. If Microsoft with its potential 1.3B users would have had a POS, poorly tested, rushed piece of software placed into Windows and it did't work properly because basically the software wasnt even finished, the frikkin media would have been tap dancing all over it, liek a frikkin toothache. But Apple gets to do it to you more tha once. First with Siri releasing a freshing purchase UI, which they stolen from the chinese, and bought from another company to rush to market ti make the 4S seem betetr tahn the 4, when it simply wasn't. THen they go and drop Google Maps for an unfisnished, poor constructed, lousy POS crap mapping software that is riddled with bugs and shortcomings.

Yet the iPhone is nearly the most expensive device sold on the market. Fr and especially for the fanbois, I though Apple's (&^% just works? With all the money you all spend year after year, waiting a full year for a device, how is it their device have more problems than device that get released every 3 months? How is it you wait a whole year and the first device you buy is riddled with so mnay problems?

You waited a year for that? Side by side test show that even with Siri being a year old, it was less accurate in giving information vs Samsung's S-Voice. The mapping software is pucking. How the hell do you drop a pin in a location that is several yards away from the target location?

As in the movie X-Men where Magneto says "let the pawns go first", that is exactly what all you are wen you go rushing out to buy a device that si basically released to you unfinished. Software is never ever really complete as it is always updated on a constant basis. But for it to come fresh out the box with bugs that seem and should ahve been found during testing is unaccepatable for a device of this calipar.

When are you sheep going to stand up? Dn;t you see a trnad here? Remember back in the 80's when Ford could brag that out of the top 10 cars sold in American, 5 were Ford's and they were of top quality compared to Honda and Toyota? Why is it when production goes up, quality goes to ^%$#? Why? Is this the best they can give you for all that cheap labor?

Would Aple have released such a crappy device if they had paid workers $11hr to make it or if they were union> I doubt it. Apple doesn't give a crap about you. Wiseup. Aple is not better than Google.

In 6 years Apple has given you 2 phones, 3 iPhon2G's and 3 iPhone 4's. All only marginally better than the first. Very little to know cosmetic changes, no innovation in software or hardware.

Look at the new connector. What the heck wouldI pay $29 for the thing when it doesn't even work? It doesn;t work on many of the 350M docks or accessories that use the orginal 30pin connector. How the heck ae they charging for a adapter that doesn't even work and no one s complaining about iy?

Oh but Gof forbidden if it was Microsoft or Google, or Samsung or Motorola; you all would be crying like a bunch of lost children. I cant belive how you all let Apple get away with this crap. Yet they have time to spend suing the crap out of competitors that basically are making better stuff. They tried that crapwith Microsoft. As with Samsung they were the best of friends, until their friend decided to compete against you. Somehow that makes you an enemy?

The reason Apple now doesn't give a crap, is because they know you loser will go buy it anyway. If you stop buying that worthless oevrprioced POS you'd force them to do better or force them out of the market. How much longer are they going to use that tired old UI. How long before they actually redesign the deice and make it look better?

If automaker did what Apple is doing, they'd go out of business because no one would buy their crap. Wy do you all keep doing it? Can't you think outside the box, are you really all that brainwashed into not knowing or doing better?

I personally sold my 4S 6 months after I got it, it was not worth the move from the 4 just to get wjhat Ineeded whcih was 64GB of space. To small, to outdate. You know that a device sucks when its outdate nefore its hits the shelf. I can't believe retarded people will consistantly take Apple's milking of your pocketbook. The GS3 is so great that its better than this iPhone and the next one coming.
Apple thinks by year end they are going to sell 50M with 70M selling overall. Sorry Ijust dont see it. That is an aweful lot of people wasting money on a device that sint even advanced overt the previous model. aking it faster is called "natural progression". You expect it to gt fster.

Compare the Galaxy S, S2 and S3. Not only did each one get faster with natiral progression, they als got bigger, they introduced better features and capabilities over the previous model. Not doing 1 or 2 new things, doing a list of new things. New look, new style, new design, thinner, lighter, bigger, faster, more intelligent, more capable...more more more all for the same low price. For $650 cash a 16GB GS3 will do more than a $650 iPhone 5. And for $55.00 I can add 64GB of more storage while Apl;e charge $100 for it and you're lock at 64GB when I can add as much as I want.

All that new hardware is going towaste. No real features making use of the power. You ont need that much power for 3D maps. Yu can get that on device with 1GHZ processors. You dont need all that power to play Angry Birds.

Forget iOS it pOS. IT is a lack luster upgarde as is the hardware. That si why they go good together. If Apple was to ever license iOS to any phone maker, they woudl all run Apple out of the market in less than one year guaranteed. Appel has no real competition because they are the only users of iOS and OS X and that is why they dont give you anything really new. Even Microsoft because they dont have a real competitor to Windows, dont do much innovation. These guys are just getting to old for thsis crap. Please do betetr or get lost.

Typical apple. the word "even better" is not in the context. you should say: we are working hard to make this pile of trash more tolerable.

Taking on a mapping service is a huge undertaking. Google Maps and Street View and plenty of issues at launch. It is almost as if though all iOS 6 users are beta testers for the mapping service. Sure everyone would like it to be perfect at launch because its Apple, but can they really test every single address and 3d map area before launching.

This is why apple sux, there so ****ing arrogant they think they can dump a **** uncompleted app and use that to advertise the iphone 5 when it doesnt bloody work then not even apologise for the turd theyve just dropped into ppls laps. They really need to be taken down a peg or 2 cus they think they can do whatever they want and get any with whatever they want. _|_ F U apple

Let's try to decipher the typical marketing talk:

"We are excited to offer this service
-> an exciting company driven by passion
with innovative new features like Flyover, turn by turn navigation, and Siri integration.
-> doesn't matter how trite something is - always say it's innovative - most people don't know it isn't
We launched this new map service knowing it is a major initiative and that we are just getting started with it.
-> We knew it was broken and not ready for prime time
Maps is a cloud-based solution and the more people use it, the better it will get.
-> We expect that you help us fix it
We appreciate all of the customer feedback
-> Boilerplate - doesn't mean much - only when they want to give that impression
and are working hard to make the customer experience even better.
-> Another template statement; also per the play book never say 'fix a problem', always 'make it even better'

Apple should of never released their own map program...at least, not in its current form. It is 100 percent crap and for a company like Apple with things "just work", this is not good. They should of kept Google, or worked with Google to create a separate app, and did more work on their own program before ditching Google. Granted Google Maps wasnt the way it is now when it started, but it still was much better than this.

Boy, when it comes to Apple people sure like to rip them to shreds. iOS 6 is great and Maps needs to be fixed. Apple is in lock down fixing it. Calm down.

You might want to put some quotation marks around what Apple actually said. I very much doubt that Apple confessed to having a black eye or rushing out an application.

The arrogance of Apple is staggering. Not only do they not acknowledge their obviously flawed product and its greedy origins, they promote it in the very first sentence of their official statement, then presume to infer that the user experience is positive when people are being sent miles away from their destinations, among other things. I long for the day I no longer have to be aggravated by the ludicrous statements of Apple and the iCult.

First the underwhelming iphone 5 launch.

And now a comical iOS update.

oh apple...hope you enjoyed your zenith...it's long way down now!

Apple's PR was wrong:

"We're trying to make maps not THAT sh1tty".

If Jobs was there he'd fire the whole ios6 maps team.

lexp said,
If Jobs was there he'd fire the whole ios6 maps team.

And then he'd tell Apple users that anywhere that their app won't take them wasn't worth going to anyway.

aviator189 said,
Lol.... I honestly don't know why they rushed it out. I mean, they did test it, right??

It was better to give Google the Middle Finger. Apple is not thinking of the end users.

Now I know the maps are crap, but I still think people are bitching to bitch.

Remember antenna gate? How everyones phone was dropping calls, apple gave everyone free bumpers and suddenly no more dropped calls? Cause we all know they didn't change shit on the phones end, other than changing the bar from not going down as fast.

Does suck, that one day you have working maps in ios5, you see an update, and bam, you're forced to use their inferior maps.

Ah I see what you're saying. You think Apple might give is all a free atlas?

Timan said,
Now I know the maps are crap, but I still think people are bitching to bitch.

Remember antenna gate? How everyones phone was dropping calls, apple gave everyone free bumpers and suddenly no more dropped calls? Cause we all know they didn't change **** on the phones end, other than changing the bar from not going down as fast.

Does suck, that one day you have working maps in ios5, you see an update, and bam, you're forced to use their inferior maps.


Timan said,
Now I know the maps are crap, but I still think people are bitching to bitch.

Maps are one of the most basic and most frequently used functionality on a smartphone. Their new app doesn't work even at the most basic level (maps are grossly inaccurate).
People who weren't using the map functionality before (I guess some people never leave their house) may not feel concerned, but taking away a perfectly functioning app and replacing it with a piece of sh#t tends to **** off a lot of people.

a0me said,

Maps are one of the most basic and most frequently used functionality on a smartphone. Their new app doesn't work even at the most basic level (maps are grossly inaccurate).
People who weren't using the map functionality before (I guess some people never leave their house) may not feel concerned, but taking away a perfectly functioning app and replacing it with a piece of sh#t tends to **** off a lot of people.

Apple really needed to do the Google thing and add a beta tag to the iOS6 maps app, at least then people would know that it's not perfect.... well when it shows an entire UK city centre as a hospital I think the beta tag is needed.

A 6 year old kid could probably make them 'even better'.
They need to get better than Google Maps. Then we'll care.

The new maps app is just amazing, it's lighter then ever before,

Demo :

Let me take my 4s and search for "this"....and boom, it doesn't even show up anymore, the streets are fewer so you don't get lost on that unimportant small streets, even the names of streets and places don't show up anymore, so you don't get confused. It's the best mapping service yet.

Comon guys, its the new Apple innovation, don't you see it? Its the 'DistortedRealityPods'.

More seriously, i am now proud of using Nokia Drive on my Nokia Lumia 900 Windows Phone.

Just getting started is an understatement. The starting point is very low. Not even Google maps or Microsoft maps was this bad when first launched. Basically Apple is treating its users as Beta testers. They have really dropped the ball and Apple lovers will love them anyway.

I'm just not getting all of these problems where I'm at. The on,y thing that irks me is that satellite images are a little grainier, and businesses don't show up as much as they should (yet they're there if I do a search for them).

THolman said,
I'm just not getting all of these problems where I'm at. The on,y thing that irks me is that satellite images are a little grainier, and businesses don't show up as much as they should (yet they're there if I do a search for them).

Try zooming in deep and nothing shows. At least Google Maps didn't do that.

WalterEgo404 said,

Try zooming in deep and nothing shows. At least Google Maps didn't do that.

There's nothing around where I live, so it's quite appropriate

With Siri Apple, you could get away with basic functionality and calling it "beta." However with Maps, you can't pull this again. Either be on par or beat the competition, or suffer the backlash.

watchthisspace said,
With Siri Apple, you could get away with basic functionality and calling it "beta." However with Maps, you can't pull this again. Either be on par or beat the competition, or suffer the backlash.


Funny how other companies do this constantly.
Releasing beta products, often not even calling them beta, but Apple seems to be somehow special.

I do see that Apple usually often brings features rather late to the table as they polish whilst others already implement them and promote them, however, you go ahead and try to find partners for mapping services on a global scale - NOT Google - and try to negotiate sane pricing for that, whilst keeping in mind that companies like TomTom will not suffer from such integration, at the same time offering turn-by-turn and hence, making the TomTom app in a way less desirable.

So I ask you: which mapping service should they use (except Google obviously)?
They use more than one even and to be frank: just go get Google Maps once it's out and enjoy the competition.

In the end, all of them (Google, Apple and Bing) provide you with free mapping apps and one company added to the game just keeps going faster, so in the end we all profit.

Apple Maps might suck at the moment, but it seemingly urged Google to step it up in some areas in mapping.

GS:mac

Glassed Silver said,

Funny how other companies do this constantly.
Releasing beta products, often not even calling them beta, but Apple seems to be somehow special.

Funny how all of who? Google? I'm pretty sure every Google product I've ever used was free. I certainly have different expectations with free and premium.

Glassed Silver said,

In the end, all of them (Google, Apple and Bing) provide you with free mapping apps and one company added to the game just keeps going faster, so in the end we all profit.
GS:mac

Nobody will benefit from Apple's maps offering because it's so far behind the competition and doesn't add anything new or useful. It's just a less than basic offering that's too buggy to be reliable.

It should never have been released in its current state and Apple's response (let the users QA the product for us) is pretty dismissive. You're providing lots of excuses for Apple but none of them really add up.

Apple really have no excuse for releasing such a poor maps app and expecting their users to put up with it.

Glassed Silver said,

Funny how other companies do this constantly.
Releasing beta products, often not even calling them beta, but Apple seems to be somehow special.

Funny how the iFans never have a problem with critizing other companiens for unpolished products but now it's all 'just wait; it gets better; what did you expect; stop blaming Apple'. Also I can't remember a situation like this where something that was used by many people worked perfectly fine but then was replaced in a new and finished flagship product by a much worse solution that's not even Beta-quality. No, this is special.

thornz0 said,

Funny how all of who? Google? I'm pretty sure every Google product I've ever used was free. I certainly have different expectations with free and premium.


Its not free, you just pay for it in a different way then money.

calimike said,
Blame on TomTom ;/

NO! Blame it on Apple. They should have waited another year before implementing it. Google Maps worked just fine all this time. If you are going to pull it, make sure it is at least comparable.

As it stands, it is missing Street View, Good maps, and Transit Nav.

WalterEgo404 said,

NO! Blame it on Apple. They should have waited another year before implementing it. Google Maps worked just fine all this time. If you are going to pull it, make sure it is at least comparable.

As it stands, it is missing Street View, Good maps, and Transit Nav.

Agreed 100%

To put things into perspective (mine at least):

If people seriously think that pulling off a mapping service is simple, think again.
If people really think Google Maps is excellent, think again, it too has many flaws, especially outside the US.
Transit? Never seen much going for it on the iOS App so far for my city, hence I've always used dedicated apps that even work nation-wide for all of Germany - all bus stops (I guess, so far, I found everyone I saw around me - doing lots of trips)
If people really think that Apple should have worked on this a little longer, definitely agree here that it could have used at least another year, problem is: contracts don't work that way.
Apple had contracts with Google to use their service, and you probably can't convince Google in helping you build a better competing product by just giving a little more time. It's either licensing Google Maps for another say 5 years or not at all. Shipping iOS 6 without Maps, how does that sound?

Google will release their dedicated app either way and this will help competition speed up.
Even if Apple prematurely released their Maps solution, they definitely have done everyone a favor at least as soon as the Google Maps app can be downloaded.

PS: There's always Bing.

GS:mac

Glassed Silver said,
To put things into perspective (mine at least):

If people seriously think that pulling off a mapping service is simple, think again.
If people really think Google Maps is excellent, think again, it too has many flaws, especially outside the US.
Transit? Never seen much going for it on the iOS App so far for my city, hence I've always used dedicated apps that even work nation-wide for all of Germany - all bus stops (I guess, so far, I found everyone I saw around me - doing lots of trips)
If people really think that Apple should have worked on this a little longer, definitely agree here that it could have used at least another year, problem is: contracts don't work that way.
Apple had contracts with Google to use their service, and you probably can't convince Google in helping you build a better competing product by just giving a little more time. It's either licensing Google Maps for another say 5 years or not at all. Shipping iOS 6 without Maps, how does that sound?

Google will release their dedicated app either way and this will help competition speed up.
Even if Apple prematurely released their Maps solution, they definitely have done everyone a favor at least as soon as the Google Maps app can be downloaded.

PS: There's always Bing.

GS:mac

For a first release, I personally think that we could give them some time. It is not perfect, but not that bad. Google Maps improved year over year to become what it is now. So I would just give Apple a little bit of credit, and some more time.

einsteinbqat said,

For a first release, I personally think that we could give them some time. It is not perfect, but not that bad. Google Maps improved year over year to become what it is now. So I would just give Apple a little bit of credit, and some more time.


This.

Unfortunately, not everything is directly in their hands, as some map materials are just WAY out of date, but sometimes that happens with Google, too.

Actually, in a perfect world, cities (or States) would supply mapping services directly, and those would update ASAP...
Ugh...

GS:mac

einsteinbqat said,

For a first release, I personally think that we could give them some time. It is not perfect, but not that bad. Google Maps improved year over year to become what it is now. So I would just give Apple a little bit of credit, and some more time.


5 years ago Google Maps had accurate maps and was able to find landmarks instantly.
Apple Maps today fails at both of these basic tasks.

Glassed Silver said,
To put things into perspective (mine at least):

If people seriously think that pulling off a mapping service is simple, think again.
If people really think Google Maps is excellent, think again, it too has many flaws, especially outside the US.
Transit? Never seen much going for it on the iOS App so far for my city, hence I've always used dedicated apps that even work nation-wide for all of Germany - all bus stops (I guess, so far, I found everyone I saw around me - doing lots of trips)
If people really think that Apple should have worked on this a little longer, definitely agree here that it could have used at least another year, problem is: contracts don't work that way.
Apple had contracts with Google to use their service, and you probably can't convince Google in helping you build a better competing product by just giving a little more time. It's either licensing Google Maps for another say 5 years or not at all. Shipping iOS 6 without Maps, how does that sound?

Google will release their dedicated app either way and this will help competition speed up.
Even if Apple prematurely released their Maps solution, they definitely have done everyone a favor at least as soon as the Google Maps app can be downloaded.

PS: There's always Bing.

GS:mac

This is the problem with the monstrosity that is Apple. They fail - horribly - in an attempt to protect their already outrageous profit margins and then an army of iTards chimes in with "everyone makes mistakes!" and "x, y and z are flawed too!". iTards that are incapable of acknowledging they have bought into a cult and don't have the personal integrity to cut their losses. In other words, you're all ****ing scientologists and Steve Jobs is your L. Ron Hubbard. You'll keep buying iCrap with your last dimes, even when you have a golden opportunity to drop it vis a vis this new connector for a universal standard, you say to yourself you don't want to re-buy all the apps you've got, even when buying the latest iClone will cost you more than buying another phone and the apps from the associated market.

And let's be honest about something here, the people that Apple was marketing to back when it was "Hi, I'm a mac. Hi, I'm a PC." were retards that would rather pay a thousand dollar plus premium for something that "just works" and "never gets viruses" rather than spend a bit of time trying to understand how computers ACTUALLY WORK and reap the benefits of being an intermediate user as opposed to someone that double-clicks links. That is the legacy of Apple. A company that markets to idiots that don't understand how to see through marketing. A company that knows people will drool over how a computer looks rather than examine the parts inside; you know, the stuff that actually matters.

Funny how you claim Google maps is so flawed yet don't provide any examples of them directing people miles away from their intended destination. Examples please.

Slayer:Linux (bitch)

Glassed Silver said,
To put things into perspective (mine at least):

If people really think Google Maps is excellent, think again, it too has many flaws, especially outside the US.

Especially out of the US? I assume you have extensive experience with it outside of the US then? Or is that extensive experience in the US? It's not both, you can't use it that often in both places to be such a pro, and given you provide no examples and no references you're either making things up or blowing here-say. What I can say, is that Google Maps has worked flawlessly for my navigation and general wayfinding.

einsteinbqat said,

For a first release, I personally think that we could give them some time. It is not perfect, but not that bad. Google Maps improved year over year to become what it is now. So I would just give Apple a little bit of credit, and some more time.

You know that Metro stuff in Win8 that some people are complaining about? Well Microsoft tried really, really hard, guys. And it is a V1 feature, so we just need to give them some time to make it better. It is not perfect, but just give them a little time. It will improve version over version and eventually make every one happy. So I would just give Microsoft a little bit of credit for trying something new, and some more time.

Maybe we should start handing out trophies for participating, too. I mean, Apple maps may not be good now, but they deserve it. You're Good Enough, You're Smart Enough, and Doggone It, People Like You.

Slayer said,

This is the problem with the monstrosity that is Apple. They fail - horribly - in an attempt to protect their already outrageous profit margins and then an army of iTards chimes in with "everyone makes mistakes!" and "x, y and z are flawed too!". iTards that are incapable of acknowledging they have bought into a cult and don't have the personal integrity to cut their losses. In other words, you're all ****ing scientologists and Steve Jobs is your L. Ron Hubbard. You'll keep buying iCrap with your last dimes, even when you have a golden opportunity to drop it vis a vis this new connector for a universal standard, you say to yourself you don't want to re-buy all the apps you've got, even when buying the latest iClone will cost you more than buying another phone and the apps from the associated market.

And let's be honest about something here, the people that Apple was marketing to back when it was "Hi, I'm a mac. Hi, I'm a PC." were retards that would rather pay a thousand dollar plus premium for something that "just works" and "never gets viruses" rather than spend a bit of time trying to understand how computers ACTUALLY WORK and reap the benefits of being an intermediate user as opposed to someone that double-clicks links. That is the legacy of Apple. A company that markets to idiots that don't understand how to see through marketing. A company that knows people will drool over how a computer looks rather than examine the parts inside; you know, the stuff that actually matters.

Funny how you claim Google maps is so flawed yet don't provide any examples of them directing people miles away from their intended destination. Examples please.

Slayer:Linux (bitch)


First off I'll say that I'm extremely p#ssed at Apple for taking away Google Maps and releasing the worst Maps app I've ever seen in its place. Maps is now such a basic feature in a smartphone that I'm considering switching to a WP or an Android phone, for the simple reason that I expect stuff that I buy to work.

Having said that, I don't see what you're trying to achieve with this uninformed knee-jerk rants about iSheep or whatever. You have the right to like whatever hardware/device you use over Apple products, but you obviously don't know what you're talking about, confusing design with style/looks, ranting about premium, anti-virus and double-clicks, and ending with the usual hardware-component obsessed non-sense ("look this CPU has more GHz!": pro tip, it doesn't matter in real-life usage).

Glassed Silver said,
To put things into perspective (mine at least):

If people seriously think that pulling off a mapping service is simple, think again.
If people really think Google Maps is excellent, think again, it too has many flaws, especially outside the US.
Transit? Never seen much going for it on the iOS App so far for my city, hence I've always used dedicated apps that even work nation-wide for all of Germany - all bus stops (I guess, so far, I found everyone I saw around me - doing lots of trips)
If people really think that Apple should have worked on this a little longer, definitely agree here that it could have used at least another year, problem is: contracts don't work that way.
Apple had contracts with Google to use their service, and you probably can't convince Google in helping you build a better competing product by just giving a little more time. It's either licensing Google Maps for another say 5 years or not at all. Shipping iOS 6 without Maps, how does that sound?

Google will release their dedicated app either way and this will help competition speed up.
Even if Apple prematurely released their Maps solution, they definitely have done everyone a favor at least as soon as the Google Maps app can be downloaded.

PS: There's always Bing.

GS:mac

Google Maps has never let me down. I've walked through London with it perfectly and driven from the east midlands to the southeast. No problem. It's difficult to find a missing POI in Google Maps and they're all in the right place. POIs that have closed down/rebranded tend to not be there/or up to date.

Apple Maps are an abomination. At the moment there's absolutely no contest. Google wins.

Glassed Silver said,
To put things into perspective (mine at least):

If people seriously think that pulling off a mapping service is simple, think again.
If people really think Google Maps is excellent, think again, it too has many flaws, especially outside the US.
Transit? Never seen much going for it on the iOS App so far for my city, hence I've always used dedicated apps that even work nation-wide for all of Germany - all bus stops (I guess, so far, I found everyone I saw around me - doing lots of trips)
If people really think that Apple should have worked on this a little longer, definitely agree here that it could have used at least another year, problem is: contracts don't work that way.
Apple had contracts with Google to use their service, and you probably can't convince Google in helping you build a better competing product by just giving a little more time. It's either licensing Google Maps for another say 5 years or not at all. Shipping iOS 6 without Maps, how does that sound?

Google will release their dedicated app either way and this will help competition speed up.
Even if Apple prematurely released their Maps solution, they definitely have done everyone a favor at least as soon as the Google Maps app can be downloaded.

PS: There's always Bing.

GS:mac

Pulling off a maps solution clearly isn't simple but stating other maps programs have problems is flawed logic. Apple would have known the deal was coming to an end a long before it actually did, they could have started work two years, three years ago and got it right. Licensing is not a valid excuse...I don't think I've ever heard someone try and excuse a company for a poor product "because of licensing".

Maybe Apple did want to renew but Google pulled the rug out and said no or demanded some crazy deal, who knows but the point is Apple released a product that wasn't ready, pure and simple.

Glassed Silver said,

This.

Unfortunately, not everything is directly in their hands, as some map materials are just WAY out of date, but sometimes that happens with Google, too.

Actually, in a perfect world, cities (or States) would supply mapping services directly, and those would update ASAP...
Ugh...

GS:mac

Google gets updated by the users mainly. Or well, userinput > google > map update.
Not sure about there, but here in NL, many local governments and what not, supply information themselfs to Google maps.

nohone said,

You know that Metro stuff in Win8 that some people are complaining about? Well Microsoft tried really, really hard, guys. And it is a V1 feature, so we just need to give them some time to make it better. It is not perfect, but just give them a little time. It will improve version over version and eventually make every one happy. So I would just give Microsoft a little bit of credit for trying something new, and some more time.

Maybe we should start handing out trophies for participating, too. I mean, Apple maps may not be good now, but they deserve it. You're Good Enough, You're Smart Enough, and Doggone It, People Like You.


Your seriously comparing Win8 to Apple Maps? really dude.
Win8 works like a charm, indeed its not perfect, but it does what it is suposed to do and does everything its intended for right out of the box.
Apple Maps however... well the only thing thats similar to my Win8 argument is that it is not perfect... -.-

Shadowzz said,

Your seriously comparing Win8 to Apple Maps? really dude.
Win8 works like a charm, indeed its not perfect, but it does what it is suposed to do and does everything its intended for right out of the box.
Apple Maps however... well the only thing thats similar to my Win8 argument is that it is not perfect... -.-

I honestly do not know how I could have packed any more sarcasm into what I wrote. I like metro/Win8, but we have people complaining about it, people say wait until V2 of any MS product, or at least SP1, but Apple, we should support them because they tried hard.

Are they really calling everything innovation now. Turn by turn navigation is NOT apples creation, but they sure managed to butcher it with the WORST map app ever released. They get away with saying things like this and it makes me sick.

Innovation != Invention.

And given your track record, do you think it's the WORST map app because you've used it extensively and you found it to be poor, or do you think it's the WORST map app because there is an Apple logo on the back?

omgben said,
Innovation != Invention.

And given your track record, do you think it's the WORST map app because you've used it extensively and you found it to be poor, or do you think it's the WORST map app because there is an Apple logo on the back?


This is an Apple "criticizing" thread, close your dictionary and leave the room, please!

GS:mac

omgben said,
Innovation != Invention.

And given your track record, do you think it's the WORST map app because you've used it extensively and you found it to be poor, or do you think it's the WORST map app because there is an Apple logo on the back?

Theres and Apple logo on the back of the maps app... Man I got to see this

omgben said,
Innovation != Invention.

And given your track record, do you think it's the WORST map app because you've used it extensively and you found it to be poor, or do you think it's the WORST map app because there is an Apple logo on the back?

This statement "Innovation != Invention" doesn't make any sense at all, "!=" means the opposite.

MeltedMacaroni said,
Nothing wrong with the maps, people sure like to complain.
Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeease,
add a "/s" behind your comment!

MeltedMacaroni said,

Not sarcasm, just the truth.

Eh, they are pretty terrible. Specially at restaurants and shop locations. They also are terrible if you're not in the states.

MeltedMacaroni said,
Nothing wrong with the maps, people sure like to complain.

Did you even look at the image posted?

MeltedMacaroni said,
Nothing wrong with the maps, people sure like to complain.

You've probably looked at, what, one or two areas? Look a bit harder and you'll see entire villages allegedly underwater, towns covered in grass, landmarks missing, POIs that closed 50 years ago still there, petrol stations leading to skyscrapers.

They're god awful.

Teebor said,

Not sure if Trolling or just stupid >_>

This guy defends Apple to the death over everything, without fail. Best to ignore his comments. You could outright show him some of the messed up areas and he'd tell you it's still perfect.

Nidoking said,

This guy defends Apple to the death over everything, without fail. Best to ignore his comments. You could outright show him some of the messed up areas and he'd tell you it's still perfect.

Because they are.

warwagon said,
If it was Microsoft, they would have said "We are trying make a better experience"

If it had been Microsoft, they wouldn't have had to say anything... it would have worked!

IndyLateNite said,

If it had been Microsoft, they wouldn't have had to say anything... it would have worked!

Takes a special kind of fanboy to believe that a company has never produced a bad piece of software...ever...

myxomatosis said,
I guess Google Maps was already perfect 3-4 years ago judging by the comments I'm reading?

When Google Maps first launched, it was 10x better than this. Of course all those fancy features like 3D didn't exist back then. I'm talking about the actual mapping data.
If it knew what something was, it got the location right. If it didn't, it just didn't have it.
This thing knows where the place is but points you in the other direction. Even if you ask directions, it points you in the other direction.

myxomatosis said,
I guess Google Maps was already perfect 3-4 years ago judging by the comments I'm reading?

5 years ago Google Maps had accurate maps and was able to find landmarks instantly.
Apple Maps today fails at both of these basic tasks.

a0me said,

5 years ago Google Maps had accurate maps and was able to find landmarks instantly.
Apple Maps today fails at both of these basic tasks.

Not sure about timeframe, but when Google Maps/Earth was released, they only had satalite images, no landmarks, buildings, navigation... no nothing besides imagery.

Shadowzz said,

Not sure about timeframe, but when Google Maps/Earth was released, they only had satalite images, no landmarks, buildings, navigation... no nothing besides imagery.

Google Maps was released in the spring of 2005.
By July, they already had the hybrid mode view: http://www.bibi.org/box/2005/julho/Google_maps_hybrid.jpg
By the end of 2007, Google Maps for Mobile v.2 already looked better/was more accurate than late 2012 Apple Maps: http://www.letsgomobile.org/im...ogle-maps-mobile-phones.jpg

History of Google Maps for Mobile:
http://cdn3.berryreview.com/wp...y_updated_final.001.001.png
Also:
http://blumenthals.com/blog/20...elopment-history-2005-2008/

How does "the more people use it, the better it will get" simply because it is a cloud based system work? Siri can get better because the more people use it, the more data they have for data models to do better speech recognition. But with maps, they are pictures from satellites, people accessing a map does not magically fix melting buildings, roller coaster roads, terrains obscured by clouds, etc. Seems like something thrown out there because they know people will believe whatever they say.

nohone said,
How does "the more people use it, the better it will get" simply because it is a cloud based system work? Siri can get better because the more people use it, the more data they have for data models to do better speech recognition. But with maps, they are pictures from satellites, people accessing a map does not magically fix melting buildings, roller coaster roads, terrains obscured by clouds, etc. Seems like something thrown out there because they know people will believe whatever they say.

Simple, the more feedbacks they have, the best it is. If 10 people leave a feeback saying "I live in Chicago, this part of the map is broken" well... you know what I mean

apple haters are more foolish then the apple sheep (even though i bet you have never even met an isheep)

Edited by John S., Sep 21 2012, 8:32am :

nohone said,
How does "the more people use it, the better it will get" simply because it is a cloud based system work? Siri can get better because the more people use it, the more data they have for data models to do better speech recognition. But with maps, they are pictures from satellites, people accessing a map does not magically fix melting buildings, roller coaster roads, terrains obscured by clouds, etc. Seems like something thrown out there because they know people will believe whatever they say.

I guess that part implies the live traffic info

Atari.2600 said,
snipped

Calm down man, did anyone force you to buy an iPhone?
In that case, I understand your anger and frustration hadn't you purchased one yourself and damn whoever put a pistol up your head walking you into the store...

Glassed Silver:mac

Edited by John S., Sep 21 2012, 9:09am :

rippleman said,
apple haters are more foolish then the apple sheep (even though i bet you have never even met an isheep)

Yes, we know, everyone who does not blindly follow Apple is a hater. The haters are all about, just waiting to attack. Apple is so oppressed by these haters, and they need to stop before poor Apple's feelings are hurt.

Grow up - if you cannot stand criticism when criticism is due, especially when that criticism is directed at a company, then you are going to have a very difficult life. You already (in a forum thread) declared the maps as "working fine," blamed problems on the user's internet connection, etc.

Apple screwed up, that's fine, every person, company, etc. does it, but what are they going to do to fix it? I used the maps on my iPad often, plot out a location before I left the house, bring it with me in 3D mode so I can find the place exactly. But looking at local businesses, the POIs are not anywhere close, not by a 100 or so yards, but miles. 6 years ago a Wal-Mart moved about 10 miles down the road, but they still have it in the old place. But when I can show you the map, drag you out into the street and show how wrong Apple was, rather than say Apple screwed the pooch, you start attacking the "haters." Apple no longer needs to write good software, just accept whatever they give you and blame the haters.

nohone said,

....

To add something - I skipped past who your reply was to, thinking it was directed towards me. No, Atari should not have been calling people "iSheep" just as you should not have been calling people "haters"

rippleman said,
apple haters are more foolish then the apple sheep (even though i bet you have never even met an isheep)

Yeah, and anyone that doesn't like President obama, is a racist?

PmRd said,
Making it even better would mean it's good so I'd say they are making it less ****ty.

I'd like it if they had more than blob resolution for most of the united kingdom. I'd also like it if in Apple land, there were people who wanted to get directions by foot and who use public transport.

PmRd said,
Making it even better would mean it's good so I'd say they are making it less ****ty.

This!! Turn by turn nav is not innovative Siri is new but not innovative flyover... maybe

innovative new features like Flyover, turn by turn navigation, and Siri integration.