Apple's iPhone runs Mac OS X Leopard

Joe: Does it run OS X?
John: Of course it does ya noob! A stripped-down version for the mobile phone.
Joe: Does that really count as OS X?
John: Why wouldn't it?
Josh: You're all wrong. Apple has the whole damn Mac operating system on their phone.

Regardless of how you look at Jobs' line regarding OS X on the phone, you'll be interested to know that he was referring to good old (by that I mean the unreleased) version 10.5. Only the best from Apple, right? According to report published Thursday, some version of OS X 10.5 "Leopard" will be on the iPhone which is slated for shipping in June 2007.

"Everything I've learned (both in official briefings and 'you and I never spoke, all right?' sort of discussions) says that it truly does run Leopard, the upcoming 10.5 OS that will be released for the Macintosh late in the spring," said Mac columnist Andy Ihnatko, writer for the Chicago Sun-Times, after spending 45 minutes with the iPhone.

According to Ihnatko, all user interface animations seen during public demos of the device "come courtesy of Leopard's Core Animation suite." He also mentioned the device sports the "most beautiful freakin' display" he's ever seen on a cellphone of PDA "in range of color and level of detail." He also notes that the device's virtual keyboard "is a huge improvement over the mechanical thumbpads" found on many competing smart phones.

Link: Neowin Forum Discussion (thanks Hurmoth)
News source: Apple Insider

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Wowzerz!!!!! Apple invented the technology to get over 3 gigs of X86 based system files and convert them into a few MB large firmware for a phone! Amazing! Well maybe not the whole OS since it'll only need a few features but still, heh, let's see Microsoft try to do this! Nana nana boo boo, oh wait, they already did, a long time ago, with many more features implemented and less bragging, hmph.

But still the fact that its leopard really makes it better over a phone based on tiger I mean itll have a new version of Mail and System Re- I mean the time machine thing, itll probably have itunes since going all the way home to buy music is too much hassle nowadays, oh right and all those advanced graphics you need for a few hundred pixels of display, I mean honestly what the hells the point in a phone if you cant poke an icon and make it jump up and down, might as well just use a landline. If it truely is based on OSX though then I guess the users will have to pay for updates, oh well what do you expect from a $700 phone?

Seriously though I think its great that the phone uses Leopard, I hope I can upgrade my toaster to Leopard, roasting bread with the old version of Safari is so lame.

do you guys smell new torrents with the hacked OS X mobile version which can run the standard UI and run normal mac apps?
oh and an unlocked iPod widescreen in the iphone... yea... that'd be sweet... though, still don't smell that torrent, unfortunately.
but this device SCREAMS for being hacked :D

-fm

OS X for iPhone is not a full version of OS X.

It's kinda like linux on your computer vs. linux on a portable device.

Coolme said,
It's kinda like linux on your computer vs. linux on a portable device.

Wow, that was an ignorant comment, considering portable devices that run Linux ARE computers

According to Ihnatko, all user interface animations seen during public demos of the device "come courtesy of Leopard's Core Animation suite." He also mentioned the device sports the "most beautiful freakin' display"

seriously that guy that to go out a bit more, in europe nokia have display of 352 x 416 pixels, 35 x 41 mm in a mere 2.1" thats far more impressive.
and anything they say IF runs the same core, still its cripple you can't do everything you can on MAC oS X than Mac OS mobile and its closed TOO.

Windows Mobile has:

Gameboy Emualtors
Sega Megadrive Emulator
SNES emulator
full DivX/XviD playblack..

This iPhone could have all that and more, but its locked.. lol..

MiG- said,
Gameboy Emualtors

illegal
MiG- said,
Sega Megadrive Emulator

illegal
MiG- said,
SNES emulator

illegal
MiG- said,
full DivX/XviD playblack..

illegal

n00bs pwned with this post: MiG-

DeeJay2 said,
illegal

who cares
DeeJay2 said,
illegal

who cares
DeeJay2 said,
illegal

who cares
DeeJay2 said,
illegal

who cares

seriously... oh and: DivX/XviD doesn't have to be illegal.

btw: my nokia n-gage which is like 2.5 years old (Symbian OS Series60) plays Xvid/DivX either, it may also run Gameboy/GBC, SNES and i guess even SM emus... but just throwing that in.


oh and in fact... the fact they put OS X on the iPhones is quite exciting, its even more exciting due to Core Animations, but it gets less exciting as since i may NOT run advanced system apps, run the actual interface, run Mac-apps, etc... I wish that was possible...
Oh and the iPod feature is a joke, it will only playback DRM-ed stuff... I mean... WTF, sometimes stuff isn't buyable in iTunes/already got it on non-protected CDs/is legally downloadable without DRM/just play FREE
if that wouldnt be, and I could have more GIGs on that baby, I'd not buy an iPod this summer, but get an iphone INSTEAD, which i'll buy anyways, but just not for using the ipod feature, but to call, I need a new phone anyways, and the iPhone looks pretty well and smart appart from those disadvantages.

-fm

I think that will be a misunderstanding.

It will play most of the stuff the current ipod runs, either DRM itunes stuff or stuff of a CD

evo_spook said,
I think that will be a misunderstanding.

It will play most of the stuff the current ipod runs, either DRM itunes stuff or stuff of a CD


so non-DRM-ed stuff as well?
that'd be great. can you get me a link to a source?
well i read it doesn't some time back...
i guess it was in the FPN

-fm

you're telling me that guy really believes that the iphone is running a complete version of leopard? really? he must be a bit stupid

Are you illiterate? He says its OS X Leopard with all the system applications, standard UI, and unnecessary bits (like HW drivers, print facilities, etc...) stripped out. However, this IS different from WinMobile and WinCE.

Until it can run full .app apps in my opinion it doesn't have sh.. It may be running a stripped version of osx but lets be honest, big f....... deal. Most people would enjoy having a full os on a mobile device so they can just transfer apps to their device and run them. Windows mobile is windows CE. It is not XP or Vista. You cannot install programs for the desktop on it. If someone came out with a integrated device for example like OQO with an integrated gsm/cdma phone it would own. Right now it just too expensive to produce a device like that to the mass marked. But hey I would be happy to buy one if it was available. I think Jobs is dead wrong when he stated people do not want a phone that is like a desktop....Or however he stated it. Just my opinion. Flame ON!

Mike

OMG and my K-JAM runs Windows!!

Windows Mobile, actually, but some (most) still class it as Windows.

Oh, and the whole on screen keypad thing -- its not all that great, as someone mentioned, tactile feeling of a keypad (difference between it and a keyboard people) with the response is greatly unappreciated -- when you go to press a number on a screen, it just doesnt feel right.

its like using an ATM with touch screen as opposed to the hard buttons down the side -- feels awkward and you dont know if you pressed it hard enough or not.

Either way, i'm barely impressed.

Not really... if you paid attention this was obvious: all you had to do was look at the album art flipping to see that it was using Core Animation. In fact, Steve showed a slide showing the technology... which included Core Animation. Core Animation is a Leopard only technology.

I figured that the iPhone was running 10.5 -- seemed logical when Jobs mentioned it had OS X on it.

Personally, I can't wait to play with it, but I am going to have to try to resist the urge to order one as soon as they're available. I suspect we'll be seeing unlocked ones via eBay or elsewhere pretty soon after they debut. I've been living contract free (with Cingular) for over three years now, and I'd like to keep it that way.

As for the keypad, I can type pretty effectively on the touch-screen keyboard on my Tungsten's calculator, and rarely use the stylus with the PDA in general. And I know Apple is going to get something as "key" (sorry, bad pun) as the virtual keyboard right, since they're making such a big deal about it.

*keeping my fingers crossed, and saving my dollars*

If they are using Darwin for the kernel shouldn't we get to see the source code? Who thinks they will release it? I doubt it.

"[...] shouldnt [...]"
no, why should we?
they dont have to, and if they dont want to, thats ok.
you can't say that no releasing source code is evil lol

-fm

Yeah as per #7 and #8. Who really cares what OS it runs if you cant add software or do anything with it. I'm sure it will enable them to quite easily add sync functionality but they could accomplish the exact same thing with any number of OS. If you cant actually make use of the OS then it really doesnt matter what operating system is on there at all just as long as it works.

Really Job's attitude of "you dont want a PC do you" sounds a bit absurd. No of corse we dont all want a pc but that doesnt mean we wouldnt want to add functionality to the phone. Ahh well.

OK so I'll say it:

Who the heck cares if it runs even 2 different versions of OS X or XI or XIII if it is locked down and you can;t install applications that you want?

I am quite skeptical about virtual keyboard being better than real keyboard. There is the issue of feedback that one gets only through real keys. But I guess we'll see.

what is the use of a "locked down" version of operating system? it would have been better if apple used some basic version and build applications over it because it doesnot really matter when no one else can release something for the device and the peope who can already know to develop apps efficiently on a basic level OS. dont you think?

differences between the basic level and the version to be released will only have additional functionalities in the areas other than handling application programs and rendering the objects.

i think apple wans to compete with MS in mobile operating sector. im predecting that they will license this version of their OS to other mobile manufacturers in the years to come as MS is doing it now.

strekship said,
I doubt it will be a fully functional version of it. It will probably be like the WinCE of Mac.

I agree I'm not too good at playing games (hopefully, if you can) on a cell phone. And I'm not too good at browsing the internet on a 3.5 inch screen either. Movies, anyone? :cheeky:

Despite all the bad press this product has been getting, I actually can't wait to try out one of these.
You have to remember though that this is a top end phone so it's obviously not going to be cheap.
(If only they made budget hardware....)

Honestly, who cares?

Can we avoid going all digg-y on the every single tidbit/rumor regarding the iphone for a few months, you know, when it is due to come out and we'll have all the answers?

That's pretty amazing. Apple always pulls surprises like that. I had no idea that it was actually running OSX 10.5, when I was watching the live demo at macworld lol. That's pretty sweet