At $100, this Windows 8.1 tablet is going head-to-head with Android

Microsoft has been on a crusade to fight Android at the low-end of the market segment with cheaper Windows devices. They made this possible by offering up Windows for free on devices smaller than 9 inches and also Windows 8.1 with Bing as well.. 

A new Windows 8.1 tablet has been announced at Computex and it will have a price point of $100. The device, built by Emdoor, has a quad-core Intel Z3735E ATOM processor, 1 GB of RAM, 16 GB of internal storage, and an 8in 1280x800 IPS display. We are quite pleased to see an IPS display in a tablet at this price point, and even an Intel CPU under the hood makes us suspect this device may not be a dog in the performance department.

One issue with the device is that there is roughly 8 gigs of free storage out of the box and that's because it's running the full version of Windows 8.1. But, for $100, that's about what you should expect, as this device meets the minimums for running Windows 8.1.

For Microsoft, this is a big play for the company as it looks to move into the super-low end tablet market and compete with Android who has been the only OS at these price points for many years. Intel, naturally, gets a win here as well as its chips make these types of low price devices possible too.

One area where Microsoft needs to be cautious is that if these devices offer a poor user experience, it could turn off users to Windows 8.1 as they will equate these cheap devices performance back to Microsoft. While we know its the hardware that will slow down the device, the poor performance will still reflect, from a user perspective, on Microsoft.

But, at $100, what can you expect? The device seems surprisingly well-rounded for such a cheap tablet and we will be curious to see if these types of tablets will significantly boost Windows 8.1 adoption rate among consumers.

Via: MobileGeeks

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Asus Nexus 7 32 GB, $145 in Amazon, $228 locally (somewhere outside USA)

Well, going to expect a more than 50% price increase when this tablet finally arrived here.

For 100.00 I'd buy a windows tablet.

So windows tablet market share will come from cheap low end devices, interesting, it is a huge market. Interesting too that it will mirror what is happening with Windows Phone.

Considering you get what you pay for I wonder what they will skimp on? I wonder what the user experience will be like, I wonder what battery life will be like? I wonder what these cheap devices will do for the Windows brand? It looks like the NetBook all over again.

I would buy this just to have a touch based device with Windows 8 so I can actually utilize the Start Screen.

jd100 said,
Built by "Emdoor"... that speaks for itself. Some no name chinese company most likely.

No name chinese company?, but.... but... but the company is called Emdoor ;-)

There is a lot more to a tablet than just the cpu. Such as the battery, which usually is the number one thing they skimp on. Pretty much always, the el-cheapo tablets have a very short battery life, and are prone to having many defects causing them to not last long.

Personally I much prefer Windows 8 on a desktop than I do on a tablet. After having tried a Windows 8 tablet, I find all the swiping from all four sides, and every other direction, very annoying and tiring. A mouse is so much more efficient.

My latest Tablet bought is an Android, 9.7", 'Retina' display, Rockwell QuadCore 1.6GHz, 2Gb RAM, 16Gb Storage, BlueTooth, wireless, MicroSD, HDMI, USB, 8000mAh, all for £170.

Now if someone can bring out a Windows 8.1u Tablet with similar specs but with an Intel Core i_ CPU with quadcore HyperThreading at 2.4GHz + at the same price (give or take £10) then we are talking switching from Android.

While the $100 MS/Intel jobbie is a good demonstration of what can be achieved it does not appeal to me as it has too little RAM, to lower a resolution screen and insufficient storage.

This ^

We can get Android devices with iPad-like specs for close to £150 from ebay, amazon etc. The software is the worst thing about this Windows tablet though. I'm sorry but Metro and Microsoft's limited ecosystem just doesn't appeal to me.

thehootyowl said,
My latest Tablet bought is an Android, 9.7", 'Retina' display, Rockwell QuadCore 1.6GHz, 2Gb RAM, 16Gb Storage, BlueTooth, wireless, MicroSD, HDMI, USB, 8000mAh, all for £170.

Now if someone can bring out a Windows 8.1u Tablet with similar specs but with an Intel Core i_ CPU with quadcore HyperThreading at 2.4GHz + at the same price (give or take £10) then we are talking switching from Android.

While the $100 MS/Intel jobbie is a good demonstration of what can be achieved it does not appeal to me as it has too little RAM, to lower a resolution screen and insufficient storage.

We'd have to wait for skylander (who knows if broadwell) to do the trick. That's a lot of heat coming from those processors. It'll be difficult right now to do so.

Hell, the Surface Pro 3 is doing some kind of miracle with today's hardware.

simplezz said,
This ^

We can get Android devices with iPad-like specs for close to £150 from ebay, amazon etc. The software is the worst thing about this Windows tablet though. I'm sorry but Metro and Microsoft's limited ecosystem just doesn't appeal to me.

This tablet has more software available to install than android and iOS combined, add in bluestacks and it has all the android software as well...

100USD = £59.72

I am pretty sure that for $300 USD (approx £180) you will be ablt to get full Windows 8 with the above mentioned Android specs in the near future.

Kunal Nanda said,
100USD = £59.72
I am pretty sure that for $300 USD (approx £180) you will be ablt to get full Windows 8 with the above mentioned Android specs in the near future.

He said 170 and I said 150, not 180. Besides, you're forgetting that's with UK VAT (20%) added on. That's why it's more expensive in the UK.

Good luck finding an x86 Windows tablet with those specs for less than £400-500 pounds.

You're also forgetting that x86 Windows battery life sucks. And I for one can't stand Metro or its limited ecosystem. If I did have a Windows x86 tablet, I'd install classic shell and just use the desktop portion of it.

HawkMan said,

This tablet has more software available to install than android and iOS combined

Really? And what centralised and seamless built-in store provides this wealth of applications at a tap of the finger?

HawkMan said,

add in bluestacks and it has all the android software as well...

LOL. Let's all install half-arsed emulators that don't run the Play Store and all its apps shall we? What could be more seamless than that..

simplezz said,

Really? And what centralised and seamless built-in store provides this wealth of applications at a tap of the finger?

That argument wasn't in your claim. But windows has without a doubt more software available than iOS and Android together. and there's several donwload sites providing downloads in a nice centralized repository.


LOL. Let's all install half-arsed emulators that don't run the Play Store and all its apps shall we? What could be more seamless than that..

Again you're adding stipulations to your claims. also it's not a half assed emulator, not anymore than the dev tools the developers use. it runs the apps just fine and as if natively, heck since they're kind of JIT they're practically native anyway.

personally I have no need for the 50 million fart apps and bad copy apps on the android marketplace. I have enough apps available on the WP And Windows store.

HawkMan said,

That argument wasn't in your claim. But windows has without a doubt more software available than iOS and Android together. and there's several donwload sites providing downloads in a nice centralized repository.

Right. Let's go download some nice touch-friendly desktop apps from random websites shall we? Well that's if we can find the ones we're looking for. And while we're at it, let's pray that it's not loaded with malware..

You don't seem to understand that legacy Windows desktop applications are irrelevant on ultra mobile devices do you? And Metro, well, the less said about that and its non-existent app ecosystem the better.

HawkMan said,

Again you're adding stipulations to your claims.

For a Windows tablet to go head-to-head as this article describes it, the app ecosystem has to be malware free and seamlessly integrated into the the system. Windows desktop apps offer neither. They're clunky to use with touch, disparate, inconsistent, malware and virus infested, hard to find or expensive, and lacking the quality of Android and iOS.

Good luck with those legacy desktop apps on modern touch devices. Even Microsoft recognises it's not competitive or else it wouldn't have created Metro and its app store to begin with. So no, a disconnected and seamful desktop app experience can't compete with Google's and Apple's environments.

HawkMan said,

also it's not a half assed emulator, not anymore than the dev tools the developers use.

Yes it is, and the dev tools aren't meant for a good basic user experience, they're meant for software development and debugging purposes.

It's an emulator because it simulates an ARM environment. Emulators like Bluestacks are similar to WINE running Windows desktop apps on Linux. It might be good for a few apps, but it's not something you want to use long term. That's why Bluestacks isn't popular. And don't forget, many apps require the GMS API's, something Bluestacks can't provide. Nor can it supply Google apps or the Playstore. It's no different to using a third party chinese app store. Poor compatibility, small number of apps, bad performance, and a non-seamless experience.

HawkMan said,

it runs the apps just fine and as if natively, heck since they're kind of JIT they're practically native anyway.

It's virtualising an ARM environment so performance will always be inferior. Then there's the thorny issue of executing non-java native code.

HawkMan said,

I have enough apps available on the WP And Windows store.

It's a shame the most popular and important ones will always be outdated or entirely missing isn't it? Even after Microsoft spent millions bribing developers.

Edited by simplezz, Jun 5 2014, 1:54pm :

simplezz said,

It's a shame the most popular and important ones will always be outdated or entirely missing isn't it? Even after Microsoft spent millions bribing developers.

So let's ignore all the other BS you sprouted which stems mostly from irrational metro hate.

A nebulous claim as a response to a direct statement, you can't even name any examples. Again I and 99% of users have all the apps we need! and updated in hype windows App Store.

So with that, I can only conclude that what you're doing is merely trolling you have yet to give a single factual, proven statement with an actual example.

And android users complaining about the possibility of malware on a windows tablet because it can be used for actual productivity... Cute.

I have news for you, BlueStacks (the most popular emulator for Windows) DOES run the Play Store - and why wouldn't it, since it emulates a tablet? In fact, BlueStacks has been quite capable of running the Play Store since the code moved to ICS. Or, if you truly NEED KitKat, you can actually run KitKat either in multiboot or a VM - this is something that any PC running Windows 8 (and most running 7) can do easily - it's no harder than running a Linux distribution. What it REALLY is about is caging Windows.

PGHammer said,
I have news for you, BlueStacks (the most popular emulator for Windows) DOES run the Play Store - and why wouldn't it, since it emulates a tablet?

Who wants to run some slow hacky emulator when they can get the real thing far cheaper than Windows anyway?

PGHammer said,

In fact, BlueStacks has been quite capable of running the Play Store since the code moved to ICS.

Good luck with that. 1. It's not legal. 2. Who knows how long it will work for before an update breaks it. 3. You'd have to side load it in the first place. Sorry, but I prefer the real thing, not a poor emulation.

PGHammer said,

What it REALLY is about is caging Windows.

I hardly ever use Windows these days anyway. GNU/Linux fulfils my professional needs, and Android my mobile / life needs. There's absolutely nothing that Windows can offer me that I don't already have and more.

Wow, you're like a parrot repeating yourself with no substance.

In the meantime, I just installed bluestacks on my win 8 tablet. And even though it has a well filled app store of its own I opened the included play store, installed them, and guess what, I played them just fine no lag, no tackiness, no slowness. So basically the complete opposite of your baseless claims.

Now let me see an android tablet that runs all the windows applications... no?...

HawkMan said,

Now let me see an android tablet that runs all the windows applications... no?...

Windows and its legacy desktop applications are irrelevant in the ultra mobile world of today. Even Microsoft sees that given its relegation of the desktop to just another tile app in the startscreen.

Umm yeah, no. Photoshop and Lightroom for example, having a tablet with those, with them, is awesome for a photographer.

Haven't you noticed, MS is not abandoning the desktop.

HawkMan said,
Umm yeah, no. Photoshop and Lightroom for example, having a tablet with those, with them, is awesome for a photographer.
Haven't you noticed, MS is not abandoning the desktop.

Those are niche/adhoc activities. 99% of users don't use devices that way.

Because they can't, and that was just one example.

But you again keep changing the parameters. As it is a windows tablet is a far more powerful and useful device than an android, and it can do everything android can do.

HawkMan said,
Because they can't, and that was just one example.

Android and iOS aren't targeting tiny niche markets. There's always GNU/Linux distros and OS X for those adhoc activities.

And as the sales numbers prove, no one cares about Microsoft Office except perhaps some stuffy out-of-touch corporate IT people who rely on the Microsoft software gravy train for their employment. The rest couldn't care because 1. Most people don't do office work on tablets/phones and 2. There's a plethora of free office suites available on both major platforms already.

HawkMan said,

But you again keep changing the parameters. As it is a windows tablet is a far more powerful and useful device than an android, and it can do everything android can do.

The only parameter as you call it is the title of the article - Windows 8.1 going head to head with Android. To do that it must at a minimum equal Android's features, performance, customisability, device support, ecosystem, cross platform support. It doesn't even meet that specification or parameter, let alone surpass it. So the notion that users will warm up to Windows 8.1 on mobile simply because of expensive and redundant legacy desktop applications that barely work with touch interfaces is preposterous.

Wow... after your ridiculous 99% claim you pulled out of thin air, I didn't think you get more unserious and ridiculous on your made up claims, but you did congrats. Now I'm done arguing with kids who don't have any real world connector.

I expect young kids will be given these cheap tablets by relatives. If so, there will be quite a few (very slow) Windows 8.1 Refresh's being needed on these devices after multiple Conduit, coupon, saver, SweetPacks, or other system slowing garbage unknowingly hop aboard. These issues might be avoided by installing RebootRestoreRX 2.0 and saving all data to a microSD card. See http://www.neowin.net/news/reb...ilable-for-windows-81-users

Antoine Prince said,
And this can run Bluestacks -- pretty much android for windows. WIN.

Bluestacks is useless.

i would gladly pay another $50-100 to have a better resolution display. if the Nexus 7 can have a better display then why can't these Windows tablets?

the resolution is the only thing i personally find lacking in the current selection of 8" Windows tablets

Brando212 said,
i would gladly pay another $50-100 to have a better resolution display. if the Nexus 7 can have a better display then why can't these Windows tablets?

the resolution is the only thing i personally find lacking in the current selection of 8" Windows tablets

Your wish might well come true. This is probably just the start. Let's see what happens in the next couple of months.

I'm so confused by these $100-150 full Windows devices.

They're great, and I'm happy they're coming out as I need to get my parents some tablets to replace their aging laptop and these fit the bill perfectly. They're cheap, still well specced (it's a current gen Atom and W8.1 ran really well on last gen, 8.1.1 has been improved to run well on 1GB RAM too, apps can be installed to a MicroSD so the lack of free space isn't much of an issue for casual users, screen that matches current £250 8" devices), and still have Office?

They're pretty much bargains.

However, this seems contradictory to everything we know so far about Microsoft's future plans, which seemed to indicate they were scaling up Windows Phone and merging it with RT (the modern/metro part of RT anyway) to create a low-end, free version of Windows without a desktop. These tablets though, have full Windows scaling down, which was the Sinofsky/Ballmer plan before the One Windows movement started.

I genuinely figured we'd be seeing $100-150 7-8" tablets running Windows Phone at Computex, not the same devices running full fat Windows.

I guess I'm just interested to see how they're going to position Windows Phone/whatever the merged desktop-less version is called when that gets released next year. If companies (even the likes of Toshiba) can release full featured devices for $100, where else is there to go?

Brilliant! Free Office too, since it's an 8" device? Now if only they can make it available worldwide, it'll be a guaranteed hit. At that price, like the Lumia 520, most people would get one just out of curiosity, fall in love with it and then word of mouth will do the rest. And then maybe we'll see other OEMs launching devices at similar price points.

minster11 said,
That's news to me, you mean all 8" tablet comes with office. I thought only RT comes with it

Check out the zdnet's topic, which predicts microsoft's releasing Android Office by the end of 2014.

It would also depend how the marketing is done. Where is it going to be sold? What will be the final cost including taxes, etc? Still, I think this has the potential to be a game changer, provided the stakeholders play the game smartly.

minster11 said,
That's news to me, you mean all 8" tablet comes with office. I thought only RT comes with it
They could, probably from the OEM.
Didn't Asus and Acer's 8"-ers came with Office license ?

Nice. Good addition and will be great for people who dont need a whole heck of a lot of hardware. Nice to see cheaper devices out there.

techbeck said,
Nice. Good addition and will be great for people who dont need a whole heck of a lot of hardware. Nice to see cheaper devices out there.

I could just RDP into my home PC from my bed. This is cheap enough and capable enough to do just that.

As long as it runs the full version of Windows 8.1 its a deal. Windows RT is almost as worthless as Android, though nowhere near as unresponsive.

Lord Method Man said,
As long as it runs the full version of Windows 8.1 its a deal. Windows RT is almost as worthless as Android, though nowhere near as unresponsive.

Hay now, at least with Android I can sideload APK's if I want to.

If it uses PRO, then this tablet is already dead. Because I can pretty much guarantee you that the battery they put in this thing already has an incredibly short charge life on it. Adding pro will even kill it farther. I would bet you probably would get an hour of use max out of it with PRO on it.

techbeck said,
haha, what? Plenty of uses for an RT device. What was hurting them was the price. And Android unresponsive? um ok then.

Android, with the same specs, would be pretty unresponsive.

Makes sense. Virtually all of Windows Phone's sales come from the low end.


Microsoft has been on a crusade to fight Android at the low-end of the market segment with cheaper Windows devices. They made this possible by offering up Windows for free on devices smaller than 9 inches and also Windows 8.1 with Bing as well..

Don't forget patent royalties too. Without them, mainstream Android devices would be cheaper still. Fortunately, most of the chinese tablets available on Amazon, Ebay, and elsewhere don't pay the Microsoft tax, so I'm happy to buy them instead.

simplezz said,
Fortunately, most of the chinese tablets available on Amazon, Ebay, and elsewhere don't pay the Microsoft tax, so I'm happy to buy them instead.

Inane "tax" nonsense aside.. ugh, a neighbor bought some random Chinese noname Android tablet.. worst investment ever, poor quality, poor specs, zero support. Rather spend the extra few bucks for one that's actually worth something. Paid very little, got very little.

Max Norris said,

ugh, a neighbor bought some random Chinese noname Android tablet.. worst investment ever, poor quality, poor specs, zero support.

Perhaps he should have done his research better. I always look for reviews, Youtube unboxings etc before buying anything.

The fact that I can try out different firmware / roms is a massive plus for me. Something I'd never get with Windows devices.

Max Norris said,

Rather spend the extra few bucks for one that's actually worth something. Paid very little, got very little.

If you're talking about the tablet in this article, you're not exactly getting much now are you?

simplezz said,
Perhaps he should have done his research better. I always look for reviews, Youtube unboxings etc before buying anything.

He was looking at price. *shrug* For me not the #1 concern, I'll happily spend the extra bucks for a quality device versus some dodgy noname.

simplezz said,
The fact that I can try out different firmware / roms is a massive plus for me. Something I'd never get with Windows devices.

Goes with the research above, his has no third party ROMs or firmware, he's perma-stuck with a seriously out-dated version of the OS. Like I said, got what he paid very little for.. in the long run, it wasn't worth it.

simplezz said,
If you're talking about the tablet in this article, you're not exactly getting much now are you?

No, I'm talking about dirt cheap Android devices, something I avoid like the plague for already mentioned reasons. Although for the record, I wouldn't buy this either, I'm done with disposable devices, borderline useless for me, my phone already runs this lightweight stuff. Surface Pro 3 is on my agenda, run everything without compromise. Even Android stuff.

Wimboot would help with the storage issue but the 1gb of ram is a joke it has to be. No reason this can't be 4gb at a bare minimum.

Gotenks98 said,
Wimboot would help with the storage issue but the 1gb of ram is a joke it has to be. No reason this can't be 4gb at a bare minimum.
"$100"
"Tablet"
Do the math.

ok just checked and you can get a single 4GB SODIMM DDR3 module for £30 ($50), but in a tablet they wont (most likely) be using the modules, rather they will solder it to the board direct. Either way with a budget of $100 for case/cpu/mobo/ram/display with touch/build and make a profit there really isn't much left for adding RAM.

One more thing, and another reason this should be RT/ARM is that the apps from the store have their RAM usage managed by the OS and background tasks are handled by OS level agents. This keeps that 1GB in check. With x86 apps being able to be installed its fully up to the user to make sure apps aren't eating away at their RAM.

anther Reason for using ARM on lower end tablets that are meant to compete directly with the android models (OMG why cant I run Photoshop on my nexus!!!)

I am more concerned about the 1Gb of Ram, you can always expand the storage space but you will always be stuck with the 1Gb of Ram.

Well I give you an advice for a life time ..You get what you pay for :) If you think you will get a mid-high end for a ultra low budget you are wrong. I can already hear people scream that software that is running fine on the surface pro models is not running on this thing

I would hope that the type of people buying a Surface Pro 3 would be aware enough of the differences between an SP3 and this $100 offering.

1gb is not mutch but it will do the job just fine for webbrowsing and some apps.
This tablet has more value then any anroid tab at this price point.

The intel cpu in this tablet is the best you can find in this price range.

windows 8.1 has lower ram footprint then android.

my android Phone with (1gb ram stock rom so no touchwizz trash)) never uses less then 400mb when idle according to clean master.
my w8.1 vm running with 1gb ram 'only' 300mb ram (incl. antivirus)

i pushed the ram to max when i did this:
i had 6 tabs open: neowin, wpcentral,winbeta, 9lives.be,tweakers.net,youtube running a video on 1080p and watched when i was using the maps app scrolling etc, @ that point windows hibernated some tabs but YouTube video kept on playing this is done with ie touch and all desktop version sites.

some ram usage on my 8 gb ram 64 bit pc:
Despicable me: 170mb ram, music 120mb, mail app 99mb, Skype 70mb, royal revolt 80mb
or opening 20 websites (no YouTube) 700mb ram on ie desktop version

granted more ram is better.

oke as you said no possiblity to add ram later but that goes for all tablets.

i think that the real problem in this tablet is the storage but it has micro sd card slot according to the video.

Edited by michael1989, Jun 4 2014, 2:07pm :

Geoffrey B. said,
I am more concerned about the 1Gb of Ram, you can always expand the storage space but you will always be stuck with the 1Gb of Ram.

Its $100 for the love of god!!!

It took a lot longer to hit the $100 price point than I thought but I'm glad it's there. I remember when people thought this was going to be the price point for Windows RT models.

Well - that thing is good for surfing the web, play music and maybe it will even run FullHD movies. but what would I need the Full Windows version for

-adrian- said,
but what would I need the Full Windows version for

Opinion of course, but it's the software. With tablets like the Pro 3 and other future devices, I'm done with disposable hardware that doesn't really do what I need it to do and just runs the same stuff I have on my phone, Android included. Half the time I still need to use my laptop anyway to fill in the gaps, either in software or usability. And on top of that I can still run Modern and Android apps.

-adrian- said,
Well - that thing is good for surfing the web, play music and maybe it will even run FullHD movies. but what would I need the Full Windows version for

To do more than what you would do with an Android Tablet.

If full Windows OS can run with the same thermal footprint, why artificially limit users' potential productivity just because it's a mobile device and as such isn't "supposed" to be used as full PC?

I did a bit of reading on that, the whole purpose of RT was to push the start screen apps agenda. They were dipping their toes in the water, hoping companies would abandon the old fashion "program files" deal and hope that companies would stream into the app world (I can't see Adobe making 8.1 app versions of Dreamweaver and Flash or the whole collection for that matter).

By getting users accustom to strictly using apps, they'd hope that they'd like it and demand their favorite companies to make app versions of their favorite programs. So much for that though, I'm opting for a Razer Edge type device where it uses x86 (64 sorry) architecture to run the true OS. I simply must use regular programs..

because the device would be inherently more secure running RT than full windows, since ALL x86 binaries cant run - that's a big reason on a device that is mainly going to be used for surfing and consuming media!!!!

nickcruz said,

To do more than what you would do with an Android Tablet.

You _can_ do more with an RT device than you can with an Android tablet. IMO my Surface RT is almost a laptop. All it lacks is the ability to run 3rd party desktop programs, and most of the time I don't miss that. And I use my tower or regular laptop when I do need desktop programs.

RT does have a place as a "low-maintenance" version of Windows and would work well marketed as a easy-fixed system you can give to kids or problem users. If I were to upgrade my Surface I'd probably donate the old RT one to a friend who is constantly infecting her computer.

Got a child or user who clicks everything in sight? Give him an RT system, so there is little to no chance of damage, and what little gets through can be easily fixed.

Phouchg said,
RT is dead. Not that big of a deal.
- Steve

Windows RT is perfect is you don't want to ever worry about viruses and malware, or system corrupting drivers or software running amok.

+ it has office built in for free.

Deviate_X said,

Windows RT is perfect is you don't want to ever worry about viruses and malware, or system corrupting drivers or software running amok.

+ it has office built in for free.

It never ceases to amaze me how people can't see y the obvious benefit of rt.

No fake Av
No ransomware
No virus
No toolbars
No search hijack
No DNS poisoning

Give it to you kids and let them have at it.

RT is FAR better than pro, on a tablet. The Pro makes the tablet nothing but a notebook with the keyboard removed. It has the same short battery life, and the same incredibly annoying heat output.

-adrian- said,
Are there actually any new RT versions or is everyone going on the full package nowadays

Windows RT is as good as dead. It does not offer the core applications that people want/need such as iTunes, Firefox and Chrome. It is a confusing mess to consumers as it looks and feels 'just like Windows' but it can't run any of the legacy Windows applications. They should have totally removed/hidden the classic desktop environment and just relied on the Modern UI. The half and half design is just awful. It is a schizophrenic experience. I still believe it only ever came out because Microsoft a) wanted to put a bit more pressure on Intel to get the Atom chips more comparable to ARM and b) because they had the Windows kernel on ARM for Windows Phone and had the idea of 'universal apps' long before they were able to actually making them available.

-adrian- said,
Are there actually any new RT versions or is everyone going on the full package nowadays

No new RT devices it looks like but since MS made "Windows" free to these 8" devices then they'll just pick full Windows. Also, keep in mind that RT is changing with the next major version. All the hints are that RT and Windows Phone will morph and become one, once you get a future version that can also run your WP apps on your 8" tablet through one single Windows Store then you'll start to see more OEMs making them.

-adrian- said,
Well that should have been the idea behind the windows store in the first place :)

It was. The problem is that Microsoft were late to the game and rushed the product out the door. This is common of Microsoft and why it is normally a good idea to skip every other version when it comes to Windows unless you really need some new feature.

It would have been a better idea if Microsoft had held of releasing Windows 8 for a while until they had universal apps available and better feedback on Modern UI implementation. I know you can always say "lets wait for features X to be finished" and you will delay forever and a day but I don't think anyone would disagree that Windows 8 has had a pretty awful life so far.

-adrian- said,
Well that should have been the idea behind the windows store in the first place :)

I agree, it'll get there though.

duddit2 said,

It never ceases to amaze me how people can't see y the obvious benefit of rt.

No fake Av
No ransomware
No virus
No toolbars
No search hijack
No DNS poisoning

Give it to you kids and let them have at it.


No thanks. Doesn't matter if there are so few apps. Until the universal apps become mainstream there is no point in going with RT. If morons want to virus up their computer they will find a way to do it with RT.

Gotenks98 said,
.... If morons want to virus up their computer they will find a way to do it with RT.

Yeah ok.
Even with the registry hack to turn off unsigned binaries, there is no one eager to build a native compiler for Windows On ARM and MS sure aren't giving native ARM compilation to C++ Devs.

what's needed? Its a web browsing, media consuming device first and foremost, with office and the apps in the store (yes yes yes I know not as many as iOS or android but I use plenty of them and the numbers are increasing).

For me a small device like this running RT with long battery life and synced to all my other windows 8 devices and my phone would be ideal - I really really do not want to be running full x86 apps on this tiny device).

Nobody wants, nobody will and nobody can make you use full x86 *PROGRAMS*. There will be plenty touch-optimized, castrated stuff, too, much easier to develop, however. That's the joy about it - with battery life now being non-issue there's no reason to not have a single platform from pocket to workstation again. That's exacty what Broadwell promised. Intel saw a longstanding demand (or do you honestly think this 10 billion company did it for kicks and giggles?) and finally, after 5 year struggle, managed to actually deliver.

The hell is wrong with the world? You've being given much more than you need for a laughable price and you still find ridiculous reasons to complain about it.

RT is dead. DEAD.

Phouchg said,
.... RT is dead. DEAD....

Hate to tell you this, but as long as Windows runs on an ARM processor, RT is not dead.

More to the point we're entering the age described as "The Internet of Things".
Not every embedded cpu is going to be broadwell or its successor.

RT is very much alive.

DConnell said,
RT does have a place as a "low-maintenance" version of Windows and would work well marketed as a easy-fixed system you can give to kids or problem users. If I were to upgrade my Surface I'd probably donate the old RT one to a friend who is constantly infecting her computer.

Got a child or user who clicks everything in sight? Give him an RT system, so there is little to no chance of damage, and what little gets through can be easily fixed.

The recovery mode Microsoft touts as the quick way to fix uncurable disease is not so effective though.

When you buy system with Windows 8 preinstalled and upgraded to 8.1, that old recovery image can't even be used to restore your Windows to factory condition (Windows 8). Upgrade to 8.1 update 1, and the 8.1 image is invalidated too.

Had to reinstall a system from scratch because of it.
That's with the full Windows, but likely the same ordeal with RT

Gotenks98 said,
No thanks. Doesn't matter if there are so few apps. Until the universal apps become mainstream there is no point in going with RT. If morons want to virus up their computer they will find a way to do it with RT.

We did. Then they saw the Windows Store and complained...

My main complaint really is in regards to getting proper printing with it. That's one of the main issues that should be resolved. If they can do that, then I know many will be happy.

Phouchg said,
Nobody wants, nobody will and nobody can make you use full x86 *PROGRAMS*. There will be plenty touch-optimized, castrated stuff, too, much easier to develop, however. That's the joy about it - with battery life now being non-issue there's no reason to not have a single platform from pocket to workstation again. That's exacty what Broadwell promised. Intel saw a longstanding demand (or do you honestly think this 10 billion company did it for kicks and giggles?) and finally, after 5 year struggle, managed to actually deliver.

The hell is wrong with the world? You've being given much more than you need for a laughable price and you still find ridiculous reasons to complain about it.

RT is dead. DEAD.

RT and WP are going to merge. The Surface RT is still the most popular windows tablet. It's far from dead.

Exactly, I think that's what a lot of OEMs are waiting for on the lower end - because IMO the main demographic for lower end tablets are he same people that are click happy and always installing crapware/fake-AV/toolbars/having their serach hijacked etc. And they would simply want to browse and consume via apps.

Once the OS's mere and the full apps store is one (wp/RT apps together) the numbers will be decent as well for apps.

The ARM version of windows 8 with its longer battery and its sandboxed, immune to all x86 viruses and malware approach is not going anywhere folks, and nor should it