Back to back pre-NoDo and NoDo updates released to T-Mobile users

News has filtered through to us that Microsoft has finally started to launch their first batch of Windows Phone 7 updates to some carriers and branded phones.

At first it was only the pre-nodo update that was sent to T-Mobile and Orange (UK) based Windows Phone 7 users early in the afternoon, at least according to a number of twitter posts.

Since then, WPCentral has begun reporting that Microsoft is also releasing the full NoDo release to T-Mobile users and their handsets later in the day. Currently it seems to be aimed at HTC HD7’s and Dell Venue Pro’s handsets, although the rollout seems to be slow.

At the moment we have no confirmation on whether the NoDo update has also been released to Orange users, but judging from a UK Orange PR tweet, it certainly isn't far away.

The final NoDo update is build number 7390, and adds the much-publicized Copy and Paste feature as well as bug fixes and slight speed improvements to app loading, especially in relation to game load times. The update also adds specific marketplace search improvements, to make it easier for users to find applications they actually want. A full list of improvements for NoDo have been posted on the official Microsoft support site.

Update: Three (UK) is also expected to start to launch NoDo on their handsets later today according to WPCentral.

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Did anyone get the two updates? Was it one after the one? If not, how long did you wait till you got NoDo after Feb update??

astroX said,
Did anyone get the two updates? Was it one after the one? If not, how long did you wait till you got NoDo after Feb update??

Still no NoDo here. Stuck at 7008 ... maybe tomorrow?

Lachlan said,
got it in canada on telus.. just hook it up to the comp.. they did not give me a notification

just wanted to say it was really strange for the first time i ran the marketplace after the update it blinked with Marketplace @ the top instead of Applications.. and gave the warning "This information could not be recieved" and closed.. ran it again and it ran like the standard version from before.. I wonder if it was a mistake and showed what they are working on for the next update.

Lachlan said,

just wanted to say it was really strange for the first time i ran the marketplace after the update it blinked with Marketplace @ the top instead of Applications.. and gave the warning "This information could not be recieved" and closed.. ran it again and it ran like the standard version from before.. I wonder if it was a mistake and showed what they are working on for the next update.


It's supposed to have 'marketplace' at the top, and there is a second panoramic page with 'applications' at the top.

I've a strong feeling that we're all going to be fairly disappointed with NoDo, beyond what the WP7 phone update history page already states. I really hope we get a full and frank change log which details all the differences in the build and not just the headline grabbing summaries designed to be crawled by search engines. Is there anyone here who can provide a real-life review of what's included in NoDo in the way of bug fixes etc?

The only useful mention for me is the marketplace search improvements but even the *official* communication on what's included in NoDo is (unsurprisingly) confusing. Depending on where you are, you might not be getting all the improvements that you think you're getting.

Compare the US phone update history page…
http://www.microsoft.com/windo.../basics/update-history.aspx
…with the GB phone update history page and see what I mean - it's making my heart sink further again.
http://www.microsoft.com/windo.../basics/update-history.aspx

A smartphone is such a personal, intimate thing that bugs or standard feature omissions look and feel much more magnified and critical than on say a desktop where there are likely to be other usability workarounds. Microsoft needs to forget the big Servicepack mentality. The smartphone market moves so rapidly and demands greater awareness and agility.

They need to separate obvious bug fixes from feature requests. But it needs to go even further - separate new and innovative features from obvious missing elements that are a long-time standard on the current malaise of smartphones and even some so-called ‘dumb' phones. What is the point in gaining a new IE browser with hardware acceleration in 6-9 months' time (if we're lucky) when we still won't be able to connect a WLAN to a hidden network or perhaps even add a custom ringtone? First things first… and hurry up about it!

CtrlShift said,
I've a strong feeling that we're all going to be fairly disappointed with NoDo, beyond what the WP7 phone update history page already states. I really hope we get a full and frank change log which details all the differences in the build and not just the headline grabbing summaries designed to be crawled by search engines. Is there anyone here who can provide a real-life review of what's included in NoDo in the way of bug fixes etc?

The only useful mention for me is the marketplace search improvements but even the *official* communication on what's included in NoDo is (unsurprisingly) confusing. Depending on where you are, you might not be getting all the improvements that you think you're getting.

Compare the US phone update history page…
http://www.microsoft.com/windo.../basics/update-history.aspx
…with the GB phone update history page and see what I mean - it's making my heart sink further again.
http://www.microsoft.com/windo.../basics/update-history.aspx

A smartphone is such a personal, intimate thing that bugs or standard feature omissions look and feel much more magnified and critical than on say a desktop where there are likely to be other usability workarounds. Microsoft needs to forget the big Servicepack mentality. The smartphone market moves so rapidly and demands greater awareness and agility.

They need to separate obvious bug fixes from feature requests. But it needs to go even further - separate new and innovative features from obvious missing elements that are a long-time standard on the current malaise of smartphones and even some so-called ‘dumb' phones. What is the point in gaining a new IE browser with hardware acceleration in 6-9 months' time (if we're lucky) when we still won't be able to connect a WLAN to a hidden network or perhaps even add a custom ringtone? First things first… and hurry up about it!

You know what I'd not picked up on this difference between the USA/UK update list web pages till now...MS does need to start easing concerns of fragmentation with their updates (between regions). Why the UK would not get those bits that seem to be USA only is beyond me.

I am a huge WP7 fan (Omnia 7 on 3 UK) though each little negative thing that adds to the snowballing list of misinformation from MS is starting to allow thoughts to creep in that I may have made the wrong OS choice and should not have sold my Nexus One , N1 car dock & N1 desktop dock on ebay before Xmas.

I am now on my 2nd Omnia 7 handset after the 1st one refused to pick up wifi or connect to marketplace at all - just randomly stopped after barely 3 months ownership....I received my replacement (brand new) handset from 3 UK today & guess what... no connection to wifi & struggling to connect to Marketplace.

For me, Nodo (USA spec!) cant come quick enough. Perhaps a move back to Android may be necessary after this contract ends at this rate...

Edited by L1520, Mar 29 2011, 11:41pm :

WP7 said,

For me, Nodo (USA spec!) cant come quick enough. Perhaps a move back to Android may be necessary after this contract ends at this rate...

Err what? I am annoyed that I have had to wait for NoDo too, but Android is in a FAR worse update situation.

WP7 said,

You know what I'd not picked up on this difference between the USA/UK update list web pages till now...MS does need to start easing concerns of fragmentation with their updates (between regions). Why the UK would not get those bits that seem to be USA only is beyond me.

I think the changes only go so far as the difference between the two update web pages.
For example the American update page lists the
"Wi-Fi improvements. We now display your phone's Media Access Control"
bit while the UK page doesn't. However with my update (in the UK) I do have that MAC code now in my settings.
I Hope that made sense.

Frazell Thomas said,

Err what? I am annoyed that I have had to wait for NoDo too, but Android is in a FAR worse update situation.

I'd only consider stock android.

F_C said,

I think the changes only go so far as the difference between the two update web pages.
For example the American update page lists the
"Wi-Fi improvements. We now display your phone's Media Access Control"
bit while the UK page doesn't. However with my update (in the UK) I do have that MAC code now in my settings.
I Hope that made sense.

Yes it does cheers. Still a concern tho in that inconsistencies in info.

CtrlShift said,
I've a strong feeling that we're all going to be fairly disappointed with NoDo, beyond what the WP7 phone update history page already states. I really hope we get a full and frank change log which details all the differences in the build and not just the headline grabbing summaries designed to be crawled by search engines. Is there anyone here who can provide a real-life review of what's included in NoDo in the way of bug fixes etc?

The only useful mention for me is the marketplace search improvements but even the *official* communication on what's included in NoDo is (unsurprisingly) confusing. Depending on where you are, you might not be getting all the improvements that you think you're getting.

Compare the US phone update history page…
http://www.microsoft.com/windo.../basics/update-history.aspx
…with the GB phone update history page and see what I mean - it's making my heart sink further again.
http://www.microsoft.com/windo.../basics/update-history.aspx

A smartphone is such a personal, intimate thing that bugs or standard feature omissions look and feel much more magnified and critical than on say a desktop where there are likely to be other usability workarounds. Microsoft needs to forget the big Servicepack mentality. The smartphone market moves so rapidly and demands greater awareness and agility.

They need to separate obvious bug fixes from feature requests. But it needs to go even further - separate new and innovative features from obvious missing elements that are a long-time standard on the current malaise of smartphones and even some so-called ‘dumb' phones. What is the point in gaining a new IE browser with hardware acceleration in 6-9 months' time (if we're lucky) when we still won't be able to connect a WLAN to a hidden network or perhaps even add a custom ringtone? First things first… and hurry up about it!

Erm I have the update and I have pretty much everything that is in the US summary. I think they have just been summarised differently I wouldn't read to much into that.

F_C said,

I think the changes only go so far as the difference between the two update web pages.
For example the American update page lists the
"Wi-Fi improvements. We now display your phone's Media Access Control"
bit while the UK page doesn't. However with my update (in the UK) I do have that MAC code now in my settings.
I Hope that made sense.

Obviously he didn't understand that it was just a cosmetic problem (website information) - the update obviously offers the same features... Maybe he should consider an iPhone if he is so dense...

Just wanna add here, seems you do get the update (and OTA message too) if your not on the original carrier the phone was sold from and is still branded to.

I'm in Turkey and i have a usa t-mobile htc hd7, but i'm using a Turkish carrier in TURKEY, got the pre-nodo tonight.

This had me thinking a lot so i thought it might help someone else too.

Azyr said,
Just wanna add here, seems you do get the update (and OTA message too) if your not on the original carrier the phone was sold from and is still branded to.

I'm in Turkey and i have a usa t-mobile htc hd7, but i'm using a Turkish carrier in TURKEY, got the pre-nodo tonight.

This had me thinking a lot so i thought it might help someone else too.


That's correct.

Updating right now! T-Mobile USA, I wonder if it is the Nodo or Pre-Nodo I'm getting...

PS: That was quick, took less than 10 minutes, it's Pre-Nodo though.

Ely said,
Updating right now! T-Mobile USA, I wonder if it is the Nodo or Pre-Nodo I'm getting...

PS: That was quick, took less than 10 minutes, it's Pre-Nodo though.


You'll have to do two updates. The first one is pre-NoDo. Afterward, do the NoDo update.

day2die said,

You'll have to do two updates. The first one is pre-NoDo. Afterward, do the NoDo update.

It has not offered me any more updates only the 7008 one? I have been checking for updates through Zune but it doesn't offer anything else, I guess it will when it pleases, or am I missing something?

Following on from above, now the Feb update is installed I can now update to the March update (I presume that's NODO).
Orange UK with HTC Mozart if that helps anyone

F_C said,
Following on from above, now the Feb update is installed I can now update to the March update (I presume that's NODO).
Orange UK with HTC Mozart if that helps anyone

Yes, March update is NoDo. I hope there's a April update as well, wishful thinking I know.

F_C said,
Following on from above, now the Feb update is installed I can now update to the March update (I presume that's NODO).
Orange UK with HTC Mozart if that helps anyone

Somewhat annoyingly, I am also on Orange and with a Mozart HTC, managed to download the first update to build version 7008 yet now Zune keeps telling me that my phone is up-to-date and thus for me NODO isn't available

JSB said,
Got Update For TMobile South Carolina - 7.0 (7008) Just an FYI.

"NoDo" update still has not appeared after pre-update yet. HD7 Tmobile US

Einlander said,
Got the update on T-Mobile Usa!
-pre-nodo that is

I'm living in Turkey and i have a USA t-mobile branded (and unlocked) phone that uses a turkish carrier, got the update (7008 pre-nodo), installed in about 10 mins flawlessly.

Feeling good now ^^

I think this last stage has went smoothly for most. The Carrier validation is a lot quicker than Androids, it seems to be a few weeks at the most between carriers for WP7. I'm on 7008 on three UK, they say their pushing up the update from today, might be an extra day for all three customers to get it.

My lord its about time. In the beginning I was with the group that was defending Microsoft but now I'm on the other side of the fence. I understand the complexities but this launch has been become a PR nightmare and Microsoft should never had allowed that to happen.

I'm a pretty patient guy but I don't like uncertainty and thats exactly what they turned into. It reminds me of an old military saying "Hurry up and wait". Although I'm very hopeful that my Venue Pro will be one of the ones updated today.

Just installed what I think was the pre-update on my Venue Pro and it went smoothly. Also went much faster than expected. Took about 5 minutes but was supposed to take up to 20. Now have OS version 7.0.7008.0