Bill Gates responds to Steve Jobs' comments in biography

Steve Jobs had some highly critical things to say about Microsoft co-founder and chairman Bill Gates in the recently released biography. But in an TV interview on Sunday on ABC News' This Week program, Gates praised the late founder of Apple, saying, "When you think about why is the world better today, the Internet, the personal computer, the phone, the way you can deal with information is just so phenomenal."

Jobs gave his opinion of Gates to his biographer Walter Isaacson, saying, "Bill is basically unimaginative and has never invented anything, which is why I think he's more comfortable now in philanthropy than technology. He just shamelessly ripped off other people's ideas." But Gates took the high road, saying that Jobs, over the years, "  ... said a lot of very nice things about me and he said a lot of tough things. We got to work together. We spurred each other on, even as competitors. None of that bothers me at all."

Indeed, Microsoft and Apple did work together, including helping to develop Microsoft Office for the Mac. In 1997, the same year Jobs returned to Apple as CEO, Microsoft invested $150 million into the struggling company. Gates famously appeared on a giant screen via a satellite video link to announce the deal, with Jobs live on stage, at the MacWorld Expo.

Since that time the tables have indeed turned with Apple, under Jobs' direction, launching the iPod, iPhone and iPad, among other products. They have captured the hearts and wallets of consumers and helped to make Apple a massive tech company. Microsoft is still doing very well and the launch of its Xbox gaming business, along with its Windows and Microsoft Office divisions, keeps the company in the black. But the Zune music player failed to make any inroads against the iPod and its mobile phone operating system are still well behind Apple's iOS.

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The topic here is not what Jobs gave to philanthropic ventures but simply that on his decline he had such an aweful parting shot at his biggest rival. Gentleman, warriors, generals would often have a great deal of respect and admiration for their arch rivals, who fought fairly, in life especially those they found hard to beat. With parting words like this, Jobs CANNOT be defended. I remember seeing an interview with Bill Gates when he was promoting Vista and the interviewer asked him why Microsoft copied Apple so much for Vista. You could see it really hurt him. Apple took almost every idea present in Longhorn and brought it to market before Vistas release and then Jobs claimed that Vista had taken ideas from Apple. Jobs was a terrible capitalist and had no problem with distorting reality to create a cult like following just to sell products.

One thing about Bill Gates, he knew how to handle Steve jobs. Bill Gates is good with words too.

I think when you know you're the better man, you simply let your actions prove such. On;y lil spoiled misbehaved children, resort to name calling. Steve has been bitter at Bill, ever since he accused him of developing Windows from the Mac prototypes he gave to MSFT to use to make software for Mac OS.

Microsoft had the upper hand over Apple from day one. Apple naver made their own apps. Like Microsoft they bought applications or paid devs to make apps for Mac OS. Microsoft did that too, but made plenty of their own on top. Because of that Microsoft could offer apps preinstall on OEM PC's, which Apple didn't have.

Microosft got lucky in 2 ways. One, it had IBM in its corner and, 2) after Compaq learned how tp make a IBM compatible without needing to license any tech from IBM, Windows simple cloned with the clones. All that pushed MSFT up very fast. However, while one poster claimed that without Jobs we would have never had a GUI, is clueless and stupid.

Even tho MSFT had only DOS at the time, they too were working with IBM with GUI concepts. Even tho OS2 showed up after Mac OS, it was being worked on for quite some time. So was Windows NT. Mnay aren't even aware, Microsoft also had a Unix operating system. In fact it was rated 3rd best behind Bell Labs.

Steve Jobs, when brought to his attention that Apple was only selling 800,000 computers every year, he thought Apple was doing much better. In fact it took 2 decades for them to sell 1M for the first time. By this time Compaq, HP and others were selling pc's at 5 times that amount if not more. It took until 2007 for Apple to finally break the 2M sells marker.

So while people are claiming Macs are just flying off the shelves, they simply aren't. HP and Dell both sell well over 10M+ computers every single quarter, while apple barely sells that in an entire year. Out fo the 250M PC sold every year, 90% of them are Windows branded PC's. And many of the Mac users are running Windows too.

I mean that is the only ay to have 100% desktop compatibility. OSX can't be that EVER!!!

Gates found the winning combination. To this day they still don't make hardware other than mice/keyboards. Apple has toyed with all kinds of tech. The vast majority of which are failures.

Someone name any product Apple has sold that ever reach 400M sells...EVER!!!! In fact, if you combine every PC sold by Apple since the very first one the Apple II, in 35 years Apple still hasn't sold 400M of anything. While Microsft even with Vista which was a PR nightmare, still sold 400M+ copies. I hardly see that as a failure.

As Steve Jobs said about Gates and Microsoft he says, "they have no taste. They have no orginality in their products." I find that pretty funny, coming from a guy who also has no orginality in their products. They takes other peoples ideas and roll them up into a very nice looking case.

I dont even understand why people buy Macs an claim they are eleite pices of hardware. They are not. They are mid-range consumer based products in a fancier case. That's all. I am sorry, but the case isn't worth an aditional $500+ and niether is OSX.

With Windows I can walk into any store that sell software/hardware and shop blindfolded and 99% of the items I pick up will run under Windows. yet less than 1% of that same stuff will run under OSX.

if Steve Jobs was a man, he woudl just accept the bearing he had on technology and not be bitter against Bill Gates. Bill Gates was a businessman. he befriended those he needed to, to get the info he needed to move forward. Same as Steve Jobs did. accept Bill made better friends.

Look how old Gates is and he is still here vs Jobs who died young. This is what happens when you sell your soul to the Devil. When he is ready for you to come home, you life suddenly has an unexpected end. I guess Gates wasn't the Devil after all.

It's a simple question to respond. The best of both of them, is alive, and helping people with philanthropy, not taking people as slaves for i"things" production.

Microsoft is still doing very well and the launch of its Xbox gaming business, along with its Windows and Microsoft Office divisions, keeps the company in the black. But the Zune music player failed to make any inroads against the iPod and its mobile phone operating system are still well behind Apple's iOS.
The writer's opinions really need to stay out of the article. Also, there's this wonderful thing called spelling and grammar check that unprofessional journalists should still use despite being good at finding news content and presenting it in a fashion appropriate for distribution.

Dude.. you are a warrior poet!

1impulse said,
Stay classy, Bill.

Neowin comments take things to personally when it comes to Apple.

Wow...that's some serious class on the part of Gates. I'd have a very difficult time turning the other cheek to that sort of insult, grave or not. Jobs knew full well that quote was going in his biography, and he choose to use it anyways.

This coming from a guy who said "good artist copy, great artist steal". This coming from a guy who said out his own mouth, "he was shamed about stealing others ideas".

This coming from a guy who didn't even accept his own daughter, but named a computer after her. And I guess he thinks adopting her later or whatever earned him browning points with God? Hey Steve, did you ever give any siziable amount of money to your childs mother for all the pain and grief you causes?

Steve is just mad that Bill Gates had more of a bearing on todays tech than Steve did. I mean, every product we buy has some feature built around the work MSFT did.

Its okay Steve. We know you hate Bill Gates. You hate he was a smarter businessman than you. He was also a better thief. You're just mad MSFT has had a much better plane of sucess than you. MSFT has been successful all the years its been in business and Apple only recently has.

You are a sad little bitter man. Many people are so glad you are gone.
Oh Steve, now that you are looking your evil daddy in the face, what are you planning to steal from him.

Is it me, or does Steve Jobs face with the beard look exactly like the drawings of the devil?!

This coming from Steve Jobs, who shamelessly ripped off other peoples ideas?
Well, that's why Bill Gates is still here and you're not. Its sad that even to your death, you knick Bill Gates. The man who single-handedly save Apple by continuing to develop allplications for your broken down troja horse.

At least MSFT has never considered bankruptcy. MSFT has never needed to asked the worlds largest developer of apps to continue to support a dying platform so that others wouldn't leave.

The money MSFT invest...150M is a lot of money too. Did you think Bill was such a thief when he was handing you all that jack?

Hey Steve, name something you invented?

Just love laughing to Steve's texts ....
He believed he was an inventor, but never actually invented anything himself!
We hear over and over that he kept complaining about others doing same as he did ...

Inventor is a strong word.. I think he made things more intuitive which in the end made technology more accessable to the beer drinking, hot chick chasing, non nyak nyak.. motherboard.. mainframe population.

SHADOW-XIII said,
Just love laughing to Steve's texts ....
He believed he was an inventor, but never actually invented anything himself!
We hear over and over that he kept complaining about others doing same as he did ...

So your saying SJ didn't invent products like the iPhone which was his own brainchild ? I own a PC and I'm not an apple fanboy but the iPhone and iPod revolutionized smartphones and mp3 players. If it wouldn't have been for the iPhone competitors wouldnt have been challenged to come up with their own smartphones and innovative products. The truth is Apple has done much to revolutionize technology today. Don't dis because you don't like apple. w

SHADOW-XIII said,
Just love laughing to Steve's texts ....
He believed he was an inventor, but never actually invented anything himself!
We hear over and over that he kept complaining about others doing same as he did ...

rwoodhams said,
I think he made things more intuitive which in the end made technology more accessable to the beer drinking, hot chick chasing, non nyak nyak.. motherboard.. mainframe population.

Is funny how Apple products are more intuitive but... they are not. For example OSX require some keystroke to do some operation.

codyryanharrod said,
So your saying SJ didn't invent products like the iPhone which was his own brainchild ? I own a PC and I'm not an apple fanboy but the iPhone and iPod revolutionized smartphones and mp3 players. If it wouldn't have been for the iPhone competitors wouldnt have been challenged to come up with their own smartphones and innovative products. The truth is Apple has done much to revolutionize technology today. Don't dis because you don't like apple. w

he was talking about the underlying invention itself; of the smartphone, or the MP3 player, not the iPhone/iPod (specific examples of each). Altho I do agree with you, he could have used less-strong wording

Good on you, Bill. I'm still waiting for all the Dennis Ritchie articles to be posted. RIP to a true innovator and class act.

Some geek fever on here at the moment.

So what did jobs( or his company) do ? Made some computers , music players and some phones ....wow !! Big fu**ing deal.

Did he cure cancer ? Obviously not.
Instigate world peace ? Nope.
End world famine ? Not a chance.
Create vaccines that would save countless people from death ? Same as above.

No , neither did Gates. All they did was made some gadgets that , to be honest are not vital to human existence. Why do people treat these like demi gods ? Jobs was just a man and died the same as anyone else will....The world still keeps spinning ,life remains the same for us all.

I know its a tech site , but seriously some people need to get a perspective on real life sometimes.

seanseany said,
Some geek fever on here at the moment.

So what did jobs( or his company) do ? Made some computers , music players and some phones ....wow !! Big fu**ing deal.

Did he cure cancer ? Obviously not.
Instigate world peace ? Nope.
End world famine ? Not a chance.
Create vaccines that would save countless people from death ? Same as above.

No , neither did Gates. All they did was made some gadgets that , to be honest are not vital to human existence. Why do people treat these like demi gods ? Jobs was just a man and died the same as anyone else will....The world still keeps spinning ,life remains the same for us all.

I know its a tech site , but seriously some people need to get a perspective on real life sometimes.


nothing on that list is vital for human existance
Both Jobs and Gates made it possible for you to reply here on neowin, to use a graphical interface, to have computing available for the average village idiot. And both did more then you ever will!

Shadowzz said,

Both Jobs and Gates made it possible for you to reply here on neowin, to use a graphical interface, to have computing available for the average village idiot. And both did more then you ever will!

If you look at apples policies, then it is clear that had Gates not shown up, computers would still be toys for the rich. So it is Gates that made computing available to the masses.

Bill is a good human being while Steve Fail Jobs was not. He only wanted Apple to charge a premium price tag on ALL products while bill is more reasonable. Steve could have been more fair but he chose not to thus his junk is not worth it. lower prices=happier customers.

"Bill is basically unimaginative and has never invented anything"....

OK...

Apple did not invent the mouse and window interface, the engineers at Xerox did.
Apple did not invent the mobile phone.
Apple did not develop Siri, they bought the company that did.
The Mac OSX operating system is based on FreeBSD so Apple didn't make that either.

Pot, kettle?!

mjedi7 said,
""its mobile phone operating system are still well behind Apple's iOS.""
So true

I strongly disagree....your comment about it being "so true" is not correct...

It is subjective opinion...

I happen to opine that win7.5 poops over ios...

of course, they both fundamentally offer similar /same functionality

WP7 said,

I strongly disagree....your comment about it being "so true" is not correct...

It is subjective opinion...

I happen to opine that win7.5 poops over ios...

of course, they both fundamentally offer similar /same functionality

+1

mjedi7 said,
""its mobile phone operating system are still well behind Apple's iOS.""
So true

It has a long way to go as far as crashing as often. I've had my Win7 phone for most of the year, have yet to reset it.

They're both rubbish. I know.. I had both.

WP7 said,

I strongly disagree....your comment about it being "so true" is not correct...

It is subjective opinion...

I happen to opine that win7.5 poops over ios...

of course, they both fundamentally offer similar /same functionality

You could argue both have done wonders for the world. Gates for making computing ubiqutous and Jobs buy making touch-screen devices so easy to use.

KingCrimson said,
You could argue both have done wonders for the world. Gates for making computing ubiqutous and Jobs buy making touch-screen devices so easy to use.

to bad 99% of the people are like you.thinking of Apple only as the creator of touch devices

Shadowzz said,

to bad 99% of the people are like you.thinking of Apple only as the creator of touch devices

i'd love o agree with you, but he did add "SO EASY TO USE", which is clearly stating that he understands apple didn't invent touchscreen devices, but they did bring them to the realitve mainstream

2 thieves in a pod... one managed to steal from the other, guess which 1? ;-/
Melinda, smart woman, married a rich thief. Bill better because of her? Naaah [a tiger may change his/her colors, but never his/her ways], but a little wiser, turned from rich thief into retired philanthropist.
Best thing these 2 thieves ever did... started charities for the sick, poor + uneducated. Stolen money/profits return to those in need, 1 way or another. ;-)

v1ewer said,
2 thieves in a pod... one managed to steal from the other, guess which 1? ;-/
Melinda, smart woman, married a rich thief. Bill better because of her? Naaah [a tiger may change his/her colors, but never his/her ways], but a little wiser, turned from rich thief into retired philanthropist.
Best thing these 2 thieves ever did... started charities for the sick, poor + uneducated. Stolen money/profits return to those in need, 1 way or another. ;-)

Gates a thief?
I'd love to see you have more knowledge then him, I for one, would love to see who's the better programmer, you or Gates =D
Gates was a hacker with a vision. And like you NEVER stole ANY idea, custom or habbit from anyone else... don't make me laugh =)

v1ewer said,

Wow! Bill doesn't think increasing the taxes for the richest 1% would make a difference. A true republican/conservator, defending his own, richest 1% "skin". True colors, Bill, true colors!

that's not what he said. he said it wouldn't be enough. he in fact says "i'm generally in favor of the idea that the rich should pay somewhat more, but.... ... that's not enough"

v1ewer said,

Wow! Bill doesn't think increasing the taxes for the richest 1% would make a difference. A true republican/conservator, defending his own, richest 1% "skin". True colors, Bill, true colors!

Well, it hardly would. LOL

v1ewer said,

Wow! Bill doesn't think increasing the taxes for the richest 1% would make a difference. A true republican/conservator, defending his own, richest 1% "skin". True colors, Bill, true colors!

Bill Gates is *not* a conservative. Just because you aren't a hipster douche like Jobs and his users doesn't mean you're conservative. He probably meant the government would continue to recklessly spend way more than they take in, even if they raised taxes.

v1ewer said,

Wow! Bill doesn't think increasing the taxes for the richest 1% would make a difference. A true republican/conservator, defending his own, richest 1% "skin". True colors, Bill, true colors!

Maybe he needs to pay more so you can learn some comprehension skills.

v1ewer said,

Wow! Bill doesn't think increasing the taxes for the richest 1% would make a difference. A true republican/conservator, defending his own, richest 1% "skin". True colors, Bill, true colors!

Because it won't. if you knew math, you would see raising taxes on wealthy people wont solve the issue. Its the poor tax code, allow US corps to sell jobs overseas. When jobs go overseas, less money is paid in taxes. They shoudl force the corps to pay the same taxes no matter what country they reside in. But give them more breaks for keeping those jobs here.

Steve jobs: disrespectful theif, innovative, narrower audience business but more profit
Bill gates: respectful theif, not innovative, broader audience business but less profit

Edited by trojan_market, Oct 31 2011, 5:40pm :

S3P€hR said,
Steve jobs: disrespectful theif, innovative, narrower audience business but more profit
Bill gates: respectful theif, not innovative, broader audience business but less profit

not an innovator? Wile Steve Jobs treated the PC as aspirational and IBM didn't think it was realistic for the average person to need or want a PC, Bill Gates worked to make it happen. I think people confuse invention with innovation. When MS had some good productivity tools and some that weren't as good as competitors but were still priced compared to the competition, he decided to sell it as a suite at a discount price..it's called Microsoft Office. Microsoft Works before that did the same thing, but made it so the common person could buy lite versions of premium software . Innovation can be the smallest things, some we don't even notice.

S3P€hR said,
Steve jobs: disrespectful theif, innovative, narrower audience business but more profit
Bill gates: respectful theif, not innovative, broader audience business but less profit

So...you mean DirectX, tablets, smartphones, the C# langauge (which is more popular even on non-Microsoft platforms), shader technologies used by both Apple and the Linux community, the Xbox, and Windows Phone were not innovative?

Wow...the RDF is strong with this one. O_O

PlogCF said,

So...you mean DirectX, tablets, smartphones, the C# langauge (which is more popular even on non-Microsoft platforms), shader technologies used by both Apple and the Linux community, the Xbox, and Windows Phone were not innovative?

Wow...the RDF is strong with this one. O_O


funny thing is your list is just a fraction of what MS has innovated =D

and Bill Gates didnt get hot chicks..

Walk down the street.. see how many hot chicks have macs.... compare that to how many cave trolls have a windows pc..

Just sayin...

S3P€hR said,
Steve jobs: disrespectful theif, innovative, narrower audience business but more profit
Bill gates: respectful theif, not innovative, broader audience business but less profit

rwoodhams said,
and Bill Gates didnt get hot chicks..

Walk down the street.. see how many hot chicks have macs.... compare that to how many cave trolls have a windows pc..

Just sayin...

Lol...yeah, chicks always have the latest fashion accessories.

I wouldn't put the title of Saint on either of them. They both spent most of their business lives being very hostile and cut throat. What turned Bill around? A lady named Melinda Ann French. Bill is a good man now because of her. And I suspect he would agree.

IceBreakerG said,
Behind every good man is a good woman. Sometimes the saying is very true.
Not for Jobs. You see that waste of skin and bones he called his wife?

What did Apple invent? Portable MP3 player? Nope. Tablets? Nope. Smartphones? Nope. They may have done a great job marketing these technologies to give the impression that Apple invented them, but they were simply refinements of previous products.

Fezmid said,
What did Apple invent? Portable MP3 player? Nope. Tablets? Nope. Smartphones? Nope. They may have done a great job marketing these technologies to give the impression that Apple invented them, but they were simply refinements of previous products.

They invented the reality distortion field generator.

Fezmid said,
What did Apple invent? Portable MP3 player? Nope. Tablets? Nope. Smartphones? Nope. They may have done a great job marketing these technologies to give the impression that Apple invented them, but they were simply refinements of previous products.

did microsoft invent any of those?
and just so you know, without apple, no GUI desktop for you!!! go back to your command line interface!
(yes it was xerox's invention, but xerox was going to let it die a fast death!)

Shadowzz said,

did microsoft invent any of those?
and just so you know, without apple, no GUI desktop for you!!! go back to your command line interface!
(yes it was xerox's invention, but xerox was going to let it die a fast death!)

But Apple didn't invent the GUI... and neither did Xerox. The Apple GUI was just one of many--MANY concepts for interacting with software, and compared to today's OSes, it doesn't even qualify as a desktop environment (there was zero multitasking, after all).

The computer mouse predates Apple by over a decade, and is arguably the true inspiration for all pointer-centric interfaces that followed. If Apple hadn't existed, another approach would've been developed. The concept of and demand for multitasking capabilities already existed and developers were pursuing ways to implement them. Eventually computing would've hit a tipping point where the only innovation that COULD happen would be in the area of the GUI.

You'd be hard pressed to find an example in history of a technology invented by the first to imagine it. That's why imagination and invention are two separate things. Being the first to build something doesn't necessarily make you a visionary genius:

The finish line must exist before the winner can cross it.

Shadowzz said,

did microsoft invent any of those?
and just so you know, without apple and microsoft, no GUI desktop for you!!! go back to your command line interface!
(yes it was xerox's invention, but xerox was going to let it die a fast death!)

Fixed that for you

Also, Windows XP Tablet PC Edition, the first sort of mainstream tablet computer OS. So yea they sort of did invent one of them

Noah I think was the first. Sorry.. God.. you know 10 commandments written in stone!.. beat Microsoft and Apple by about what.. 10,000 years...

SharpGreen said,

Fixed that for you

Also, Windows XP Tablet PC Edition, the first sort of mainstream tablet computer OS. So yea they sort of did invent one of them

Shadowzz said,

did microsoft invent any of those?
and just so you know, without apple, no GUI desktop for you!!! go back to your command line interface!
(yes it was xerox's invention, but xerox was going to let it die a fast death!)
You just negated your own argument.

Its hard to get quotes from someone on their deathbed.
Sometimes the things said can be very truthful but other times they are fabrications of what really is/was felt due to the circumstances. With that said, alot of Jobs' views regarding other competitors/businesses/etc were very cynical, like he wanted to rule the tech industry all by himself.
As good of an ambition that this was, this sort of thing would never fly, not in the light that he wanted it to be done at least. Thank god for competition

What annoys me the most is how many call Jobs a tech-god. I could turn his opinion of Gates right back on him. Can think of many ideas that were available, which Apple piggybacked on. Bill Gates seems to have such a positive personality as he uses his rivals as a way of aiming higher, rather than chatting **** about others and trying to ban products. That's what I think.

drazgoosh said,
What annoys me the most is how many call Jobs a tech-god. I could turn his opinion of Gates right back on him. Can think of many ideas that were available, which Apple piggybacked on. Bill Gates seems to have such a positive personality as he uses his rivals as a way of aiming higher, rather than chatting **** about others and trying to ban products. That's what I think.

famously steve was so much of a "tech god" that he repeatedly had to turn to his best friend to ask him to do his work for him. As an example, Job (an atari employee) got Wozniak (a HP employee) to work on and complete the hardware design for a new arcade game, where Jobs took the credit, and the bonus for doing a good job.

honestly, the more i read of the biography the more i despise the man.

I think that is a very good reply. In 200 years, Bill will have a deeper legacy because IMO, he is a better human being.
If all starving, illiterate kids in Africa or Asia or elsewhere can have something to eat & have an education, it will most probably produce, 1000s, millions of people many times capable than Steve Jobs. If such people already had those facilities, we could already have had something way better than iPods & iPhones & iPads & all the other i's..
Ofcourse, Jobs contributed in his own way, but by commenting on what others are doing, he showed his true worth [& I will not pass any judgement on that; to each one's own].
A befitting reply.

I wish I could be more like Bill Gates. He is so respectful even after all those bitter things Jobs said. It takes a special person to take all that in and still be able to say something nice.

I say many bad things about Steve Jobs and his company. I can't resist, but I can at least say it's based on 8+ years of experience as an Apple customer.

- Sent from my Macbook Pro (running Windows 7)

Enron said,
I wish I could be more like Bill Gates. He is so respectful even after all those bitter things Jobs said. It takes a special person to take all that in and still be able to say something nice.

I say many bad things about Steve Jobs and his company. I can't resist, but I can at least say it's based on 8+ years of experience as an Apple customer.

- Sent from my Macbook Pro (running Windows 7)

Because Bill Gates knows he was more sucessful longer. Has way more money, and Gates is just a mature adult. While Jobs is a hateful little boy.

I'm not sure whey the last paragraph needs to be included in this article.
For Bill's comments, he's just being respectful. Steve Jobs was a great man, an ******* and a business visionary.

I do agree that Bill would have been a little more well rounded if he dropped some LSD.

He would have gotten more chicks... thats for sure

dotf said,
I'm not sure whey the last paragraph needs to be included in this article.
For Bill's comments, he's just being respectful. Steve Jobs was a great man, an ******* and a business visionary.

I do agree that Bill would have been a little more well rounded if he dropped some LSD.

ZeroHour said,
Steve's book should be called an AutoTroll not autobiography.

It would have to just be "Troll" then since it's just a biography.

</troll>

yazb123 said,

Why are people comparing Steve Jobs to Hitler?

Like Hitler, Jobs was responsible for the deaths of over 6 million people.

It's nice to see, though not surprising, that he would take the high road. He's always been the more mature of the two...

M_Lyons10 said,
It's nice to see, though not surprising, that he would take the high road. He's always been the more mature of the two...
Not only more mature, a better businessman overall, and a better human being. At least Bill Gates put his money to use. What has Steve Jobs done for the world? Absolutely nothing. Steve jobs is an arrogant dick. All he apparently did is talk **** about people. I have no idea why people even compare the ****** to Einstein or other great people in history. He did absolutely nothing that deserves any praise whatsoever.

tsupersonic said,
Not only more mature, a better businessman overall, and a better human being. At least Bill Gates put his money to use. What has Steve Jobs done for the world? Absolutely nothing. Steve jobs is an arrogant dick. All he apparently did is talk **** about people. I have no idea why people even compare the ****** to Einstein or other great people in history. He did absolutely nothing that deserves any praise whatsoever.

Steve Jobs did do charity, however he was very private about it. If you compare what level, Gates Foundations does a lot of good around the world, however the situation was Bill retired from MS and went in to goodwill, Jobs was actively running apple up till his health ran out so it's hard to do a comparison.

tsupersonic said,
Not only more mature, a better businessman overall, and a better human being. At least Bill Gates put his money to use. What has Steve Jobs done for the world? Absolutely nothing. Steve jobs is an arrogant dick. All he apparently did is talk **** about people. I have no idea why people even compare the ****** to Einstein or other great people in history. He did absolutely nothing that deserves any praise whatsoever.

Wow, do you honestly believe all that garbage? You do realize you are talking about Steve Jobs, right? Founder of Apple? I think you need to tone down on the Jobs hatred and learn more common sense...

Astra.Xtreme said,

Wow, do you honestly believe all that garbage? You do realize you are talking about Steve Jobs, right? Founder of Apple? I think you need to tone down on the Jobs hatred and learn more common sense...

So what? Steve wasn't god. He was arrogant, had bad attitude. And this is a forum, anyone can post his/her opinions. People say **** about bill gates all the time, no one complain back, even though he is a great guy.

simrat said,

So what? Steve wasn't god. He was arrogant, had bad attitude. And this is a forum, anyone can post his/her opinions. People say **** about bill gates all the time, no one complain back, even though he is a great guy.

What does that have to do with anything? Did you even read the comment that I quoted? Obviously not. Saying Jobs did nothing for the world is complete non-sense. Sure he was an arrogant *******, but that's how you succeed in business. 99% of the nice guys finish last. Gates just so happens to be in that 1%.

Astra.Xtreme said,

What does that have to do with anything? Did you even read the comment that I quoted? Obviously not.

Lemme quote something from your last comment

You do realize you are talking about Steve Jobs, right? Founder of Apple?

I never said he didn't contributed to tech world. I was just replying to what you said. People have their beliefs and they can say whatever they want here. Whatever type of guy he was, i respect him for his contribution but treating him like some god is pure nonsense.

Astra.Xtreme said,

What does that have to do with anything? Did you even read the comment that I quoted? Obviously not. Saying Jobs did nothing for the world is complete non-sense. Sure he was an arrogant *******, but that's how you succeed in business. 99% of the nice guys finish last. Gates just so happens to be in that 1%.


you forgot how aggressive Gates has been and always is in the bussiness?
Jobs is nowhere near to the aggressiveness and d-bagness as Gates was in the bussiness.
Jobs wasnt a horrible guy, he had to be, same with Gates.
They both changed the computing world, unmeaserable who did more. Dont even try to compare them. They where both at the infant shoes of home computing, without any of these 2 gentlemen, home computing, laptops, cell phones, tablets etc. wouldnt be as they are today.

simrat said,

Lemme quote something from your last comment

I never said he didn't contributed to tech world. I was just replying to what you said. People have their beliefs and they can say whatever they want here. Whatever type of guy he was, i respect him for his contribution but treating him like some god is pure nonsense.

Why do you keep saying that people treat him as a god? Nothing in here has implied that anybody is praising him to that extent. I'm sure people think of Gates as a god too, but who cares? Any yes, we know that everybody has an opinion. Nothing wrong with that. But the comment I made was aimed towards a childish remark he made. He obviously didn't know what he was talking about, so I set it straight. That's it.

etempest said,

Steve Jobs did do charity, however he was very private about it. If you compare what level, Gates Foundations does a lot of good around the world, however the situation was Bill retired from MS and went in to goodwill, Jobs was actively running apple up till his health ran out so it's hard to do a comparison.

No it isn't. Bill Gates serves on Microsoft's board. He is still part of many of the operations of the company. He is not going to let Ballmer run MSFT alone.

He even stated, he himself was behind the aquisition of Skype.

tsupersonic said,
Not only more mature, a better businessman overall, and a better human being. At least Bill Gates put his money to use. What has Steve Jobs done for the world? Absolutely nothing. Steve jobs is an arrogant dick. All he apparently did is talk **** about people. I have no idea why people even compare the ****** to Einstein or other great people in history. He did absolutely nothing that deserves any praise whatsoever.

Two questions.

1) What have you done for the world?

2) How much of your money have you given to charities?

...

etempest said,

Steve Jobs did do charity, however he was very private about it. If you compare what level, Gates Foundations does a lot of good around the world, however the situation was Bill retired from MS and went in to goodwill, Jobs was actively running apple up till his health ran out so it's hard to do a comparison.


Please don't appologise for Steve Jobs.. State your conveniently "private" references. Steve banned ALL Philanthropy within Apple in 1997 as a "Cost saving measure" and it has still NOT been reinstated since the company is now so profitable (And was back in 1997 as well). This is not a very charitable action for a man who received the gift of a liver transplant. The only amazing thing SJ has done is to show how we can convince millions of people to buy his products. Apple has never created many things itself, which has shown in the lack of intellectual property defences Apple has against competitors like Android.

tsupersonic said,
Not only more mature, a better businessman overall, and a better human being. At least Bill Gates put his money to use. What has Steve Jobs done for the world? Absolutely nothing. Steve jobs is an arrogant dick. All he apparently did is talk **** about people.

As proof between the two, I don't remember Bill Gates lying, in a court of law, saying he was sterile and couldn't father children simply to get out of paying support to his child and her mother. Oh, my bad, that was Steve Jobs.

t_r_nelson said,
"He just shamelessly ripped off other people's ideas."

...uhmmmm....riiiight....

Yeah, the distortion field was in full effect I'd say...

M_Lyons10 said,

Yeah, the distortion field was in full effect I'd say...

Amazingly, the RDF was so strong in fact, that it even worked on Jobs himself. Now that's some powerful stuff!

Bill Gates is a far better man than Steve Jobs ever was. Bill is still helping the world while Steve was still in his sickbed bitter about the fact that Bill, just like him, had the nerve to steal from Xerox.

MindTrickz said,
Bill Gates is a far better man than Steve Jobs ever was. Bill is still helping the world while Steve was still in his sickbed bitter about the fact that Bill, just like him, had the nerve to steal from Xerox.

Although I personally have a very great respect for both, let me remind you that just cause someone does not publicly states his contributions does not mean he or she does none, as an example Ayrton Senna never said while alive how much of his money went to helping his country's children, Steve Jobs probably did the same....but that point is irrelevant there is no rule about it, what amount of money in your pocket obligates you to be a philanthropist?, why do people care if famous people give away money or don't?, how can you tell if they are really making the contributions or if it's just a publicity maneuver? what about politicians and church leaders they don't give away their money neither the rest of the top 1% of the world population (which are the wealthiest) unless that means tax cuts, but they can get away with greed right?.

Steve Jobs was no better than any of us, He made a lot of mistakes and probably most of us wouldn't like him after meeting him in person after all, he is not excluded of being a D-bag, but definitely was no Caligula or Hitler, and during his lifetime many of his achievements made possible for us to have great tools to work and have fun, whether he did it just for the money or not, well I don't care and neither should any reasonable person, If you compare two geniuses of the tech industry to each other well you just have to choose any of their flaws or skills and anyone can come up as a tyrant or a hero.

Meconio said,
....what about politicians and church leaders they don't give away their money ....

I agreed with most of your comment, but the part about church leaders. I know our church supports mission trips (helping poor with housing and food) and donations to other charities.

LaserWraith said,

I agreed with most of your comment, but the part about church leaders. I know our church supports mission trips (helping poor with housing and food) and donations to other charities.

it was a generalization i'm sure...not all politicians are bad, nor are all church or other religious factions. the point is simply that the publicity seems to overshadow the actual contribution that's made.

MindTrickz said,
Bill Gates is a far better man than Steve Jobs ever was. Bill is still helping the world while Steve was still in his sickbed bitter about the fact that Bill, just like him, had the nerve to steal from Xerox.

Based on facts I found. Both Steve Jobs and Bill Gates saw the work did at PARC. Steve Jobs is the only one that stole what he saw. Mostly thr GUI. Gates stated in his own words, that all of what he saw he was not impressed with, and felt he could certainly do better.

And they did. Steve Jobs stole the GUI concept from Xerox, Microsoft did not.

Meconio said,

Although I personally have a very great respect for both, let me remind you that just cause someone does not publicly states his contributions does not mean he or she does none, ...blah blah....

Please don't appologise for Steve Jobs.. Steve banned ALL Philanthropy within Apple in 1997 as a "Cost saving measure" and it has still NOT been reinstated since the company is now so profitable (And was back in 1997 as well). This is not a very charitable action for a man who received the gift of a liver transplant. The only amazing thing SJ has done is to show how we can convince millions of people to buy his products. Apple has never created many things itself, which has shown in the lack of intellectual property defences Apple has against competitors like Android.

Arpit said,

it was a generalization i'm sure...not all politicians are bad, nor are all church or other religious factions. the point is simply that the publicity seems to overshadow the actual contribution that's made.

Yeah, I was just generalizing, I don't have any proof that 100% of them are bad, but my point is that only because you hear or read that someone is a philanthropist or someone is not does not make it truth, and how immature and unproductive is to waste your time arguing whether someone is or isn't a better person than other just cause you like him.

I like my iPod touch which I sync on my PC running win7/linux and my only concern is whether I can and want to spend money on a given product, but most of the people just love to argue why the products or brands that they prefer are better than the ones others do.

MindTrickz said,
Bill Gates is a far better man than Steve Jobs ever was. Bill is still helping the world while Steve was still in his sickbed bitter about the fact that Bill, just like him, had the nerve to steal from Xerox.

If you think that Steve Jobs is a pr-ck then it is clear you've never heard Larry Ellison or Scott McNealy - both of them would make Steve Jobs to appear like a living saint. There are two sorts of people in this world - those who achieve and like to boast/degrade other people and then there are those who achieve but are humble about it - no matter what field you go into you'll find that the former is more dominant than the later.

Meconio said,

Although I personally have a very great respect for both, let me remind you that just cause someone does not publicly states his contributions does not mean he or she does none, as an example Ayrton Senna never said while alive how much of his money went to helping his country's children...

the main difference being Ayrton was a kind, genuine person in public, evidently in his private life too. I'm part way through reading the biography of Steve Jobs. It's clear that all through his life he was particularly uncaring of anyone and only took, and took, and took. He cited an incident on a communal farm where he only saw greed in everyone, stealing from the kitchen as a major influrnce. Predating this he demanded his parents fork out money on him that they couldn't afford, and he didn't care that they put themselves in to poverty to support him. They asked him to re-consider which college he went to because it was too expensive and he still demanded his own way, and then through disrespect dropped out to become a hippy.. If he couldn't give a **** about his own family's welfare i doubt we'd see him donating any money to worthy causes... and all public information, even after death backs that up.

the guy was a dick. a dick that was quite good at persuading us all to part with our money.

Jst wanna take the opportunity to say "**** the Church"

it was a generalization i'm sure...not all politicians are bad, nor are all church or other religious factions. the point is simply that the publicity seems to overshadow the actual contribution that's made.[/quote]

Jst wanna take the opportunity to say "Fuqq the Church"

Arpit said,

it was a generalization i'm sure...not all politicians are bad, nor are all church or other religious factions. the point is simply that the publicity seems to overshadow the actual contribution that's made.