Blackberry 10 defeats Windows Phone 8 in browser face off!

RIM has it all to do. At one time, Microsoft was playing catch up in the smartphone race, but now RIM and their Blackberry 10 handsets are last to the party, following the iPhone 5, Windows Phone 8 devices and the flood of high end Android handsets.

But the video posted above shows that RIM is looking to make a serious impact in the mobile browser wars. With Android running Chrome, the iPhone running Safari and Windows Phone running IE, Blackberry needed to pull out of the stops to compete with those big three. And, from this video at least, it looks like they’ve succeeded.

While the tests weren’t performed in a controlled environment, they do go a long way in showing that the BB10 browser experience is one that, in its early build stage, can compete with Windows Phone 8’s IE10. BlackBerry’s Dev Alpha B was pitted against the HTC Windows Phone 8X, due to the similarities in spec of each device.

With three tests performed, the BB10 browser trumped IE10 in all of them, with one of the pages failing to load/display on the 8X at all. The final test, The HTML5 Test, showed that IE10 on the 8X scored 320 and six bonus points and the BB10 scored a whopping 485 and 11 bonus points. That score of 485 is tied for the highest score of any browser, both desktop and mobile variants. Not too shabby.

And just to test the score of the 8X, we tested the same HTML5 test as the author of the video did and got the same 320 plus six bonus points back.

Another video shows the same BB10 device trumping the iPhone 5, but the testing was not as thorough as with the 8X.

Source and Video: Gadget Masters

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AGAIN?

Why in the HELL is Neowin and ANY site letting people get away with using NON STANDARD HTML5 tests to TEST HTML5?

Are you this stupid? Seriously?

As for Blackberry being 'better' than WP8, then Blackberry is better than Windows 8 Pro as well, and I don't think anyone with sanity would consider it to be a better or more powerful browsing experience.

IE10 on Windows 8 Pro/Server 2012 gets the SAME score as WP8.

This TEST has been DEBUNKED 100 times as not being accurate, relevant and not even testing the actual STANDARDS.

How about this, when did W3C add these to HTML5?

Ogg Theora support
No ✘

WebM support
No ✘

WebGL support
No ✘

They didn't, so why would anyone respect a test that uses this crap to measure the functionality of a browser.

And WebGL, really, still? Even though virtually EVERY security expert in the WORLD has screamed how DANGEROUS it is, let alone it ruins the portability of HTML5 content because OpenGL is not even consistent platform to platform.


Maybe we should all require HTML5 browser test to complete and 'beat' IE9 or IE10 on all the tests on http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/ ?

Because if did use these metrics as a true test of HTML5 compliance and PERFORMANCE then Chrome, Firefox, let alone the Mobile versions will have a hard time explaining to their users how and why IE9 and IE10 is over 500 times faster on some tests, especially rich graphically dynamic CSS3 and SVG content.

There is TRUE HTML5 content that will run faster on a WP8 device than will run in Chrome or Firefox on the highest end i7 Desktop, and that is saying something for the scalability and general performance of what really matters.


So IE10 on Windows 8 and Windows Server 2012 gets the SAME SCORE, and IE10 is picking up a lot of users because of its HTML5 support and speed. Yet it is not as 'wonderful' as the Blackberry browser, really?

This is also important, as Windows 8's HTML rendering engine is IE10 and built into the WinRT framework and is what developers are ALSO using to write FULL Apps on Windows 8.

Wow...


STUPID STUPID STUPID

Why does the guy start off with the BB on the left and the HTC on the right then swap them round

Also had a good play around with the WP8 offerings from both HTC and Nokia today and i must say the HTC ones do feel a bit cheap compared to the Nokia. Still the`re just smart phones and personally i don`t think the newer smart phones are that much better than the previous offerings, except for maybe a few...

good video however there is a PROBLEM it is mentioned html5test.com is about speed at the end of the video but its really not. its about supporting HTML 5 stuff. by the way hardware acceleration is also important as well as html5 support. for example Maxthon is marked as the king of HTML 5 in html5test.com but it is not a good browser due to the lack of hardware acceleration support. but considering BlackBerry uses webkit it doesn't matter in the end and good job for BlackBerry. Really Microsoft should think about its browser fast. If I were them I would adapt webkit browser engine the way google did and make a new browser.

S3P€hR said,
If I were them I would adapt webkit browser engine the way google did and make a new browser.

Technically webkit is a generation behind the concepts used in the IE engine.

It would be like recommending that Apple dump OS X and use System 8 or Microsoft dump NT to use Windows 95.

Why is there such a huge difference? Well if you ever go to the IETestDrive site with all three browsers and run some of the TRUE HTML5 content tests, you will find Firefox and Chrome have trouble keeping up with IE10, and sometimes they are 10,20,100,500 times SLOWER than IE10.

You should research this before offering this recommendation, because you might find why IE9/10 is DIFFERENT to be interesting.

IE9/10 use a new model that instead of 'displaying' content, it literally takes even how it is pulling the data from the HTTP server and starts treating ALL CONTENT like code. It then takes ALL the content and converts as much as possible to actual CODE.

So for an example in IE9/10 things that CSS is doing is no longer being updated by a host application 'displaying' the changes, it is actual code that is running.

This is where the 'generational' jump happens.

Webkit and Firefox and Opera are all just Applications displaying 'content'. IE on the other hand is a 'compiler' technology that is RUNNING content.

This also has additional implications as IE can make better use of threading and scheduling and also opens up the 'compiled' sites to then be able to use GPU resources and other features that would not yield any improvement in speed if they were being funneled through a 'document/display' model like Webkit.

Look at Firefox and its Direct2D rendering, it still is not even close to IE9/10 on heavy graphical and dynamic sites. This is because IE9/10's GPU usage is above and beyond using the new APIs for rendering, as it can and DOES thread out to the GPU for GP-GPU operations. It does this when the GPU can provide the results faster, but also can shove it out to an extra CPU core if the GPU wouldn't be faster. (This is also possible because of NT's GPU scheduling technologies that other OSes DO NOT YET HAVE.)


So a document/display engine technology is old compared to a compile/run engine technology and why Microsoft made the leap to the NEW model.

This new model is also why and how Windows 8 Apps can be fully HTML5 and run nearly as fast as native code Apps, and why IE10 is an integrated part of the WinRT framework.

Is it me or does this news item got the most comments of people who are now saying that IE sucks and BB is the best? Not to mention that most of these contains lot of caps.

Oh well, I prefer a stable browser above one that aims to support everything there is..

Since they are both using the same WiFi, wouldn't that interfere with the tests?
How do you ensure that they are both being allotted exactly 50% of the bandwidth, all the time?

faceoff testing 2 sites only without any information of network settings , background apps running or so. Also the words like crushes and beats are way too strong. I'll wait for a better test

ok.. lets discuss this point by point in this "special showdown"...

1.) unlocking the phone.
you're talking about how hard it is to unlock a windows phone.. by turning it on and then swiping.. this is every other device.. don't make it sound like a windows device defect.. iphone you have to turn on then swipe.. same with android.

2.) browser test speeds
you do realize that it took the BB10 7 seconds to start loading the page... what the hell internet connection are you on? I counted 7 seconds on the video so there is no denying that. windows phone loaded it about 1 seconds later.. more like half a second..

I guess for this point also, note that the windows phone browser actually shows the text where as the BB10 browser is zoomed way the hell out and you can't actually see anything that was rendered. It honestly looks as if they almost loaded different versions of the same site, or rather the IE10 rendering engine optimized the site for mobile view and the BB10 browser just showed the site as if you were on a 19" desktop monitor. Not to mention, loading this site on my windows phone took 5 seconds, whereas using google chrome's web browser took me 6... perhaps you should optimize your site's code?

for allur.com, my windows phone was able to load the site with no problems in about 6 seconds. I guess you can say the BB10 is faster since it goes to a blank screen first.. which doesn't even matter.

3.) html5test.com speed
ummmm.. you realize that html5test.com tests HTML 5 feature support, and has absolutely nothing to do with browser speed.. right? just want to make sure that's apparent..

narv said,
ok.. lets discuss this point by point in this "special showdown"...

1.) unlocking the phone.
you're talking about how hard it is to unlock a windows phone.. by turning it on and then swiping.. this is every other device.. don't make it sound like a windows device defect.. iphone you have to turn on then swipe.. same with android.

Being able to unlock the phone without having to reposition your hands to find the power button was one of my favorite features of the N9. The feature is especially appreciated if you're using an 8X which has a power button that's difficult to press and also places that power button at the top of an unusually tall device. the unlock is a legitimate feature, why shouldn't he mention it.

Hm... Odd video.

So, with the first test, BB loads the page first, but WP8 actually loads the content. So, in my mind, it doesn't matter if BB is faster at loading pages, but doesn't load the actual content that I want to read...

The browser test site gives the BB browser a higher score, but takes longer to load... And not only that, the BB's handling of the text on this site is a bit off and it gets cut off...

I dunno, to be quite honest, this did not say to me that BB defeated anybody.

Ben White said,
Am I the only one who thinks that comparing a dev device and retail device could lead to inaccurate results..

Agreed.

yowanvista said,
The M$ fanboy defense patrol is in denial.. As usual.
Nope! I am not so much in denial but I call FOUL all the way! I just repeated the same test on my L710 as well as on my Ativ S. Both of my devices smoked the guy's phones by many seconds - not only over Wi-Fi but also over 2G data!

yowanvista said,
The M$ fanboy defense patrol is in denial.. As usual.

The video doesn't make it look like they beat anyone either. LOL I don't think anyone really needs to argue WP's merits on this one. LOL

**** off RIM. You had your chance, you ruined it by leaving BIS on your devices.

Disclaimer: Owned 5 BB devices. Used to love BB.

I never used one, I did not like them; always used WM devices, IMO still the best overall.
Said that I began buying RIM shares a couple of months ago and I will continue doing, at least for a while.
At the moment seems a by far better investment than MS ones, in a short term scenario.
I might be biased about what I use but as far as money goes I am agnostic....

Cute James said,
1. Buy a tripod.
2. Don't swap the position of the phones after the intro.

OMG, # 2 really frustrated me. LOL

And #3, post something in which your browser actually properly renders THE SAME content, FASTER. In some of those tests, BB wasn't faster, in others it wasn't properly rendered (Or the same content - Not sure which).

I'm getting excited about BB10, I hope they nail it out of the park...always had respect for Blackberry, they always stick to their script and keep it original

I seen the video and was readying my comment "WOWZZ it wins by a nano-second" ... thinking that the difference must really be next to nothing... but seriously Microsoft, you just got burned.

Uplift said,
I seen the video and was readying my comment "WOWZZ it wins by a nano-second" ... thinking that the difference must really be next to nothing... but seriously Microsoft, you just got burned.

Well, WP loaded the browser test page faster, and though it was slower rendering the first website, WP actually rendered the content, which BB did not... LOL So, what's the point if it doesn't read what you actually want to read?

pirajoc said,
there is also a video where bb crushes iphone 5 but no,neowin needs to bash only windows
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjBppA7qDd4

This test just exposes the stupidity of these HTML5 benchmark sites.

BB10 gets a higher score, but when you look at the rendering which one is correct and usable ?
( Look at 2:20 ) BB10 or iPhone 5?

Glassed Silver said,

I find it ridiculous that you think Neowin has something against Windows.
As if the iPhone was Neowin's nestling!

Bro, seriously, read more on Neowin and use less imagination.

GS:mac

Neowin doesn't have a systematic bias, and even most of the contributors would rate themselves as 'fair'.

The problem happens when they jump into technical discussions and get in over their heads. This is where they can be mislead by other writers (which is where they get the majority of their content.)

You can find this even in prized Microsoft evangelists that get in over their head. Paul Thurrot is another good example, he often fails to grasp the bigger picture and then concludes with inaccurate information that can be highly misleading. He still has an article on his website about Windows RT (WOA) where he says that Microsoft will have to create a 'separate' version of NT for every ARM processor, and goes on to explain that this is because of the NT Kernel and the HAL. Which is not only wrong, it is the EXACT OPPOSITE of the truth.

(In reality, the HAL is why Microsoft DID NOT have to create a 'separate' version of NT for every ARM processor, and in fact, the NT code itself is even the same binaries from device to device, as it is only the HAL that needs to change, making it EASY to provide support for all ARM devices.

Neowin has no conscious either way, but people are people and when it comes to highly technical things like OS theory and engineering topics, it is easy for people to find themselves over their head and not take the time to double check the information they are REPEATING.

(Mary Jo from ZD/CNet is another example, as it took nearly TWO years for people that she trusted and knew personally to convince her that MinWin was NOT a new OS, instead was a project to go back to traditional NT concepts and re-layer the OS as it was originally designed. This is another example of getting in over their heads and then getting caught up in their 'beliefs' instead of what is reality.)


Wow look at BB crunching web pages. Microsoft still can't make a truly competitive browser. Your apps suck, at least give us a decent web browser so we can use the web...

Obry said,
Wow look at BB crunching web pages. Microsoft still can't make a truly competitive browser. Your apps suck, at least give us a decent web browser so we can use the web...

Stupid tests, the bb10 browser doesn't even render pages correctly! Did you notice that BB10 page looked like crap @ 1:35

Plus the page loading error is a server error not and error from the phone.

Neowin should not be re-posting dumb stuff from other websites without noticing basic errors like this.

Edited by Deviate_X, Dec 20 2012, 1:07pm :

I don't know if it's bias or what, but the progress bar was still there on bb10 browser even though the tester said bb10 was finished. and to me they both seem to finish at the same time, however bb10 browser start showing content first.

Deviate_X said,

Stupid tests, the bb10 browser doesn't even render pages correctly! Did you notice that BB10 page looked like crap @ 1:35

Plus the page loading error is a server error not and error from the phone.

Neowin should not be re-posting dumb stuff from other websites without noticing basic errors like this.

Agreed. This video is a joke honestly.

Since wen is it a browser bug as the server can't respond? Also, BB10 scores more at html5test.com, but IE10 is more standard-compliant then BB10... Ugh, wortless video.

neo327 said,

are you smoking , they tested the browser , not internet speed, hey the html5 score of the iphone 5 is 386, and the score for the BB10 is 484, now what are you going to say

html5test doesn't test speed nor standard compliance.

it just counts the number of features the browsers claim to implement.
whether the implementation is standard compliant or broken doesn't matter on this test. A broken support count as much as a proper support, which is completely ridiculous.

only morons compare browsers by their score on html5test.

neo327 said,
HEY BEN , GO GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT

Ben is right, the pages are very slow to load on both devices, it looks like the problem is slow network connection.

it doesn't compare the speed at which browser effectively render pages once they are downloaded from the server.

worst, the reviewer is a complete moron because when a site fails to load on IE because of a server side error, he thinks it is a browser bug.

that's the most ridiculous review/reviewer ever.

By "Content heavy" did they mean non-optimised, non-standards compliant and chuck full of ads?

The site loads like crap on Windows 8 i7 laptop, IE10, and a 40mbit connection.