Blu-ray Burning Its High-def DVD Rival

Trade publication Home Media Magazine has released figures, based on studio estimates and Nielsen VideoScan point-of-sale data, which conclude that in the first quarter, 70% of high definition movies were in the Blu-ray Disc format and 30% were HD DVDs. More specifically, from January 1-March 31, consumers bought almost 1.2 million high-definition discs (832,530 Blu-ray units and 359,300 HD DVDs). Blu-ray reportedly took the lead in February, and its percentage of total sales accelerated to the point where it accounted for nearly three out of every four high-definition discs sold in March (335,980 Blu-ray discs vs. 119,570 HD DVD discs).

Research also shows that eight of the 10 top-selling high-definition titles in the first quarter were on Blu-ray Disc. At the top of the list was "Casino Royale", which sold through to consumers an estimated 59,680 units in the period. Warner Home Video released "The Departed" on February 13, in both formats. The Blu-ray Disc edition of the movie finished second (53,640 copies sold by end of March 31), while the HD DVD version of that Oscar-winning film placed third (31,590 copies).

HD DVD launched in April 2006, while Blu-ray got rolling two months later. Since then, more than 2.14 million discs have been purchased by consumers: 1.2 million Blu-ray Discs and about 937,500 HD DVDs.

News source: eWeek

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People that are desperate for hi-def are a joke. Want to see things with realistic clarity?

GO OUTSIDE

Boz did a very good job of outlining stuff. Right now Blu-Ray's storage capacity is great but I want HD-DVD to prevail. It seems like less excess and a natural progression from DVD.

Hey boz,
You act like have have millions invested in hd-dvd. You need to grow up buddy. Just give me hi-def and I don't care what format wins. You guys that are die hards for one format are a joke. Unless you have millions invested in one format, why have such anger towards one format? I will go with either or borh format as long as I have Hi-def.

HD-DVD supporters..Blu-Ray people don't get it and they never will until the end, just don't argue, they don't get it. I'm glad they are wasting money on Blu-Ray.

Let's stop with technology superiority once and for all shall we:

HD-DVD:
- No Regional coding
- More flexible licensing by HD-DVD Group
- Current max capacity: 30GB (dual-layer)
- Disc Protection layer: 0.6mm
- Full 1080p resolution
- Data transfer rate (data) 36.55Mbps
- Data transfer rate (video/audio) 36.55Mbps
- Video resolution (max) - 1920x1080
- Audio technology: Linear PCM, Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, DTS Digital Surround, DTS-HD and it supports extensive metadata including dialogue normalization and dynamic range control

- iHD - highly interactive XML based system with network support, allowing PiP, Bookmarking, video mixing, online access for extendibility of a title (supported by computer software and hardware companies like Microsoft, HP, Intel).
iHD is an interactivity specification developed jointly by Microsoft and The Walt Disney Co. The XML-based interactive functionality provision is currently supported by the HD-DVD group and will be an integral part of Microsoft's upcoming Windows Vista operating system. This support in Windows Vista is definite whether or not any next generation optical disc formats support it. Since iHD is included in Windows Vista, manufacturers would be paying for the interactive layer in the cost of the operating system, saving them from having to pay royalties for the Interactive layer. This makes an effective difference for PC manufacturers that ship millions of new PCs each year.

Ultimately it comes down to user experience however. HP believes however that iHD would benefit not only companies such as itself, but consumers also.

- HD-DVD/regular DVD combo - compatibility on one disk (same disk plays in regular DVD and HD-DVD)

- Cheaper to produce as it doesn't require changes in manufacturing

- All players need to comply to HD-DVD group (1080i at least, HDi and TrueHD)

- Futureproofing: As per tested samples HD-DVD disks have been made up to 150gb

- Price for players on the market regardless whether they are add-ons or not (MSRP): $199-799 - MSRP because you can find HD-DVD player for $179 and Blu-Ray 1st gen player for $499 but these are limited quantities and don't count.

Blu-Ray

- Regional coding applied as with DVDs

- Stricter and more expensive licensing by Blu-Ray Association causing more expensive products
- Current max capacity: 50GB (dual-layer)
- Disc Protection layer: 0.1mm with hard-coating
- Full 1080p resolution
- Data transfer rate (data) 36.0Mbps
- Data transfer rate (video/audio) 54Mbps
- Video resolution (max) - 1920x1080
- Audio technology: Linear PCM, Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, DTS Digital Surround, DTS-HD

- BD-J is suppose to give some interactivity to BD titles however the specifications are still not firmly defined. It's still on paper and not officially supported by many Blu-Ray manufacturers.

- BD Disks only compatible with Blu-Ray players no combo/backwards compatibility on one disk

- More expensive to produce as manufacturers need to revamp their manufacturing plants completely to develop for Blu-Ray

- All players need to comply to Blu-Ray Association specifications (as of now some of those specs are not clear)

- Futureproofing: As per tested samples Blu-Ray disks have been made up to 200gb

- Price for players on the market regardless whether they are add-ons or not (MSRP): $599-1500, MSRP because you can find HD-DVD player for $179 and Blu-Ray 1st gen player for $499 but these are limited quantities and don't really count.

How anyone can see superior on Blu-Ray is beyond me really. The video/audio transfer rate is higher but that doesn't provide any better audio/video quality visually, the data transfer on other hand is actually slightly slightly higher on HD-DVD (36.55mbps). Higher storage at the moment only allows BD to encode in MPEG2 format which requires more space or to encode 2 versions of movies one with commentary and one without as they still don't have interactive features like HD-DVD.

Both formats give the same HD picture quality. Some of you people act like you have millions staked in one particular format. For me as a consumer just give me hi-def movies. I could care less about any of these companies. If both formats survive then I will get a dual format player. One other thing not mentioned is that a lot of people don't even buy movies but rather just rent them with netflix and blockbuster, etc. There are only a few movies that I care to own and watch over and over again.

Some of you need to grow up a bit.

Just as a point of interest, the statistics these estimates are based off come from Nielsen, right?

Well strangely enough, today I found an article debating their accuracy.

I'm not sating one way or another personally though, because at the moment DVD's outsell both formats combined sales since their launch, every single day.

DVD is here to stay for quite some time.

Best Buy and Circuit City here in the States are selling HD-DVD players 5:1 over the BD players. There may be more BD discs sold, but believe me, now that Tosh has dropped the XA1 to sub $400 and Walmart will have sub $300 standalones possibly by mid summer, things are going to take a turn. And other previously BD only hardware mfg's are going to produce either SA HD-DVD drives or, at least combos, HD-DVD is on the move up. The PS3 has not helped the BD cause that much. With a 1:3 disc attachment to it (and to the standalones as well) as opposed to a 3:1 disc attachment (on average) to the HD-DVD players sold (this does NOT include the 360 addon drive, either), you tell me who's in a better position to move ahead. As soon as the cheap players start selling well, the previously "exclusive" studios will start producing HD-DVD as well.

The BD players are WAY overpriced. THE technology in the HD-DVDs IS more advanced. Do you know why the BD discs have to be so large? Because to get the same quality from MPG2 codecs as HD-DVD's get from VC-1, the movies have to be huge and with a huge bitrate. For disc storage on a PC, I'd go with the BD right now if the burners weren't over $600. Also, one thing to remember about the PS3. It absolutely sucks when playing SD dvd's and WILL NOT UPCONVERT. ALL of the HD-DVD drives will. That is a HUGE difference. Lower prices and big sales numbers will bring the studios around.

No, just no. NEITHER of them are more advanced than the other. Its the studio's that are choosing to use different codec's on them. There is NOTHING stopping Blu-ray disks from using VC-1 if they want as its a required codec for blu-ray. Just because VC-1 is smaller doesn't mean its better. An MPEG encoded film at high bitrate could look better than a VC-1 film at a low bitrate just for the sake of size.
As for the upconvert thing, the PS3 will upconvert eventually. Upconverting is a bunch of rubbish anyway given that most people's TV's will have better upconverters than stand alone players.

The price thing you are correct on however. Currently blu-ray stand alones do cost to much cash. However at present both Hi def formats are out of reach of the average joe.
I apologize for ranting, it just bugs me how people forever argue that one format is techinical better than the other when they really aren't

Space and compatibility is all that matters, the minority care about all this PiP trash. also compatibility, Blu-Ray can be used for developing games, data storage, movies etc. HD-DVD can be used for movies and data which it can hold less plus it has less movies. Here in NZ, HD-DVD people are like "Wha' ?" thinking you're talking about Hard drive. Blu-Ray is at home here so it's all good.

Don't say price matters to me, if you care about $3-4 you have no need to complain - you're poor stay with DVD.

Hopefully this will end soon. Blu-ray and HD-DVD, there is nothing between them and I don't care which wins.

If BR has the lead now, I hope it continues so this pointless format war can come to an end and we can just enjoy some HD movies.

Lets not forget that the discs GIVEN away with the PS2 will account for large percentage of sales. Oh and HD-DVD is winning when it comes to stand-alone players, ie. a player that isn't bundled with another product (ps3).

Good for Sony, finally they made a format that didn't flop (yet) Personally I don't care, as I only own a SDTV and both Blu-Ray/HD-DVD are completely useless to me :P go DVD

its far to early to tell whos winning and whos losing... we dont even have HD movies locally here yet so give it some time before ppl start calling wins or losses :P

Blu-ray reportedly took the lead in February, and its percentage of total sales accelerated to the point where it accounted for nearly three out of every four high-definition discs sold in March

I guess this is more important than the ratios shown. So it seems Blu-ray is not only more commonly used (following the news, we knew this), but also accelerating in use.
Research also shows that eight of the 10 top-selling high-definition titles in the first quarter were on Blu-ray Disc.

Sounds reasonable, given Blu-ray's much better studio support. Well, maybe I'd expect a few HD-DVD's there, but there you go.

It should be interesting if any lower prices will turn this tide. Personally, I can go either way, as long as the formats get cheaper. Blu-ray has undeniably been tasty from the start for me, as the storage size is excellent for backups, and knowing hard drives, you can rarely have too much storage space.

People argueing about this are stupid. Both HD-DVD and blu-ray are the same in terms of tech, none is better than the other for picture quality or sound.

The reason blu-ray is selling so well atm is because of the large studio support behind it compaired to HD-DVD so of course its going to sell better if it has more movies on it. Also as a result the marketing is much bigger
The day Universal goes neutral is the day the format war is over.

Julius Caro said,
Exactly! Universal HAS to release heroes in Blu-ray :(

and battlestar gallactica :P I think I'd rebuy them all if they did >.>

it doesn't even matter really who wins, cause everything is going to go to downloads and/or cheaper flash based types.
with the cross over of analog to digital(in the US) we are going to see a great increase in bandwidth.

I'm an HD-DVD supporter, but I think it needs to be pointed out once again that Blu-Ray is not a Sony format. There is a whole group of companies that created and support it. Sony is just really loud and obnoxious so they get credited for being it's creator and owner. They probably pour the most money into it though.

I don't like Blu-Ray because it's more expensive, it's more fragile, and frankly I do not like Sony's business practices so I'd really rather not support them in any way. I also don't think a company that owns it's own movie studio should have any control over a format. Most of all Blu-Ray and this whole format war was unnecessary. It was all because of greed.

What does? Maybe I should say Sony did not create the format nor do they own it. They are still a big player in it though and I don't want to support them. Better?

More expensive? For the companies that produce them, yes it is. For me, it is not more expensive than HD-DVD. (proof: all movies are priced EXACTLY the same here, and the cheaper HD-DVD player is 600 euro here, exactly the same as a PS3).

More fragile? One of the main differences between bluray and hd-dvd is where the data layer is placed. Blu-ray has
better "scratch" protection than hd-dvd because of this.

I don't blindly support blu ray. I guess in the end I don't care who wins. HD-DVD seems to be the "more convenient" for both consumers and enterprises, but right now people is more inclined to blu-ray. The only thing I hate is that blu-ray has the region codes crap. Does hd-dvd have it too?

Harlem39s Finest said,

4+

i'd love to back up all my music one Bluray disc :cool:

Thank you.

Everyone bashes BR because it's not as cheap (yet) and because Sony backs it. Everyone forgets that great technology is simply that. Why bash new ideas, new creations, competition, and all that sort? Hate something good because you don't like a company that uses their product? Seriously, what the hell guys? Get your heads on straight and GET OVER IT.

It's disappointing. HD-DVD is the better format, technologically speaking, but all the good movies are Blu-Ray exclusive. I'm set either way, with my HD-DVD player for the 360 and my Blu-Ray player in my PS3, but it's still annoying.

obake said,
It's disappointing. HD-DVD is the better format, technologically speaking, but all the good movies are Blu-Ray exclusive. I'm set either way, with my HD-DVD player for the 360 and my Blu-Ray player in my PS3, but it's still annoying.

Technologically (and frankly) speaking, HD-DVD is the worse format. Could you please give me a reason that makes you think you're right? Any references? Thanks.

It'll be interesting to see what happens when WalMart introduces the $199 standalone HD-DVD player. Right now I think it's people trying out their new PS3s. Once the newness dies down so will sales.

That's a very logical conclusion. PS3 is very new and no games thus making PS3 owners actually buy movies only, as I mentioned numerous times I bought HD-DVD player for 360 as soon as it came out and PS3 as soon as it came out. I have 8 BDs and 32 HD-DVD disks. It's very positive and shows customer appreciation for the format after a year and a half and the sales are still strong. A small bump as the titles were weak for these 2 months but as soon as Planet Earth came out on HD-DVD..WHOOOO Number 4 spot in sales. This is the BEST selling hi-def title OF ALL TIME on both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD.. Shows you how much buying power HD-DVD customers have.

And Emil you are reporting good news..keep up the good work, unlike many many reputable sites that went completely bad you are doing a good job of reporting both sides objectively.

Engadget became a JOKE. Every single post by authors there is Blu-Ray biased. Can you believe they said that HD-DVD is back in the lead on Amazon sales because a bunch of people from AVS Forums got together to buy Planet Earth..hahahaah..can you believe that!?

What joke. That Walmart story came out a few days ago and then BAM, more blu ray propoganda. Sony has marketing, studios and ps3 while HD-DVD hasn't been pushing as hard yet Sony can't wipe the floor with them. Theres a reason why DVD still outsells both and its the same reason thats going to make Blu ray crash and burn just like every other sony format

Boz said,
Engadget became a JOKE. Every single post by authors there is Blu-Ray biased. Can you believe they said that HD-DVD is back in the lead on Amazon sales because a bunch of people from AVS Forums got together to buy Planet Earth..hahahaah..can you believe that!?

Blaxima said,
What joke. That Walmart story came out a few days ago and then BAM, more blu ray propoganda.

And here is HDDVD propaganda. Isn't it? ;-)

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TRC said,
I guess so, I just see a bunch of j's throwing off the formatting of the whole page. What am I missing?

What he said. That guy is unfunny to the extreme :mad:

HD DVD Tops 100K Standalone Units Sold

Its quite hard to say whose leading in what sales and where. Remember kids, Sony has a bad habit of reporting sold items as actual shipped goods, so their numbers could be fudged a bit.

We will have to wait a little longer for an updated global report on HD-DVD hardware sales.

those numbers didn't include the ps3 sales....which easily blow away those numbers in the USA. that's 100k hd-dvd players for 2007 calender, compared to at least 400k ps3 sales alone, not including blu-ray standalone. if those numbers show anything it shows that more people buy the ps3 for a blu-ray device than as a gaming device, since blu-ray media blows hd-dvd away.

since blu-ray media blows hd-dvd away.

I'm going to have to call you out on that one. Aside from space, how does it blow HD-DVD away?

TRC said,

I'm going to have to call you out on that one. Aside from space, how does it blow HD-DVD away?

That's the only thing it has over HD-DVD is more space. There's nothing about it that blows away HD-DVD.

NightmarE D said,

That's the only thing it has over HD-DVD is more space. There's nothing about it that blows away HD-DVD.

Probably not now, but the potential for it seems a lot higher than that of HDDVD. With 10x write speeds possible, and research to increase storage, that alone leaves me on the edge of my chair. :)

I don't care about formats really. Just good technology. I mean hell, soon I may be able to burn off my entire collection of music, movies, games, work, and whatever else is on my hard drive into one disc image, and not have to wait forever and a day to get it burned.

TRC said,

I'm going to have to call you out on that one. Aside from space, how does it blow HD-DVD away?

my bad I should have clarified, I mean in terms of unit sales. if you believe the sales numbers, which I have no reason to doubt, blu-ray media is beating hd-dvd media.

TRC said,

I'm going to have to call you out on that one. Aside from space, how does it blow HD-DVD away?

exactly, the high def quality is totally up to the people producing it, not the format.

I'm going to have to call you out on that one. Aside from space, how does it blow HD-DVD away?

Transfer speeds.

Data transfers are almost 50% faster on Blu-ray discs. (~54 Mbps vs ~37 Mbps)
Won't matter much in movies, but might in how appealing it is to use for data.

Well, actually it's much faster in video/audio/video+audio too, but I doubt these codecs will pressure the speed limits.

exactly, the high def quality is totally up to the people producing it, not the format.

Well, if only the quality mattered and not storage space and speeds, HD-DVD would of course be the clear winner here. But this is a digital medium that should eventually find its place into burners, and then data storage features will matter.

bluarash said,
Both of these technologies are utter failures.
Why? theyre less than a year old, hell in some regions they became available this year. DVD's took years until they became mainstream and look at how prollific they are now. This war was never going to be won in 6 months and likely never will be because by the time the market decides it wants a HD video player the dual format players will be out and there will be no reason to debate over which disk format you buy.

HD is losing because they are not doing any marketing. I mean, how many times have you seen after a DVD commerical:

"Also available on Blu-ray"

I can't think of the last time I saw

"Also available on HD-DVD"

This is very true. I've see maybe one movie out of 10 advertised as being available on HD-DVD. If HD-DVD backers are going to gain any ground then they will need to advertise more heavily that there are movies available in their format. Otherwise, Joe Shmoe will be at Best Buy and want a "Bluray" because that is all they have heard about.

A bit of perspective is needed I think....

- PSP dead format UMD sold 100,000 in 2 months and over 8 million in the first year....
- A single DVD title can sell 2 million in one week, in one territory.
- Sony have sold 3.3 million PS3s. The numbers of Blu-Ray sales would indicate only 1 in 3 PS3 owners have purchased a disc.... that's not accounting for the coupon for a free disc, which is accounted in the sales, unlike the bundled disc. So many many PS3 customers might have not even bothered to collect their freebie.
- Blu-Ray is WAY behind in the dedicated hardware sales.

So Blu-Ray is 8 times 'less of a success' than UMD in the same time frame.... and that the "format war" is more of a "slapping match behind a McDonald's".

Thanks for that!

I was about to say, DVD sales should be over whelming sale figures of both HDDVD and Bluray combined. No one is really going to give a **** about HDDVD or Bluray sales until one of them tops DVD. Still, HDDVD sales could be as low as 10% for years and still stick around in the market. It would have to be 1% or less... otherwise there is too much money invested for either format to just "pull out."

Shadrack said,
Thanks for that!

I was about to say, DVD sales should be over whelming sale figures of both HDDVD and Bluray combined. No one is really going to give a **** about HDDVD or Bluray sales until one of them tops DVD. Still, HDDVD sales could be as low as 10% for years and still stick around in the market. It would have to be 1% or less... otherwise there is too much money invested for either format to just "pull out."

Not to mention the war hasn't really begun yet as the REASONABLE price drops have yet to begin. We'll see what happens in Winter '07.

Half of what you posted is completly irrelevant but. It doesnt matter if the hardware is dedicated or not, if it plays the movies it plays the movies and I'm pretty sure if you look at the combined sales that puts Blu Ray ahead. You cant ignore the PS3 like that as many people are buying it FOR the Blu Ray capabilities and games secondly since its quite affordable currently compared to dedicated players. Not all users did buy it for the Blu Ray capabilities but. However if you include the hardware in the PS3 then you have more Blu Ray players and according to the article more movies too. I mean sure not everyones bought a Blu Ray movie yet but that doesnt mean the PS3 owners wont be down the road and at least they dont need to invest in some dedicated hardware which will make Blu Ray movie purchases more appealing to many than HD-DVD.

You also cant judge the success of the format by comparring it to either UMD's or DVD. DVD is an established medium of 5 years, HD-DVD and Blu Ray have only just reached the market so obviously DVD will be outsellling them as VHS outsold DVD's for a long period after it release.

In particullar UMD's have no real comparrison. It was a niche product that played on the one device and secondly it had no competitor. Comparing its success to Blu Ray for better or worse makes next to no sense.

Let be totally honest here. Sony's flagship Blu Ray player IS the PS3. It may not be dedicated but that doesnt change the fact its their most marketed and talked about Blu Ray player. Not counting its sales is quite ridiculous IMHO.

Smigit said,
In particullar UMD's have no real comparrison. It was a niche product that played on the one device and secondly it had no competitor.

Reread what you just wrote....
- niche product
- Played on one device (The dedicated Blu-Ray players aren't selling and most won't be compatible with whatever BDJ ends up being).... The ONLY real way to own a Blu-Ray player is the PS3.
- Had no competitor..... And yet UMD died.

I would say it's a fair comparison. Even if you disagree with the other points, the fact that they sold more than 8 million UMD movies in a year.... IS relevant. That really shows how slow both HD formats are selling.

The PS3 is heavily subsidised and they need to sell more media. Considering there are 10 times as many Blu-Ray players sold, do you seriously think that Blu-Ray media sales are doing better than HD DVD?
HDDVD is smaller, but it's numbers are the right way round, it's healthy, growing and has a really good hardware cost reduction path set for the very near future. And they are selling many more discs per sold player.
Blu-Ray is not at all healthy.... if I was to invest in a format (as a business investment) I wouldn't touch Blu-Ray.
As a customer and film fan I don't think either format is going to go away and I don't think I'll see Sony property on HD DVD any time soon. A dual format player is the only real option.
But people assess these sales numbers and completely miss the context.
1 million movies for 3 million players...

UMD cannot really be compared to anything. I remember when I first heard about it and just laughed.

I think a lot of people are forgetting that the only real advantage you see with HD is at above 30" T.V.'s? (correct me if I'm wrong about the size) and people with smaller screens really aren't going to see any difference or invest into the format war because of that.

joeydoo said,

Reread what you just wrote....
- niche product
- Played on one device (The dedicated Blu-Ray players aren't selling and most won't be compatible with whatever BDJ ends up being).... The ONLY real way to own a Blu-Ray player is the PS3.
- Had no competitor..... And yet UMD died.

I would say it's a fair comparison. Even if you disagree with the other points, the fact that they sold more than 8 million UMD movies in a year.... IS relevant. That really shows how slow both HD formats are selling.

The PS3 is heavily subsidised and they need to sell more media. Considering there are 10 times as many Blu-Ray players sold, do you seriously think that Blu-Ray media sales are doing better than HD DVD?
HDDVD is smaller, but it's numbers are the right way round, it's healthy, growing and has a really good hardware cost reduction path set for the very near future. And they are selling many more discs per sold player.
Blu-Ray is not at all healthy.... if I was to invest in a format (as a business investment) I wouldn't touch Blu-Ray.
As a customer and film fan I don't think either format is going to go away and I don't think I'll see Sony property on HD DVD any time soon. A dual format player is the only real option.
But people assess these sales numbers and completely miss the context.
1 million movies for 3 million players...


a) UMD's were the ONE way of getting videos on the PSP. its not comparable as Blue Ray is competing with HD-DVD AND DVD sales atm. Almost all homes have dvd players which adequatly serve them. Thus theres no need to go buy a HD player. For psp owners UMD was the one option they had.

And as I already said not all PS3 purchases are geared towards movie buyers. Thus you shouldnt be comparing the sales based on that number although I stand by you cant rule the PS3 out as a relevant statistic either. Realistically it's quite hard to compare as you cant just use a disks per player ratio as clearly the PS3 accounts for most players but is being used for alot more than just media. In the end the only conclusion I believe you can convincingly draw is its too early to judge who will win if either.

Smigit said,
a) UMD's were the ONE way of getting videos on the PSP. its not comparable as Blue Ray is competing with HD-DVD AND DVD sales atm. Almost all homes have dvd players which adequatly serve them. Thus theres no need to go buy a HD player. For psp owners UMD was the one option they had.

And as I already said not all PS3 purchases are geared towards movie buyers. Thus you shouldnt be comparing the sales based on that number although I stand by you cant rule the PS3 out as a relevant statistic either. Realistically it's quite hard to compare as you cant just use a disks per player ratio as clearly the PS3 accounts for most players but is being used for alot more than just media. In the end the only conclusion I believe you can convincingly draw is its too early to judge who will win if either.

Well what percentage should they have then? 1 Blu-Ray disc per console? Considering most customers would get one bundled as part of a package deal, 1 would be a BARE minimum. They are way behind that given the dedicated players had 6 months lead time before the console came out.
If this "war" was judged on discs sold per player rather than raw sales.... HD DVD is annihilating Blu-Ray.

joeydoo said,
If this "war" was judged on discs sold per player rather than raw sales.... HD DVD is annihilating Blu-Ray.
But thats a big "IF" call to make and unfortunately one I dont think can be made with any real sense of authority given the relative new nature of the technology.

I read earlier that the current top selling HD fomat disk on Amazon and other stores is a HDDVD -- Planet Earth.
Its also available on Bluray but sales are much lower.



I was going to get the blu-ray because I had a ps3 for now and with that particular piece of material I don't mind rebuying it as a hd-dvd down the road. that show is FREAKING amazing. I love it so much that to see it in high definition, it will be the first (and hopefully only) hd video of any sort I buy until they settles the standards.

Too bad neither format has the bonus features they added to the DVD version of the amazing documentary. So in essence, you are paying more for a series that gives you less.

I was going to get the Blu-Ray version just now but with the lack of 4+ hours of extra content, I will skip it until they decide to add it.

L3thal said,
Too bad neither format has the bonus features they added to the DVD version of the amazing documentary. So in essence, you are paying more for a series that gives you less.

I was going to get the Blu-Ray version just now but with the lack of 4+ hours of extra content, I will skip it until they decide to add it.

yeah I noticed that when I was looking on amazon, I was like wow that sucks, but i'd probably end up being it twice anyway, so i would probably get dvd and blu-ray version now or get the blu-ray and wait for them to add the extra features and have something to look forward to in the future.

Elliott said,
Looks like the Sony trojan horse is working. Sad.

did you think that they have a bigger market share because they MAKE PEOPLE BUY THEIR ****, any one who wanted a ps3 had to buy the blueray, so of course they will have a bigger marketshare, while microsoft and its partners didn't make people buy ****.