BT says Android violates six of their US patents

The number of international court battles, by multiple companies, against the Android operating system gained another participant this week as British Telecom has filed suit in Delaware court claiming Google's mobile operating system violates a number of BT's patents.The UK company is asking billions of dollars, an injunction, and could result in Google needing to pay royalties to BT for every Android handset. 

While the current lawsuit is a US based filing, it is likely that BT will also file suit in European court as well to protect their portfolio there and increase the chances of victory. BT joins Apple, Oracle, Microsoft, Gemalto, and eBay as major tech companies who claim Google's open source platform infringes on their technologies.

A spokesman for BT told The Guardian:

BT can confirm that it has commenced legal proceedings against Google by filing a claim with the US District Court of Delaware for patent infringement. The patents in question relate to technologies which underpin location-based services, navigation and guidance information and personalised access to services and content. BT's constant investment in innovation has seen it develop a large portfolio of patents which are valuable corporate assets.

Google says the claims are without merit.

Apple is also suing popular Android handset vendor HTC for violating a patent that Apple acquired from BT, in 2008.

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I really hope they can skin off as much money off Google as its possible.

One thing that the patent system has faults but another that Google must learn to abide the actual laws. Until then just pay up or go and do something unique for a change!

People blaming Google for stealing when it hasnt even been determined if they did. And its not like this only happens to Google. Get real people...this is a common thing now adays.

Another day, another lawsuit...next..

I hope they manage to get billions of dollars off of google then us ppl in the uk can get some decent superfast broadband everywhere and the rollout will be alot quicker

Jeez.. did you guys even took the time to read the patents before to jump like sheep ??

BT patents are so vague, they cover about every device with a GPS, or transmitting data... software patents are stupid for that reason. They don't protect someone's work, au contrary, they are only there for leeches to suck on other people's work.

BT have a patent on location based data, Google did all the work and programming on building Google Maps and now BT wants money for it... So please don't get all righteous defending BT... that's just sad.


Have an idea, close Android and see how they can detect patent infringements.

Seriously, let MS, Apple, Oracle, eBay open their code to be examined. This is stupid. Everyone can see Android code and claim --- well, my code you stole because a function cna only have 3 vars and yours have 4 and is early similar to mine so you copied it ---

Stoffel said,
Well, if you steal, you know it's going to bite you in the ass at some point

the problem is that you don't have to steam to infringe those "patents"

look at them. one is about "looking for available mobile network while using wifi", second is about maps with public transport and other information. that is ridiculous. those are not inventions that should be protected by patent. it's just a simple set of commands. it's like trademarking a word.

imagine if i'm going to patent "an implementation of selection between events depending on conditions". i can make a whole 200 page bloatpaper on how cool is it and innovative. but in overall it comes to a simple statement - case of. and now matter what you do, no matter what in conditions and events you still would infringe my patent.

Stoffel said,
Well, if you steal, you know it's going to bite you in the ass at some point

Oh yea lol Steal a thought! how ridiculous. Grrr I thought of that first you little %$#@ I'm gonna tell on you!

UndergroundWire said,

That has yet to be determined in a court of law.

ITC ruled that HTC was violating apple patents (I know it is not court of law). This ruling mainly involved the phone's software - Android.

trollonknoll said,

ITC ruled that HTC was violating apple patents (I know it is not court of law). This ruling mainly involved the phone's software - Android.

Not Google. READING COMPREHENSION FAIL! How do you know that the ruling wasn't against something in HTC Sense? Please show me how it is Android. HTC Sense != Android. Please move along.

UndergroundWire said,

Not Google. READING COMPREHENSION FAIL! How do you know that the ruling wasn't against something in HTC Sense? Please show me how it is Android. HTC Sense != Android. Please move along.

How do I know? It's all over the news that it is the core functionality of Android against which ruling is based. You are the staunch troll here anything Android. You are the one who needs to move along!

UndergroundWire said,

Not Google. READING COMPREHENSION FAIL! How do you know that the ruling wasn't against something in HTC Sense? Please show me how it is Android. HTC Sense != Android. Please move along.

How do I know? It's all over the news that it is the core functionality of Android. You are the staunch supporter (blindly) here anything Android. You are the one who needs to move along!

trollonknoll said,

How do I know? It's all over the news that it is the core functionality of Android against which ruling is based. You are the staunch troll here anything Android. You are the one who needs to move along!

Really? Then why only HTC phones? Please answer that. Otherwise KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT!

UndergroundWire said,

Really? Then why only HTC phones? Please answer that. Otherwise KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT!

Someone is butt hurt! You want me to do all the homework for you! Go read it is out there!

trollonknoll said,

Someone is butt hurt! You want me to do all the homework for you! Go read it is out there!

You know how your phone can automatically "see" an address or phone number on a web page or e-mail and send you to the appropriate app? That's what the ITC claims HTC is infringing on. It is done at the system level of Android but by default Android only offers the API to do so but doesn't actually do it for you.

HTC, Motorola, Samsung (and others) have built on top of Android the way to do it. That is why this affects HTC Phones only. However what most of the Trolls and Microsoft Fanboys on this site don't realize is Android 2.3 and up is not affected by this. What appears to be a victory for Apple is only on paper. Apple has not accomplished anything in this case. Most phones being shipped today by the big 3 manufacturers is with Android 2.3 and up.

Apple needs to stop wasting its time with these cases that go nowhere. Try to innovate instead of going after old phones.

Apple did it earlier this year with Motorola where they couldn't sell the original Droid and other old phones on a different patent. The thing is Motorola stopped selling those phones months ago since those phones already had a newer version (Droid 3, Droid X2, etc...).

You see by the time the infringing case is made, there is already a newer phone being sold and Apple is just wasting its time instead of coming out with an iPhone 5 this year, they came out with same looking model.

I'm sorry you couldn't understand this.

UndergroundWire said,

You know how your phone can automatically "see" an address or phone number on a web page or e-mail and send you to the appropriate app? That's what the ITC claims HTC is infringing on. It is done at the system level of Android but by default Android only offers the API to do so but doesn't actually do it for you.

HTC, Motorola, Samsung (and others) have built on top of Android the way to do it. That is why this affects HTC Phones only. However what most of the Trolls and Microsoft Fanboys on this site don't realize is Android 2.3 and up is not affected by this. What appears to be a victory for Apple is only on paper. Apple has not accomplished anything in this case. Most phones being shipped today by the big 3 manufacturers is with Android 2.3 and up. which has changed the API for this. In fact in Android 4.0, they changed it again (which is why we Galaxy Nexus users have lost the ability to sync with Facebook Contact pictures within the official Facebook app).

Apple needs to stop wasting its time with these cases that go nowhere. Try to innovate instead of going after older phones.

Apple did it earlier this year with Motorola where they couldn't sell the original Droid and other old phones on a different patent. The thing is Motorola stopped selling those phones months ago since those phones already had a newer version (Droid 3, Droid X2, etc...).

You see by the time the infringing case is made, there is already a newer phone being sold and Apple is just wasting its time instead of coming out with an iPhone 5 this year, they came out with same looking model.

I'm sorry you couldn't understand this.

trollonknoll said,

Here it is
http://www.theverge.com/2011/1...wins-ban-of-htc-devices-itc

See how this affects even IC 4.0 and why it is a significant victory and how it will affect other Android manufacturer.


From your link you submitted:
Update: HTC just revised its statement on the case, saying that Apple's patent covers only a "small UI experience" and saying it will be completely removed from HTC phones "soon." We'll see how quickly that happens; any changes would have to first be deemed compatible with Android by Google and then approved and pushed to customers by HTC's carrier partners.

Interesting HTC said UI in the Update to the article you sent. Is it not?

It is also interesting that it would have to be deemed compatible with Android by Google. I thought you said it was built into Android? Why would something have to be compatible with Android if it is in Android? Ahh, perhaps it is SENSE that is the issue here. Now doesn't that make SENSE (pun intended)?

If the "data taping" was something specifically built into Android, Apple would sue Google. Instead Apple went after HTC. Unless you are telling me Apple is scared to go after Google directly? So Apple goes after someone smaller? Is that what I am hearing?

UndergroundWire said,

From your link you submitted:

Interesting HTC said UI in the Update to the article you sent. Is it not?

It is also interesting that it would have to be deemed compatible with Android by Google. I thought you said it was built into Android? Why would something have to be compatible with Android if it is in Android? Ahh, perhaps it is SENSE that is the issue here. Now doesn't that make SENSE (pun intended)?

If the "data taping" was something specifically built into Android, Apple would sue Google. Instead Apple went after HTC. Unless you are telling me Apple is scared to go after Google directly? So Apple goes after someone smaller? Is that what I am hearing?

Did you read the full article or just looked for something favorable to extend your drivel?

"after a lengthy review, the Commission found that HTC devices infringe two claims of patent #5,946,647 .....

trollonknoll said,

Did you read the full article or just looked for something favorable to extend your drivel?

"after a lengthy review, the Commission found that HTC devices infringe two claims of patent #5,946,647 .....

The requirements and language of the patent claims are obviously more complicated, but that's a decent overview of what's covered.

The main culprit is HTC. Why would HTC be forced to fix Android and not Google fixing Android? Please explain yourself? Or are you just looking for something favorable to extend your drivel? If you can't answer that, PLEASE STAY QUIET.

hougtimo said,

Why? If Google have infringed on a patent then it should be rectified, no?

may be because most of those "patents" is patent trolling. inventions about nothing.

coth said,

may be because most of those "patents" is patent trolling. inventions about nothing.

Could you rephrase that in English?

hougtimo said,

Funnily enough I got that bit

Anyways. The patents were granted. It's BT's right to enforce them.


Those patents should be cancelled.

hougtimo said,

Could you rephrase that in English?

Ahh classic... Can't think of a counter argument. Attack grammar

While he didn't use the best grammar, it was easy to understand what he meant so how about you rebuke his point rather than his grammar.

I extensively agree, as they just seem to quash creative development. Seriously what has BT done from a creative point of view with those patents? And how the hell can a small company/individual hope to deliver a new recipe(involving "ideas"! previously thought of) to the market and compete with the big established Players.

Astra.Xtreme said,
Looks like Google is going to end up paying a huge amount of royalties to this company.

Only if they win.

Oopsss Android having and having bad days... not good... however windows phone 7 rising but slow... and iOS as well getting down... what happens in this world?

acido00 said,
Oopsss Android having and having bad days... not good... however windows phone 7 rising but slow... and iOS as well getting down... what happens in this world?
I wouldn't say android is having a bad day. Lawsuits like this is like already so common...

acido00 said,
Oopsss Android having and having bad days... not good... however windows phone 7 rising but slow... and iOS as well getting down... what happens in this world?

Like others have said they are so vague , however, it won't just be Google having a bad day. The way this patent is setup so that things like Siri are in violation of this as well as any GPS device as well as any tablet, laptop, desktop, or mobile device such as a "smart phone" would also fall under this case. Anything wireless that seeks out a signal or reports its position to the provider.