Bungie co-founder: "Nobody wants to" play FPS games with mouse and keyboard

Bungie gave some of the first details of its next sci-fi first person shooter game Destiny earlier today, The game, which will be published by Activision, will be launched as an Xbox 360 and PS3 title and its likely that it will make appearances on next gen consoles as well.

But what about the PC? Bungie co-founder Jason Jones seems to have something of an issue playing FPS titles on the platform that started the genre in the first place. In a quote posted on Destructoid, Jones said that when Bungie first made the original Halo game, they made a lot of design decisions to reach out to a new audience. He said:

We limited players to two weapons, we gave them recharging health, we automatically saved and restored the game -- almost heretical things to first-person shooters at the time. We made the game run without a mouse and keyboard. And now nobody plays shooters the way they used to play them before Halo 'cause nobody wants to.

That's some pretty harsh language and we are sure that the many first person shooter PC gamers that have a keyboard-mouse set up would beg to differ with Jones's statement.

Source: Destructoid | Image via Bungie

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Remove the start menu you say, yeah seems legit.

This guy is a idiot. Console gamers are a larger market and that is all he is preaching to. Always has been always will be. Just becuase the market is smaller does not mean you alienate them.

Why don't they at least give people an option to use a keyboard if they prefer it? Surely the games code can't be too complicated to include instead of giving stupid reasons why they aren't.

For me it's quite the opposite... I don't own a single FPS game in my PS3 because I always felt that FPS games on consoles simply SUCK. Movement is strange, aiming is a pain and switching weapons and crouching is difficult. It's because of consoles that most FPS games today are cover based (duck behind cover, wait for enemy to stop firing, get up and kill him) and you have things like recharging health.

I will always prefer the good old keyboard (WASD) + mouse combo for FPS games.

What a fool ^^ I get shooters and RTS games on the PC as it's a much more fun experience, it's /me\ controlling my character, not some half-arsed automated aiming!

I have my PS3 for Platforming/Adventure/Racing games, which is brilliant.

I also feel like adding - I've had the misfortune to play halo a few times, I don't think I've EVER had less fun on a game. It sounds strange, being a newer game on a newer platform, but it feels like dumbed-down idiot-quake to me.

It's worth bringing up that Valve themselves are pushing for game-pad style gaming on the PC.

Truth is, nobody's coming up with surveys to support either side of the argument, so this whole discussion is just a circlejerk of rage.

I think we are misreading his statement... He never said anything about people not using a mouse and keyboard. He said people don't play shooters the way they used to as a general statement and to some extent that is very true.

Tbh, while I like the accuracy of my m+k, I prefer the comfort of a controller. I couldn't care less if one tech can run circles around the other, I'd rather be able to feel my wrist after 4 hours of play.

I've actually had more pain playing a console shooter than a PC shooter. My fingers would hurt and I'd sometimes get blisters on my fingertips.

As for his statement, he finished with "[...] 'cause nobody wants to." which applies to everything he said and not just the mouse and keyboard part. However, his statement isn't entirely true. There will always be people that prefer a controller and people that prefer a mouse and keyboard. He used the word "nobody" which implies everyone in terms of scope.

No he specifically said 'nobody' plays shooters using mouse/keyboard anymore. Apparently he thinks he can speak on behalf of all the gamers in the world. I can see why Microsoft decided to strip Bungie off the Halo franchise.

I can see that, it really just depends on the person. I'm a skinny guy so my wrists wear easily compared to my hands.

He doesn't specifically refer to just "nobody wants to play with a keyboard or mouse", he says that people don't play shooters the same way before halo, referencing recharging health, autosaves, etc. Not keyboard/mouse only.

Jason Jones is a retard. There is atleast 2 genres where a Controller is not good enough: FPS and RTS.

The keyboard and Mouse is far superior. I am happy to play Platformer games with a Controller, but otherwise I hate Controllers, it is too slow to aim in FPS and using Halo Wars as an example: the game is stupidly over-simplified. If I was in charge of Halo Wars, I'd port it to the PC, modify everything, and ultimately enable 8 to maybe 32 players in a single PVP match.

Who cares, I hope Bungie go the same way as Bizarre Creations after we were bought by Craptivision and killed for producing a game we didnt want to do. And I hope they die within a year or so of being bought.

Activision are profit driven, you fail they kill you. Enough said. Even though FPS should be played with kb/m IMO

So he openly admits to ruining the FPS game genre with regenerating health and limited weapons?
Grab your pitchforks boys we gonna have a lynching

Regenerating health can be ok. Makes about as much sense as random 'health-packs' that arbitrarily fix a load of your wounds on the instant you pick them up

2 Weapons at a time though, I'll fetch the rope.

Jason Jones, I want to play my FPSs with a mouse and keyboard, and won't do it any other way. You either make it an option, or don't and know that some people won't buy the game. Simple..

Wow...way to jump to conclusions? He never said nobody wants to use mouse/keyboard. He said nobody plays the FPS same way as they did before.
That's some sensationalist crap John C.

Read his statement again: "We limited players to two weapons, we gave them recharging health, we automatically saved and restored the game -- almost heretical things to first-person shooters at the time. We made the game run without a mouse and keyboard. And now nobody plays shooters the way they used to play them before Halo 'cause nobody wants to."

Before Halo, console shooters weren't as popular as PC shooters. And obviously, you'd use a mouse and keyboard to play a PC shooter. When he said "And now nobody plays shooters the way they used to play them before Halo 'cause nobody wants to.", he implied that nobody wants to use a mouse and keyboard anymore. He also implied that no one wants to go back to health packs, non-checkpoint saving, and multiple weapons.

I agree. We can only assume that he was referring to mouse and keyboard. Maybe he was referring to the whole dynamics of health and scripts and maps and radars and cut scenes and intro levels and multiplayer and respawn enemies and blah etc....

I guess we won't know unless he clarifies.

I even got one of those Mouse/Keyboard converter things for my Xbox because I just can't get used to playing with a pad. But because it's not true mouse/keyboard and has to emulate the pad's movement based I couldn't get on with it. So I just went back to playing racing games and platformers on my Xbox and FPS on my PC.

There's no way I'd want to play FPS's on anything other than mouse and keyboard. Playing on a joypad, when you're a seasoned keyboard and mouse user, is like trying to play with both hands tied - it's beyond frustrating. I'd say this guy is basically dead wrong.

People play on consoles with a joypad because they largely have no choice and because of the impracticality of using a keyboard / mouse when you're sat on the sofa in front of the TV.

Oh, what a guy!
He is wrong about the whole FPS thing! Because most FPS Players play better with mouse and keyboard. As I mentioned on Halo 3 to PC, this would be good!

Nobody huh? Well then...I don't know know what I've been using the past 4 months to play Borderlands 2. Must be a motion controller, because it sure ain't an XBox controller!

I don't own a PS3 and My Xbox 360 is gathering dust. Why? Because I like to play most games with a keyboard/mouse. If I could use them on the 360 and PS3 for gaming I would buy and play more console games.

I've played dozens of FPS games with a controller on the 360. I always finish the single player campaign and try some multiplayer. I hate it. I can't play well with a controller. Give me a keyboard/mouse and Ill be top 20 in the game.

FPS games are about accuracy. Muscle memory and skill come from hundreds of hours of playing. It's not supposed to be so easy that everyone who plays has a good kill count. Console FPS games are a joke and will continue to be as long as they keep using auto aim. Moving the stick in the direction of an enemy and firing should not be enough for a kill. Skill has been taken out of the game.

I won't be buying a PS4 or Xbox 720 or whatever the hell they call them.

P.S. I know there is hardware for the 360 to use a keyboard/mouse. It's buggy, laggy and costs $150 or more. Then you are still limited by aim speed and auto aim. So it's a horrible compromise.

Console FPS are for kids who don't want a challenge. They want to get on, play a quick game and feel like they are some kind of super video game master because they got a 10 kill streak in BLOPS2.

WesDog said,
I don't own a PS3 and My Xbox 360 is gathering dust. Why? Because I like to play most games with a keyboard/mouse. If I could use them on the 360 and PS3 for gaming I would buy and play more console games.

I've played dozens of FPS games with a controller on the 360. I always finish the single player campaign and try some multiplayer. I hate it. I can't play well with a controller. Give me a keyboard/mouse and Ill be top 20 in the game.

FPS games are about accuracy. Muscle memory and skill come from hundreds of hours of playing. It's not supposed to be so easy that everyone who plays has a good kill count. Console FPS games are a joke and will continue to be as long as they keep using auto aim. Moving the stick in the direction of an enemy and firing should not be enough for a kill. Skill has been taken out of the game.

I won't be buying a PS4 or Xbox 720 or whatever the hell they call them.

P.S. I know there is hardware for the 360 to use a keyboard/mouse. It's buggy, laggy and costs $150 or more. Then you are still limited by aim speed and auto aim. So it's a horrible compromise.

Console FPS are for kids who don't want a challenge. They want to get on, play a quick game and feel like they are some kind of super video game master because they got a 10 kill streak in BLOPS2.


Not sure which anymore, but at the beginning there where a few FPS that supported mouse/keyboard on the PS3. You can use any usb keyboard or usb mouse on a PS3.

But you are right that most console FPS are overly simplified and with the added auto aims and such, its easy for everyone to have a few pro moments every day.

Altho I do enjoy playing a game of modern warfare to do some COOPing with a friend. Cant do that on a PC (well online/LAN ofc)

I think Portal 2/Counter Strike:GO support mouse/keyboard.

I usually turn off autoaim, even if it negatively impacts my performance. Too frustrating having my gun drag in any direction that isn't directly from recoil.

Battlefield is fun on console, but that is because I run around with a knife milking the fact that people's clunky controls mean i can get away with it

ChristopherSmith said,
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Kniving is surely fun. Love flying in the jet, so much easier on PS3 compared to PC, you have an advantage on PC if you use a 360 controller with jets/tanks/helicopters.

As someone who has mostly been a console player since the Xbox 360 launch, and has finally got a new computer (well, laptop) that can run modern games fairly well, I'm real happy to be back using the mouse / keyboard.

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Typical console nonsense. The only games on PC I use a gamepad for are flying and driving games. Any FPS I use a keyboard and mouse.

i for one cant use a controler to play fps's it feels wrong, ill allways be a keyboard mouse setup type person much more fluid

I wouldn't play a FPS on anything else but a keyboard and mouse. Aim and shoot skills are faster and more accurate using the mouse. I also have an Xbox 360 controller hooked up for racing, driving and have also used both the Xbox 360 PC controller and mouse and keyboard for playing Black Ops 2. Ridiculous comment from Bungie boy !

Blanket statements like this are idiodic, its already well known that many fps gamers like mouse and keyboard better than controller.

Nobody? Eesh another person who can't differentiate between themselves, "some" and "everybody", seems to be an epidemic of that lately. I have a pair of 360 controllers on my PC, fun for platformers and stuff, but anything first person, especially a shooter? No thanks lol.. I can't get how people can stand playing a shooter with a gamepad, clunky doesn't begin to describe it. Absolutely should be an option for those that like it, but shove it down their throats? Pass.

It's not as accurate and precise as a mouse but it's not bad once you get used to it. If I had a choice though, I'd always choose a mouse over a controller.

He would be completely correct if he means FPS games on the console before Halo. But if he does mean the PC then he's wrong even though I prefer a controller way more for FPS games.

Nothing makes a FPS shooter play better than a keyboard and mouse setup. People can get used to play them with controllers, but there's no better way to do it without having the tools that the genre started with: KEYBOARD and MOUSE.

I can understand how this guy makes it sound like it is something arcane, but he's wrong.

Thank you Mr. Bungie co-founder for speaking on behalf of all of us mouse/keyboard gamers. We are so sick of using the tools that we are most comfortable with.


/s

I've been looking forward to this game. Should be awesome.
At least they went all out for consoles so it won't be dumbed down to be able to run on PC.

HoochieMamma said,
Didn't know this Jason guy was such a retard.

It's true though... think about it for a moment.

The number one reason why you die in PC FPS games is because of your lack of accuracy using the keyboard and mouse vs someone who has better accuracy skills then you. On a console, it's much more fair to just have auto-aim assist to help everyone.

Lets be fair, there are far too many gamers out there who move the mouse too quick and shoot your in the head with pin point accuracy after you come barrelling around the door way.
On a console, the other player wouldn't have time to turn around with the analogue sticks so you can creep up on someone and kill them before they'd had a chance to defend themselves.

The sole reason why consoles and PC gamers can't play online together is because console game pads are vastly better then the keyboard and mouse, it just wouldn't be kind to PC gamers.
/s

sagum said,

It's true though... think about it for a moment.

The number one reason why you die in PC FPS games is because of your lack of accuracy using the keyboard and mouse vs someone who has better accuracy skills then you. On a console, it's much more fair to just have auto-aim assist to help everyone.

Lets be fair, there are far too many gamers out there who move the mouse too quick and shoot your in the head with pin point accuracy after you come barrelling around the door way.
On a console, the other player wouldn't have time to turn around with the analogue sticks so you can creep up on someone and kill them before they'd had a chance to defend themselves.

The sole reason why consoles and PC gamers can't play online together is because console game pads are vastly better then the keyboard and mouse, it just wouldn't be kind to PC gamers.
/s


What are you smoking. Not that long ago (think its 1-2 years or so) i think it was Microsoft that was working on an FPS that people could do Xbox vs PC online.
They halted development because NO MATTER WHAT, the PC gamers ran circles around the ones on the Xbox, with the xbox gamers having absolutely NO chance to win a game even with all the assist you can think of (without making it an autoheadshot game).
Its not dying due to accuracy what killed you in old fashion PC games, it was the non-regenarting health (another 'feature' adopted by many FPS due to the crap controllers).

That you need to have autoaim to play a FPS properly on consoles says enough.
GTA its easy to kill others, just give the analogue stick a little nudge while autoaiming and BOOM.
same for UT on a console, just nudge it in the direction the person is going and you will hit 100%... Or CoD...

This is not aiming, this is people using the autoaim assist.

Its easy to 'use' the autoaim feature so good that any aiming skills are unnessesary with console FPS.

There's not much skill needed to be good at console FPS.