Canada Will Not Interfere with Telecoms

According to Canadian Industry Minister Jim Prentice, Canada will not interfere with the new pricing policies of major telecommunications firms, despite public unhappiness over impending moves by BCE and Telus to charge for incoming text messages. Prentice told the two companies that "in the current deregulated telecommunications market, our government has no intention of interfering with the day-to-day business decisions of private companies or with the choices available to consumers."

For their part, BCE and Telus have agreed to let customers remove charges caused by unwanted spam text. Prentice had this advice for those upset with the coming changes: "Given these undertakings by Bell Mobility and Telus, I would encourage consumers dissatisfied with existing plans to seek alternatives."

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When I first got my cellphone. I got 1000 text messages. But what really ****ed me off, is the text message I got from someone I new, who liked to send FW text messages to everyone on her list. Mind you had I not just ordered 1000 I would of had to pay for this text message.

It said something about, Hi i'm that girl you had sex with, just thought i'd let you know I have aids, and by the way I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance by switching to Geico.

I was so ****ed, only from the thought of paying for that stupid piece of **** mother****'n forward.

Jim Prentice is a spineless waste of air. The whole industry in Canada is set up to rape the customer, and nothing is ever done about it. We pay up to $8 for bloody call display, $6.99 for access fees... All 3 providers are in collusion with each other to maintain the high rates. It's a total mess and something needs to be done about it. However, the thing that ****es me off the most are the idiots who never complain, or who just accept this stuff. Those people need a kick to the head.

I hope this doesn't start a global trend towards this kind of thing, I think it's ridiculous that you should have to pay to receive calls or texts because usually these kinds of things are done on a sender / caller pays basis.

Statements like those of Canadian Industry Minister Jim Prentice, demonstrate how the Government is so often out of touch with the public they are suppose to represent and we are partly to blame because during elections we often forget about how big business and government always sleep together, especially the current government lead by Steven Harper, what a sellout.

Why should the government get involved in this? No crime is being committed. If anything, the customers are the ones being ridiculous. Something costing too much? Stop using it! Be freaking creative for once.

Does receiving email on your phone use your SMS plan? If not, consider dropping SMS altogether and choosing just data. Did everyone forget they can send an email to people's cells as a text message? And their replies will go straight back to your email address, and if you have real time inbox checking, it's just as efficient. Not to mention, no more LOST text messages.

There are other creative solutions that require just a little bit of effort to set up before they're just as smooth as SMS to use, but rather than using these and sending a message to the provider (bonus: it doesn't require boycotting), people would rather whine and demand the government step in and regulate.

Why should the government get involved in this? Well, I think you're missing the point.

The government is involved insofar as saying that a handful of companies has a monopoly on the wireless market in Canada, but they don't want to get involved when those companies gouge their customers.

The whole industry in Canada is a joke.

Look at the rates at Rogers: $15/mth for 2MB.... HAHAHAHHA you've gotta be kidding me.
Only in Canada would data roaming from a US provider like T-Mobile be CHEAPER than using data with your own native provider.

(ienhz said @ #19)
The whole industry in Canada is a joke.

Look at the rates at Rogers: $15/mth for 2MB.... HAHAHAHHA you've gotta be kidding me.
Only in Canada would data roaming from a US provider like T-Mobile be CHEAPER than using data with your own native provider.

newer rate is 6gigs for $30 a month. Still more then i would like to pay, but its better then any other plans.

but yea its sad, a buddy went to texas for a few months, it was cheaper for him to call long distance from texas then a local call from canada

yeah but the $30 for 6gb add-on is a promo that ends on aug. 31
after that, we'll be back to crap like $30 for 300mb and $65 for 1gb

I'd go Nuts if my Network started charging for incoming text messages, Why should you pay for something you can't choose whether you not you receive it.

Someone sends my phone a SMS and it will recieve that SMS i can't stop them from sending that sms.

I cancelled all Text-Messaging on my Wireless account with Telus. Took me 10 minutes on the phone. That'll drive the point home. I think this counts technically as negative option billing which is illegal. In any case, canceling text is the loudest message you can send. I get maybe 4 or 5 a month anyways - I use crackberry e-mail. Rogers tried that *once* by changing plans on older ppv boxes. There were line ups miles long to return the boxes. They changed the plan after that.

Say Telus or Bell have 5,000,000 customers (which is about right). Not all use text. Not all are subscribers. Say 25% add a plan for $3.00 /mnth extra for more messages. That's another $50 million a year just for changing billing a bit.

Bell and Telus keep changing their plans every month and they keep calling to add extra services.

It's really weird reading all the outrage about this. This is pretty much how it's always been here in the States. If anybody ever complained about it, I imagine they'd get the generic USA wireless provider response: "If you don't like it, find another provider."

They're pretty asswipey about complaints for the most part...but you don't hear this complaint much anymore because almost anyone who texts just gets an unlimited plan. Americans save their whining for even more egregious offenses, like how unlimited 3G data access on a flip phone is $30/mo, but the same unlimited 3G data access on anything running windows mobile (or any other smartphone) is $50/mo.

Actually I think iPhone users had to pay the $50/mo too even when they were limited to Edge speeds...but I could be wrong there.

Canada and the USA are real ****y places to have a mobile. Charges for incoming calls and texts? That's amazing. I can't imagine that working in the UK!

I'm with O2 UK. Used to use their pre-pay service. Top-up voucher cards were sold years ago and they never expired as far as I can remember. These have been replaced with electronic top ups which can be done at ATMs or in some shops which print out a receipt with the top-up number at no additional cost! However much you buy, it lasts as long as you want it to! With O2, it was 10p to send a text and about 25p to send an MMS. Phone calls were charged per-minute at different rates at different times, even free if another O2 number was called! O2 had an offer which required £15 to be topped up on the mobile every month in order to get 150 minutes/300 texts/100 MMS.

Now I have a contract with O2. Used to be £20 for 18 months, then at renewal time, it was reduced to £15 with an increased allowance of minutes and texts! Zero charges for receiving anything apart data when I connect to the internet. Phone came free as well!

O2 and all the other network providers in the UK seem to be doing all right for themselves with this structure. Why cant Canada and the USA adopt this?

****ing stupid man .. how much more money can they take for 1kb of data, this is insane .... that is why i seek alternatives and if none can be found it will stay without ... even now even university profs ask me about a cell and i tell them no money no phone and iven so there is no plan that would be suited for me .. (as with the net .. i left rogers for a small company ... chatrges less and no hassle with downloads)

Yeah, it makes me pretty sick when I see commercials for American providers, and compare what I'm being charged by Canadian companies for services.

Alternatives? What freaken alternatives are there. Its only Bell, Telus, and Rogers up here in Canada. Apparently this douche doesn't know what we have when it comes to telecommunication. Bah! just bring the US telecommunications up here and I'll be fine. We already got american Tv shows and Radio, Lets have their Phones now :)

Neztea.

(Nestea_M@n said @ #10)
Alternatives? What freaken alternatives are there. Its only Bell, Telus, and Rogers up here in Canada. Apparently this douche doesn't know what we have when it comes to telecommunication. Bah! just bring the US telecommunications up here and I'll be fine. We already got american Tv shows and Radio, Lets have their Phones now :)

Neztea.


i agree it would be fair competition who so ever will provide good service will win the customers.

(Nestea_M@n said @ #10)
Alternatives? What freaken alternatives are there. Its only Bell, Telus, and Rogers up here in Canada. Apparently this douche doesn't know what we have when it comes to telecommunication. Bah! just bring the US telecommunications up here and I'll be fine. We already got american Tv shows and Radio, Lets have their Phones now :)

Neztea.

You do know how crappy their coverage is in the US right? I worked for a telecommunications company based out of the US for 3 years and there service is some of the worse in the world unless you live a huge city like Houston or New York.

The alternative is simple - don't use a wireless phone. I thought of another option just now, use a wireless phone and get text messaging removed including a barring option that you can get added (the providers will deny it until you escalate the call) that will stop all incoming text messages as well.

Wireless phone - overrated. Text messaging - even more overrated and anti-social. Phone the person if you must speak to them. If you are text messaging, changes are you are in a position where you shouldn't even be on your phone fiddling around in the first place.

(Primetime2006 said @ #10.2)
Text messaging - even more overrated and anti-social. Phone the person if you must speak to them. If you are text messaging, changes are you are in a position where you shouldn't even be on your phone fiddling around in the first place.

How is it anti-social? People talking loud on their mobiles while on the bus or train and making sure people hear their conversations is irritating. At least text messaging is not intrusive, though there are the odd people who have button tones which is almost as annoying as people talking on their mobiles loudly. Sometimes crowded or busy areas make it difficult to talk to someone on the mobile, so texting is a viable alternative. Not only that, some people may not be available to answer so a text is sufficient

The sad thing is ther eare no alternatives to the big evil companies when it comes to cell phones in Canada. Sure, they auctioned off 40% of the wireless spectrum to newcomers in te industry, but these "newcomers to the mobile phone business" aren't small, trustworthy companies, they're Canadian-based multinationals, like the shady Quebecor.

(RPDL said @ #9)
The sad thing is ther eare no alternatives to the big evil companies when it comes to cell phones in Canada. Sure, they auctioned off 40% of the wireless spectrum to newcomers in te industry, but these "newcomers to the mobile phone business" aren't small, trustworthy companies, they're Canadian-based multinationals, like the shady Quebecor.

No alternatives? Don't use a wireless phone. They are not needed. I purchased one back in 2003 thinking I would use it all the time. I carried it with me, had it at my desk at work, and decided it would be my only phone - landline or otherwise. I soon realized that it's useless when I'm always 20 feet away from a phone and got rid of it. I now pay $30 a month for landline phone which includes caller ID, call waiting, and voicemail.

Wireless phones are overrated.

Damn, I hate the Canadian wireless industry. The government won't help keep prices fair, and they won't let in any useful competition. WTF?

(MrA said @ #8)
Damn, I hate the Canadian wireless industry. The government won't help keep prices fair, and they won't let in any useful competition. WTF?

we should stop harper's party from forming the govt in next election

(imis said @ #8.1)

we should stop harper's party from forming the govt in next election

Oh please. It's been this way since the wireless technology first entered Canada. No particular government will change or fix anything. It's all CRTC regulated so unless you dissolve that council you won't change a thing. If anything, the CRTC is preventing the government from taking over and jacking up the prices even more, not to mention the censorship they would do if they got involved.

The sad thing is... I live there. Will I ever be able to afford a stupid cellphone?

Not that I'm poor, I'd class myself in the middle-high class, but I want to pay as less monthly charges as possible. Now, I'd have to pay like 50 bucks for a stupid phone (I don't like to talk that much on the phone, 2-3 mins a day does it), and instead of lowering the prices, they are going up the hill.

yeah i thought about it... but then again, first of all the cards expire after 30 days, no matter how much you used it, or didn't use it (meaning that you ALWAYS end up losing minutes if you don't talk a lot)

Second, it is STILL as expensive. For 15 bucks I think, I can get vocal messages and see who's calling me, as well as a couple of other useless features. I can't see myself without the second thing.

Then I want the Internet (ok I have to admit that I specifically want an iPhone, so an iPhone without the Internet is a joke). Basically, it would cost me 50-80 per month, which means 600-960 per year, for a student who can work only during summer, well no thanks.

Generally, Canada is one of the most überly retarded country in the world of telecommunications.

You can't have your cake and eat it too. I mean, you don't want to pay too much, yet you seem to want all the luxuries and an iPhone on top of it.

How about just getting the necessities first if you're so concerned about price?

Honestly, 30 bucks a month for a couple of minutes and like 50 SMS, I still think it's theft. I can easily afford it, but it's theft no matter what, and on top of that I get no option. I wouldn't believe them if they told me the network was really that expensive for them. They steal us as much as oil companies do, except that oil is a much bigger market.

Fuel is something you need to get from point A to point B though. Internet on a phone is just a luxury.

I pay $25 or so every 3-4 months for minutes that don't expire for a year and receive incoming texts free with a T-Mobile prepaid. I just use the computer to text back or simply call them. :P

My phone only cost me $30 too with free shipping.

(PsykX said @ #6.2)
yeah i thought about it... but then again, first of all the cards expire after 30 days, no matter how much you used it, or didn't use it (meaning that you ALWAYS end up losing minutes if you don't talk a lot)

Second, it is STILL as expensive. For 15 bucks I think, I can get vocal messages and see who's calling me, as well as a couple of other useless features. I can't see myself without the second thing.

Then I want the Internet (ok I have to admit that I specifically want an iPhone, so an iPhone without the Internet is a joke). Basically, it would cost me 50-80 per month, which means 600-960 per year, for a student who can work only during summer, well no thanks.

Generally, Canada is one of the most überly retarded country in the world of telecommunications.

Tell me about it!! I use Rogers PAYG and that 30 days thing is completely insane. I payed for those minutes, why should I not be able to use them anytime I want? Like it costs Rogers anything to have those minutes active on my account. I think this should be illegal. If they have to have an expiry, it should be at least 6 months. I go to China a few times a year, sometimes 5 months apart, and when I get back there, my account is still active, with the minutes I payed for still on there.

In contrast look at Rogers. My dad passed away last month, so I didn't use my cell much during the last month and a half or so. I had over $20 in my account. The other day I go to use it, and the money had "expired". What kind of BS is that?!?!? What other industry gets away with stealing money from your account simply because you didn't use it in 30 days?

I'm glad I live in the UK when it comes to mobile phones. I'm on PAYG - my credit never expires and it costs me nothing to receive calls / texts or check my voicemail. However, I was very annoyed when my provider (Virgin Mobile) decided to start charging me to see how much credit I have left... that's pretty low. I'm thinking of changing networks but I haven't bothered looking into it just yet.

Charging for anything incoming is pretty ridiculous. Unless you can white list and or chose to not answer (or in the case of text messages, not receive) a specific message then you should not be responsible for that message. It's like charging for each e-mail sent to you, it's insane.

That said, I think the whole texting craze is stupid... of course I also hate talking on the phone in the first place :)

Edit: Oh yeah, the markup on text messages is so ****ing stupid. I really don't understand how people justify paying for it each month at the prices they pay, but alas free market.

Charged for recieving a text?? What sort of a ****ed up world are we living in! (A bit OTT i know)

I'm glad such practices would never be introduced in the UK as i'm sure OFCOM would not allow them!!

i think they are currently not allowed in europe to protect the consumer. that doesn't mean they won't ever be allowed, the modern networks are in very healthy competition. i think the free marekt would do fine regulating it now.

How can someone legally charge you for something you didn't order? If someone sends you a message, he should pay all the charges. Otherwise, a telecom should first ask you if you want to receive a text each time someone sends it to you.

(buletov said @ #4.2)
How can someone legally charge you for something you didn't order? If someone sends you a message, he should pay all the charges. Otherwise, a telecom should first ask you if you want to receive a text each time someone sends it to you.


Common sense isn't allowed here in the US, we get charged to receive text and we also get charged if someone calls us on our cell phones. I haven't found any justification for it, but it's what all the providers do.

well they can legally do it because you agree to it when using their service. and the justification is that it still costs the network money whether you are the ongoing or incoming. in a way it's fairer because someone who just get incominng still pays for the network.

(mad_onion said @ #4.4)
well they can legally do it because you agree to it when using their service. and the justification is that it still costs the network money whether you are the ongoing or incoming. in a way it's fairer because someone who just get incominng still pays for the network.

Would you like to pay for incoming e-mails too? Or what about just normal incoming long distance phone calls? Its the same thing. Also, the markup is already stupid enough on text messages... I think they're making enough to not only keep the network going but to expand it

(mad_onion said @ #4.1)
i think they are currently not allowed in europe to protect the consumer. that doesn't mean they won't ever be allowed, the modern networks are in very healthy competition. i think the free marekt would do fine regulating it now.

But in Canada, only three wireless carriers dominate the industry and the CRTC (Canadian Radio and Telecommunications Commission) don't allow foreign companies such as AT&T and T-Mobile to operate in Canada. Bell and Telus control the CDMA transmissions, while Rogers has a monopoly over GSM. Henceforth, I do not trust the free market to fix this problem.

Shame the same can't be said in Australia the goverment has no control over Telstra, they do what they want, how they want. The goverment tried to get in another telco for a national project, Telstra sued them (and won) for unfair practices! the nerve of them...they already have an monopoly of the market. It will only be a matter of time till Australia adopts this practice...

In the US they charge for incoming too.

One mentioning that wasn't in the article is that if you have a unlimited text bundle you don't get charged at all for incoming texts.

FOUL! Thank goodness I'm with Rogers, as they don't do such charges for now. But unfortunately, I wouldn't be surprised if even they eventually follow suit.

(MulletRobZ said @ #1)
FOUL! Thank goodness I'm with Rogers, as they don't do such charges for now. But unfortunately, I wouldn't be surprised if even they eventually follow suit.

Bell says that they will charge wholesalers for bandwidth over a certain limit and will throttle p2p traffic as well before it reaches the ISP, so ISPs that lease lines from them will have to pass the cost down to the consumer.