China Official vows to 'purify' Web

Chinese Communist Party chief Hu Jintao has vowed to "purify" the Internet, during a top-level meeting that discussed ways to control China's 137 million registered users (at the end of 2006). Hu believes it is necessary to "strengthen administration and development of our country's Internet culture" and "maintain the initiative in opinion on the Internet and raise the level of guidance online. We must promote civilized running and use of the Internet and purify the Internet environment." According to the China Internet Network Information Center, 10.5% of China's population is on the Internet. The vast majority of those users have no access to overseas Chinese Web sites offering uncensored opinion and news critical of the ruling party. News of official misdeeds and dissident opinion has, however, been leaking through online bulletin boards and blogs. Hu Jinatao strongly emphasized that this is unacceptable.

News source: CNN

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Actually, the difference between China and the West isn't that big - with their immense cesorship efforts, countless restrictions and whatnot China is becoming more and more like a western movement of not too long ago: the Nazis in WWII Germany :confused:

Inspite of the countless atrocities the Nazis did, there's still a good amount of supporters of their movement and their ideas - like a certain person above who named himself after a programming language :confused:

in time nazi germany might not seem far away, but comparing those two kinds of germany makes you think it's way further away.
anyways... I think one should "purify" this oh sooo "civilized" Chinese government
Oh and what's best: I don't live in China and therefore I can say that a thousands times...
KMA Chinese government!

-fm

loll @ all the all the people that say that the Chinese people choose to live like that. Don't you realise that a lot of them have been suppressed and could not even express their true views? Not to notice that during the so-called 'cultural revolution' Mao brainwashed thousands of children to report and murder their own parents. Not to mention that the Communist government have killed off way more Chinese themselves than Japan during WW2 or any other country that would've invaded in the past.

But now, since there have been a lot of chinese who are starting to question the suppression, you can see the Communist government wants to shut them all up again so most of the people who do want more rights cannot express their opinion as they greatly risk jail or death.

Its not up to you or me to tell the Chinese people how to live
Ji@nBing is right You can not apply your values and way of thinking to the Chinese
The Chinese are great people and I think they know what is right for them

everyone in any country should have a right to free speech to say what they whant to say no matter what there race cooler or cred. does this salve this argument.

This is crap. Its kind of like how North Korea won't allow any bad information into the country. I am not saying that China is even close to as bad as North Korea, but they shouldn't limit what their public views. People have the right to form an opinion about their government!

^ See my reply to post#3. You can't apply your values and way of thinking to the Chinese. They are different than people in the west. Nothing wrong with that, but strict rules are needed to keep order there.

Ji@nBing said,
^ See my reply to post#3. You can't apply your values and way of thinking to the Chinese. They are different than people in the west. Nothing wrong with that, but strict rules are needed to keep order there.

you should go live in china then. because i will apply my values and way of thinking to what ever i damn well please. thats why they are my values. and likewise, every citizen in China should be able to apply there values and way of thinking to what ever the hell they want, its a basic human right.

were all Human, geography is irrelevant. with your rational it was ok for white people to own slaves maybe, because black people are from Africa and there different type of people and should be forced into labor.

its not about keeping order. its about keeping a subservient populous. people who know nothing else cant demand anything else. what would be the worst possible scenario for the chines government? people wanting freedom. because no amount of military might could hold back the destructive force of a billion people who realize they have been cheated out of basic human rights. hell, 250,000 rag tag soon-to-be-americans fought off the largest military power the world had ever seen for their independence.

Ji@nBing said,
^ See my reply to post#3. You can't apply your values and way of thinking to the Chinese. They are different than people in the west. Nothing wrong with that, but strict rules are needed to keep order there.

Ji@nBing, the Chinese government has to do what they have to do. That's a fact.

hat doesn't mean there shouldn't be a progressive movement in China, that can do something whenever the moment arises; or that we shouldn't be behind everything they do. That there are dissident groups there means they don't think that dissimilarly. The government in Russia was overthrown eventually. A lot of people think capitalism will change everything, but the power structure has to be challenged eventually also, capitalism doesn't work without people promoting changes.

The Internet is going to help change China either way, it already is, so removing censorship is probably going to be one of the first changes if there ever is a change in government.

"10.5% of China’s population is on the Internet. The vast majority of those users have no access to overseas Chinese Web sites offering uncensored opinion"

And yet they somehow still find a way to spam the fudge out of us on ebay...

qdave said,
actually i think its great! there is too much useless stuff on the internet.

I hereby decree that qdave is useless. :P

Does not matter, we still build factories there, send billions in business there, buy tons of products from there (Wal-Mart) and continue to support them in every way possible in the name of cheaper prices.

Communication is the key to weakening and eventually destroying oppressive regimes such as that in China, and it seems as though they're very much aware of the threat that the Internet poses.

Exactly what I was addressing in my comment... What exactly is wrong with this "regime?" Do you think you are better than China? Do you think you could do a better job controlling a billion people in a country with limited natural resources?

Considering that China is doing just that successfully, and at the same rate growing so much that it will overtake the USA as the world's biggest super power within your life time, I think they are doing quite well.

C++ said,
Exactly what I was addressing in my comment... What exactly is wrong with this "regime?" Do you think you are better than China? Do you think you could do a better job controlling a billion people in a country with limited natural resources?

Considering that China is doing just that successfully, and at the same rate growing so much that it will overtake the USA as the world's biggest super power within your life time, I think they are doing quite well.


THe fact that they are controlling the people, and feeding them nothing but propaganda, is the very problem.

C++ said,
Exactly what I was addressing in my comment... What exactly is wrong with this "regime?" Do you think you are better than China? Do you think you could do a better job controlling a billion people in a country with limited natural resources?

Considering that China is doing just that successfully, and at the same rate growing so much that it will overtake the USA as the world's biggest super power within your life time, I think they are doing quite well.

Exactly. All you people that are criticizing them, do you know the Chinese people very well? Ever spent some time in China? My girlfriend of 6 years is Chinese and I spent a few years in China. I go there a few times a year (in fact I just got back from there a few days ago). Chinese people are very different than us in the west and they think very, very differently. You can't apply your values and way of thinking to them because they are different. The Chinese government has to be very strict, controlling, and heavy handed to maintain order there. There are billions of very uneducated people there that don't think and act "rationally" by our standards in the west. They get an idea in their heads, and it would be chaos there. Just look at the Cultural Revolution and even the anti-Japanese protests of a couple of years ago for examples of what can happen there if people get out of control.

Ji@nBing said,
Exactly. All you people that are criticizing them, do you know the Chinese people very well? Ever spent some time in China? My girlfriend of 6 years is Chinese and I spent a few years in China. I go there a few times a year (in fact I just got back from there a few days ago). Chinese people are very different than us in the west and they think very, very differently. You can't apply your values and way of thinking to them because they are different. The Chinese government has to be very strict, controlling, and heavy handed to maintain order there. There are billions of very uneducated people there that don't think and act "rationally" by our standards in the west. They get an idea in their heads, and it would be chaos there. Just look at the Cultural Revolution and even the anti-Japanese protests of a couple of years ago for examples of what can happen there if people get out of control.

Why is it you think there are so many uneducated an unruly people there? I think you answered your own question - A+ for effort through

v0ltage789 said,

Why is it you think there are so many uneducated an unruly people there? I think you answered your own question - A+ for effort through :rolleyes:

Because a lot of people there are poor and can't go to school. They work on farms or in factories for only a few hundred dollars per year. You can blame the government on that if you want, but fact is it's been like that for thousands of years and it's not going to change overnight. But the government is doing a pretty damn good job of bringing money into the country and improving quality of life.

Again, you can sit there in your comfy chair and judge all you want, but I'm telling you it would be a total disaster to give the people there freedom at this point. As someone who has been going there for several years, I can tell you that is eventually coming as it's different there every year I go. They are slowly working towards it, but they have to do it smart. I would expect it will take another 15-20 years for their reforms to be complete. In the mean time, they need to be very strict and heavy handed to maintain order there. Especially at the rate they are growing, the gap between the rich and poor is growing and the rich only getting richer, poorer people are feeling left behind. The poorer people will be included eventually, but they have to grow from the rich down, not the other way around. You may not like it, but it's just the way it is.

A+ for effort, but you have no idea what you are talking about on the matter.

C++ said,
Exactly what I was addressing in my comment... What exactly is wrong with this "regime?" Do you think you are better than China? Do you think you could do a better job controlling a billion people in a country with limited natural resources?

Considering that China is doing just that successfully, and at the same rate growing so much that it will overtake the USA as the world's biggest super power within your life time, I think they are doing quite well.

You also talk as if none of this was happening without the help of the US. If we changed our policies towards China things would change.

Ji@nBing said,
The poorer people will be included eventually, but they have to grow from the rich down, not the other way around. You may not like it, but it's just the way it is.

Unless the rich have a way of earning profit that doesn't have to include the poor, which is what I think is happening. The poor may be included eventually but I think it will require a challenge to policy and government some time.

What happens is that some policy is only useful to such a length, and there are then a lot of politics that go to support that policy, that are only useful to such a length. But people in power don't know when to stop a policy.

Too many people in both the West and in China are relying on this idea that the wealth will eventually be spread and this will also lead to freedoms, allowing them to lay back on actually spreading the wealth and creating freedoms. A lot more could be done if they didn't lay back.

One thing they're doing that doesn't necessarily need to be done is that they're putting wealth before freedoms. Russia did something differently, even though they had a large poor population. China was always more democratic than Russia, in my understanding. Russia is still messy today, and it isn't necessarily a model; but China's way isn't the only way. A lot of what China's way includes is appeasing people in power and Marxist sentiments at the same time they try to reform the country. Which also includes appeasing Western corporations.

But like I said their government does what they think they need to do, so its something that has to be figured out there.

You can call this ridiculous, but actions based on this mentality have already started to justify themselves in the UK and US, say, within the last five to ten years.