Congress moves to safeguard laptops

The right to search laptop data will be limited under a new bill introduced to the US Senate today. Three Democratic senators introduced a bill to ensure that the existing rules for the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) are altered to protect data from random searches.

"Most Americans would be shocked to learn that upon their return to the U.S. from traveling abroad, the government could demand the password to their laptop, hold it for as long as it wants, pore over their documents, emails, and photographs, and examine which websites they visited – all without any suggestion of wrong-doing," Senator Russ Feingold said.

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(nmesisca said @ #11)
No one can force you to reveal your passwords, under no circumstance.

Plausible deniability.

depends. having a hidden encrypted partition (tru crypt) would provide you that luxery. your system login password on the other hand could be subpoenaed by a judge and you either provide the password or go to jail for obstruction of justice.

(Nose Nuggets said @ #11.2)

depends. having a hidden encrypted partition (tru crypt) would provide you that luxery. your system login password on the other hand could be subpoenaed by a judge and you either provide the password or go to jail for obstruction of justice.


not even a judge can make you reveal your passwords.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-9834495-38.html
and many other like this one.

(statm1 said @ #11.1)
You don't have to give up your password. But they will prolong you so you miss your flight.. Easy as that..

they still wont get the password.
i can wait.
then after I am released, I pay a visit to a couple newspapers
I may not win, but im going to make it a living hell for them to get what they want.

And has been in effect for quite some time now. It's funny, how uninformed some people are, that crap like this goes on, and now that legislature is being pushed to stop this, you all get your panties in a wad that this was happening.

Get informed.

(39 Thieves said @ #9.2)
And has been in effect for quite some time now. It's funny, how uninformed some people are, that crap like this goes on, and now that legislature is being pushed to stop this, you all get your panties in a wad that this was happening.

Get informed.


dude,
I think you mean stopped for American citizens.
That doesnt change anything for foreigners.

Unfortunately yes. I just don't think they have really been exercising it too much. If they were then they would of held up the router that I sent overseas either on the way out or the way back.

(nmesisca said @ #7)
even more easily, and at no cost, install TrueCrypt and be on your merry way.

Yep, then they just keep your laptop until you either produce they key or it rots.

(GreyWolfSC said @ #7.1)

Yep, then they just keep your laptop until you either produce they key or it rots.


They can keep it,
it will take them a couple months to decrypt the whole thing, and some quite expensive equipment dedicated to the job.
I can spend another 250euro for a laptop. Can they invest their money on decrypting (for every laptop they have)?

No, you can make a hidden volume, inside the main volume, with a separate password.

If they demand to see inside, you just give them a password for the visible volume (containing just a few files to keep them happy).


If a country can be threatened by data on a harddrive, then it probably isn't worth protecting in the first place.

You want to protect your laptop from the prying eyes if the government? It's a pain, but here's how you do it.
Get a 2nd hard drive. Put everything on it except the confidential documents. Put them on a thumb drive. Take your "real" hard drive and overnight it to where you are going. When you get there, pop it in. When you go back home, overnight it back home and reverse the procedure. Expensive, pain in the butt, but the federal government HAS NO BUSINESS INSIDE MY LAPTOP WITHOUT A DAMN SEARCH WARRANT!

(naap51stang said @ #6)
You want to protect your laptop from the prying eyes if the government? It's a pain, but here's how you do it.
Get a 2nd hard drive. Put everything on it except the confidential documents. Put them on a thumb drive. Take your "real" hard drive and overnight it to where you are going. When you get there, pop it in. When you go back home, overnight it back home and reverse the procedure. Expensive, pain in the butt, but the federal government HAS NO BUSINESS INSIDE MY LAPTOP WITHOUT A DAMN SEARCH WARRANT!

Um too bad customs will know what is in the box and possibly search it there? anything that leaves the country via shipping can be searched by customs

Uh, I imagine many computer parts are sent internationally? Why they have to inspect it any more than seeing that it is simply a hard drive is beyond me.

Better still, take the hard drive out of your laptop and install the OS itself on a 32 gig thumb drive. Plug it in and boot up when you want to use it, then shut it down and put the drive in your pocket when you're done. Then they can search your laptop to their heart's content!

I'd rather Disassemble my laptop and give it to them like that. I'd love to see them try to piece it all together :P

Neztea

(Nestea_M@n said @ #5)
I'd rather Disassemble my laptop and give it to them like that. I'd love to see them try to piece it all together :P

Neztea

Why's that make a difference? all they need is your hard drive or its platters and they can get what ever they want

(KavazovAngel said @ #4)
Hmm, I guess I'll bring my desktop then. Since they search laptops. :laugh:

Yeah doesn't work that way, it's any and all electronic devices they deem a risk. Once the agent makes up his or her mind that the device is a risk. They will take it.

I am nipping into America on Thursday for the first time in my life. Gues I won't be taking the laptop lol

Really tho, are they expecting someone to smuggle a terrorist on their hard drive?

Yep, we have to deal with Bush's sorry ass until January 20th next year until the next president (Obama I hope) goes to the White House

(DaDog V12 said @ #1.1)
Yep, we have to deal with Bush's sorry ass until January 20th next year until the next president (Obama I hope) goes to the White House

Why? If you think it is going to be better your 100% wrong dose not matter who it is. Ill bet my life on it.

(Typhon said @ #1.2)

Why? If you think it is going to be better your 100% wrong dose not matter who it is. Ill bet my life on it.

You do that.... :rolleyes:

Do you live in the US? Can you vote? Are you going to?

(GreyWolfSC said @ #1.3)

You do that.... :rolleyes:

Do you live in the US? Can you vote? Are you going to?


Yea I live in the USA and I am registered to vote and I do vote. Did I hurt your feelings because you are a Obama supporter? Or do you just get your feelings hurt easy? It will not make a difference democrat or republican. They all want to do the same thing over and over again. You will see your proof, we will still be at war and in debt from money made out of thin air and on and on. It has been a down fall for what about 90+ years, so what proof do you need? Politicians cannot fix things. It is impossible, and the likely hood of it to change will take the mind set of all America's to change. All I hear is change and believe but it will never change when corruption and greed run freely.

(Typhon said @ #1.4)


Yea I live in the USA and I am registered to vote and I do vote. Did I hurt your feelings because you are a Obama supporter? Or do you just get your feelings hurt easy? It will not make a difference democrat or republican. They all want to do the same thing over and over again. You will see your proof, we will still be at war and in debt from money made out of thin air and on and on. It has been a down fall for what about 90+ years, so what proof do you need? Politicians cannot fix things. It is impossible, and the likely hood of it to change will take the mind set of all America's to change. All I hear is change and believe but it will never change when corruption and greed run freely.

This.

people fail to realize that most of our current establishments (religion, government, money) are all old an outdated; but we continue to elect president and other officials to keep things the same. keep the status quo. there is more free renewable energy then we could ever use but because we are duped into believing we have a scarcity of resources people dont mind working the majority of their lives to pay debts to bankers who make money out of nothing. do a little research on the Fractional Reserve system and open your eyes.

(Nose Nuggets said @ #1.5)

This.

people fail to realize that most of our current establishments (religion, government, money) are all old an outdated; but we continue to elect president and other officials to keep things the same. keep the status quo. there is more free renewable energy then we could ever use but because we are duped into believing we have a scarcity of resources people dont mind working the majority of their lives to pay debts to bankers who make money out of nothing. do a little research on the Fractional Reserve system and open your eyes.

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