Could Windows 7 use on touchscreen tech?

Microsoft revealed earlier this week that Windows Vista's successor – codenamed Windows 7 – is scheduled to be released in 2010. But what the company is not making clear is what new features the OS will have, a topic that has become fodder for educated speculation. Analysts said Microsoft is probably keeping tight-lipped about what Windows 7 will look like because at this point, company engineers and executives don't even know. "They don't want to commit because they don't have a good idea what's in it," said Gartner analyst Michael Silver. "We're three years out, so you can't really expect that much detail."

Michael Cherry, an analyst with Directions on Microsoft, said with so many people still in the midst of upgrading to the latest client OS, Windows Vista, he's hesitant to speculate on what might be in Windows 7. "We barely know the features of the one we just got," he said. Windows Vista includes new features such as desktop search and a new user interface, which also are two areas that leave room for expansion in Windows 7, analysts said.

Microsoft has shown the direction it's going with the latter with its Surface computer, introduced in late May. That form factor looks like a coffee table with a touchscreen interface that lets users move photos around by hand synchronise devices by placing them on the table.

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I'm going to guess that we won't be hearing about features for quite some time, mostly due to the mess that was Vista's development. How much of the feature list was axed? I'm sure that there is no way the Redmond devil will let that happen again.

As usual, it turns into another Vista forum!

Every single forum on the internet that I visit ends up slating or otherwise Vista instead of sticking to the subject in question?

Get over it!

If Vista works for you then fine, use it, if it doesn't then stick with XP or whatever else you use! Vista is like any other released operating system. It has only been out a short while and the hardware/software vendors have still to catch up!


We may see touchscreen tech in OS X sooner, given the iPhone has Multi-Touch and is running Leopard Lite. But of course it won't be suitable for all applications.

In fact I'd like to see a touchscreen "iPad" that only did internet, e-mail, widgets and word processing. Fully fledged computers are too powerful for most people's needs.

I been pondering on the abilities of this surface table computer and its UI and what it could bring to the table in the future it will be quite interesting indeed!

Windows 7 looks to be an awesome OS... very impressed to what I have read ans seen at the moment.

What happens if you have just come out of thr shower and there is an important email and you touch the screen with wet dripping fingers...? Poof there goes your monitor. Also, they will have to improve on the already used touch screen monitors technology.

Anti drop protection
Anti grease protection
Anti smudge protection

Monitor prices will go through the roof, because touch screen monitors are not cheap either.

Windows 7 looks to be an awesome OS... very impressed to what I have read ans seen at the moment.

Huh?? Not one feature have been confirmed for it. This article is pure speculation.

Im gonna order it pre-loaded on my 'StarTrek Enterprise XL5' computer with the mind control or telepathy option and probably order the 'beam-me-up' flashdrive w/12gigs of WarpSpeed Ram.

Forget touchscreen technology - I want to control Windows 7 with golf clubs. I want to be able to browse the internet using nothing but a 9-iron.

The surface computing is really revoloutional. According to surface press release, its already powered by Windows Vista.

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It's also not exactly the same type of touchscreen that you'd normally think of like all these people above are talking about.

People say Microsoft aren't original and don't do anything revolutionary. Look at Surface and the things that can be done with it. Nothing like that has ever been done.

Cryingcure said,
It's also not exactly the same type of touchscreen that you'd normally think of like all these people above are talking about.

People say Microsoft aren't original and don't do anything revolutionary. Look at Surface and the things that can be done with it. Nothing like that has ever been done.

It was being developed before MS picked the project.
Given that the multiple input interface is quite old now, I'd rather say it's evolutionary. But cool nonetheless.

Cryingcure said,
It's also not exactly the same type of touchscreen that you'd normally think of like all these people above are talking about.

People say Microsoft aren't original and don't do anything revolutionary. Look at Surface and the things that can be done with it. Nothing like that has ever been done.

Uh, I wouldn't say that it is revolutionary, but agreeing to the previous comment, it is cool, and evolutionary. Anyway, I have already managed to do the same using my 19" touchscreen LCD (yeah, I know that isn't as big as the coffee table Bill has) using my Linux running Compiz Fusion. I could add rain, snow effects etc. The bulk of the price comes from the screen itself, not the computer

I think the article is talking more of adopting the Surface tech in the future, and Vista doesn't have that. It took me a while to get the difference between that and regular touchscreens, but apparently having many people collaborate on a single display is more reliable with the Surface tech? I'm still not quite sure about that though because that should only be an implementation detail of the touch screen software. Touch screens have been around since AGES back and working well enough to me, and all they're doing is reporting where the users have their fingers/pens.

is scheduled to be released in 2010

So, it'll hit the shelves with reduced functionality from what was promised, in... 2015?

Could Windows 7 use on touchscreen tech?

Could Windows 7 use on Flux Condenser tech?

What's up with all this Windows 7 no-news?

Or rather old speculative news as the article is also from a few days ago and is older than the articles posted prior to it.

I'd never want a touch screen... they get way to annoying to use in an environment where moving a mouse and typing is very common... such as programming... and touch screens are not percise like a mouse cursor is

Ok, that's understandable. But also realize (and you very well may) that what you and I want is not relevant to what other users want.

I had a chance to play with MS Surface at a demo here in NYC a few weeks back, and I love it. (not the price... yet) A mouse is not the optimum way to control data. However there are times when something like a pen/pencil for a precise touch will be required. But MS Surface can be used with a pen type device that will have a RFID or Bluetooth.

I think that touchscreen will have a bigger impact and usage in the next 10 years than most people realize. But it wont be for all applications.

Peace,
James Rose
New York City

jameswjrose said,
Ok, that's understandable. But also realize (and you very well may) that what you and I want is not relevant to what other users want.

I had a chance to play with MS Surface at a demo here in NYC a few weeks back, and I love it. (not the price... yet) A mouse is not the optimum way to control data. However there are times when something like a pen/pencil for a precise touch will be required. But MS Surface can be used with a pen type device that will have a RFID or Bluetooth.

I think that touchscreen will have a bigger impact and usage in the next 10 years than most people realize. But it wont be for all applications.

Peace,
James Rose
New York City

There is far more of a difference between surface computing and just touch screens... surface computing is used for large scale objects and non-percise manipulation... when you work with real data, that just does not work out... you dont want to physically touch database rows... if really has no significance of being "touched" surface computing is more pratical for restruants, expo's and home coffee tables, stuff where you manipulate stuff on a large scale... i wouldnt want to be using a word processor with 12 point print by hand... that takes percise manipulation... and drawing... thast why we have wacom tablets... personally i dont like tablet pc screens because of the paralex where on one side its right on but because of the 3d space and distance between the touch area and the screen you get an offset depending at the angle you look at it... its not as percise as it could be...

I think that touchscreen will have a bigger impact and usage in the next 10 years than most people realize. But it wont be for all applications.

Touchscreens have been around for so long without making a big impact besides in portable space-limited applications, and I think that ought to tell a bit about their future and where they'll be used. Compare a Pocket PC to a stationary PC and which one you work quicker with. As neufuse says above, I think the applications it'll be used for (and the applications they are used for) won't be file managers, games, programming tools, graphics design applications, etc where you either need to type a lot or have precision in selecting and drawing things. But things where you do not need the precision, like in specially designed UI's for public computers where you press big buttons on a screen. In other cases, the precision just get annoying and I see no real way working around that. Even Microsoft's new initiative with their Surface technology claims it's not intended for general usage, but navigating in public computer UI's.

neufuse said,
i wouldnt want to be using a word processor with 12 point print by hand... that takes percise manipulation... and drawing... thast why we have wacom tablets... personally i dont like tablet pc screens because of the paralex where on one side its right on but because of the 3d space and distance between the touch area and the screen you get an offset depending at the angle you look at it... its not as percise as it could be...

Ok, fair enough. I agree that many business and database apps will not use this technology, and word processing/email and other text based apps are just not going to use this. (but for those I still FEEL that we'll be deal with speach to text and such... but there's a human adaption issue there)

My office already wants a MS Surface for a business app we currently have, and where using your hands would be much better. But I do see your point.

Peace,
James

I get so tired of people trashing Vista. There is NOTHING wrong with Vista (except for being overpriced), and in fact its more stable and faster than XP is. Anyone using it knows that. Not the people who tried it one day and uninstalled it. And I'm not even a Microsoft fanboy.

As for this touchscreen in the next version. That will do nothing to sell it, and I can only see that as being an option. Since no one has touch screens, and I wouldn't want a touch screen. It just makes for more work to clean all the prints off constantly.

Umm, your computer isn't the same as everyone elses. People have different experiences with the same software, which is why more and more developers release public beta versions of their software before releasing updates as finals. Just because you're not having problems doesn't mean anyone who does is simply saying so to spite Microsoft.

Express said,
Vista Tablet PCs have full support for touchscreens. The UMPCs have touchscreens for example

What is the difference between tablet support in vista and touchscreen support in windows 7? Are they not the same thing?

Are microsoft basically saying windows 7 is gonna have the same feature as windows vista?

Deviate_X said,

What is the difference between tablet support in vista and touchscreen support in windows 7? Are they not the same thing?

Are microsoft basically saying windows 7 is gonna have the same feature as windows vista?

Where in the article did you get that from? They said nothing at all that resembles that. They said that they don't know anything about Windows 7 yet. They've barely done any research into it.

Express said,
Vista Tablet PCs have full support for touchscreens. The UMPCs have touchscreens for example

WindowsXP Tablet PCs have full support for touchscreens. This is OLD technology...

8-n-1 said,
WindowsXP Tablet PCs have full support for touchscreens. This is OLD technology...
When I used to work in a restaurant a couple of years back we had touchscreen tills running on Win98, so it's older than XP

acxz said,
Umm, your computer isn't the same as everyone elses. People have different experiences with the same software, which is why more and more developers release public beta versions of their software before releasing updates as finals. Just because you're not having problems doesn't mean anyone who does is simply saying so to spite Microsoft.

The point he, and others made, is that vista has been bashed in this thread (and others) with no reason why. I use Vista at work and at home and love it. Sure in the beginning I had a few driver problems but heck, do you remember when XP came out? Same thing. People seem to forget that XP had all the same problems when it was first introduced.

It comes down to: Do you fear or embrace change?

Esvandiary said,
Honestly, what are you lot on about? My 386 running Windows 3.1 had touchscreen!

... OK, maybe not ;)

Actually, there were stylus based laptops running Windows 3.1 ages ago.

What advantages are there of upgrading from XP to Vista? Some people here say its supposedly faster? Is there some backing to this? My friend who has used Vista for about 6 months now decided to backtrack to XP. He said it felt XP was a lot faster going back.

Esvandiary said,
Honestly, what are you lot on about? My 386 running Windows 3.1 had touchscreen!

... OK, maybe not ;)

Actually, I recall seeing an advertisement for a 386/20 laptop announcing "will be available with touchscreen."

Touchscreens lose because they're terrible for detail work. A mouse may be slightly clumsy if you want to just click big huge buttons, but a fat finger is not good for pixel-perfect work.

metalguy90 said,
first post... woot!

Saying that just makes you look immature. There's no prize or nothing at all to get excited about.

metalguy90 said,
let's hope they learned from all their mistakes with Vista. ;)
first post... woot!

What mistakes with Vista? It's a damn good operating system. Get off the Vista bashing bandwagon and actually use it before you make such erroneous statements.

Cryingcure said,

Saying that just makes you look immature. There's no prize or nothing at all to get excited about.

Somebody forgot their happy pill today!!! ^^^^

MajinDark said,

What mistakes with Vista? It's a damn good operating system. Get off the Vista bashing bandwagon and actually use it before you make such erroneous statements.

Many, and no it's not. I, however, am not on a bandwagon, have been using it since it was Longhorn, and hold fast to my opinion that it's a half-assed joke compared to what it could have been, and what was promised. Nothing but a stop-gap bloated pig to appease their stockholders until something substantial can be put out.

metalguy90 said,
let's hope they learned from all their mistakes with Vista. ;)
first post... woot!

And just what are those mistakes? Yeah I thoughts so, nothing! You probably are still on Windows 98 SE and posted that from your Pentium 133 in your parents basement. Vista does not install on things that old, its not a mistake, just common sense.

MajinDark said,
What mistakes with Vista? It's a damn good operating system. Get off the Vista bashing bandwagon and actually use it before you make such erroneous statements.

Agreed.

Smctainsh

phantasmorph said,

Many, and no it's not. I, however, am not on a bandwagon, have been using it since it was Longhorn, and hold fast to my opinion that it's a half-assed joke compared to what it could have been, and what was promised. Nothing but a stop-gap bloated pig to appease their stockholders until something substantial can be put out.

And since it's very highly unlikely you are a stockholder, you have really no say and second of all, if you were a stockholder, you would be happy with any release to keep unit values stable.

But based on your immature replies, it's clear you don't.

toadeater said,

Go take a look at any Vista support forum.

With that logic every single OS sucks equally... support forums are called support forum for a reason.

Elendil said,

With that logic every single OS sucks equally... support forums are called support forum for a reason.

+1

Every OS has it's share of problems and so on. People are so quick to forget the problems Win2k and XP both had when they first came out. Not to mention that many problems people have with Vista are related to poor hardware drivers and apps that aren't compatible yet. Both of those are outside of MSs control. IHV and ISVs have had months to get their hardware and software to work with Vista.