Current Next-Gen Sales Figures = Nintendo #1 by Christmas?

So will all the hype surrounding the big next-gen console launches, mainly the PS3 and Wii of course - who exactly is in the lead right now in sales? Who will be numero uno by the end of 2007? Who will ask more questions in the opening paragraph than me?

At this point in the big next-gen wars, Microsoft is clearly in the lead at this point. According to VGCharts Microsoft has sold around 8.4 Million 360 units worldwide so far since the launch of the system in 2005. This figure is a little smaller than the 10.4 Million that Microsoft states from CES yesterday. Regardless, with a year in sales before the competition, Microsoft is clearly in the lead.

Nintendo on the other hand comes along this past November, and gives us the Wii. So far, Nintendo has sold almost exactly 4 Million units. That's right, in a little over a month and a half the Wii has sold nearly half the amount of Xbox 360's already. I'm sure the Nintendo people are very happy over these numbers, and rightfully so.

Sony also this past November, released the Playstation 3. I won't go into a debate over the supply and demand issue here. Needless to say Sony has sold about 1.4 Million units so far. Hardly a bad figure mind you. However that puts Sony squarely in "3rd place" as it were in the console wars for this round. At least at this point. Still, Sony has had their best console launch ever (it beats out the PS2 launch) and has outsold the Xbox 360's launch numbers as well.

So where are we then. Well it was pretty obvious going into the first "round" here that Nintendo would win it easily. We all knew that Nintendo had billions of consoles ready to be flown in from Saturn and the Andromeda galaxy if needed. So these numbers are not surprising. Sony should be pretty happy so far, what with all the doom and gloom predictions from everyone that the Playstation 3 is already a failure. It is not, and far from it. It just hasn't sold as much as the others - yet. Microsoft, obviously the leader at this point, already has Nintendo chomping at the gates here. Within a few months, and certainly by Xmas 2007 - Nintendo will very likely be the #1 leader in the industry.

Oh yeah, and that little thing, the Nintendo DS - that's sold about 36.5 Million units so far. And that puny PSP, bah only 19.9 Million. Ha!

What do you guys think?

View: VGCharts - Next-Gen Sales Figures!


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I have been a Nintendo loyalist since nintendo, other than the blip of owning sega rather than snes, which was more fluke than anything(christmas present). Anyways, it is kind of optimistic that all you guys think that Nintendo is going to somehow sustain these sales. I mean, I hope they do but if you look at it in reality, if they don't bring out some quality games soon sales will drop and people will start returning their consoles or at least buying another.

If Nintendo can keep the releases up and get enough third party support then sure I could see Nintendo coming out in first or second. But I was just as optimistic with GCN and they still dropped the third party support ball, just like they did with N64.

We will see though, my predictions are xbox360 1st place, wii and ps3 tied, with ps3 taking a slight lead. (I have never owned a playstation product and in fact refuse to buy one so I have no bias there, and I probably won't buy the 360 either, I am just trying to be realistic and hope I am proved wrong).

They seem to be much closer than VGCharts is. What's done is done but I think the article should use a source that has more accurate numbers, no?

Are we comparing Apple's with Melon's yet again?

The Nintendo Wii is in a different type of gaming market than the Xbox360 and PS3.

A very good point. While the 360 and PS3 are more of openly competing, the Wii is actually aimed at a completely different crowd.

NeoFlux said,
Are we comparing Apple's with Melon's yet again?

The Nintendo Wii is in a different type of gaming market than the Xbox360 and PS3.


i'm glad somebody said this because the one thing about Nintendo is they really like to have a double standard. they are real quick to say they're not competiting in the same area as someone and just using an example if the sales of the Wii end up getting passed by the other 2, they will be the first one to say they weren't competing with them anyway. However if the Wii blows them away they will be the loudest people proclaiming it and spreading the numbers.

they did the same thing with the ds vs psp. from the beginning they said it's not in the same area but once it became clear that the ds was blowing the psp away everytime Nintendo has a press conference or releases stats they always gloat it over the psp.

I'm not saying anyone did say they had to have high prices and high tech hardware, that is what they chose to do, but I don't think it's accurate to say that a console is #1 just because of how many they have sold, there are lots of other factors into making something #1.

Yes, if we are simply talking about # of consoles sold and who will be number one over the next year, then I would agree the Wii will be close if not the #1.

If people are basing the success of a console soley on number of consoles sold then I think that is a weak assesment.

Except that's all that company executives care about - units sold.

You can aruge semantics all you want, but in the end the suits only care that the console has sold more than the other guy. Sure one is less expensive than the other, sure one has better games or more games, sure one has innovative stuff. But when it all comes down to it, it's about how many pieces of hardware you can sell.

I don't understand how you can determine who is in #1 or 2 or 3 positions simply by looking at # of consoles sold. Seems like you would have to take price into effect as well wouldn't you?

Sure the WII is selling 4 million consoles already, and MS has only sold "twice" that much. Look at the price difference though, obviously the WII will sell more.

Then if you compare what you get with each console that will add a huge difference in positioning in my opinon.
Look at all the features XBOX has, just the XBox Live alone is a huge positioning asset. Look at the graphics quality and number of game makers for XBox or PS3 compared to the Wii.

If MS or Sony could make their consoles for the cost of what the Wii can, I guarantee that the wii would not be nearly as popular as it is right now.

Don't get me wrong, I do think the Wii is pretty cool, but I wouldn't consider it to be a #1 product in the coming months except othe than by just number of consoles sold.

Features, Games, Graphics and hardware simply don't compete with XBox or PS3

The Nintendo DS is like crack in my neck of the woods. I'm not surprised it's doing so well.

Nintendo avoided what someone above called the "devil's circle" this time around. It provided something very innovative. While the Gamecube is a good console on its own, going up against the 360 and PS2 with no new technology and being able to count the number of good games on your hands and feet, really doomed its chances of success.

Wow! I had no idea that the DS had been selling THAT well... That's amazing.

Well, Nintendo was the game console king first, anyway. They've been in the game a while, and now they're having a come back after the new kids on the block, Sony and Microsoft, have had their big days.

I'm not saying anything against the 360 or the PS3. Personally, I would kill to get either.

But man, the Wii... is just so amazing. It's CRAZY COOL!

Nintendo ftw.

And people moan that Nintendo is aimed at kids, well fair enough they must be doing something right looking at them figures, if there sources are accurate.

bucko said,
And people moan that Nintendo is aimed at kids, well fair enough they must be doing something right looking at them figures, if there sources are accurate.

well christmas is dominated by children and their parents, where as the rest of the year is dominated by those who spend their work money on video games. so it remains to be seen if Nintendo, MS or Sony can keep up the steady stream of sales during the first 10 "slow" months of the year. suffice to say many people seem to forgot that MS and Sony have quite a few blockbuster titles coming out, and true Nintendo does have Mario, Metroid and Smash brothers in the pipeline, but it remains to be seen which of those franchises dominates the most this year. oddly enough it seems MS is coming out with the most "new" titles this year wheres the others are sequels. well see if that works for them or will people stand by Mario, MGS, and FF.

The fun I have with the Wii has prevented me from buying a 360. I was all set to get one for a few reasons, and then I realized that I just wouldn't have time to get them both, and that the Wii was going to bring me more joy and good times.

Given the price point, and the family aspect of the Wii, I wouldn't be surprised to see it as the leader by 2007. Mario, Metroid, Wario Ware, Mario Party (I'm sure this will be out by then) along with many other games, and their Virtual Conole lineup should be enough to carry it to the top. Not to mention DS tie ins in the future....

Thank god for Nintendo, they are saving handheld and console gaming from becoming the same thing as PC gaming, and for that I praise them.

i'm sorry that's the stupidest argument i've ever heard. for one Nintendo has basically been the only game in town for portable gaming since 1990, so you're basically saying they are saving themselves from themselves. and two i'm tired of people saying that the 360, pc and ps3 aren't fun and those type of games aren't fun. all entertainment devices can be fun, but i'm tired of people acting like Nintendo has some exclusivity on it.

oh boy!

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VG Charts is the premier source for videogame sales charts on the Internet.

Despite this, the data on VG Charts is unofficial and in some cases incomplete. How can it be the premier source on the Internet then?

Well, videogame sales data is a very difficult commodity to come by. Each territory has different systems by which data is collected and this data is often in conflict with data released directly from game publishers themselves. Attempting to assemble all these scraps of information has been a mine field that has, until today, been avoided.

VG Charts is the first internet website to attempt to, as meticulously and accurately as possible, collect together in one place all the available videogame sales data from across the world and provide users with a one-stop location from which to find out how there favourite game is performing, gain a better understanding of the market as a whole and compare the performance of different games.

A number of different sources and methods are used to produce the data on VG Charts.

From where does the data come?

VG Charts uses a proprietary system to produce our data which takes into account data from a number of sources - our own internal tracking, public tracking data, publisher information, analyst data, historic trend fitting and a little bit of insight and interpolation. You can rest assured that the data found on vgcharts is as accurate and up to date as possible.

http://www.vgcharts.org/welcome.php

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a serious company doesn't run 100s of ads on its web site... it's amazing how people can trust a web site like this one, not even NDP has access to complete VG sales because they don't include sales from wal-mart... :confused:

Spartan_X said,
oh boy!

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VG Charts is the premier source for videogame sales charts on the Internet.

Despite this, the data on VG Charts is unofficial and in some cases incomplete. How can it be the premier source on the Internet then?

Well, videogame sales data is a very difficult commodity to come by. Each territory has different systems by which data is collected and this data is often in conflict with data released directly from game publishers themselves. Attempting to assemble all these scraps of information has been a mine field that has, until today, been avoided.

VG Charts is the first internet website to attempt to, as meticulously and accurately as possible, collect together in one place all the available videogame sales data from across the world and provide users with a one-stop location from which to find out how there favourite game is performing, gain a better understanding of the market as a whole and compare the performance of different games.

A number of different sources and methods are used to produce the data on VG Charts.

From where does the data come?

VG Charts uses a proprietary system to produce our data which takes into account data from a number of sources - our own internal tracking, public tracking data, publisher information, analyst data, historic trend fitting and a little bit of insight and interpolation. You can rest assured that the data found on vgcharts is as accurate and up to date as possible.

http://www.vgcharts.org/welcome.php

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a serious company doesn't run 100s of ads on its web site... it's amazing how people can trust a web site like this one, not even NDP has access to complete VG sales because they don't include sales from wal-mart... :confused: :huh:

What about all of Microsoft's ads:
http://www.microsoft.com/en/us/default.aspx

Look Mr. X, I don't trust VGCharts anymore than any other "stat" site. It just happened that was where I saw the numbers first, and that's where I sourced the numbers from. What difference does it make how "premiere" they are, when the numbers are pretty spot on?

Now if you want to argue numbers that's fine. MS says they did 10.4 M units so far, VGCharts says about 8.4 M. I don't know if their data is old or not, it may not reflect the holiday season. Either way, MS is in front right now, which I made clear. Nintendo on the other hand with the Wii selling like hot cakes is knocking on the front door. Sony is playing catch up, but they are Sony and that's that.

I posted this to spur discussion on the console "wars", not which site has better ads or more accurate whatever.

I see a banner on their site and an ad down the right hand side. What more to do you want? Have you seen the number of ads on neowin alone? That ****ing intellitext is the worst. I don't like blocking ads, but it's too intrusive for my liking.

LOC said,
Look Mr. X, I don't trust VGCharts anymore than any other "stat" site. It just happened that was where I saw the numbers first, and that's where I sourced the numbers from. What difference does it make how "premiere" they are, when the numbers are pretty spot on?
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ok Mr. L...

I wasn't talking about your post, I was talking about everybody else who thinks a web site like VGC is a trusted source of information to based their arguments to start a discussion on a public forum.

If I want it to complain about why you posted the article I'll would PM you and have a nice chat with you in private and not in front of all the members of the forum because undermines your position as a staff member, other than that I'm fine with whatever you want to post...

LOC said,
MS says they did 10.4 M units so far, VGCharts says about 8.4 M.

BTW, that 10.4 number is 'sold to retail' not sold to consumers like VGCharts tries to be.

Well they have to make money to stay online, but Microsoft does it subtly and with style and relevance, VG just plopped them down and hit "save".

Sony has a HUGE "fanbase", that I doubt it will end up #3. And if ends that way, it will be close to the #2.

Microsoft's released its console a year earlier, so that's why it has this apparent advantage. But so far, according to the article, both Wii and PS3 have outsold Microsoft (if you compare 2005 Christmas with 2006 Christmas!).

Also, PS3 has not been released in Europe yet. And that's a huge mistake by sony, because people is "crossing over" to Nintendo.

But, of one thing I'm sure: Nintendo will be number 1.

I find console prices to be too high for most people, I think the next generation (PS4, Xbox 480,...) will be cheaper from the start as per what Nintendo did this time...innovative use of technology over speed.

Why does everyone trust VG-Charts? And why is VG-Chart the only site claiming stores are stocking most of their 360s, yet somehow they manage to sell most of their PS3s despite the stories we hear about most stores having plenty of PS3 in stock? Does that not smell of bias to you?

I believe the Wii will be the #1 seller. I know of two older adult women (50's) who have bought one (or will) simply because they had a great time playing Wii sports. Bowling is always a winner and I've hear golf was a lot of fun as well. Older people simply love the Wii and they have money to burn.

Unlike what most people who say that "this war is far from over", it really is over. My prediction? Nintendo #1, Microsoft at a close #2, and Sony in a distant #3.

Why? Because at this point in the game, 2007 is a very critical year. And because of the way business works, any important announcements, decisions, games, or console interactivity has to have been in the R&D pipeline for well over a YEAR if it's going to tip the scales.

Nintendo is #1 because their console is cheap, fun, and accessible. Nintendo honestly has little else to worry about besides bringing us software that uses the Wiimote creatively. No problems there.

Microsoft comes in at #2 because while it has a bevy of features uses might like, it's still quite expensive. The more economical $400 Premium version is still out of many people's reach (most people buy consoles at $200 or below), so unless Microsoft convinces consumers to see the added value in the Xbox 360, it will slowly drift to the #2 position. Game selection is still limited (especially since it's been out for a year) and it needs to branch out to everyone. Not everyone is an FPS junkie.

Sony is at #3 for reasons why Microsoft and Nintendo aren't. It's not cheap, the games are meh, and it certainly isn't accessible. In order for Sony to show why it should keep it's #1 spot, it needs to show why the Playstation 3 is going to be successful. Unfortunately, that isn't going to happen if their PR department keeps rattling off "lies". (1 million for NA/JP launch, 500,000 units for US launch, etc...)

Anyway, I have no plans on buying any of them until they prove to me that its a console worth owning. I've never spent more than $200 on a console, and I don't intend to start now.

dagamer34 said,
Unlike what most people who say that "this war is far from over", it really is over. My prediction? Nintendo #1, Microsoft at a close #2, and Sony in a distant #3.

Why? Because at this point in the game, 2007 is a very critical year. And because of the way business works, any important announcements, decisions, games, or console interactivity has to have been in the R&D pipeline for well over a YEAR if it's going to tip the scales.


Yes, that's how I see it as well. The Wii is a major success and will soon show the X360 its backlights (in Japan alone, it has already done that and sold about 4 times as much already).
Internationally though, the X360 won't stay that much behind because it's very successful in the US market.
The PS3 will stay a very distand third - way too overpriced and crap games, which starts a devil's circle: only few people buying it because of exploitative price and crap games, leading to only few developers making games for the PS3, which doesn't improve it#s situation at all, and thus only few people will buy it.

Eh? It did? How's that exactly??

And besides, just by numbers sold so far, Nintendo technically IS beating the 360. It's sold more in not even 2 months than the 360 has sold in over a year! It is only a matter of time (2 more months or so I'd guess) before Nintendo has sold more than the 360.

correction. It has sold "nearly half" in not even 2 months then the 360 has sold in over a year.

X360: 14months old: 10 million units sold
WII: 2months old: 4 million

At this rate, WII will equal x360 at 5-6 months (incl. the most x360's sold over than time period