CyberLink to Microsoft: Thanks for no DVD playback in Windows 8

Microsoft made a lot of folks upset when it announced earlier this year that Windows 8 would not support DVD playback in its version of Windows Media Player, as it did for Windows 7. While DVD playback is enabled if people purchase the optional Windows Media Center add-on, Microsoft's decision has apparently left the door open for another company to swoop in and put in DVD software on new Windows 8 PCs.

Digitimes reports that, during an investors conference call today, the Taiwan-based company CyberLink claims it has secured deals with a number of PC makers to have three of its software products pre-installed on Windows 8 devices. CyberLink's chairman Jau Huang said this success was due directly to Microsoft's move not to support DVD playback in standard versions of Windows 8.

CyberLink also says it expects its media software to sell well when Windows 8 is launch. Indeed, a few days ago, the company issued a press release announcing that a number of its products have now been certified to run on Windows 8. That includes PowerDVD 12, the latest version of its DVD PC playback software.

CyberLink also announced that people who have bought their products from June 2012 will receive free software updates so they can be compatible with Windows 8.

Source: Digitimes

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pixelpixel said,
What about bluray support ? What free player do people use ?

Most BD players (let alone burners) for PCs include PDVD (hence the issue is moot even there). And yes - this even includes OEM BD players and BD burners, which go one further by including the Cyberlink PowerSuite (PowerDVD and PowerDirector).

I've been using KMPlayer/PotPlayer for years. I simply like to play ALL my video files including DVDs with no hassle in a lightweight app. Plus any custom filter option you need in between.

But really, I just like being able to single click anywhere on the screen to PLAY/PAUSE and double click FULLSCREEN/NORMAL. No hunting for buttons. Perfect for my needs.

Neobond said,
What if I want DVD support without Media Center? I use MP-HC anyway.

Then Microsoft are forcing you to use another player instead as Media Player will not play DVDs even with Media Center Add-On that has the codecs and DVD drive handlers. Only Media Center would be able to play DVD's unless a 3rd party application like VLC or MP-C was installed.

I always used Media Player Classic to play DVDs..

Not sure what the big deal is; maybe a DVD centric program gives a more authentic experience, but MPC has worked great for the many years I've used it.

There seem to be a lot of Microsoft fan boys on here defending anything and trying to make others out to be wrong. I am not anti-Microsoft, but here are some details to clarify the DVD codec issue.

1. Removing codecs making a cheaper product is negligible. The codecs cost Microsoft around 1-2$ per computer. You wouldn't see a lot taken off the purchase price of Windows because of this. The only reason Windows 8 is cheaper is because MS changed their pricing strategy overall to try and shift it to avoid a Vista scenario. I accept its cheaper for MICROSOFT overall with millions of units but for the consumer it isn't. It's another mess like Windows XP was with codecs.

2. The MPEG4 codecs are ALREADY in Windows 8. It is only the registry handlers for handling the DVD drive and MPEG2 codecs that are not. Installing the Media Center pack enables them for use by Media Center only,

3. People still play DVD's because of convienience, not everyone is on fast fibre, and some people use dedicated Windows Media Center computers in their lounge as an HTPC. Also, in some countries to stay legal, you aren't allowed to rip DVDs to hard drive and some people just don't know how to do that anyway.

4. Media Player will never play back DVDs in Windows 8. Only the Media Center add-on will play back DVD's - Media Player has been crippled deliberately.

5. Many other media players work as an independent unit. Media Center uses the DLLS of Media Player for playback as it's engine. Many other players that provide codecs won't work as the codecs are locked down for their own player e.g. VLC

6. Alleged freeware codecs are available, but they can be troublesome getting to co-exist, especially as they are not Microsoft Media Foundation and can cause glitching etc.

7. PowerDVD and other commerical codecs are usually not JUST the codecs, they have all sorts of bloatware applications and players. Who wants this crap when Media Foundation codecs give high quality playback with minimal footprint? Also, these products cost OEMS much more moeny to integrate and license - so actualy does not make Windows cheaper!

8. By removing DVD playback from Windows Media Player, even with Media Center add-on, it is now NOT possible to play back VOBs from the hard drive. Traditionally, you just created a file association to Windows Media Player in Windows 7 and when you double clicked a VOB it usually played in Windows Media Player.

I like Windows 8, even ModernUI (Metro), but the stupidity of the lack of Start Menu orb and having to go into bottom left hand corner pixel number 1 to get the start menu, the fact that some things are not obvious to users like ALL PROGRAMS is a right click on the Start Menu interface, the fact that to close down is several clicks away when it should be under the users avatar under Sign Out along with the stupidity of DVD playback really makes me angry at such stupid design and strategic choices by MS. Yes,there are hardware key shortcuts and other shortcuts like pressing CTRL+ALT+DEL to get to a closedown PC option more quickly, but they are rather forced and GENERAL users that are not IT experts will find these small bad design choices influence a negative feeling. Why could MS not leave the Start Orb in the desktop view? It still could have initiated the ModernUI start menu interface. Trying to get to pixel number 1 in an RDP session or Virtual Machine can be trying, especially if you do it all day long in an IT role.

unisoft said,
Why could MS not leave the Start Orb in the desktop view? It still could have initiated the ModernUI start menu interface. Trying to get to pixel number 1 in an RDP session or Virtual Machine can be trying, especially if you do it all day long in an IT role.

Press the Start key on your keyboard.

TomJones said,

Press the Start key on your keyboard.

Yes but you did not read my post.

I said without resorting to hardware keys! Sometimes I just want to use the mouse without having to move my hands over the keyboard to keys. If I am editing video or something else, I mainly use the mouse.

Its a shame the MCE doesn't allow you to play dvd's in WMP. You have to use media centre app which the average user has never even heard of:( Surely they could have allowed WMP to use the add-on instead?

SHaGGGz said,
Why do they think this is a sound business strategy?

Because people are sheep.
Except for recent years since WMP and VLC appeals to the more casual user. Windows XP and before, the casual user was using PowerDVD.

as usual, crapware piles up... install a codec pack and/or or purchase the WMC add-on but to pay for Cyberlink product? thanks but no thanks...

...well, to be honest i never watch dvd/br on my laptop albeit i have 400+ movies

If they could sell this cr@p due to removed DVD playback from WMP, it's not the merit of Microsoft but the stupidity if OEMs.

There are barely ODDs in PCs anymore, but even if someone still wants to play DVDs, there's a bazilion of free players which can do the job. So shame on the OEMs, really. Pay more for a new laptop because of this? That's pathetic.

deepfunkysoul said,
wait minute people still use dvds? lol

Just because you guys don't use something, doesn't mean you have the right to force your views on everybody else. Don't use it? Fine, leave the rest of us alone.

Mike Frett said,

Just because you guys don't use something, doesn't mean you have the right to force your views on everybody else. Don't use it? Fine, leave the rest of us alone.

He made a joke about people still watching DVDs, how is that forcing his views on you? If you're that sensitive you should probably avoid the internet from now on.

... wait, you're kidding, right?
As far as I've heard/not heard, Windows Media Player's still in Windows 8, right? If it is, I can't imagine why they'd deliberately take DVDs out of the equation.

Tangmeister said,
... wait, you're kidding, right?
As far as I've heard/not heard, Windows Media Player's still in Windows 8, right? If it is, I can't imagine why they'd deliberately take DVDs out of the equation.

Windows Media Player is still in it but the DVD codec is not. Microsoft has to license it for every version of Windows they include it in and they decided that it's not worth it when most people probably don't even use it. If you want to play DVDs in Windows 8 you need to install a third party program to do so.

If this Media Centre add-on lets me use Windows Media Player to watch DVDs, its worth paying for to avoid Cyberlink crap software.

Also with this new responsibility, is there any chance Cyberlink will make some decent metro and desktop software for DVD and Bluray playback in Windows 8/RT ?

mdtaUK said,
If this Media Centre add-on lets me use Windows Media Player to watch DVDs, its worth paying for to avoid Cyberlink crap software.

Also with this new responsibility, is there any chance Cyberlink will make some decent metro and desktop software for DVD and Bluray playback in Windows 8/RT ?

You can just install one of the free codecs and not pay anything. MPC-HC works great.

[seriously]
1) Install ffdshow-tryouts
2) Play DVD's in WMP
3) There is no step 3
[/seriously]

Who the hell watches DVD's on their computer?
Also to all those that say "I will just use VLC" what magical version are you using in windows that does not totally suck? VLC on mac and linux are great but the windows version always has been god awful for me. It chokes on 10GB BluRay rips all the time when XBMC or ffdshow-tryouts + MPC play with zero issues on the same hardware.

necrosis said
Who the hell watches DVD's on their computer?

I started to ask the same thing. I remember when watching DVDs on a PC was a big deal, but that was 1998. Who watches DVDs period anymore, mine are all on my external hard drive as xvid or h264 files.

necrosis said,
Also to all those that say "I will just use VLC" what magical version are you using in windows that does not totally suck?

Probably the version called "mpc-hc"

necrosis said,
[seriously]
1) Install ffdshow-tryouts
2) Play DVD's in WMP
3) There is no step 3
[/seriously]

Who the hell watches DVD's on their computer?
Also to all those that say "I will just use VLC" what magical version are you using in windows that does not totally suck? VLC on mac and linux are great but the windows version always has been god awful for me. It chokes on 10GB BluRay rips all the time when XBMC or ffdshow-tryouts + MPC play with zero issues on the same hardware.

I watch DVD on my laptop on the go since the hotels do not have anything going on the TV.. BORING shows or movies... so I watch a movie of choice that I take a few with me.

shozilla said,

I watch DVD on my laptop on the go since the hotels do not have anything going on the TV.. BORING shows or movies... so I watch a movie of choice that I take a few with me.

I do that too, only they get stored on the HDD, and I never have to waste time with optical disc's.

shozilla said,

I watch DVD on my laptop on the go since the hotels do not have anything going on the TV.. BORING shows or movies... so I watch a movie of choice that I take a few with me.


Then get VLC, potplayer, PowerDVD or pay 9,99 for the media addon and you continue doing so.

Shadowzz said,

Then get VLC, potplayer, PowerDVD or pay 9,99 for the media addon and you continue doing so.

Duh... the person who I was replying to, didn't ask what player we use... he was asking WHO watch the DVDs on the computer.

They removed it because people were bitching about the cost of Windows (price for DVD play licence was included). This helps drop the bloody price of Windows.
Are people never happy?

ahhell said,
They removed it because people were bitching about the cost of Windows (price for DVD play licence was included). This helps drop the bloody price of Windows.
Are people never happy?

Yeah, removing DVD codec's leads to the half price of the OS...

MFH said,

Yeah, removing DVD codec's leads to the half price of the OS...

Of course not, jackass but the licensing is a huge expense when talking volume. Most OEMs pack in their own playback software anyway...hence this thread.

ahhell said,

Of course not, jackass but the licensing is a huge expense when talking volume. Most OEMs pack in their own playback software anyway...hence this thread.
It's not a huge expense any way you look at it..

It's a dollar or two.. Probably less because I believe MS holds some of the MPEG-LA patents themsleves..

Ryoken said,
It's not a huge expense any way you look at it..

It's a dollar or two.. Probably less because I believe MS holds some of the MPEG-LA patents themsleves..


They dropped more support they used to license by supporting it by default. Windows had allot of licenses coming with it if you'd buy it. All part of the overall price of the OS. Windows isn't 100% MS license only.

Ryoken said,

It's a dollar or two.. Probably less because I believe MS holds some of the MPEG-LA patents themsleves..

Two dollars may sound like a tiny amount. But at Windows-scale, that would be a billion dollars. It's an enormous amount of money.

And it may be more than two dollars. A DVD player contains about $15 worth of licensing fees. How much of that $15 goes to hardware? The rest goes to software.

Plus, Microsoft was paying this fee on all computer shipped with premium SKUs of Windows Vista and 7 -- even those where the OEM bundled third-party DVD playback software, even ones where the user never played a DVD, and even those without DVD drives! When you divide up the total fee by the number of computers where the DVD playback functionality was both used and nonredundant, the per-computer fee becomes even higher.

Microsoft is part of the patent pool for DVD, but their licensing fees are minimal. It's Blu-Ray where they get a larger chunk of the fees, because they developed the VC-1 format. Ironically, Sony asserted a number of patents against VC-1, so that they now make more money on it than Microsoft.

VLC all the way for me. Thank you France for not enforcing software patents! Without your sanity in this area, we would not have free and open media players.

Roguefoxx said,
I'll just install VLC and not pay anyone for what should come standard with the OS, thanks.

You were paying for it in the Windows 7 pricetag. Considering Windows 8's pricing there's nothing to complain about.

Roguefoxx said,
I'll just install VLC and not pay anyone for what should come standard with the OS, thanks.

A couple years ago people were complaining, and there was a big legal court case (you know, that one from the DOJ) because Microsoft was bundling software, and it was claimed that they were trying to drive the little guy out of business.

Now when Microsoft stops bundling software, opening the market for the little guy, and people are upset because it should be standard with the OS.

Roguefoxx said,
I'll just install VLC and not pay anyone for what should come standard with the OS, thanks.

So, can I control VLC with a standard remote? If not, it's of no use for me...

I think the last time I used CyberLink was a few years ago back in the XP days and even then I used WMP.

In Windows 8, it'll be VLC.

A340600 said,
I think the last time I used CyberLink was a few years ago back in the XP days and even then I used WMP.

In Windows 8, it'll be VLC.

And I would wager that a lot of these same OEMs (Dell, HP, etc.) already had deals with Cyberlink (which has been enourmously popular in the OEM PC and motherboard markets); they simply renewed them. Means exactly diddly; despite my own license (bundled wiht my ASUS motherboard) I use VLC (with Windows 8 - just as I did with Windows 7).

Jimmy422 said,
Cyberlink haven't given me issues in the past. Glad MS has opened a door for third parties to take over again.
They never closed the door. They just offered a built in alternative.

Ryoken said,
They never closed the door. They just offered a built in alternative.

Well starting with Vista and XP MCE there wasn't a real need for PowerDVD. Now there's a need again for 3rd party applications for DVD playback, such as PDVD.

Jimmy422 said,

Well starting with Vista and XP MCE there wasn't a real need for PowerDVD. Now there's a need again for 3rd party applications for DVD playback, such as PDVD.


Before that, and even now, most DVD Playback suites are slow, buggy, oversized, and in general crappy programs.. One of the reasons MS didn't want to force them onto people..

Ryoken said,

Before that, and even now, most DVD Playback suites are slow, buggy, oversized, and in general crappy programs.. One of the reasons MS didn't want to force them onto people..

Thank god Windows 8 will allow you to uninstall any bloat and/or crapware regardless of what OEM preinstalls them.
They said 'devices' not computers or laptops, would be funny to see tablets with PowerDVD.

Jimmy422 said,

Well starting with Vista and XP MCE there wasn't a real need for PowerDVD. Now there's a need again for 3rd party applications for DVD playback, such as PDVD.

It was always needed for Bluray playback.

And so the Windows 8 crapware has begun

I'm not sure people will prefer paying 50$+ for this crappy software then paying for the media center add-on

PmRd said,
And so the Windows 8 crapware has begun

I'm not sure people will prefer paying 50$+ for this crappy software then paying for the media center add-on

Unfortunately, it doesn't play DVDs even with it anymore, if I'm not mistaken.

SikSlayer said,

Unfortunately, it doesn't play DVDs even with it anymore, if I'm not mistaken.

It even says in the article...

"While DVD playback is enabled if people purchase the optional Windows Media Center add-on"

SikSlayer said,

Unfortunately, it doesn't play DVDs even with it anymore, if I'm not mistaken.

I little bit of reading wouldn't hurt next time.

PmRd said,
And so the Windows 8 crapware has begun

I'm not sure people will prefer paying 50$+ for this crappy software then paying for the media center add-on


Install PotPlayer. I prefer it because it can display subtitles in the black bars below the movie. It is also insanely customisable and free.

SikSlayer said,

Unfortunately, it doesn't play DVDs even with it anymore, if I'm not mistaken.

Get off my ass facts nazis. I was talking about the fact that Windows Media Player won't anymore, even though you've paid for this. All DVD playback will have to be done in Media Center. There's nothing you peons could tell me about Media Center I don't already know.

SikSlayer said,

Get off my ass facts nazis. I was talking about the fact that Windows Media Player won't anymore, even though you've paid for this. All DVD playback will have to be done in Media Center. There's nothing you peons could tell me about Media Center I don't already know.

Yeah right.. No one mentioned Media Player and I specifically said "Media Center add-on" and you said "Unfortunately, it doesn't play DVDs even with it anymore, if I'm not mistaken." Don't try to blame your mistake on someone else it only makes you look dumb. And the fact you said "If I'm not mistaken" means you did not know what you were talking about.

So who's the peon now?

Edited by PmRd, Aug 11 2012, 6:23pm :