'Day One' update to PS4 will enable many of its features, like DVD/Blu-ray movies

Microsoft has already said it will release a "Day One" software update for its Xbox One console when it launches, but the company has yet to reveal exactly what that update will add or improve. Today, Sony confirmed it will also offer its own launch day software update for the PlayStation 4 console that will enable many of its major features when it goes on sale November 15th in the U.S.

The PlayStation blog has a long list of what the update will add to the PS4, which will have a 300 MB file size and will bring the system software version number to 1.50. One of the more interesting features that the update will turn on the ability for the PS4 to play DVD and Blu-ray movies. In fact, owners of the console must be connected to the Internet to activate this feature when it is being used for the first time.

In addition, the 1.50 software update will enable online multiplayer support for the PS4, along with sharing gameplay video and screenshots, playing PS4 games remotely with a PS Vita portable console, streaming gameplay to services like Ustream and Twitch.tv, the ability to keep playing games while downloading files in the background and much more.

One feature that won't be put into the PS4 at launch is the "suspend/resume" mode which is supposed to allow the console to go into a low power state when not being used and then go back to full gaming power mode instantly. Sony did not give a timetable for when this mode will be put into the console.

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How true is this?? Really come on, you need to update the console to play a Blu-Ray movie??

This can't be true - want some official clarification from Sony about this, cas that is pretty poor!

I suspect the PS4 games that require a minimum system update will have said update on the disc like the PS3 did. The Wii U implemented have the update on game disc as well if the console does not go online.

In regards to activation Blu-ray, dvd, I suspect Sony is trying to save money by only paying for activations of media codec, then pre-purchasing for all the system in advanced. The PSP required activation for WMA playback and Sony's own ATRAC audio codex.

Dvd and Blu-ray already include built in DRM, in the form of region codes, and encryption of the data. Blu-ray standard has the ability hard coded on to the disc (since inception) to check the key of the device, and if it's a blacklisted to not play, or disable the Blu-ray playback function (independent of an online check, etc). Sony them selves included ps3 system updates on Sony published blu-rays movies.

If you think Blu-ray encryption is bad, the new UltraHD/2k/4k standards streaming (not offline) is contemplating making each media stream to each device unique. Essentially missing some pixels in key frames that way a leaked can be compared to the original master and based on the pixel pattern missing determine which device was copied.

For most atrocious day one patch, I think the Wii U holds that title. A system update that could take upwards of an hour to download and install and powering it off during can brick the system. Nintendo implementing partial / smaller updates if you have certain versions installed vs full system update game after the 2nd, or 3rd update if I remember correctly.

I think what people objected to was Microsoft's originally mandatory internet connections, once every 24 hours (which Microsoft has removed on the Xbox One) vs allowing the console working offline indifferently.

Edited by Jason Stillion, Oct 27 2013, 5:14pm :

You have to install an update? This is terrible news, how is anyone going to find internet access on a moment's notice? The PS4 is worthless now.

I sure hope their servers are up for it if they are going to sell as many as they say they will. I'll put my money on MS having a better launch day. I just feel like they have a better infrastructure to handle it. Should be fun to watch.

Still better than the Xbox One's *MANDATORY * day-one update to even use the console. Not sure what the complaint is, really. The system will still work out of the box and it's only 300mb.

Alright, well if needing an update to use a few certain features on the PS4 means that the PS4 can't stand on its features, then the Xbox One has no features because it needs an update to even use the system. This is using your logic, of course.

Anyone hear that CoD Ghosts might be rendering at 720p on Xbox One but was quoted by Adam Boyes as running at 1080p native on the PS4?

Here's the deal

Sony fans always change their complaints in order to favor whatever Sony is doing at the moment

Day one patch for Xbox One = bad
Day one patch for PS4 that enables the most basic features = great they can work longer on the OS

Pay for online Xbox = horrible anti consumer practices
Pay for online PS4 = Sony deserves the money and will give us a greater online experience

Multiplat games look worse on PS3 = Graphics don't matter it's all about the game experience and 1st party titles
Multiplat games will look worse on the Xbox one = GRAPHICS!!!!! 1080P BITCHES!!!! take that!!!!

Time and time again Sony fans have shown they are just hypocritical zombies that will change their preference to what every Sony is doing at any given moment.

Both consoles have their problems. Cheering whichever is childish, but go ahead, the rest of us don't really care. Aside from gaming and watching media etc., given the choice, we'd simply like the machine with the least amount of restrictions and perceived flaws. I thought MS was ridiculous with 24 hr checks, and now Sony implements it's own control nonsense which will only get worse. F both of em, I going strictly PC for gaming, it already handles my media perfectly. I was thinking of buying both at one point, now I'm not even considering either unless attitudes change...which they of course won't. Enjoy your consoles people!

Hahaiah said,
Both consoles have their problems. Cheering whichever is childish, but go ahead, the rest of us don't really care. Aside from gaming and watching media etc., given the choice, we'd simply like the machine with the least amount of restrictions and perceived flaws. I thought MS was ridiculous with 24 hr checks, and now Sony implements it's own control nonsense which will only get worse. F both of em, I going strictly PC for gaming, it already handles my media perfectly. I was thinking of buying both at one point, now I'm not even considering either unless attitudes change...which they of course won't. Enjoy your consoles people!

let me guess, you happily use and buy steam DRM games

swanlee said,
Here's the deal

Fans of a company/product always change their complaints in order to favor whatever said company/product is doing at the moment.

FTFY

You end up running around in circles and stressing out over nothing when try to say that one particular group exclusively does something that all groups are guilty of. The world will be a better place once you realize this.

ThunderRiver said,
I suppose running Other OS is still out of question under PS4.

Just like every other game console out there.

Given how terribly slow the PSN servers are for games downloads and the seemingly common occurance of PS updates bricking systems. This will not be a fun first day

Voice of Buddy Christ said,
Couldn't PS3 play Blu-ray out of the box? This just seems lazy.

Going to guess they are doing this for region locking of movie content.

Big Sony fan here and have owned each PS through the years. This is crazy. I figured there would be a day 1 update of some sort, but to enable DVD/Blu-Ray playback?

I agree with a poster above that clearly Sony and MS have rushed out their products. In the end it won't be a big deal, but it's still not overly user friendly to the initial buyers.

For the record, do we really care about day one updates? We knew all the consoles would have them, whether it be the Wii U, XBO, or PS4. It sucks, but it's nothing we didn't foresee.

So tell me, what has really changed? Recall that many didn't care if their Xbox One needed to phone home just to allow gameplay from a digital library. The PROBLEM then was the need to phone home every 24 hours. The shouts of "hypocrisy" here I do not understand in the slightest.

I say this as someone who loves Steam and wouldn't mind the XBO heading in the same direction, if but only they could fix that one outstanding detail. Microsoft were the ones who said, "Nope, can't do it," and pulled the plug on us.

We sit around as gamers/consumers pointing fingers at each other like it's our damn fault. We didn't do anything here though, Microsoft did. They couldn't get the details out properly, they couldn't fine tune our problems let alone take them into consideration. Hell, they told us undoing the DRM wasn't easy at all, as if it were irreversible, and then look what happened.

So wave your stupid flags at each other all you like. All I'm seeing here is something I totally expected from all the damn consoles. At the very least, I know that I can play my consoles everywhere. To my family and friends stationed in the Middle East, I'm pretty sure the current consoles they have are updated just as well. No reason to leave them with missing features. That'd be like sending them a laptop with Windows 8 instead of 8.1. I wouldn't dare be so cruel.

dead.cell said,
The PROBLEM then was the need to phone home every 24 hours.

You are right, the updates and comparisons are silly and inane.

However, Sony politicized them for their public perception benefit, and as more becomes known about the PS4, the shine the customers believed is less bright.

If Sony has any PS4 issues or fails to be competitive graphically or feature wise with the overall experience, their political gamble could backfire hard.

The PS3 took a hit as it become clear it wasn't going to smoke the Xbox 360 graphically and especially when it was falling short on things like shader speed and texture quality that developers openly talked about.

As for the 'phone home' being a 'problem' with the XB1, it simply wasn't. 99% of existing Xbox 360 owners keep their consoles connected to the Internet full time, and the few that don't are running illegal mods and using it like a jukebox. Even games that throw their consoles in their cars to be cool or for their kids usually have an available internet connection. (Especially now that everyone has a hotspot with their phone or in car cellular service.)

So when Microsoft designed the features, they really didn't think people would have a cow for the features they were offering.

Disc-less access to your gaming library and the ability to share games were something Sony wasn't going to offer, so it was a political move for Sony to find the weak spot in the technology and hit it hard.


As for the comparisons to Stream and PC based gaming services, they are not the same.

Microsoft had to create a model that game developers could work with and ensure people weren't just renting games, sharing games, loading them, and using them forever - while offering the new Disc-less and sharing options.

With PC games, they are locked (DRM'd) with a game key, and are not 'locked' to the game Disc identifier.

Online App models like Microsoft uses on WP and Windows 8 and like Steam use all lock titles to the user account.

This model doesn't work with Discs, unless the users would be willing to have the Game locked to their account forever. (Meaning they couldn't share it with friends, play it under someone else's account, or ever sell it.)

Using the 'account lock' model of how Apps are handled is how Microsoft is bringing back a limited set of the original portability features. However, users will still have to opt-in and use the Internet, just like Steam does.

Just to be clear in contrast to Steam. A 30 day timeout DRM policy won't work with Discs. A user can buy/rent and beat a game in a few days and they would have to keep it for the entire month. Meaning they couldn't sell or share it with friends, nor rent it for a period shorter than 30 days, which would never work with RedBox/Rental Stores. (This would be a nightmare even if they used a full time internet connection and 'unlocked' the game from their account. It would only take a few users to 'forget' to unlock the 'rental' game making it unplayable.)


Mobius Enigma said,

99% of existing Xbox 360 owners keep their consoles connected to the Internet full time, and the few that don't are running illegal mods and using it like a jukebox.

Got a link to prove this or are you just making up statistics?

LOL... Those that complained about XB1 and 'switched' to PS4 will now realize their silly mistake. I'm glad XB1 stood their ground and focused on the innovation whereas PS4 was focusing on trying to beat XB1 and now it's backfiring.

The first thing most people do when they get a new console nowadays is update it anyways. The system will still function anyways without being updated, unlock certain competitor's consoles which are literally bricks until connected to the internet and updated.

Wii U had a day one update basically, PS4 has one, XBOX One has one.... this is the result of hardware being finished and announced before software is ready

Lord Method Man said,
My Wii U day one update is still installing, and I bought it on launch day.

I know you are being sarcastic, but I got mine on launch day and the first update took a whole 30 minutes to download and about another half an hour to install for some reason...

neufuse said,
Wii U had a day one update basically, PS4 has one, XBOX One has one.... this is the result of hardware being finished and announced before software is ready

I wouldn't go as far as to say unfinished, this happens with all video games, but the time the hardware/software has been manufactured and put on ships for 3 weeks and sent to distribution centres etc the companies can find many more bugs during that time. This is why there is always a v1.1 patch on release day for pc games, same applies to consoles. Would you rather your customers use a much stable build and get good p.r or let them use a buggier build and they will tell their friends the ps4 is buggy? I'd rather force users to download a day 1 update than the bad p.r from bugs. Also there are bluray drm protections that the bluray association mandate, those change regularly so sony may have been forced to do this.

I hope they put the update up a few days before the PS4 release on their website so people can update via USB flash drive.

Mobius Enigma said,
So every anti-XB1 comment about the day-one update will be retracted by the PS4 fans in this thread, right?

Waiting...

The PS4 still plays games on day 1 without any updates. And if it's never connected to the internet, it will always play games. It's a far cry from the 24-hour checkin that the XBOne had when the outcry happened.

greenwizard88 said,
The PS4 still plays games on day 1 without any updates. And if it's never connected to the internet, it will always play games. It's a far cry from the 24-hour checkin that the XBOne had when the outcry happened.

Seriously?

I wasn't referring to the 24-hour check in, which still was not explained well, as you seem to think it was a bad thing. The 'once a day to confirm you own the game' connection was only used for Disc-less access to games and the ability to share them. Something the PS4 never offered and never will, so of course it was 'evil'. 99% of all users will have their Xbox One connected 24/7 to the internet anyway, like Xbox 360 users do, and why Microsoft didn't think it was so freaking 'evil'.

Anyway...
I was referring to the endless Anti-XB1 comments around the Internet and even when it was announced the Xbox One going to need an update when it is first used to install the latest OS updates.

Here let me refresh your memory:
http://www.neowin.net/news/day...e-15-20-minutes-to-download

Mobius Enigma said,

Anyway...
I was referring to the endless Anti-XB1 comments around the Internet and even when it was announced the Xbox One going to need an update when it is first used to install the latest OS updates.

Here let me refresh your memory:
http://www.neowin.net/news/day...e-15-20-minutes-to-download


You missed the part where the Xbox One will NOT function unless updated, whereas the PS4 will work offline right out of the box. Even if for whatever reason you never want to connect it to the internet, games come with the newest update (when released) on disc (or this was the case on the PS3 - I'd imagine the PS4 would be the same way).

I don't know how they don't have the DVD player working out of the box, but everything else they mentioned is a web feature, so it's not like anyone not connected to the internet would be missing anything (except DVD playback, WTF).

Sony people were making an issue that you had to do a day one update on a game to get extra features. The game was still playable without those features bug the cloud AI, extra cars and tracks were downloadable. And if you look through that link I posted, Sony people were claiming it was just another sign that MS does not care about their users, do not get gaming, are shipping products before they are finished, etc.

Sony does it for their console, and people (such as your comment below) are making excuses for Sony and deflecting the issue by bringing up Microsoft's console updates. So quit trying to blame others and just accept the fact that Sony is no better than Microsoft.

greenwizard88 said,
I don't know how they don't have the DVD player working out of the box, but everything else they mentioned is a web feature, so it's not like anyone not connected to the internet would be missing anything (except DVD playback, WTF).

I don't think they will miss Blur Ray play back, most Sony fans don't like media feature, core gamers you know.

WhatTheSchmidt said,
Compare how some are saying this is a good thing for a console, to how horrible it was for a game on X1 to do it:

http://www.neowin.net/forum/to...l-require-day-one-download/


As copied from my post below:

You missed the part where the Xbox One will NOT function unless updated, whereas the PS4 will work offline right out of the box. Even if for whatever reason you never want to connect it to the internet, games come with the newest update (when released) on disc (or this was the case on the PS3 - I'd imagine the PS4 would be the same way).

riahc3 said,
There is a good side to this. All PS4 games will problably include the 1.50 update on the disc.

If its a day one patch, how will games have time to get the code onto discs which are most likely being printed now?

Yes, games might have it in the future, but your only option at launch will be to connect to the "gasp!" internet.

Hello,

LightEco said,

If its a day one patch, how will games have time to get the code onto discs which are most likely being printed now?

Yes, games might have it in the future, but your only option at launch will be to connect to the "gasp!" internet.


Well PS4 games are only avaliable on day one as well. Putting it on the disc wont be a problem

riahc3 said,
Hello,

Well PS4 games are only avaliable on day one as well. Putting it on the disc wont be a problem

You have to manufacture them way in advance...

Lord Method Man said,
Along with rootkits.

Name a Sony DVD or BD that had one.

Name a Sony CD after 2005 with a rootkit.

Didn't think so.

How about something current for once? Are you still making Ford Edsel jokes where you're at?

torrentthief said,

don't worry, the xbone will have nsa backdoors, microsoft is very obedient.

Can you point me to the report that actually shows and proves that MS knowingly ahad backdoors and cooperated with the NSA ? oh right, you can't, well there you go.

So I guess all the noise about no Internet required was just noise. I find that bit about playing movies kind of strange. Is that just so they don't have regionalize the hardware?

Well they have been undercutting Microsoft on everything but the internet-less statements came back to bite them hard.

I thought all Sony fans lived on islands in huts with generators and no internet? I mean the way they complained about Xbox one 24 hr check in you'd think no Sony fans have internet. Odd they all of a sudden seem ok with whatever Sony does in regard to requiring the net for a day one patch that enables most of the PS4 features. I mean what about the soldiers in submarines that Sony fans were so concerned with when the Xbox one had a 24 hr check in policy?

Sounds like the PS4 has an internet requirement as well if you want to actually do anything with it. Where are all the protesters? Oh yeah thats right Sony can do what ever they want and it's ok I forgot. What about the Soldiers? have you thought about the Soldiers?

Lord Method Man said,
Sorry, you guys lost to consumers who didnt want to fully surrender their rights. Get over it.

I assume by the attempt to change the subject that you admit you lost that argument.

Lord Method Man said,
I already stated, its indefensible. You lost, get over it.

And then I explained why it's there. Now, a logical progression would explaining why it didn't enable game sharing or that game sharing is a bad feature.

Lord Method Man said,
No, you just spewed the rhetoric Microsoft came up with during their embarassing attempt to defend their indefensible anti-consumer policies.

Yeah it wasn't anti-consumer though. People just got their pants in a twist over nothing. Consumers lost because of their reversal.

Lord Method Man said,
I already stated, its indefensible. You lost, get over it.

Just stating it as "indefensible" doesn't make it so just because Lord Method Man says it was. Contrary to what you seem to believe, the world does not revolve around you and your opinions.

spenser.d said,
Yeah it wasn't anti-consumer though. People just got their pants in a twist over nothing. Consumers lost because of their reversal.

lmao, consumers lost in getting what they wanted. Yeah, okay.

dead.cell said,

lmao, consumers lost in getting what they wanted. Yeah, okay.

First of all, just because people get what they want doesn't mean they chose the better option.

Second a smaller but very loud group of people got what they want. Most consumers would've been just fine and Microsoft would've been able to push the gaming industry forward more than just adding hardware does.

TCLN Ryster said,

Just stating it as "indefensible" doesn't make it so just because Lord Method Man says it was. Contrary to what you seem to believe, the world does not revolve around you and your opinions.

No, but the market seems to because Microsoft admitted defeat and removed their anti-consumer phone-home policy after several desperate attempts to salvage it with the public.

spenser.d said,
That's entirely debatable.

You're right, and we've tango'd before on this already. Though I will say that I did forget to add the fact that their PR team was also responsible for dropping the ball, in that people didn't know what it was supposed to do, much less how it was supposed to benefit them.

Lord Method Man said,
Sorry, you guys lost to consumers who didnt want to fully surrender their rights. Get over it.

I think we lost to idiots on the internet who can make a lot of noise without reading facts.

In fact, I think the whole next generation of consoles lost because of loud morons. There were some really cool features coming on both sides, but now we're stuck with PS3.5 and Xbox 361.

Media have a lot to do with all this Microsoft publicity failure. They should have explained the user what MS was trying to implement, instead of amplyfing the non-sense that were spreading : "MS want to spy us !" "I will lose all my rights if my console is plugged on my Internet router!". PPL tend to get very emotive these day, 90% of all arguments of the forums was non-sense IMO. Microsoft is a big corporation and it's good to hate those, just as it is to hate Apple without reason sometimes. Microsoft new policy is a step back for anyone not living in a very poor country.

LightEco said,

I think we lost to idiots on the internet who can make a lot of noise without reading facts.

In fact, I think the whole next generation of consoles lost because of loud morons. There were some really cool features coming on both sides, but now we're stuck with PS3.5 and Xbox 361.

Right here folks, here's your answer.
"anti consumer policies" lol I can't believe that card was played. How utterly quaint

People upset because ridiculous draconian DRM policies were taken out at the demand of consumers, wow. This place is really the twilight zone.

Mattrick really had you guys hook, line, and sinker.

Lord Method Man said,
People upset because ridiculous draconian DRM policies were taken out at the demand of consumers, wow. This place is really the twilight zone.

Mattrick really had you guys hook, line, and sinker.

Oh give it a rest. You didn't like it, some people did. Stop being so arrogant and just move on with your life. Jesus.

swanlee said,
I thought all Sony fans lived on islands in huts with generators and no internet? I mean the way they complained about Xbox one 24 hr check in you'd think no Sony fans have internet. Odd they all of a sudden seem ok with whatever Sony does in regard to requiring the net for a day one patch that enables most of the PS4 features. I mean what about the soldiers in submarines that Sony fans were so concerned with when the Xbox one had a 24 hr check in policy?

I lol'd, but there is a massive difference between a day one update, which could be a huge pain in the arse, and a 24hr check-in, which could be nigh on impossible.

Premeditated derpage if ever I've seen it.

Lord Method Man said,
People upset because ridiculous draconian DRM policies were taken out at the demand of consumers, wow. This place is really the twilight zone.

Mattrick really had you guys hook, line, and sinker.

Now please, explain WHY these policies were draconian. I would really like to know that.

mastercoms said,

Now please, explain WHY these policies were draconian. I would really like to know that.


Having to connect to the internet every 24hrs just to make sure you are not doing something you are not supposed to.

Not being able to sell your games directly to a friend, or on ebay for instance.

A game only being allowed to be sold once (via limited channels).

Kinect having to be turned on (at first), then always having to be connected, even if turned off.

Those are the things we got changed (there are probably a few more that I'm not remembering right now).

As for WHY they are draconian, work it out yourself. I think it's pretty self explanatory.

DARKFiB3R said,

Having to connect to the internet every 24hrs just to make sure you are not doing something you are not supposed to.

Not being able to sell your games directly to a friend, or on ebay for instance.

A game only being allowed to be sold once (via limited channels).

Kinect having to be turned on (at first), then always having to be connected, even if turned off.

Those are the things we got changed (there are probably a few more that I'm not remembering right now).

As for WHY they are draconian, work it out yourself. I think it's pretty self explanatory.

The reason for all of this DRM was because they switched to a digital based model than a disc based model, which would allow us to enjoy the benefits of family sharing, and everything else.

DARKFiB3R said,

Not being able to sell your games directly to a friend, or on ebay for instance.

Once again, someone who drew their conclusions without actually reading the facts. You could sell a game directly to a friend, it would simply transfer the digital license to them.

There was also a lot of features like the digital marketplace where you could sell and trade games that was scrapped. Why should I buy and sell on ebay and pay shipping and paypal fees when I could just trade my digital license?

There was a ton of cool stuff planned, but A) Microsoft did a terrible job explaining it (you had to really dig into the press releases and such for info and B) people continued to spread false info as truth, much as you are doing now.

mastercoms said,

The reason for all of this DRM was because they switched to a digital based model than a disc based model, which would allow us to enjoy the benefits of family sharing, and everything else.


Did I ask you for a reason for the DRM? No

Was the implementation draconian? Yes.

LightEco said,

Once again, someone who drew their conclusions without actually reading the facts. You could sell a game directly to a friend, it would simply transfer the digital license to them.

There was also a lot of features like the digital marketplace where you could sell and trade games that was scrapped. Why should I buy and sell on ebay and pay shipping and paypal fees when I could just trade my digital license?

There was a ton of cool stuff planned, but A) Microsoft did a terrible job explaining it (you had to really dig into the press releases and such for info and B) people continued to spread false info as truth, much as you are doing now.


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spenser.d said,

Still debatable.


Isn't everything? The way they went about it was far too restrictive. I have said this time and time again, but they could have had the features with a less restrictive DRM implementation, that didn't screw over consumers. And I think you will see that come to fruition in the not too distant future.

DARKFiB3R said,

Isn't everything? The way they went about it was far too restrictive. I have said this time and time again, but they could have had the features with a less restrictive DRM implementation, that didn't screw over consumers. And I think you will see that come to fruition in the not too distant future.

Not only that, but the evidence is there with Microsoft looking to explore options down the road. Their previously mentioned on/off, go or no-go situation could likely change once they can iron out the details. For me, as a gamer, I'd opt to go that route and let them figure out a better way to introduce it.

As it stands though, they had a lot of stuff to figure out before launch, and even more work still as they have run into issues with their release cycle and development. I feel Microsoft will likely work on getting their product out the door, to a stable state, and polished before we can begin to see them continue to pursue this. Or, I could be wrong, and they could already have guys actively working to resolve our issues with the DRM situation.

Still, hope is not lost for those that wanted it, and people didn't have to get shafted prematurely.

DARKFiB3R said,

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Microsoft later confirmed that was wrong and there would be no fees required from them. Publishers could do their own thing (think Online Passes), but nothing from Microsoft. The discs each have a specific key attached to them, on the disc. If you moved the game to another console, it would deactivate from yours and activate on the other, hence the need for the "always online" 24 hour check-in. Digital games would be handled by the proposed marketplace, but the full details never came to light due to the outrage online.

http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/...ntication-checks-used-games

This is a perfect example of Microsoft totally messing up the messaging. People just took what initially came out and ran with it (most of it being unconfirmed rumors), missing any clarifications that came later.

I know a few friends who still thought you needed to keep Kinect connected as of a couple weeks ago. If Microsoft would have clarified this all at the beginning, and came to the table with their finished strategy, there wouldn't have been nearly the outrage and people would have probably been far more accepting of the ideas proposed.

LightEco said,

/snip

So Phil Harrison (the ****ing corporate vice president of Microsoft) says there are fees and then Polygon says...

"Our sources also said that there are no plans to charge gamers a fee to sell or reactivate a used game. Earlier today, Microsoft's Larry Hryb touched on the topic of used games on his blog, but didn't say whether fees will be required."

I think you are believing what you want to believe. My belief is that if they could have gotten away with it, they would, but then started back peddling like crazy when the **** hit the fan.

It wasn't messing up the messaging it, it was a change of plan.

Seriously? It'll require a day one update to actually watch blu-ray movies on? They sure kept this quiet after they gloated you could do everything on the ps4 without an internet connection. They should have put a * at the end of that boast.

Doesn't sound too bad. Day one updates in general are normal these days anyway, shouldn't be an issue for anyone.

Wait what? They just now decided to tell us about all this? How is some of these key features coming with a update and not part of the system from the start? I'm actually surprised by some of this, I mean, DVD/Blu-ray support isn't out of the box? How did this happen?

Clearly MS and Sony are rushing these consoles out the door and they're not quite ready. Like with Bethesda games, early adopters will just be beta testers who are paying a premium to get in early. Once the first console price drops happen, you'll know they're actually ready for real use.

GP007 said,
Wait what? They just now decided to tell us about all this? How is some of these key features coming with a update and not part of the system from the start? I'm actually surprised by some of this, I mean, DVD/Blu-ray support isn't out of the box? How did this happen?

I thought the exact same thing dude. Something like DVD playback should be standard, no questions asked. I totally expect a 'day one web update' due to the nature of all consoles being online now a days, but the other stuff made me scratch my head.

Sony is what happened. Now that you basically have to connect to the internet for the device to be functional with a day one update, just like the Xbox One. I can't wait to see and laugh at the hypocrisy going on at NeoGAF and N4G and what excuses they have next. Going to grab some popcorn.

They're waiting until the last minute to install the latest and greatest AACS keys and other DRM related protocols that Sony has such a slobbering love affair with. This is the reason I refuse to purchase any Sony Pictures Blu-ray Discs.

Thief000 said,
Sony is what happened. Now that you basically have to connect to the internet for the device to be functional with a day one update, just like the Xbox One. I can't wait to see and laugh at the hypocrisy going on at NeoGAF and N4G and what excuses they have next. Going to grab some popcorn.

The lack of DVD/Blu-Ray playback is mind boggling and no sleep/reaume is disappointing but lets not go overboard. Most of the stuff that comes with the update leans towards an internet connection anyway.

PS4 can play games.out of.the box, Xbox One can not. Yes, if you want to watch a DVD then your out of luck on PS4.

We should be giving both platform holders a break on software, they are new and more complicated than previous systems, they have to stockpile hardware long before. As long as they patch in good time, we shouldn't really be up in arms.

Lastly, to some people in this article, stop being Microsoft, Sony apologists, it's so obvious and embarrassing. You can disagree, agree or whatever but have a personal opinion, don't just twist things so your favourable company doesn't look bad or hammer another for such empty reasons. Companies won't love or hate you more or less. The community here would be so much better for it.

Of course, it's been mandatory for Blu-Ray players since early 2012. But there are ways to bypass it. The PS3 launched before that, yet still implemented it in their firmware.

giantpotato said,

Since Xbox One has a Blu-Ray player it will also have to implement Cinavia.

But discs themselves aren't required to use it. Only Sony Pictures use Cinavia on all their discs, which is why Sony is on the do-not-buy list.

Open PS2 box, play DVD's and games right away
Open PS3 box, play DVD, Bluray and games right away.
Open PS4 box, update required to play discs.

I'm not complaining but its funny that we need online activation for a feature that worked out of the box 12 years ago.

GP007 said,
Wait what? They just now decided to tell us about all this? How is some of these key features coming with a update and not part of the system from the start? I'm actually surprised by some of this, I mean, DVD/Blu-ray support isn't out of the box? How did this happen?

Exactly. Bizarre...

To me it sounds like the Disc Drives won't have a region lock until the unit activates... within the country you are in? I don't know if there is region lock to begin with, but if there is this may reduce have different stock piles of region based Consoles...? I don't really know and I am interested as well about this, as it is very strange (like what happens to those you don't have internet access, they can't watch movies on it!! That stinks).

brink668 said,
To me it sounds like the Disc Drives won't have a region lock until the unit activates... within the country you are in? I don't know if there is region lock to begin with, but if there is this may reduce have different stock piles of region based Consoles...? I don't really know and I am interested as well about this, as it is very strange (like what happens to those you don't have internet access, they can't watch movies on it!! That stinks).

Basically yeah, you'll have to go online and update before you can watch videos on it, I don't know if any games will need it and come with it but that could be another way to get it out.

GP007 said,
Wait what? They just now decided to tell us about all this? How is some of these key features coming with a update and not part of the system from the start? I'm actually surprised by some of this, I mean, DVD/Blu-ray support isn't out of the box? How did this happen?

sounds like a security feature so that people can't enjoy the system until the actual launch just incase someone gets a leaked console.

GP007 said,
Wait what? They just now decided to tell us about all this? How is some of these key features coming with a update and not part of the system from the start? I'm actually surprised by some of this, I mean, DVD/Blu-ray support isn't out of the box? How did this happen?

In fact, I think that they are protecting themselves against a possible jailbreak on the original firmware, as the firmware will be incomplete, it will be useless to try to find an exploit on it. I might be wrong tho, but, that seems like it.

I wouldnt be surprised if this wasnt a tax or import fee dodge. If it doesnt ship with the code to play DVD's and Blurays, then it technically isnt a Video Disk Player and may side step some import fees, etc.

Sony has done things like this before when they left Linux on the PS3 to get it into Europe as a "computer" instead of a "video game system", which saved them millions.

AmazingRando said,
I wouldnt be surprised if this wasnt a tax or import fee dodge. If it doesnt ship with the code to play DVD's and Blurays, then it technically isnt a Video Disk Player and may side step some import fees, etc.

Sony has done things like this before when they left Linux on the PS3 to get it into Europe as a "computer" instead of a "video game system", which saved them millions.

QFT

Lord Method Man said,

But discs themselves aren't required to use it. Only Sony Pictures use Cinavia on all their discs, which is why Sony is on the do-not-buy list.

Who cares if they use Cinavia? If you're actually *buying* the disc you have nothing to worry about.

Just FTR, linux had nothing to do with it being registered as a computer system, the PS2 and I believe PS1 was also imported as computers.

[quote=GP007 said,]Wait what? They just now decided to tell us about all this? How is some of these key features coming with a update and not part of the system from the start? I'm actually surprised by some of this, I mean, DVD/Blu-ray support isn't out of the box? How did this happen?[/quote

licensing. Sony paid for each console a license with the PS3 for everything out of the box - Microsoft paid a per-use license with the 360's divx codec.. Its why you needed to connect online to watch AVIs. Either they went per-use, or waited to see if it was worth paying for full licensing on each system.

Thief000 said,
Sony is what happened. Now that you basically have to connect to the internet for the device to be functional with a day one update, just like the Xbox One. I can't wait to see and laugh at the hypocrisy going on at NeoGAF and N4G and what excuses they have next. Going to grab some popcorn.

There's a little difference between always-online and connecting it one day.