Dell + Vista = (PRODUCT) RED

There's been some speculation online that Windows, Dell and (RED) are going to make an announcement later this week at Davos. Wouldn't it be incredible if, through the simple act of choosing a PC, and at no extra cost to you, you could put someone living with AIDS in Africa on antiretroviral (ARV) treatment for more than six months? Windows, Dell and (RED) are proud to introduce our (PRODUCT) RED products later this week. Look for details in the coming days...

News source: Windows Vista Team Blog

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what many people don't realise is that treatment for HIV carries side effects which are infact so detrimental to certain individuals that they would rather live without the treatment, a fact unbeknownst to myself untill last friday when a person who has lived with HIV for the last 17 years came to my school and informed us that when she herself was on treatment she was hospitalised and has never used it since......big money organisations need to think about these things before diving headlong into potentially ruining peoples lives further.

what many people don't realise is that treatment for HIV carries side effects which are infact so detrimental to certain individuals that they would rather live without the treatment

You said it: Certain individuals!
Why not try to make like 80% of these people happier? (i havent got numbers, but it sure is a respectable amount)
the rest still can say "No, it's making my life harder"

Also I am shocked about many commentators on here, I think that quite a bunch on here missed some seriously important life lections in their development!

Before you start complaining, which is already totally incorrect by the way, we should give Africa the possibility to enhance economics, health and social securities - and chances of fair trade to make everything achievable.

Glassed Silver:mac

(Glassed Silver said @ #10.1)
Before you start complaining, which is already totally incorrect by the way, we should give Africa the possibility to enhance economics, health and social securities - and chances of fair trade to make everything achievable.

Glassed Silver:mac


Which this certainly doesn't do seeing as how AIDs is a terminal virus...

I really hate Project (red) for the simple reason that the participants are using it solely as a marketing gimmick.

Take GAP for instance. They have some awesome (red) products. But you compare them to similar products in the store and they are all more expensive. Why? So GAP can take no less profit for themselves on these items and still have money to donate to the charity.

Another great example is the red iPod Apple tried to sell last year. A whopping $5 went to charity and the rest of the proceeds went to Steve Jobs' company (of course). Why couldn't all the proceeds from this ONE model of iPod go to charity? Apparently that is too much to ask.

If participants were donating ALL proceeds from (red) product sales then this would be a fantastic idea... but sadly they are in it primarily to make themselves look good and improve sales and secondly to generate charitable donations.

My issue with the whole product RED stuff goes beyond the fact that iirc 10m quid from the project went missing..
but rather... that this is not a solution.. this seems to be a way of getting more sales for the pharmaceutical companies... is it really a benefit to someones life that it is extended by as much as the drugs keep coming.. these are for buying anti retroviral drugs -- they are not a cure.. they just delay things afaik.

When we look at the big drug companies -- there is blatant corruption.. now when you talk about millions of pills surely someone somewhere is creaming off the profits / taking backhanders.. this is no solution.. giving people drugs is no subsitute for real help and real on the ground aid..

I must agree with the poster above. How many of us actually HELP people with these sort of conditions rather than feel "sympathetic" from a safe distance.

This way both win. We, as consumers purchase a product at a fair price that we wish to utilise, and we also enable an organisation to help people with illness in less fortunate countries.

I might be wrong but I think the majority of my generation and indeed the UK, Midlands population (from what I've seen the last 20 years) needs to have a serious change of heart such is the level of inbuilt hatred of "outsiders".

No, this isn't a race issue, but the seeds are already there for all to be seen.

Simply put, this is a positive people! Not a negative. So what if it's a 'cynical' plot to get us to buy more Vista machines...who cares WHY they are doing it. Whatever the reason they are enabled help to others elss fortunate.

Have a shred of human decency for crying out loud

(Wiggz said @ #1)
Simply put, this is a positive people! Not a negative. So what if it's a 'cynical' plot to get us to buy more Vista machines...who cares WHY they are doing it. Whatever the reason they are enabled help to others elss fortunate.

Have a shred of human decency for crying out loud

'A shred of decency' has nothing to do with it.. how about having a more realistic point of view?

This is a 'positive' ONLY for the charity administrators and MS/DELL PR... have you any CLUE as to the money that actually gets put to the use it's supposed to... Band Aid and it's subsidiary charities raised (aprox ) $5 billion, yet conservative estimates put the amount at 5% actual 'good' usage.

Charity money get filtered away by corrupt officials and 'administrative costs'... they all line their pockets while we give to salve our conscience... Hypocracy and cynicism all round.. let's have a bit of transparency and truth for a change, instead of people like you who laud faceless corporations because you are either so eager to sooth your guilt, or don't really have an informed knowledge in the first place.

(The Walker said @ #6.2)

'A shred of decency' has nothing to do with it.. how about having a more realistic point of view?

This is a 'positive' ONLY for the charity administrators and MS/DELL PR... have you any CLUE as to the money that actually gets put to the use it's supposed to... Band Aid and it's subsidiary charities raised (aprox ) $5 billion, yet conservative estimates put the amount at 5% actual 'good' usage.

Charity money get filtered away by corrupt officials and 'administrative costs'... they all line their pockets while we give to salve our conscience... Hypocracy and cynicism all round.. let's have a bit of transparency and truth for a change, instead of people like you who laud faceless corporations because you are either so eager to sooth your guilt, or don't really have an informed knowledge in the first place.


+1

Three major organizations announces that they will do something to help improve life quality of the people in the third world, and you people just CANNOT write ONE positive thing?

I see no point wasting the money to help people in Africa with AIDS. They are going to die from it anyways.

So what you say is that they shouldn't bother, as long as they are just helping Africa?

You sir, are an IDIOT.

Guess your are the type of person that don't stop at a road accident, because the person in the car is probably already dead. He wouldn't need your help, would he?

I'm sorry, but waking up to reading the initial article, a thought; "Hey! This is really positive". Why can't good news,just be good news? If someone wants to help someone else, no matter what reason, isn't that a good thing?

Just like Bill Gates and his wife, donating A LOT of money to charity, and some idiot in the media calculated that he only did it for the tax deduction? sure he got a tax deduction, but WHO GIVES A ****, that money helped/helps a lot of people...


What has the world come to...

Can somebody really be of the meaning that this is a bad thing?

Edit; If the title said "Linus Torvalds sets up linux support phones in several countries , all company earnings goes to "Insert same project here"", your response with be another one...
sad...

(morphen said @ #5)
Three major organizations announces that they will do something to help improve life quality of the people in the third world, and you people just CANNOT write ONE positive thing?

So what you say is that they shouldn't bother, as long as they are just helping Africa?

You sir, are an IDIOT.

Guess your are the type of person that don't stop at a road accident, because the person in the car is probably already dead. He wouldn't need your help, would he?

I'm sorry, but waking up to reading the initial article, a thought; "Hey! This is really positive". Why can't good news,just be good news? If someone wants to help someone else, no matter what reason, isn't that a good thing?

Just like Bill Gates and his wife, donating A LOT of money to charity, and some idiot in the media calculated that he only did it for the tax deduction? sure he got a tax deduction, but WHO GIVES A ****, that money helped/helps a lot of people...


What has the world come to...

Can somebody really be of the meaning that this is a bad thing?

Edit; If the title said "Linus Torvalds sets up linux support phones in several countries , all company earnings goes to "Insert same project here"", your response with be another one...
sad...


Again why waste money on prolonging their suffering and giving them more time to spread the disease? There is no current cure for aids, I could see if there was one then yeah help them. But instead of wasting money on keeping them alive how about using that money to fund the research for the cure?

No, you sir are an idiot. A person in a road accident has a chance to be saved. People with AIDs do not. Like a previous poster said, often times AIDs and HIV treatment has a horrible toll on the body and a lot of times you're better off not getting treatment at all.

The Gates Foundation actually helps people as a whole. Like the old famous saying goes, the good of the many outweighs the good of the few. It's better to put forth time, money, and energy to help a populous as a whole for everyone to benefit from instead of trying to boost sales to treat individuals that WILL die within a decade or two from the AIDs virus.

And wtf is the deal with your last comment? Seriously, if you're going to make a rebuttal, at least try not to bring petty fanboyism into it.

(morphen said @ #4.1)
Then don't, buy a "Linux machine".
But Dell's Linux machines won't be bundled with this humanitarian effort, yeilding the next ad campaign from Microsoft: "Linux kills kids in Africa".

Yeah, my post was exactly as dumb as yours. :P

(markjensen said @ #4.2)
But Dell's Linux machines won't be bundled with this humanitarian effort, yeilding the next ad campaign from Microsoft: "Linux kills kids in Africa".

Yeah, my post was exactly as dumb as yours. :P

Guess you did'nt see the irony:p

As bad as AIDS is, I see no point wasting the money to help people in Africa with AIDS. They are going to die from it anyways. Also, why Africa? There are plenty of other countries where people have AIDS. This money would honestly be put to better use donating to reputable organizations and charities instead of trying to help people that are doomed to die from the virus in the not so distant future.

RED also helps with prevention of HIV

Swaziland
reached over 4,400 mothers with services to prevent mother-to-child-transmission of HIV
trained over 150 midwives and doctors in the prevention of mother-to-child transmission of HIV
equipped over 40 hospitals to provide services to prevent mother-to-child transmission of HIV
reached over 140,000 people with voluntary counseling and testing for prevention of HIV
trained over 70 counselors to teach prevention of HIV
set up over 35 counseling and testing centers for prevention of HIV
established feeding schemes in 335 schools
built 154 community feeding centers
provided education support for over 36,000 vulnerable children
provided anti-retroviral therapy for HIV/AIDS to almost 15,000 patients
trained over 3,000 health workers to deliver home-based care for patients with HIV/AIDS

(Xilo said @ #3)
As bad as AIDS is, I see no point wasting the money to help people in Africa with AIDS. They are going to die from it anyways. Also, why Africa? There are plenty of other countries where people have AIDS. This money would honestly be put to better use donating to reputable organizations and charities instead of trying to help people that are doomed to die from the virus in the not so distant future.

As much as it sucks, I have to agree with you. I feel absolutely rotten about saying this but....

and at no extra cost to you, you could put someone living with AIDS in Africa on antiretroviral (ARV) treatment for more than six months

Six more months to spread the virus that is going to kill you. Hmmmmmmmm....... ok flame me, I deserve it.

(Xilo said @ #3)
As bad as AIDS is, I see no point wasting the money to help people in Africa with AIDS. They are going to die from it anyways. Also, why Africa? There are plenty of other countries where people have AIDS. This money would honestly be put to better use donating to reputable organizations and charities instead of trying to help people that are doomed to die from the virus in the not so distant future.

Dude I have a question for you, are you a human?

You wouldn't understand until YOU are the one dying. Never kill hope.

(Xilo said @ #3)
I see no point wasting the money to help people in Africa with AIDS. They are going to die from it anyways. Also, why Africa? There are plenty of other countries where people have AIDS.

Everyone is eventually going to die of something. At least with these kinds of efforts, many of the beneficiaries of these funds are children who are entitled to live at least an approximation of a full life.

If you're going to get down on doomed people, get down on the practice of spending massive amounts of money to keep brain-dead and terminally ill old people alive: people who get the lion's share of all medical funding in the developed countries around the world while the children mentioned above are left to die a horrible death that most people wouldn't wish on their worst enemy.

As for "why Africa"? Why not Africa? You say that "there are plenty of other countries where people have AIDS." What's that got to do with the price of tea in China? Nobody is suggesting that people in these other countries be denied medical aid.

You, on the other hand, seems to be implying that Africans are less deserving of aid than others and should be left to die. Why? Because most of them are black? If this is your opinion, you've just stepped over the line into the realm of those who promote racism and genocidal extermination. As such, you may wish to rethink your position on this issue.

Xilo said
Why? Because most of them are black? If this is your opinion, you've just stepped over the line into the realm of those who promote racism and genocidal extermination. As such, you may wish to rethink your position on this issue.

Of course, the more sceptical among us might highlight the fact that the only person to link the issue to being black thus far, is you. You were doing really well too, until you went for the usual mass vote-winner of making it seem like the author of the comment is a racist. At absolutely no point did he even intimate that it was a matter of skin colour. You, dear commenter, hold that esteemed title.

(Xilo said @ #3)
As bad as AIDS is, I see no point wasting the money to help people in Africa with AIDS. They are going to die from it anyways. Also, why Africa? There are plenty of other countries where people have AIDS. This money would honestly be put to better use donating to reputable organizations and charities instead of trying to help people that are doomed to die from the virus in the not so distant future.

I see no point in allowing you access to food, water, and air anymore. I mean, you're going to die anyway, so why should we let you have those anymore?

Save them all a horrible slow death, lobby George Bush, he has plenty of Nukes to spare, and he just loves bombing people, and blowing things up, as many frogs could testify, if they had not been made to swallow fireworks. Next we'll kill off the sick and disabled in our own country, they are just a waste of space too! BTW, have you read the well researched hypothesis that AIDS followed Polio vaccination programs (including hepatitis vaccinations in the gay community) And they say it came from (cross) blood infections from monkeys. Now which sounds more likely...?

(boho said @ #3.7)
Save them all a horrible slow death, lobby George Bush, he has plenty of Nukes to spare, and he just loves bombing people, and blowing things up, as many frogs could testify, if they had not been made to swallow fireworks. Next we'll kill off the sick and disabled in our own country, they are just a waste of space too! BTW, have you read the well researched hypothesis that AIDS followed Polio vaccination programs (including hepatitis vaccinations in the gay community) And they say it came from (cross) blood infections from monkeys. Now which sounds more likely...?

I think you need to quit before you fall too far behind... Your attitude is going nowhere except the hate bin.

(Octol said @ #3.4)

Everyone is eventually going to die of something. At least with these kinds of efforts, many of the beneficiaries of these funds are children who are entitled to live at least an approximation of a full life.

If you're going to get down on doomed people, get down on the practice of spending massive amounts of money to keep brain-dead and terminally ill old people alive: people who get the lion's share of all medical funding in the developed countries around the world while the children mentioned above are left to die a horrible death that most people wouldn't wish on their worst enemy.

As for "why Africa"? Why not Africa? You say that "there are plenty of other countries where people have AIDS." What's that got to do with the price of tea in China? Nobody is suggesting that people in these other countries be denied medical aid.

You, on the other hand, seems to be implying that Africans are less deserving of aid than others and should be left to die. Why? Because most of them are black? If this is your opinion, you've just stepped over the line into the realm of those who promote racism and genocidal extermination. As such, you may wish to rethink your position on this issue.

That was good.

(Shadrack said @ #3.2)

As much as it sucks, I have to agree with you. I feel absolutely rotten about saying this but....

Six more months to spread the virus that is going to kill you. Hmmmmmmmm....... ok flame me, I deserve it.


I too agree with you, the biggest issue of these folks 2 things, they need to be educated about Aids and they need to be serious once they learn about it. Until these 2 things no one should spend a single dollar in africa to help these people with aids. They spread the disease like wildfire because they have all this unprotected sex and then go to witch doctors to try to cure them. Thinking that they are cured they just continue to spread it. Personally I feel that until they stop the sex this disease is not going any where. Now about putting them on drugs, all that does is give them more time to spread the disease before they die. Again that too is a sex issue.

(Octol said @ #3.4)

Everyone is eventually going to die of something. At least with these kinds of efforts, many of the beneficiaries of these funds are children who are entitled to live at least an approximation of a full life.

If you're going to get down on doomed people, get down on the practice of spending massive amounts of money to keep brain-dead and terminally ill old people alive: people who get the lion's share of all medical funding in the developed countries around the world while the children mentioned above are left to die a horrible death that most people wouldn't wish on their worst enemy.

As for "why Africa"? Why not Africa? You say that "there are plenty of other countries where people have AIDS." What's that got to do with the price of tea in China? Nobody is suggesting that people in these other countries be denied medical aid.

You, on the other hand, seems to be implying that Africans are less deserving of aid than others and should be left to die. Why? Because most of them are black? If this is your opinion, you've just stepped over the line into the realm of those who promote racism and genocidal extermination. As such, you may wish to rethink your position on this issue.


Yes, everyone will eventually die. However, my point is, people infected with the AIDs virus has a very short life expectancy compared to those that do not. It's better to put forth the money for something that can benefit the people as a whole; to better the lives of the populous instead of using the money for something that in the whole picture is a waste. Instead of trying to give these people with AIDs that will die for certain within a few years a little bit longer, this could be focusing on better things like education, or creating an infrastructure to better the well-being of ALL the people, not just a select few with a terminal virus.

Why make this a case of racism? Please, are you that insecure about yourself that you have to bring up racism? I mentioned nothing of black people. I merely state why Africa? There's plenty of other 3rd world countries that could use aid. There are plenty of people within our own country that suffer from AIDs too. Whenever any type of charity like this comes up, it's always for Africa. They aren't the only 3rd world country too you know. I merely ask why it's always Africa.

To me, honestly, this just sounds like a marketing scheme to increase sales.

(Xilo said @ #3.11)
Why make this a case of racism? Please, are you that insecure about yourself that you have to bring up racism?

Excuse me!??

You say that an entire continent full of black people should be left to die and you think it's unreasonable that someone might interpret this as a racist comment?? And then you call me insecure???

Jesus H. Christ on a crutch!! Save me from morons!!

(Octol said @ #3.12)

Excuse me!??

You say that an entire continent full of black people should be left to die and you think it's unreasonable that someone might interpret this as a racist comment?? And then you call me insecure???

Jesus H. Christ on a crutch!! Save me from morons!!


Wow, again I never said anything like that. Stop reading between the lines, god damn. You, sir, are the one that has a racial problem. Not me.

You can't justify many infrastructure projects that way.

How would you build a water treatment plant with the "help one person directly" model?

Now if only they donated a OLPC instead of simply donating money, so you're directly helping 1 child instead of just giving a massive organisation a little bit of money to spread across various things.

Or put food in bellies. This is all part of the New World Order, which is designed to impoverish everyone on the planet save those chosen few. Welcome, one and all! :confused: