Dell brings back XP on home systems

Amid significant customer demand, the computer maker said on Thursday that it has returned to offering the older Windows version as an option on some of its consumer PCs.

Like most computer makers, Dell switched nearly entirely to Vista-based systems following Microsoft's mainstream launch of the operating system in January. However, the company said its customers have been asking for XP as part of its IdeaStorm project, which asks customers to help the company come up with product ideas.

"We heard you loud and clear on bringing the Windows XP option back to our Dell consumer PC offerings," Dell said on its Ideas in Action page. Users get to vote on various suggestions, and the notion of bringing back XP got 10,000 "points," making it among the most popular requests but well below top picks such as adding Linux or OpenOffice.org to its PCs.

Windows XP systems became scarce, but not impossible to find, after Vista arrived. For example, Hewlett-Packard said it would continue selling XP on some machines aimed at small and midsize businesses, while CompUSA still stocks a couple of business-oriented XP systems in its retail stores. Lenovo has also continued shipping XP on many of its business systems.

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Maya, 3dsmax and other autodesk software don't work at all or don't work properly on Vista... some new software like Toxik won't run at all on Vista... that because of the lack of OGL support on this ****ty OS. TRUST ME, I work right next door to autodesk in Montreal and I can tell you right now THEY WILL NOT switch to Direct X graphic APIs for there software. They need to develop for Mac and Linux also, so if they have to, and they have said it in a meeting with our company last week, they will ditch support for the windows OS. MS needs to do something about it or yeah... they will basically disapear from the film, 3d , post-prod industry

I'd like to know what sort of software people are trying to use, that doesn't work. If I can run a 10yr old OpenGL game on Vista (which doesn't have really good OpenGL support to begin with), why is it that people are having trouble with normal apps?

Here's a friendly reminder to Dell/HP/Compaq/Toshiba/IBM/whoever else: if you're going to try to force Vista down my throat without any option to choose XP instead, you're simply gonna lose my business. No ifs or buts about it, end of discussion.

Well, I installed Vista on a very powerful desktop, well beyond the hardware requirements stated by M$, and ran it for a month before reinstating XP, which I will keep until the Vista SP1 appears.

Vista is OK if all you want to do is run your PC. But once you start trying to use your expensive peripherals, then the driver problems start. And even the inexpensive peripherals - I have four USB memory sticks, only one of which actually works, and there is no indication why that one functions rather than the others? My two Skype phones don't work - why not? HP still have not produced scanner drivers - why not?

By contrast, everything works in XP, which has been around a long while, and therefore most devices have drivers available.

Putting it all down on paper, side by side, to evaluate the two OSs, on the plus side Vista can only offer some pretty shell improvements. There are still far too many negatives. But XP does everything OOTB and if you don't want pretty graphics, then it's just fine. And it's worth remembering that the Vista Basic edition doesn't even offer many of the pretty bits.


Well I just went to do a little configuring and guess what? Dell's current 25% off coupon only works with Vista desktops. When you do a configuration with XP you pay almost $200 more. Not to mention the fact that you only pay about $25 more to begin with for Vista. I just think that if you are going to offer your customers a choice then why not actually give them some value for their money rather that just doing it because there was a ton of complaints?

I bought a new laptop 2 months ago with Vista pre-installed. I've tried to put up with it, but i've had nothing but problems. Bad sound, videos going out of sync, dvds jumping, media center continuously crashing. Every piece of software I use, whether it be new or old, doesn't work the way it should. I finally snapped a week ago and went back to XP and have not had a single problem since. Best thing I ever did. I'm sure there are people out there who are happy with Vista, but in my opinion, Dell giving people the option to stick with XP was a wise move.

I think this is really stupid. Most of the customers I dealt with (when I still worked at Circuit City) that didn't like Vista had never even used it before. They just "heard" that it was crap. Once I talked to them about it and showed it to them, they had no problems and loved it. I guarantee the vast majority of customers who were requesting XP be brought back are those customers that have no experience with Vista and have just "heard" that it's bad. And this is the point in time at which most drivers have solidified and there are very few issues anymore.

wtf, what really gets me ****ed is let people choose the damn OS not by some fanboy or microsoft .. if people want there damn xp let them they probably don't care about how super duper is vista is... People ask me what do you think of Vista, I tell listen I'm not going answer that because I have mix feeling about it so is best you try it out and make choice stick with xp or vista..
overall XP still good os and some normal joe aren't going to switch unless they buy new system, and if there new super duper system bring Vista and they probably want XP back. let them have it is there money even if look stupid to you...

mrmckeb said,
Yes. Dell has made another stupid decision.

Offering consumers a choice is stupid? Wow, did you forget the </sarcasm> tag?

The ignorance being demonstrated by all the anti-Vista fanatics on here really astounds me. The vast majority of them have never even tried Vista, and even if they have, they tried the Beta and RC versions which are no indication of what Vista is like today.

From my own personal observations I can say that:
Vista is just as stable as XP, if not more so.
Vista runs games with comparable framerates to XP now the drivers are starting to catch up (bad nvidia!!;) )
Vista has many small improvements that on their own don't seem like much to write home about, but put together make the Vista environment more more user friendly than XP.
Vista has a much improved sound infrastructure and network stack.
Vista runs all of the software I wan't it to run just fine, even on the x64 edition of Ultimate that I am using.
Vista has DirectX 10 which gives me great optimism for the future. Several of my games are supposedly to have a new patch that give them DX10 features in the future. This sounds very exciting and promises to improve gaming performance and make stuff look nicer. I just need a new DX10 card now :)

Granted one or two changes are not so great (I prefer XP's network panels for instance), but the majority of the changes actually work better once you have gotten used to them. Most of the people asking Dell to supply XP are simply afraid of change and wan't to put off learning a new operating system as long as possible. But in November (I think) they will be out of luck as OEMs will not be allowed to sell XP on their new machines any more so they will be forced to learn Vista at that point.

Agreed.

I moved on to Vista a long time ago, and I am not looking back. It's better than XP in nearly every way, I'm very happy with Vista, and have been recommending it to everyone.

I agree. The one problem I have with it is iTunes, which is Apple's fault (they've never been able to port their Mac apps to Windows). I have a small issue with Enemy Territory too, but it's a mod bug, I believe. Overall, Vista has been just as stable as XP was and goes just as fast too. Those comparing Vista to the Betas/RC's are trying to compare Windows ME to XP ... it just don't work. The Betas/RC's were nice if I wanted BSOD's. :P I've not had any problems with the final ...

I run vista on a pentium m 1.5 ghz with 1 gig ram and intel 915 graphics and it runs a lot better on this laptop then xp did yes minus aero but still.

I am also running it on my dell xps410 and I am also having no problems. I am typing this on a dell dimension 9100 with vista business also with no problems.

I don't see what the problem with vista is?

One thing I like about vista that xp had problems with is automatic updates. I have not had to manually insta;ll a single vista update so far. I would have to with xp every now and then.

With right drivers & config, Vista is Perfect...HP, Lenova, Toshiba & even Vaio have good drivers working with Vista with there PC's & laptop's except dell..

IMO they are trying to gain market share they loss to HP.

I never say that XP is old or bad..but Vista is good & new! I use it in my PC & also one of several guys in my office to use it for development in production running mainstream sql 2005 & oracle, vs.net & SAP all in without issues with right patches & Servicepacks. Also running MSflight simulator X, Halo for pc without any issues.

What's the problem with vista? it runs fine, it's pretty, stable and secure! Why would people choose XP over vista, on a new pc...

Dell will only do this till they get full vista driver support... heck their Latitute finger print readers dont even work in vista yet... and they dont have what they consdier "fully supported sound card drivers" so they where only selling integrated sound with vista systems...

I haven't took to Vista myself yet. Two attempts at home and each time I've ended back onto XP. My work laptop I forced myself to Vista and since its so bulky and heavy on resources I have been forced to run it at best performance with the old "classic style". I hated XP though at first to be fair. Service Packs will hopefully put things right.

Well done Dell.

Now Dell sell systems also without OPS so I know it can be done except buyers have to jump through hoops to make you do it.

Vista needs to go back to the beta testers.

This is similar to OEMs opting to ship PC's with Windows 98SE instead of the newer crappy Windows Millennium. Anyone remember that?

ahh yes windows me. i never got on that bangwagon.. i almost did. but then didnt go through with it...

i could remember everytime i went to walmart there was always tons of people coming out with a windows me computer

(if you ask why walmart was where everybody was buying.. that was the only store that sold new computers in my town)

i stuck with my trusty 98.. untill i upgraded to xp

As spoken by people who have probably never even tried Vista.... and no, trying out the betas does not count. The betas are nothing like the final product.

The phrase "jumping on the bandwagon" seems an appropriate response to your two comments....

TCLN Ryster said,
As spoken by people who have probably never even tried Vista....

The phrase "jumping on the bandwagon" seems an appropriate response to your two comments....

*probably* is right. make sure you unclude that little modifier . . . "probably." Because alot of people "probably" have. And quite a few of them have been less than impressed.

Vista's reception by and large has been almost Zune-like.

LTD said,
*probably* is right. make sure you unclude that little modifier . . . "probably." Because alot of people "probably" have. And quite a few of them have been less than impressed.

Vista's reception by and large has been almost Zune-like.


Have you tried Vista then? What didn't you like about it?

Vista's reception by and large has been almost Zune-like.

And people who hate Zune compared to other media players are nuts also.


Because alot of people "probably" have. And quite a few of them have been less than impressed.

We're not talking about people who had it on their machine for 1 hour, and went WTF why does everything work different and run away; or people who are geeks and go waaaaa where's the up button in Explorer. We're talking about people who actually have an open mind.

I am open minded and if people seriously like another OS better than Windows then thats their business. But if someone buys a new Vista-compatible PC, optimized for Vista, and they want Vista uninstalled and replaced with Windows XP; thats dumb and probably ignorant. I feel sorry for people who buy a Dell with XP, because unless Dell offers them a free upgrade to Vista, they're going to want to buy a version themselves eventually once they make themselves feel better by the fact that SP1 is out.

brianshapiro said,

And people who hate Zune compared to other media players are nuts also.


We're not talking about people who had it on their machine for 1 hour, and went WTF why does everything work different and run away; or people who are geeks and go waaaaa where's the up button in Explorer. We're talking about people who actually have an open mind.

I am open minded and if people seriously like another OS better than Windows then thats their business. But if someone buys a new Vista-compatible PC, optimized for Vista, and they want Vista uninstalled and replaced with Windows XP; thats dumb and probably ignorant. I feel sorry for people who buy a Dell with XP, because unless Dell offers them a free upgrade to Vista, they're going to want to buy a version themselves eventually once they make themselves feel better by the fact that SP1 is out.

I ran it for a month back in December (yes, legally) and found that it was causing me more hassle than it was worth. It ran slower than XP, it didn't work well with my videos in VLC and it didn't sync with my Pocket PC. So, a month after I installed it I switched back to my XP partition and I've been using that ever since. I'm not condemning Vista like some people, but I honestly can see no reason to switch.

I used Vista for 1 hour. While irritating that everything was moved around and names were changed to protect the guilty, that wasn't a problem. A few Google searches and I found out how to fix everything I wanted.

Two things irritated me:

1) On my way to making restore disks (which took about 2 hours to get started) before I had any software installed, the Intel Video driver had window droppings. Explorer wouldn't always repaint correctly and I had to mouse around to force the screens to paint right. I would have thought that Intel wasn't in the brouhaha of driver problems but they are. This means that no company has Vista compatible video drivers.

2) Once I got "improved performance for the naive" (otherwise known as SuperFetch) and a few other things turned off I got pretty good performance out of Vista but one problem remained. It couldn't give good performance all the time. It was like a car that goes 70 most of the time but sometimes it decides that 15 is the top speed. Cars and Vistas that behave like that go back to the shop.

The real reason this system was upgraded to XP was because the software that was needed is so old and crappy that it's virtually 100% chance to not work in Vista. Vista gets too expensive to even be interesting when the replacement cost of all the other software is considered.

Vista ran poorly on that cheapo eMachines. XP runs fast and reliable.

severach said,
Vista ran poorly on that cheapo eMachines. XP runs fast and reliable.

Thats a pretty sad excuse to make fun of Vista. Its a next-gen operating system, so of course you need a new computer. Most people who ditch Vista and go back to XP because they think Vista is "slow" have old, ****ty machines. Any Vista premuim ready system can run Vista much faster than it can run XP.

faraaz said,

Thats a pretty sad excuse to make fun of Vista. Its a next-gen operating system, so of course you need a new computer. Most people who ditch Vista and go back to XP because they think Vista is "slow" have old, ****ty machines. Any Vista premuim ready system can run Vista much faster than it can run XP.


Dude os x tiger will be pretty much new generation os but i can guarantee that it wil run better on most macs out of the box, even those that are 1 few years old. So there is no point arguing about it. U have to code well and optimize it to run better. Unfortunately i don't see it happening in this or next versions of the windows OS untill or unless they start to recode the OS again(just like apple did with os x)

It was a new computer shipped with Vista. I reverted it to XP to ensure the old crappy software would work correctly. You also didn't notice that I was able to get good performance out of it most of the time. Maybe by Vista SP1 they will have the performance to where you don't wonder if you're going to get to work or not.