DirectX 10 Support to Become Compulsory for "Vista Premium"

In June 2008, Microsoft Corporation plans to make DirectX 10-compliant graphics cores compulsory for personal computers carrying the "Windows Vista Premium" logo. The software giant hopes to boost popularity of its new operating system among gamers and a new application programming interface among game developers. That means, if Microsoft gets its way, DirectX 9-compliant graphics cores will only be found inside low-cost "Windows Vista Capable" systems.

Currently, a "Windows Vista Capable" PC should include at least a 800MHz CPU, 512MB of system memory as well as a DirectX 9-compliant graphics processor. At the same time, "Windows Vista Premium" PC should feature at least a 1.0GHz microprocessor, 1GB of memory, a DirectX 9.0-compliant graphics adapter that supports pixel shader 2.0 with 32-bit precision and equipped 128MB of memory, 40GB hard disk drive with 15GB free space, DVD-ROM drive, audio output and Internet access capability.

News source: Xbit Laboratories

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I had Vista on my QuadCore computer with 4GB memory for ONE day until I realised that I was wasting resources of this beast computer of mine to a freaking OS .. XP 64-bit and very happy user here

So they're just changing the requirements needed for a PC to get the Vista Premium sticker. WTF is the big deal? Are stickers so important to you guys? Do you guys need it to complete your sticker book collection or something?

kheldorin said,
So they're just changing the requirements needed for a PC to get the Vista Premium sticker. WTF is the big deal? Are stickers so important to you guys? Do you guys need it to complete your sticker book collection or something?

ROFL..

There is also the reality that DX10 *mainstream* hardware is shipping *today*, not six months from today (from nVidia now for PCIe, and from ATI partner Sapphire Technology for, *gasp*, AGP 8x in little more than a month). I'm not talking about 8800GTS, but 8600GT and GTS from nVidia (and HD2600 Pro and XT from ATI and their partners). It was one thing when we were talking about high-end (easily dismissed as *niche*) hardware; however, now we're talking real mainstream sub-$200US hardware (some of it even for the AGP bus) that is Designed for DX10. What was a niche is now the mainstream (as is what usually happens in the GPU world), and by NYD 2008, DX10 could very well have moved into the value (low) end of the PC marketplace, Fusion or not.

Those of you trying to stall, you are Now On Notice: You are Running Out Of Excuses, Running Out Of Reasons, and Running Out Of Time.

Tantawi said,
That what I was thinking, what's the point of making DX10 exclusive to Vista then?


well ok then Mr. i know everything lets see you take the 4 year or more plunge in re-writing most of windows XPs Frame work just so you can have Directx 10 for windows XP. cause that is how long it take you take microsoft to do something that is not meant to be. How many Damn times does anyone including Microsoft have to say it Directx 10 is Vista only Why, Directx 10 is built in and around Vistas new APis new graphics Drive model new API driver models. Far Far Far different from the Older **** XP is run on. So it is not Simple Task and that is why Microsoft is not doing it, Now you may have 3rd party people trying to Simulate minor Dx10 stuff using a Software Wrapper but be realistic ( Aint Gonna go Well )

Tantawi said,
That what I was thinking, what's the point of making DX10 exclusive to Vista then?

They have to push the OS somehow.

Sounds a bit harsh, because Vista is used for much more than gaming.

Not that it'll be a problem for OEM's soon enough, because we'll pretty soon have an entire budget segment of cheap crappy DX10 cards. So it'll probably end up as identifying quite little which is a performance gaming computer or not. It's a fallacy to believe DX10 is related to performance. Expensive cards usually are though...

A serious Gamer goes for a hardcore system like a alienware pc or a dell XPS and i guess those will have Vista ultimate on them.

Heh i can run BF2 fine on 1GB DDR and Geforce fx5200 with vista home premium

"A serious Gamer goes for a hardcore system like a alienware pc or a dell XPS"

Or saves a lot of money compared to an Alienware and builds an own with similar h/w...

How many true gamers who would appreciate DX10, buy a machine because it displays the Vista premium sticker?

How anybody could think that a system with 1GB of RAM and Vista will play any game nicely with DirectX10 without having to rely on page file to store the bloat, is beyond me.

u will when u wanna play all the new fancy games later on that actually use the hardware properly
but oh well if u wanna live 6 years into the past with an old os please feel free to do so

DKAngel said,
u will when u wanna play all the new fancy games later on that actually use the hardware properly
but oh well if u wanna live 6 years into the past with an old os please feel free to do so

OpenGL 2.1 with DX10 extensions. Vista not required.

RuudJacobs.NET said,
As if any serious gamer will use vista...

By June 2008 you will be saying "as if any serious gamer will use xp...."

RuudJacobs.NET said,
As if any serious gamer will use vista...

I remember a lot of people saying that about Windows XP when it came out.

J400uk said,

By June 2008 you will be saying "as if any serious gamer will use xp...."

Please, it will be a good two years minimum before Vista gets it's flaws ironed out, drivers improve and games that make any sort of real use out of DX10 appear; until then XP is faster and has better support.

Slimy said,

Unless http://pc.ign.com/objects/694/694190.html comes out before that :D

Holy crap! An actual first-person shooter game?! I MUST have this! The concept alone is revolutionary!

Please. Nothing more than a glorified tech demo. Any gaming company with an iota of concern about their bottom line wouldn't be foolish enough to limit their game releases to DX10-only for years.

phantasmorph said,
Holy crap! An actual first-person shooter game?! I MUST have this! The concept alone is revolutionary!

Please. Nothing more than a glorified tech demo. Any gaming company with an iota of concern about their bottom line wouldn't be foolish enough to limit their game releases to DX10-only for years.


Now you're twisting the argument (and turning it into something it isn't).

The point was that there are games that will "utilise DX10" ... this does not mean the same as "restricted to DX10".

ANova said,

Please, it will be a good two years minimum before Vista gets it's flaws ironed out, drivers improve and games that make any sort of real use out of DX10 appear; until then XP is faster and has better support.


What Bugs oh oh wait you mean nvidia and ATI driver issues witch are not up to windows XP performance well that will be sooner and since that is a nvidia / ATI issue and not Microsoft i would say Vista is just fine. i run vista just fine on my system no freaking bugs and well gaming is just great and Evan in alot of my cases surpasses the same esperiance i had in XP. so dont Blame Microsoft for issue you are havening with your ATI or nvidia hardware. and oh XP mmmmm seems Microsoft is still ironing out XPs bugs and the only reason why that is well is umm let me thing Oh yea no Opterateing system is perfect. now this is nice little list of Directx 10 games ones in witch will be out this year or very early next year

# Alan Wake
# BioShock

# Crysis


# Flight Simulator X Patch
# Hellgate London

# ShadowRun

# Unreal Tournament 3

Now their is more but hey i think those titles alone specialy UT3 and Crysis and Bioshock and Alan wake and oh Hellgate london are good proof that it wont be 2 years before any Real Dx10 games are out, Crysis looks damn good as do the rest of those games . So maby you should think about gieving Vista 1 more try for more then 5 Minuets this time Maby this time try Weeks

(notuptome2004 said @ #1.8)


What Bugs oh oh wait you mean nvidia and ATI driver issues witch are not up to windows XP performance well that will be sooner and since that is a nvidia / ATI issue and not Microsoft i would say Vista is just fine. i run vista just fine on my system no freaking bugs and well gaming is just great and Evan in alot of my cases surpasses the same esperiance i had in XP. so dont Blame Microsoft for issue you are havening with your ATI or nvidia hardware. and oh XP mmmmm seems Microsoft is still ironing out XPs bugs and the only reason why that is well is umm let me thing Oh yea no Opterateing system is perfect. now this is nice little list of Directx 10 games ones in witch will be out this year or very early next year

# Alan Wake
# BioShock

# Crysis


# Flight Simulator X Patch
# Hellgate London

# ShadowRun

# Unreal Tournament 3

Now their is more but hey i think those titles alone specialy UT3 and Crysis and Bioshock and Alan wake and oh Hellgate london are good proof that it wont be 2 years before any Real Dx10 games are out, Crysis looks damn good as do the rest of those games . So maby you should think about gieving Vista 1 more try for more then 5 Minuets this time Maby this time try Weeks

Alan Wake? Isn't that supposed to be a Xbox game?
UT3? that's dX 9 as far as I know
Hellgate is dX9 as well.

notuptome2004 said,
What Bugs oh oh wait you mean nvidia and ATI driver issues witch are not up to windows XP performance well that will be sooner and since that is a nvidia / ATI issue and not Microsoft i would say Vista is just fine. i run vista just fine on my system no freaking bugs and well gaming is just great and Evan in alot of my cases surpasses the same esperiance i had in XP. so dont Blame Microsoft for issue you are havening with your ATI or nvidia hardware. and oh XP mmmmm seems Microsoft is still ironing out XPs bugs and the only reason why that is well is umm let me thing Oh yea no Opterateing system is perfect. now this is nice little list of Directx 10 games ones in witch will be out this year or very early next year

# Alan Wake
# BioShock

# Crysis


# Flight Simulator X Patch
# Hellgate London

# ShadowRun

# Unreal Tournament 3

Now their is more but hey i think those titles alone specialy UT3 and Crysis and Bioshock and Alan wake and oh Hellgate london are good proof that it wont be 2 years before any Real Dx10 games are out, Crysis looks damn good as do the rest of those games . So maby you should think about gieving Vista 1 more try for more then 5 Minuets this time Maby this time try Weeks

Didn't I mention drivers? Yes...yes I did. Just because you may not be experiencing problems that does not mean the os is bug free and that other people aren't. As far as XP, the vast vast majority of patches are security related and the os is as close to bug free as one can get, certainly much more so than Vista.

Now, you're "DX10" games. The only game in that list is Crysis and even then it will be primarily used for better performance, though Crytek will be giving the DX10 path a couple extra effects that would normally run too slow with DX9. The rest of those games are DX9 or are only getting basic DX10 support through a patch which is far from spectacular. Just because a game adds support for DX10 does not mean it will benefit the player in any way, shape or form. Please go research the differences between the two and come back when you actually know what you're talking about.