DroidDream virus hits 50+ apps on Android Marketplace

Following on from earlier problems, it seems that Android has been hit by another security issue. There are new reports of over 50 Android Marketplace applications containing malicious code. Although the apps have now been removed, over 200,000 people downloaded them. They were copies of already popular programs, such as games that had been repackaged to include the new code.

The suspect apps were discovered by Reddit user Lompolo who, after some investigation, found that the authors didn't match. He looked at a game which allowed users to play guitar on their handsets, and noticed that although the new version retained the same functionality of the original, it contained the virus code hidden within the application. Lompolo originally found 21 apps, but he was soon surpassed by Android Police who, after an in depth investigation, found a total of over 50.

Once a virus, named DroidDream, containing application is installed, the users sensitive data and IMEI is sent a remote server. The code also allows the author to install or remove anything from the target device. Google has yet to issue a formal statement but they claimed to have deleted three developer accounts used by the creator of the apps.

Google has a tool that can recall and uninstall rogue applications all Android devices, however there are no reports of the California company doing so.

"...this remote kill switch will not remove any other code that may have been dropped onto the device as a result of the initial infection," reported Trend Micro Senior Security Advisor Rik Ferguson. He went on to advise people not to remove the applications but to instead get consider getting a new handset or reinstalling the operating system.

A full list of the trojanised apps, published by Myournet, is:

  • Falling Down
  • Super Guitar Solo
  • Super History Eraser
  • Photo Editor
  • Super Ringtone Maker
  • Super Sex Positions
  • Hot Sexy Videos
  • Chess
  • 下坠滚球_Falldown
  • Hilton Sex Sound
  • Screaming Sexy Japanese Girls
  • Falling Ball Dodge
  • Scientific Calculator
  • Dice Roller
  • 躲避弹球
  • Advanced Currency Converter
  • App Uninstaller
  • 几何战机_PewPew
  • Funny Paint
  • Spider Man
  • 蜘蛛侠

For a full list click here.

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common sense says don't download rubbish apps on any device. same thing can happen on iphones/ipads/ipod touches through cydia or whatever too if you download willy nilly same as if you side load rubbish onto WP7. Most people aren't dumb enough to do that, those who get infected phones are just plain stupid like those who get infected downloading rubbish through the net on windows then wonder why they're infected.

Reload the OS if you suspect you may be infected, how simple is that? The XDA developers site is a great place for information.

The price of total freedom... Seriously though android phones are positioned to the general public (at least in the UK) as a cheaper alternative to iPhone (e.g. cheaper contract etc), and that's fine but I think google should consider at least some basic screening of applications, not for content but at least for issues such as this. Your average android user will trust anything listed in the marketplace (and rightly so, your average droid user is probably not very computer savvy) so safeguards really need to be included to prevent things like this from happening.
Yes, this could happen with iOS, but its FAR less likely because of the screening, same with WP7.

Hey Peeps,
Gingerbread has the patch covered. For all earlier versions look to the XDA forum for the patch. N1 2.3.3

Virus outbreaks is an inevitability on all platforms as none can ever make the claim that it is 100% secure. Hopefully this will prompt Google to screen the apps in their marketplace a little better.

The response from some android fans has been amusing. Gotta protect the "Mom", I suppose.

Shadrack said,
Virus outbreaks is an inevitability on all platforms as none can ever make the claim that it is 100% secure. Hopefully this will prompt Google to screen the apps in their marketplace a little better.

The response from some android fans has been amusing. Gotta protect the "Mom", I suppose.

I'm a realist. I understand that no platform will ever be 100% secure, and I don't need to be "protected" from viruses. I'd like to think I'm savvy enough about technology to look after myself. You can either lock an OS down so that it's frustratingly limited, or open it up... let it breathe.. and put up with the bad app(le)s that accompany the decent ones. It is inevitable.

I've grown up using a PC and viruses have never been a problem as I've exercised my common sense. The same rules should be applied to the smartphone. Maybe even more so, due to their popularity.

It was just a matter of time as something like this happened... but hey, I can customize the heck out of Android device...

Euphoria said,
It was just a matter of time as something like this happened... but hey, I can customize the heck out of Android device...

and I have Flash
and ...
oh wait, I HAD a bank account....
I am getting SPAM SMS and EMAILS...so are my friends that are coincidentally on my phones Contacts List
... But I have Freedom - God given FREEDOM on my phone. None of this tight gripped, mind controlling, closed arena, "you only have 100,000+ apps to choose from", David Koresh like control that CrApple has on all of these 'iSheep"...
Android=Life/Liberty/Truth/Happiness
iOS=idiots operating system/limited/lame/lacking/lousy

Right... you need to go and see someone for that anger...
Considering Androids fragmentation and its unregulated application system, it was just a matter of time before someone submitted a Virus. I wonder what will happen next....

Over and over again you here from places "dont buy android devices" this is another possibility yes they can steal info from the people who installed the apps,but maybe the person,people or company that did this isnt trying to steal information.Maybe just maybe they are trying to steal marketshare.Just a thought.

There are few problem with this one:
- Most (or even all) mentioned applications are stolen, not genuine
- Fault lies on people who install whatever-bullsht software (also applies to any other market like pc), but yeah, world is full of idiots
- Fault lies on security hole which was patched but not fixed by operators/phone developers (Google fixed it in 2.3)

So instead of bragging like idiotic troll about how bad Android is, go blame stupid people and laziness of operators/developers.

Thats the point with open platforms, it requires the user to have sense and control what they do, and by therefore limit their own actions on the device in case of malware. I'd rather have controlled OS over fear of my personal data being stolen on my smartphone.

Pablo2008jedi said,
T(..)e.
The open-ess comes with advantages & disadvantages, but even iPhone is not safe, there was once page which was jailbreaking it, now how hard would it be to install malware after doing so? The point is, the weakest link is not OPEN code but laziness and stupidity. While stupidity of some people cannot be helped but laziness of operators/developers is an outrage and ANYONE should clearly complain to their phone operators ASAP. It is neither Google fault nor Android, it was patched some time ago and even worse the exploit was known ages ago (when Froyo came out or even before). Anyway I consider myself smart enough do deal with that and if it happens that I will be affected I am smart enough to blame only myself (in that case) but I definitely prefer open software, freedom in use and not-treating me like an idiot, which Apple does with all his customers

SHADOW-XIII said,
There are few problem with this one:
- Most (or even all) mentioned applications are stolen, not genuine
- Fault lies on people who install whatever-bullsht software (also applies to any other market like pc), but yeah, world is full of idiots
- Fault lies on security hole which was patched but not fixed by operators/phone developers (Google fixed it in 2.3)

So instead of bragging like idiotic troll about how bad Android is, go blame stupid people and laziness of operators/developers.

This all comes back badly on Google though.
- If all the applications where obviously stolen and made it back on the store, Google is failing to protect the legit app owners.
- Fault does technically lie with the people who installed the apps, but it also means Google is failing to protect the more common consumer that doesn't know any better. At the very least Google needs to implement a sort of "Google Certified App" system so people know that any given app is safe.
- In order to get 2.3 you have to know how to install it on the phone. right now the most "up to date" AT&T phone is running 2.1. The next "up to date" phone is going to be on 2.2. Google may have fixed it for 2.3 users, but the majority of the market will be vulnerable to the issue for at least 2 more years when they buy their 2.2 phone on a contract. 2 friends of mine are running 1.9 right now because they bought there phones brand new a year ago and can't afford 200+ for a brand new phone with something more up to date.

ILikeTobacco said,
This all comes back badly on Google though.(..)
true, while anyone is failing to notice it took Google 5 MINUTES from the original reporting to take down the app following taking down whole account. Now, that's something if you ask me!

I understand the point with multiple versions of Android, same was Symbian but this is the problem for those who develop/sell those phones to provide fixes of security holes, in case of very old systems one have to relay on community like with anything else in IT world.

"Google Certified App" is a good idea but I do not think it will pull out, what I see is Google should be installing some kind of anti-viral software on market submission form not only alerting them when a virus is being uploaded but also check behavior of code/classes/etc (for example alert them in case code is scrambled or doing something odd than normal), no idea how they will come out with this but the only solution I see is signing app online instead of locally - therefore Google can scan code and sign the apk for market from the website.

The problem with all of that is Android users preached their gospel to the commoners who flocked out and bought their 2 for 1 Droids at Verizon.

SHADOW-XIII said,
true, while anyone is failing to notice it took Google 5 MINUTES from the original reporting to take down the app following taking down whole account. Now, that's something if you ask me!

I understand the point with multiple versions of Android, same was Symbian but this is the problem for those who develop/sell those phones to provide fixes of security holes, in case of very old systems one have to relay on community like with anything else in IT world.

"Google Certified App" is a good idea but I do not think it will pull out, what I see is Google should be installing some kind of anti-viral software on market submission form not only alerting them when a virus is being uploaded but also check behavior of code/classes/etc (for example alert them in case code is scrambled or doing something odd than normal), no idea how they will come out with this but the only solution I see is signing app online instead of locally - therefore Google can scan code and sign the apk for market from the website.

the 5 minutes thing is impressive but that only happened because they became aware of it at all and it took someone else to notice it. they need something to prevent it from even hitting the store which unsuspecting users will get it.

SHADOW-XIII said,
true, while anyone is failing to notice it took Google 5 MINUTES from the original reporting to take down the app following taking down whole account. Now, that's something if you ask me!

no, it actually took one week after the first report by one of the developers whose work was stolen by the hacker repackaging the app with a malware:

I noticed the rogue app a bit more than a week ago (I was receiving crash reports sent from the pirated version of the app). I notified Google about this through all the channels I could think of: DMCA notice, malicious app reporting, Android Market Help...they have yet to respond. Thankfully this was posted on Reddit, since after the post the rogue dev and all his apps have been removed from the market. There really should be a faster/easier way to get Google to act on it!

UPDATE: After yesterday's media coverage, Google finally contacted me and apologized for the delayed response.


http://www.reddit.com/r/Androi..._21_popular_free_apps_from/

so, it looks like google only acts when things are posted publicly on news sites. They don't care about security if you try to contact them directly. You need to publicly post the issue.

link8506 said,

no, it actually took one week after the first report by one of the developers whose work was stolen by the hacker repackaging the app with a malware:


http://www.reddit.com/r/Androi..._21_popular_free_apps_from/

so, it looks like google only acts when things are posted publicly on news sites. They don't care about security if you try to contact them directly. You need to publicly post the issue.

Ouch. Good find. I had always assumed that apps were at least glanced upon in the Android Marketplace. Otherwise, what's the point?

SHADOW-XIII said,
There are few problem with this one:
- Most (or even all) mentioned applications are stolen, not genuine
- Fault lies on people who install whatever-bullsht software (also applies to any other market like pc), but yeah, world is full of idiots

While some of those apps are certainly questionable just from the name, several of them are things that many average people would likely download and install: Photo Editor, Chess, Advanced Currency Converter and Scientific Calculator. How is the average person supposed to know that any of those are not legit?

you forgot to mention the most important:
this malware uses a privilege escalation flaw to get root privileges on android devices running a version lower than 2.2.2 (that is, most android handset currently on the market!)

http://www.reddit.com/r/Androi..._21_popular_free_apps_from/

once the malware has root privileges, it can do anything on you device, including flashing the rom. Android antiviruses are unable to detect it or remove it since antiviruses are standard applications running within the android sandbox, and they can't remote a malware running as root.

finally, for the first time a linux distro has gained enough market share to interest malicious developers, and prove that linux based systems are vulnerable to the same kind of malware as any other OS, especially when users are running without security updates (like most windows users).

link8506 said,
you forgot to mention the most important:
this malware uses a privilege escalation flaw to get root privileges on android devices running a version lower than 2.2.2 (that is, most android handset currently on the market!)

Pretty much all of XDA is safe then.

Pablo2008jedi said,
The reason I won't buy an Android device.....

There are these really safe phones out now, they plug into the wall at your house and have very solid, non-reflashable firmware.

Soulsiphon said,

There are these really safe phones out now, they plug into the wall at your house and have very solid, non-reflashable firmware.

Just like the idea of safe sex, safer on your own.

funny this was announced yesterday on a few other web pages . no shocked thou that its late to neowin since it is android news

This proves the market share theory that the OSS fanatics and iSheep so desperately try to deny when it comes to Windows. Higher marketshare = More malware.

floopy said,
This proves the market share theory that the OSS fanatics and iSheep so desperately try to deny when it comes to Windows. Higher marketshare = More malware.

they dont deny that? they say because OSX has less of a market share, they get less malware since its not as effective as infecting windows machines.

ILikeTobacco said,

they dont deny that? they say because OSX has less of a market share, they get less malware since its not as effective as infecting windows machines.

Because more corporations and personal users use no Mac products. And because of this, more sensitive data are on non Mac equipment. So its common sense that if anyone wants to steal info to target Windows based systems.

Every year they hold a contest between Linux, OSX, and windows. And every year OSX is hacked first, followed by Windows, and then I believe Linux is still undefeated.

techbeck said,

Because more corporations and personal users use no Mac products. And because of this, more sensitive data are on non Mac equipment. So its common sense that if anyone wants to steal info to target Windows based systems.

Every year they hold a contest between Linux, OSX, and windows. And every year OSX is hacked first, followed by Windows, and then I believe Linux is still undefeated.

techbeck your not allowed to agree with me. we are arch enemies remember. read what floopy wrote. he is saying that osx users say windows get less viruses because they have more market share when the exact opposite is true of what osx users say.

I'm looking at that and I'll be quite honest, if you've downloaded any of the 'apps' in that list, your droid device should be slapped out of your hand and taken away. 几何战机_PewPew? Really?

Soulsiphon said,
I'm looking at that and I'll be quite honest, if you've downloaded any of the 'apps' in that list, your droid device should be slapped out of your hand and taken away. 几何战机_PewPew? Really?

You beat me to it. Your FOF if you installed any of those apps.

Soulsiphon said,
I'm looking at that and I'll be quite honest, if you've downloaded any of the 'apps' in that list, your droid device should be slapped out of your hand and taken away. 几何战机_PewPew? Really?

look just because you dont like lasers doesnt mean the app isnt as legit as Screaming Sexy Japanese Girls

Mikee4fun said,

You beat me to it. Your FOF if you installed any of those apps.

This +1!

Chess, Photo Editor, and Scientific Calculator sound like obvious malware. Only and idiot would expect to play Chess on a smartphone without having their data compromised. Don't even get me started about the droolers that would have use for a Scientific Calculator application.

Soulsiphon said,
I'm looking at that and I'll be quite honest, if you've downloaded any of the 'apps' in that list, your droid device should be slapped out of your hand and taken away. 几何战机_PewPew? Really?

I'm not sure what the boxes and underscore are from, but I can obviously tell you have no idea what PewPew is. Despite it's funny sounding name, it's a game similar to Geometry Wars. I actually did have it on my phone at one point.

losershawn said,

https://market.android.com/details?id=com.jyaif.pewpew

That's PewPew. Which is not the same as 几何战机_PewPew.

Was it something different? I figured the boxes were just something that got lost in the process of someone copying and pasting the article from one site to another.

Edit: Oh, I see now, it was someone who copied the game and added a virus and sent it back to the market.

bladebarrier said,

This +1!

Chess, Photo Editor, and Scientific Calculator sound like obvious malware. Only and idiot would expect to play Chess on a smartphone without having their data compromised. Don't even get me started about the droolers that would have use for a Scientific Calculator application.


Thats on PC. On Android, those are perfectly normal standard names.

Teebor said,
So from the looks of it they can clone your IMEI number if I understand correctly?

with this they only get your IMEI number, they don't actually clone it. its a data harvesting virus mostly. Nothing is stopping them from cloning it after wards though with some other tool

someone correct me if im wrong but is cloning the IMEI number the equivalent of identity theft in the mobile phone world.

ILikeTobacco said,

with this they only get your IMEI number, they don't actually clone it. its a data harvesting virus mostly. Nothing is stopping them from cloning it after wards though with some other tool

Thanks for clarifying, I meant once they have the IMEI they could clone it. I just wrote it down wrong

Was thinking of getting an Android handset (HTC Thunderbolt) but think now I'll either go with WinMo7 or iOS.

Soulsiphon said,
good idea. Simple is better for some people.

Simple has nothing to do with. Safe has a lot to do with it.
Between this and the text messaging blunder that Google wouldn't fix until there was so much pressure put on them that they basically had to, it's really changed my mind.
Android seems to have a lot of growing up to do and Google along with it.

Hackersoft MS MVP said,

Simple has nothing to do with. Safe has a lot to do with it.
Between this and the text messaging blunder that Google wouldn't fix until there was so much pressure put on them that they basically had to, it's really changed my mind.
Android seems to have a lot of growing up to do and Google along with it.

If you want "safe", get a blackberry.

Lucas said,
Ouch, glad I switched to iOS from Android.

Ouch, I'm glad I have a phone I can flash roms on and know how to properly secure it.

Soulsiphon said,

Ouch, I'm glad I have a phone I can flash roms on and know how to properly secure it.

Huh? I'm glad you can geek out on your phone too, I suppose.

Lucas said,
Ouch, glad I switched to iOS from Android.

ahhh damn i literally got rid of my iphone 4 for samsung galaxy s love the phone but so dissapointed with android, granted i love you can do more with it but the quality of apps compared to IOS is appalling wont be making that mistake again....bring on the ipad 2 and galaxy s 2

Soulsiphon said,

Ouch, I'm glad I have a phone I can flash roms on and know how to properly secure it.

What does that have to do with anything? I don't get your point. And how do you properly secure a phone?

Lucas said,

What does that have to do with anything? I don't get your point. And how do you properly secure a phone?

Wow bro, Google ftw. Here's my pro-tip for you: don't download malware? There are antivirus, anti-phone jacking, agps/gps location w/anti-theft.

Seriously, I'm not here to do your job for you or were you just spoiling for a fight by playing an idiot?

tomtom404 said,

ahhh damn i literally got rid of my iphone 4 for samsung galaxy s love the phone but so dissapointed with android, granted i love you can do more with it but the quality of apps compared to IOS is appalling wont be making that mistake again....bring on the ipad 2 and galaxy s 2

Ehh, don't blame Android for Samsung's crappy software. If you don't mind flashing unofficial firmwares on your phone, Cyanogenmod 7 is close to ready for the SGS phones. I'm running CM7 on my Captivate and it's wonderful. It's like a whole different phone. Plus it's Android 2.3.3.

As for the apps, there are a lot of crappy apps out there, but there are on iOS as well. I've been pretty pleased with most of the apps I've used, but sometimes the polish isn't there like iOS. Sometimes it's just hard to find the best apps.

Soulsiphon said,

Wow bro, Google ftw. Here's my pro-tip for you: don't download malware? There are antivirus, anti-phone jacking, agps/gps location w/anti-theft.

Seriously, I'm not here to do your job for you or were you just spoiling for a fight by playing an idiot?

This post just made me lol. By the way, my questions where rhetorical questions.

"He went on to advise people not to remove the applications but to instead get consider getting a new handset or reinstalling the operating system."

the options are void your warranty (which means you need insurance or have no protection)or buy a new phone. either option puts you out over $100 since youd be buying a phone out of contract more than likely. how is this an acceptable solution...

Soulsiphon said,
or you head to xda and flash back your stock/OTA carrier rom. I like my option better.

which still voids your warranty. if anything goes wrong during that your screwed. also your option assumes the person infected knows how to flash regardless so really that isnt even an option to the majority of android users. for the average cellphone user, the "professional" is telling them to go buy a new phone for something that shouldn't have happened in the first place. that code should have never been allowed in the market place for average users to get screwed with. google should be held responsible and be forced to pay for replacements for those people.

ILikeTobacco said,

which still voids your warranty.

Please tell me how it voids the warranty if it flashes back to STOCK. STOCK is the ORIGINAL ROM and no way for anyone to tell that you messed with it.

ILikeTobacco said,
"He went on to advise people not to remove the applications but to instead get consider getting a new handset or reinstalling the operating system."

the options are void your warranty (which means you need insurance or have no protection)or buy a new phone. either option puts you out over $100 since youd be buying a phone out of contract more than likely. how is this an acceptable solution...

It doesn't void your warranty to reinstall the OS, as long as it's the stock carrier and manufacturer approved OS. And in reality, you don't need to reinstall anything, just do a factory reset like TechieXP said below.

techbeck said,

Please tell me how it voids the warranty if it flashes back to STOCK. STOCK is the ORIGINAL ROM and no way for anyone to tell that you messed with it.

Exactly. As a matter of fact, flashing back T-Mobiles stock G2 droid, actually removes root access as a side benefit. Broken display? recovery image on the root of your sd, boot recovery, wait for recovery to be parsed, volume up to confirm. XDA can help people and honestly people reading here probably arleady know about XDA devs anyway.

techbeck said,

Please tell me how it voids the warranty if it flashes back to STOCK. STOCK is the ORIGINAL ROM and no way for anyone to tell that you messed with it.

you have obviously never read your warranty terms. if the flash screws up you have no warranty if your really unlucky at that point, no insurance. you are 100% out of a phone and now get to buy one out of contract.

ILikeTobacco said,

you have obviously never read your warranty terms. if the flash screws up you have no warranty if your really unlucky at that point, no insurance. you are 100% out of a phone and now get to buy one out of contract.

And you obviously dont know much about Android phones. Even bricked phones can be recovered. Besides, I have sent a rooted phone in for repair a few times. Was returned, fixed, no questions asked. No to mention if you render your phone unbootable so it wont turn on, then they cannot see anything that you do. So there is ways around it

ILikeTobacco said,

you have obviously never read your warranty terms. if the flash screws up you have no warranty if your really unlucky at that point, no insurance. you are 100% out of a phone and now get to buy one out of contract.

If 'if's' and 'but's' were candy and nuts, everyday would be Christmas.

bladebarrier said,

They can flash it for you right at the store. It takes like 5 minutes.

Which means if they mess it up they are responsible for it and you don't pay a dime. Regardless of all that, it still voids your warranty and now its even on record that you've been in a store and had it flashed so you have can't even deny it was flashed.
Techbeck... get over your god complex of knowing everything and think about what you just said. You have now made the options, void your warranty and buy insurance, buy a new phone, or be a criminal. Stop ignoring the facts of a professional telling the average user to go and either void their warranty or by a new phone.

ILikeTobacco said,

Techbeck... get over your god complex of knowing everything and think about what you just said.

Nope, never said I was a god or knew everything or even implied it. Just pointing out the errors in your thinking with all your "what if" comments. So think before you speak since what you have said isnt that big of a deal and there are many ways around it. People who ROOT are smart enough to know how to flash back and unroot. If not, head over to XDA and there are TONS of people ready and willing to help you out.

And got to love ODIN. Makes it easy to fix a bricked phone...at least one of the ways to.

techbeck said,

Nope, never said I was a god or knew everything or even implied it. Just pointing out the errors in your thinking with all your "what if" comments. So think before you speak since what you have said isnt that big of a deal and there are many ways around it. People who ROOT are smart enough to know how to flash back and unroot. If not, head over to XDA and there are TONS of people ready and willing to help you out.

And got to love ODIN. Makes it easy to fix a bricked phone...at least one of the ways to.

Which helps the average consumer out in exactly 0 ways. If you were not around and your grandmother managed to brick her phone or got this virus, the only option she has is buying a new phone according to the professional. You are still ignoring the the average consumer doesn't know about rooting let alone would be capable of doing it if they did.

bladebarrier said,

Where do you come up with this nonsense? Go play Angry Birds and drool on your iPhone.


Can't. My iPhone only has Android 1.9 on it at the moment. Couldn't get 2.2 stable yet and Angry Birds won't install on 1.9

ILikeTobacco said,

Which helps the average consumer out in exactly 0 ways. If you were not around and your grandmother managed to brick her phone or got this virus, the only option she has is buying a new phone according to the professional. You are still ignoring the the average consumer doesn't know about rooting let alone would be capable of doing it if they did.

If my gma had a android phone she wouldnt root or even know what it was. So if she gets this virus and it screws up the phone...then she will get a replacement no questions asked. The average user doesnt do many things with their phones/computers or other equipment.

techbeck said,

If my gma had a android phone she wouldnt root or even know what it was. So if she gets this virus and it screws up the phone...then she will get a replacement no questions asked. The average user doesnt do many things with their phones/computers or other equipment.


"He went on to advise people not to remove the applications but to instead get consider getting a new handset or reinstalling the operating system."
Except according to this article, she is being told to go buy a new phone or install a new operating system. If you walk into a store they are very clear about telling you that flashing your phone voids the warranty and you now need insurance. It's one of the best marketing gimmicks there has been in a while. If a customer walks into your store saying I want a new phone or i want to void my warranty and will need insurance, the people at that store are not going to argue with that because they get paid min wage plus commission for selling. This professional is setting people up to get screwed over by carriers which is the whole point of my original post.

ILikeTobacco said,

"He went on to advise people not to remove the applications but to instead get consider getting a new handset or reinstalling the operating system."

So getting a new handset means that the company wont replace the phone if an app bricked it? And is he telling people to root the phone or go in the store/send it back to have the OS reinstalled? He said nothing about the consumer doing this themselves

And do you realize how easy it is to get a new handset? I can call right now and tell them my phone randomly turns off and the problem is not consistent. They will send me a new phone. My speaker went out in a rooted phone I had. I sent it back, still rooted and still bootable...and I got a new phone.

techbeck said,

So getting a new handset means that the company wont replace the phone if an app bricked it? And is he telling people to root the phone or go in the store/send it back to have the OS reinstalled? He said nothing about the consumer doing this themselves

And do you realize how easy it is to get a new handset? I can call right now and tell them my phone randomly turns off and the problem is not consistent. They will send me a new phone. My speaker went out in a rooted phone I had. I sent it back, still rooted and still bootable...and I got a new phone.


Glad you have a carrier that does no evil and is perfect but where I live the only carrier with decent 3G coverage is AT&T and we all know how they operate.

ILikeTobacco said,

Glad you have a carrier that does no evil and is perfect but where I live the only carrier with decent 3G coverage is AT&T and we all know how they operate.

True, but there are many ways around getting your phone replaced under warranty. I even left my battery out in the hot Arizona sun and let it melt a little. Put it back in my phone and said the battery was having issues and messed up my phone. Just got to think outside of the box.

ILikeTobacco: You can keep saying it, but it won't make it any more true.

Flashing stock won't void your warranty. I would even be willing to walk into the AT&T store IF my flash to stock failed and bricked my phone, and tell them "I had a virus and was reflashing the stock software and it failed", and I have no doubt for a second they would take it back if it was under warranty still. If flashing the firmware voided the warranty, everyone would have a void warranty as soon as an update came out. That's flashing an approved firmware, exactly the same way.

BUT, you STILL don't have to do that, since all you have to do is a factory reset which doesn't involve flashing anything. In fact, if you went to the store and told them you had a virus, that's exactly what they would do for you.

The "professional" (as you put it) is wrong, as many before him have been. You aren't screwed because of Google's fault. So please give it a rest already.

Edited by AJerman, Mar 3 2011, 6:22pm :

ILikeTobacco said,

you have obviously never read your warranty terms. if the flash screws up you have no warranty if your really unlucky at that point, no insurance. you are 100% out of a phone and now get to buy one out of contract.

Flashing the official RUU (in the case of HTC phones) provided by your carrier WILL NOT void your warranty. I'm not sure where you got that insane idea, but you are 100% WRONG. Now stop repeating that nonsense.

roadwarrior said,

Flashing the official RUU (in the case of HTC phones) provided by your carrier WILL NOT void your warranty. I'm not sure where you got that insane idea, but you are 100% WRONG. Now stop repeating that nonsense.

insane idea? another person who hasnt read there warranty terms. are you a "certified" technician for your carrier? they are the only ones allowed to flash your phone without it voided your warranty. seriously. read the warranties people. it cant be any simpler than that.

ILikeTobacco said,

insane idea? another person who hasnt read there warranty terms. are you a "certified" technician for your carrier? they are the only ones allowed to flash your phone without it voided your warranty. seriously. read the warranties people. it cant be any simpler than that.

http://www.wireless.att.com/an...F-8&solutionId=KB115829

Instructions from AT&T on how to flash your firmware to update, given for example.

In your world, flashing official firmware can void your warranty, but for all the rest of us living in this world, flashing official firmwares will not void your firmware.

Betaz said,

http://www.wireless.att.com/an...F-8&solutionId=KB115829

Instructions from AT&T on how to flash your firmware to update, given for example.

In your world, flashing official firmware can void your warranty, but for all the rest of us living in this world, flashing official firmwares will not void your firmware.

In case your new to the tech world, the carriers are not responsible for a manufactures warranty. If you follow those instructions word for word, but something goes wrong, lets say the battery died, you have voided your warranty and Samsung will not take the phone back unless you find a way to "trick" them as techbeck has pointed out. The only hope for you is that you have insurance with your carrier which loops all the way back to something that was said hours ago, carriers want you to void your warranties so they can make money off your insurance plan.

ILikeTobacco said,

insane idea? another person who hasnt read there warranty terms. are you a "certified" technician for your carrier? they are the only ones allowed to flash your phone without it voided your warranty. seriously. read the warranties people. it cant be any simpler than that.

Just go get a Symbian and stfu.

ILikeTobacco said,

In case your new to the tech world, the carriers are not responsible for a manufactures warranty. If you follow those instructions word for word, but something goes wrong, lets say the battery died, you have voided your warranty and Samsung will not take the phone back unless you find a way to "trick" them as techbeck has pointed out. The only hope for you is that you have insurance with your carrier which loops all the way back to something that was said hours ago, carriers want you to void your warranties so they can make money off your insurance plan.

Instructions from Samsung on how to update the same phone: http://ars.samsung.com/custome...ROD_ID=558&AT_ID=368733

By the way, I choose that phone because that's the phone I have. Also, here is the exact warranty information included with the phone: http://www.samsung.com/us/supp...T&prd_mdl_name=SGH-I897

No where does it say anything about flashing firmware, just modifying the software (such as using an unofficial ROM). Flashing the firmware on your phone isn't modifying, it's installing.

If you still think otherwise, instead of telling people they haven't read their warranty, why don't YOU show something from a warranty that supports your claim.

ILikeTobacco said,

Can't. My iPhone only has Android 1.9 on it at the moment. Couldn't get 2.2 stable yet and Angry Birds won't install on 1.9

1.9? Pretty sure it went from 1.5, to 1.6, to 2.0/2.1. Correct me and provide a source if I'm mistaken.

Also when I had a ****ing Zio that ran 1.6 I was still able to install Angry Birds on it.

Quod erat demonstrandum: You have no idea what you're talking about.

Betaz said,
By the way, I choose that phone because that's the phone I have. Also, here is the exact warranty information included with the phone: http://www.samsung.com/us/supp...T&prd_mdl_name=SGH-I897

No where does it say anything about flashing firmware, just modifying the software (such as using an unofficial ROM). Flashing the firmware on your phone isn't modifying, it's installing.

If you still think otherwise, instead of telling people they haven't read their warranty, why don't YOU show something from a warranty that supports your claim.

(h)
defects or damage caused by cellular signal reception or transmission, or viruses or other
software problems introduced into the Product;

skipped that line? the last part of that is pretty specific about when something goes wrong with the software. if you flash your phone and something goes wrong, no warranty. your the one who did the flash. your the one that introduced the software problem. your the one responsible with no warranty now.

ILikeTobacco said,

(h)
defects or damage caused by cellular signal reception or transmission, or viruses or other
software problems introduced into the Product;

skipped that line? the last part of that is pretty specific about when something goes wrong with the software. if you flash your phone and something goes wrong, no warranty. your the one who did the flash. your the one that introduced the software problem. your the one responsible with no warranty now.


"Other software problems" is not a stock ROM given by the OEM which you flashed.

LHoT said,

1.9? Pretty sure it went from 1.5, to 1.6, to 2.0/2.1. Correct me and provide a source if I'm mistaken.

Also when I had a ****ing Zio that ran 1.6 I was still able to install Angry Birds on it.

Quod erat demonstrandum: You have no idea what you're talking about.

1.9 was a reverse made by manufactures. random example that google brings up in the entire 1.2 seconds it took to search for it.

http://www.everbuying.com/product32889.html?SSAID=314743
Seriously don't post trying to prove someone wrong if your to lazy to check your own "facts"

superbeam said,

"Other software problems" is not a stock ROM given by the OEM which you flashed.

If the person are in the middle of flashing to a stock rom when your battery dies and your phone bricks, the problem was introduced by the person being an idiot and not checking battery life or plugging in before flashing. At that point, the software problem was a result of the users actions and therefore, not warranty.
If you are going to come in at the tail end of the convo, do everyone a favor and read what has already been said.

ILikeTobacco said,

1.9 was a reverse made by manufactures. random example that google brings up in the entire 1.2 seconds it took to search for it.

http://www.everbuying.com/product32889.html?SSAID=314743
Seriously don't post trying to prove someone wrong if your to lazy to check your own "facts"

The only thing I can find in relation to Android 1.9 is on off-beat Chinese websites. No information from any reliable sources (Google, larger named manufacturers, etc). Beyond that, it seems to just be a slightly themed 1.6. You should really do your research too before you go off calling others ignorant. Especially when I said, "Correct me if I'm wrong."

Beyond that the amount of time you've spent arguing on here is kind of ridiculous. At least you helped me kill a slow afternoon at work reading your posts. Thanks man.

LHoT said,
The only thing I can find in relation to Android 1.9 is on off-beat Chinese websites.

You are the one that said it doesn't exist and I point you to a link that took all of a few seconds for google to find. You obviously didnt google it at all which means my statement still holds, check you facts before claiming someone else doesn't know what tehy are talking about.

ILikeTobacco said,

insane idea? another person who hasnt read there warranty terms. are you a "certified" technician for your carrier? they are the only ones allowed to flash your phone without it voided your warranty. seriously. read the warranties people. it cant be any simpler than that.

If flashing your phone with a stock ROM was something that only "certified technicians" were supposed to do without voiding their warranty, why would carriers post the instructions right there on their web site and encourage users to do it???

Some examples:
http://www.uscellular.com/android/software.html
http://www.cellularsouth.com/D...apps/newphone.jsp?id=210004#
http://www.wireless.att.com/an...Tab&solutionId=KB115517


I think your love of tobacco has fried your brain.

Is there no screening process for apps in the Android Marketplace? I would suspect this kind of funny business from side-loading an app or using some shady marketplace, but the fact that these were on the primary Android Marketplace is...disturbing...

Shadrack said,
Is there no screening process for apps in the Android Marketplace? I would suspect this kind of funny business from side-loading an app or using some shady marketplace, but the fact that these were on the primary Android Marketplace is...disturbing...

No, this is supposedly what's so good about Android - the freedom.

Northgrove said,

No, this is supposedly what's so good about Android - the freedom.

Wait I thought the "good" thing was you had full freedom to do whatever on your device, not 3rd parties like in this case. Didn't realize getting your private info stolen was a feature. Haven't see that on any ads. /s

Northgrove said,

No, this is supposedly what's so good about Android - the freedom.

So app developers are free to hijack your handset if you are dumb enough to install their software off of THE OFFICIAL Google backed Android marketplace? What a joke.

I'm not saying there needs to be a screening process to the level of Apple... but, idk...like some sort of virus or malicious code detection before making an app available on the official marketplace isn't asking for much. The fact that Google isn't putting much human resources into this is a detriment to the users.

Northgrove said,

No, this is supposedly what's so good about Android - the freedom.

It is great and apparently makes it quite favorable over a locked-down proprietary OS like iOS for millions of smartphone users. With freedom also comes responsibility to not be an idiot and download absolute crap from public sources.

Soulsiphon said,

With freedom also comes responsibility to not be an idiot and download absolute crap from public sources.

Public sources like the official Google Android app store? lol

Hackersoft MS MVP said,

Public sources like the official Google Android app store? lol

Yes, thats just one of them. Btw smart guy, you are very clearly warned what that pewpew game wants access to on your device when you install it. As a matter of fact - on droid you need to pass 2 confirmations. But if being careful about what you download from public sources, google market included, is just too much to handle - then really stay away from PC's and smartphones.

Soulsiphon said,

Yes, thats just one of them. Btw smart guy, you are very clearly warned what that pewpew game wants access to on your device when you install it. As a matter of fact - on droid you need to pass 2 confirmations. But if being careful about what you download from public sources, google market included, is just too much to handle - then really stay away from PC's and smartphones.

Stay away from PCs??
So what you are saying is basically don't download anything, even from official stores like Googles. Just program everything yourself. Yeah, that'll work lmao.
This is a big black eye for "do no evil" Google. They need to start doing what MSFT and Apple do and start reviewing apps before they are allowed on the storefront.

Hackersoft MS MVP said,

Stay away from PCs??
So what you are saying is basically don't download anything, even from official stores like Googles. Just program everything yourself. Yeah, that'll work lmao.
This is a big black eye for "do no evil" Google. They need to start doing what MSFT and Apple do and start reviewing apps before they are allowed on the storefront.

Also don't go to Walmart or Gamestop to buy games. Those are public sources and tehre is no way of knowing if the Black Ops game you are buying has a trojan or not.

PHausjell said,

List added

thanks so much i will check all 5 of my family's android phones and even if not affected they are all joining me and getting windows phones !!!!! THIS IS TOO SCARY!!!!

mamacita42 said,

thanks so much i will check all 5 of my family's android phones and even if not affected they are all joining me and getting windows phones !!!!! THIS IS TOO SCARY!!!!

If your too stupid to check for the authorisation you give each app you install you deserve to give them their IEMI

mamacita42 said,

thanks so much i will check all 5 of my family's android phones and even if not affected they are all joining me and getting windows phones !!!!! THIS IS TOO SCARY!!!!

Good go Win 7. Those of us who know how to use technology will stick to what we have

techbeck said,

Good go Win 7. Those of us who know how to use technology will stick to what we have

lmao What a silly comment.
I think he/she knows how to use technology. They posted here after all.

NesTle said,

If your too stupid to check for the authorisation you give each app you install you deserve to give them their IEMI

FYI there is nothing stupid about me at all you forget there are 18 and under or shall I say 10 and 12 year olds who have access to Android Market and being there is no way to childproof apps or ads you have to constantly check your kids devices as I am DAMN SMART ENOUCH to do! Unfortunately you can't catch everything all the time and one wrong download could lead to this STUPID MALWARE CHAOS. So before you go name calling why dont you be SMART ENOUGH to make sure you know what someone is talking about!!!!

techbeck said,

Good go Win 7. Those of us who know how to use technology will stick to what we have

Thank God we have choices as to whats good for us!!!

NesTle said,

If your too stupid to check for the authorisation you give each app you install you deserve to give them their IEMI

Sorry, but you are too stupid. The Trojan disable authorization, doesn't run in a sandbox as all other apps, and downloads more trojans stealthy.

alexalex said,

Sorry, but you are too stupid. The Trojan disable authorization, doesn't run in a sandbox as all other apps, and downloads more trojans stealthy.

Authorization is required on installation of all these applications beforehand, what is done after is the issue.

Hackersoft MS MVP said,

lmao What a silly comment.
I think he/she knows how to use technology. They posted here after all.

Seriously, every ******* idiot can post here. This is the internet after all.

techbeck said,

Good go Win 7. Those of us who know how to use technology will stick to what we have

...and those that 'understand' technology will choose WP7 for its technical features that are not possible on Android.

Some people get the difference between object 'based' and object 'oriented' and some people get the concept of a light and fast kernel and driver model and some people get the advantages of the .NET VM over the Android VM.

There is a reason that WP7 running on the same hardware as Android shows anywhere between 5 to 20 times the speed in applications, and GPU gaming performance.

This is where people that understand technology do not like Google picking up a few technologies and poorly slapping them together with the word 'open' that means nothing as they control the versions and ecosystem.

There is a reason that WinCE's kernel was designed and how it was designed to NOT have the overhead of a heavier OS kernel model like Linux... This is why WP7 is faster with the same chipset for CPU and GPU performance even using a generic Linux in Qualcomm's own internal testing.

But that is people that 'understand' technology instead of people that think they 'know' technology, so good luck with your admitted ignorance and continual path to 'ignore' anything outside of your 'understanding'.