Eric Schmidt snubs Microsoft as not being innovative

The former CEO of Google, Eric Schmidt has reportedly made a comment at this week's D9 conference in California by stating that Microsoft is not in the 'gang of four' high tech companies leading innovation in the industry. Interestingly, Schmidt claimed those being the big four were Amazon, Apple, Facebook and Google.

The comments come as all four companies, in his view, have shown interesting ideas that have managed to take them through to implementation. In his words, he counts Amazon for being the world's largest bookseller, Apple as designing attractive products that consumers buy, Facebook who are able to link a person's friends together in one place, and Google for organizing the world's information on the internet.

Paul Thurrott wrote though that Schmidt also believed there were a few up and coming companies that could boost themselves into the top tier of innovative companies in his view. Companies such as eBay and Twitter as well as PayPal were those that he mentioned during his interview.

When it came to talking about Microsoft specifically he stated that "Microsoft [has] not driven the consumer revolution in the mind of the consumers" and instead has locked consumers in the corporate arena. He claims that all technology based companies eventually become "boring and middle aged" but for Microsoft, they'll still continue for decades to come due to their legacy products such as Windows, Office, and Xbox.

News has been spreading recently though that Google itself missed an opportunity not too long ago to potentially work with Facebook. Now the two companies are bitter rivals as the former CEO admitted for not taking the increased competition seriously enough.

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Really, from Google? What has Google ever innovated?

1) Search - Nope ripped off Alta Vista results and built a model around it.
2) Gmail - Nope ripped off hotmail and used it for data mining personal data for advertising.
3) Android - Nope bought it, and still managed to butcher it.
4) WebM - VP8/WebM was again purchased and again is being butcher today.

And the list can go on and on and on...

Microsoft Innovations

1) NT - Hybrid Kernel - Was the first of its type and still unique enough that it is hard to explain how it works in using traditional micro/monolithic/etc kernel technologies. It is also nothing like the partial hybrid kernel model that OS X's XNU/Darwin uses.
2) NT - Object Based OS Model (Was a 'theory' and not used in a production OS until NT) Also why the IPC of NT doesn't break when adding new concepts or features as it deals with objects not static methods and parameters.
3) NT - HAL and the base abstraction layer and platform layer the NT kernel is built for. Unique in the simple nature of what it achieves and provides a very fast interface for the portable NT kernel code.
4) NT - NTFS - Still a holy grail of FS technologies that the FOSS and *nix worlds want to acheive, which is why ZFS was so promising as it was the closest thing to reaching NTFS's features.
5) NT - Client Server sub OS design (only theory until NT) - the subsystem that Win32, SUA, use today.
6) NT - WDDM A video driver and architecture model that was the result of the XBox 360 work and unique to Windows NT to this day offering GPU virtualization, driver abstraction, and even GPU pre-emptive multi-tasking features that no other OS has.
7) MS Word - Concepts from MS Word in the 1980s are used in EVERY OS that exists today as FUNDAMENTAL features - like Select & Modify all the way to newer concepts like visual spelling mistakes.
8) Shader Language - Used by NVidia, OpenGL, and DirectX - all come from the original Microsoft shader lanaguage written during the 1990s DirectX and XBox creation time period.
9) Specific PS & VS GPU design - Created by Microsoft for the original XBox, used in NVidia and ATI GPU for several years, including the PSX in the PS3 is based on the Microsoft PS & VS design.
10) Unified Shader GPU design - Still used by all GPUs and OSes for gaming and modern 3D computing.

And this is just the top 10 off the top of my head...

So Microsoft doesn't innovate? Really?

Anyone that believes this needs to rip out all the shader code in all their software, rip out any GPU made in the last 10 years, and stop highlighting words or objects in software and selecting a new font or color to 'modify/change' them....

This guy is out for publicity and to take a jab at Microsoft, yet they have no problem using Microsoft technologies over the years, and Google still does to this day.

Give a monkey a stage, and he will entertain people even when throwing poop...

thenetavenger said,

Give a monkey a stage, and he will entertain people even when throwing poop...

Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers

thenetavenger said,
nerd wall of text

1) Google search is awesome
2) Gmail is awesome
3) Android is awesome

All that crap you listed below...? Don't care about. I can't remember the last time I was excited by a Microsoft product. Sure, Windows 7 is good, but I'd expect that over so many years anyway.

Since when is Xbox a legacy product? It's newer than Google's search engine, the only thing they actually make money on.

Facebook and Twitter are innovative regarding the social slice... but they pretty much are boxed in. Sure they spill into sites to provide logins (microsoft has been there and done that already, but it never did reach critical mass or take off because passport was not free).

I agree that Amazon, Google, and Apple are pretty much driving forces. Microsoft is just working on it. Sony looks like they are working on it too... Netflix has an opportunity here as well. Anyway, MS has some new and interesting ideas, but they need to get the consumers onboard and now...

on the consumer end, microsoft is behind at online services, smart phone, pc areas. the truth is microsoft is really a business oriented company. their enterprise cloud solutions are very much in lead and innovations are on the cutting edge. yes to the everyday average consumers, people talk about ipads, phone or whatever. microsoft is less interesting these days, but they are not lacking innovations.

leo221 said,
on the consumer end, microsoft is behind at online services, smart phone, pc areas. the truth is microsoft is really a business oriented company. their enterprise cloud solutions are very much in lead and innovations are on the cutting edge. yes to the everyday average consumers, people talk about ipads, phone or whatever. microsoft is less interesting these days, but they are not lacking innovations.

well. after rereading my post, I realized my opinion and what Schmidt said aren't different. to microsoft, they go there the money is which is in enterprises.

I always laugh when dick-heads love to count Microsoft out. What is it with this jealousy people? Anyway, his remarks will only light more fire into Ballmer to buy more companies, like GOOGLE and APPLE did, and show them who's King.

That's fairly rich coming from a company whose mobile OS ripped off the interface from iOS and the fragmentation and poor implementation from Windows Mobile. Google mostly rehash old ideas. The only genuine and useful innovations they have provided are their search engine and Gmail.

burhan9k said,
Ah this guy is just jealous of Microsoft! Coz they rule in OS market, Browser market and email market!
I'll have one copy of that boring-ass operating system that costs $250 that comes with a web browser that, until only recently, has good standards support, and that email service whose UI is a POS, PLEASE!

Xbox and Windows are just means to an end, namely playing games and using the internet. What does the average person turn their computer on for, to use Windows, or to get to Facebook?

MS Lose32 said,
Xbox and Windows are just means to an end, namely playing games and using the internet. What does the average person turn their computer on for, to use Windows, or to get to Facebook?

So you're trying to say that wasting time on Facebook is more innovative that using Windows for work and Xbox for playing games?

The Stark said,

So you're trying to say that wasting time on Facebook is more innovative that using Windows for work and Xbox for playing games?

The games and Facebook are ends and the Xbox and Windows (and the browser) are a means to it.

MS Lose32 said,
Xbox and Windows are just means to an end, namely playing games and using the internet. What does the average person turn their computer on for, to use Windows, or to get to Facebook?

+1
That's true. Windows and the XBox are just middle men in effect.

Flawed said,

+1
That's true. Windows and the XBox are just middle men in effect.
And for that reason, they shouldn't be innovative right?. After all, they are just in the middle of making things happen.

calling the ones that have the majority of users at their disposal not innovative.. ahhah just a lame excuse to show his disapproval to the eyepicking obvious... give me a break... this guy.. whoever he is, i just saw his name for the first time .. hes a retard

Yeah but Google have Android - that's innovative...oh wait that's right they acquired the company behind it. Never mind.

Microsoft may not be as innovative now as they once were, but to say they aren't as innovative as Google or Facebook is just plain dumb!

I think he's wrong. MS is a staple in business technology and their XBox 360 is a highly successful consumer product.

Eric Schmidt is a dbag. Hes just sore over past dealings with MS.

And Facebook innovated by linking people in one place? Ummmm, yea...I believe Myspace was before Facebook. He obviously is oblivious to the fact that Kinect was innovative and the fact that it will be coming to the PC soon. So I guess thats what he means about locking consumers in the corp market..../s

Xerax said,
Yeah, i mean it's not like Google have copied anything from MS...

Blasphemer! You know that 100% of Google's product line is all in house innovation! Recant!

;-)

Xerax said,
Yeah, i mean it's not like Google have copied anything from MS...
Google copied the idea of an operating system from Microsoft and Microsoft copied the idea of a search engine from Google so they're even.

MS Lose32 said,
Google copied the idea of an operating system from Microsoft and Microsoft copied the idea of a search engine from Google so they're even.

Google DID NOT invent the search engine... They popularized it... BIG difference

vhaakmat said,

Google DID NOT invent the search engine... They popularized it... BIG difference
And Microsoft didn't invent the operating system. They popularized it... So they're still even.

MS Lose32 said,
And Microsoft didn't invent the operating system. They popularized it... So they're still even.
Exactly.

MS Lose32 said,
Google copied the idea of an operating system from Microsoft and Microsoft copied the idea of a search engine from Google so they're even.

Weird both existed before both... Microsoft also had a search engine before Google existed, go research MSN.

WickedScribbler said,

Blasphemer! You know that 100% of Google's product line is all in house innovation! Recant!

;-)

The strange thing is even in the smarter 'tech' community, I run into people almost everyday that think Google created Android, Dalvik, WebM, etc...

Google hasn't created a technology or product from scratch that our tech team has been able to trace solely back to them. Even their search engine technologies were based off of watching Lycos and Alta Vista results and building their code to match the results. (If anyone remembers Alta Vista, it was a lot like Google in the vast amount and tiny details it would return results based on.)

thenetavenger said,

Weird both existed before both... Microsoft also had a search engine before Google existed, go research MSN.

I know it's sad. Microsoft failed with MSN Search and Live Search. Changing the name to Bing will make them WIN! /s

I can't wait to see the look on his face when MS overtakes Google. They are so in the crosshairs. What else could he say about his only direct rival anyway? Tech politics. We need a word for that. TechTics?

JF

jimmyfal said,
I can't wait to see the look on his face when MS overtakes Google.

That made me LOL. Next time put a <sarcasm> note at the end of your statement so people don't take you seriously.

Seriously WP7 will not overtake Android; Bing will not overtake Google Search. Gmail is only getting better. Google has a lot of more attractive services such as Voice, Music, and hell when Chromebooks eventually find their price point a year from now (~$299), consumers will buy that over Netbooks.

Being a bookseller is high-tech? "Designing attractive products that consumers buy" Well now, aren't Flower arrangements attractive? People buy those too. So their on-level with flower shops according to him. Facebook came out after Myspace and what exactly have they done that's "High Tech"??? I'll give him Google.. 1/4.. F.

Brennon Miller said,
Being a bookseller is high-tech? "Designing attractive products that consumers buy" Well now, aren't Flower arrangements attractive? People buy those too. So their on-level with flower shops according to him. Facebook came out after Myspace and what exactly have they done that's "High Tech"??? I'll give him Google.. 1/4.. F.

Not selling books, patenting the 'One Click Purchase' thing and enforcing it by suing the crap out of everyone.

I kind of see his point in that windows mobile is trailing behind android and IOS, I also see it in that zune is trailing way behind itunes and amazon's music thing...

Yet if it wasn't for microsoft's innovations, such as bing's background feature that his very company stolen... Then yeah.

n_K said,
I kind of see his point in that windows mobile is trailing behind android and IOS, I also see it in that zune is trailing way behind itunes and amazon's music thing...

Yet if it wasn't for microsoft's innovations, such as bing's background feature that his very company stolen... Then yeah.

Zune is US only...thats why it never took off. Plus it was never really advertised. Windows Mobile is dead. WP7 is new and fresh and awesome. There arent a lot of phones with it yet though. Plus Verizon just launched one this week. Once the Nokia's come out with it, market share should increase. The zune software is awesome, as is the Zune pass. Maybe you should do some research before being a fanboi...oh wait...that would be counter productive

n_K said,
I kind of see his point in that windows mobile is trailing behind android and IOS, I also see it in that zune is trailing way behind itunes and amazon's music thing...

Yet if it wasn't for microsoft's innovations, such as bing's background feature that his very company stolen... Then yeah.

Windows Mobile was made years before iOS and Android, WP7 on the either is the one you are talking about

n_K said,
I kind of see his point in that windows mobile is trailing behind android and IOS, I also see it in that zune is trailing way behind itunes and amazon's music thing...

Yet if it wasn't for microsoft's innovations, such as bing's background feature that his very company stolen... Then yeah.

it wasnt even behind.. windows MOBILE isn't a smartphone OS. and it was heavy and slow and outdated thats why they made windows PHONE 7 so it would be faster and better with a real marketplace, with people having a good experience and not having to reset the phone once a day or more because it stopped working.

EmilyTheStrange said,

it wasnt even behind.. windows MOBILE isn't a smartphone OS. and it was heavy and slow and outdated thats why they made windows PHONE 7 .

So by your definition a PC isn't a PC until it has a 64-bit processor then. Forget it's 30 year history. Windows Mobile, Palm and Blackberry were the first smartphones because they had apps before Mr. iJobs thought of this word. Of course, based on the technology then, they couldn't do what today's phones can, but to categorize WM as a dumb-phone is utter crap.

BrewNinja said,

Zune is US only...thats why it never took off. Plus it was never really advertised. Windows Mobile is dead. WP7 is new and fresh and awesome. There arent a lot of phones with it yet though. Plus Verizon just launched one this week. Once the Nokia's come out with it, market share should increase. The zune software is awesome, as is the Zune pass. Maybe you should do some research before being a fanboi...oh wait...that would be counter productive


o, hai, I don't live in the US therefore the zune is a failure, because I can't access it or do anything with it.
I've got 2 windows mobile devices, both of which were cronic, WP/WM/whatever, they all come from the same codebase.
Yeh, there's not a lot of phones with WP7, exactly, it's been left far too late to be released and developers have already jumped on the IOS bandwagon and aren't interested in WP7, there's an article about that on neowin if you'd like to try and do some research on the subject.
Fanboy? That's right, I go around and show off how well my macbook does at running linux and windows and not running mac osx, obviously I'm some google or mac fanboy because, uh, i just cant stop thinkign about it all x

I guess no one is going to be interested in what Mr Sinofsky is going to say later on today then. Because Big Eric said so.

ahhell said,
Facebook a high-tech company leading innovation?!?!?!?!?!?!?

LOOOOOOOOOOOOL.
What a tool.

Count how many times the average Joe utters the word "microsoft" throughout the day. Now count how many times he utters "facebook". That's what Eric is talking about when he says "Microsoft [has] not driven the consumer revolution in the mind of the consumers."

MS Lose32 said,
Count how many times the average Joe utters the word "microsoft" throughout the day. Now count how many times he utters "facebook". That's what Eric is talking about when he says "Microsoft [has] not driven the consumer revolution in the mind of the consumers."
Okay, i'll go and open "facebook" on my 89% market share Operating System "Windows" or on my "Xbox".

ahhell said,
Facebook a high-tech company leading innovation?!?!?!?!?!?!?

LOOOOOOOOOOOOL.
What a tool.

Couldnt of said it better myself.

Xerax said,
Okay, i'll go and open "facebook" on my 89% market share Operating System "Windows" or on my "Xbox".

I'm playing Gears of War 3 on my Chrome OS netbook. FTW.

/s

Xerax said,
Okay, i'll go and open "facebook" on my 89% market share Operating System "Windows" or on my "Xbox".
Wow. It went right over your head.

MS Lose32 said,
Wow. It went right over your head.

Being popular doesn't mean innovative, now does it? I'm guessing that you one of those people that thinks Twitter is "innovative".

ahhell said,

Being popular doesn't mean innovative, now does it? I'm guessing that you one of those people that thinks Twitter is "innovative".

Twitter is innovative. We saw it being used in the Iranian election, January 25th Egyptian Revolution, Wikileaks, Syria, etc...

Perhaps you have a misconception that you only follow idiots who tweet a pic of what they are eating or what a celebrity has done?

Anooxy said,
Kinect wasn't innovative at all.

eric shmidt is cringing at MS because of their lost Market share on google and the gain on bing. but its only a point of a percentage!! lol

auziez said,

eric shmidt is cringing at MS because of their lost Market share on google and the gain on bing. but its only a point of a percentage!! lol

In the US thanks to heavy advertising and backroom deals yes but worldwide since Bing was launched Google's market share has risen

Anooxy said,
Kinect wasn't innovative at all.

Kinect was pretty innovative... so was the $40 mount just to get the sensor situated....

thealexweb said,

In the US thanks to heavy advertising and backroom deals yes but worldwide since Bing was launched Google's market share has risen

care to show the numbers? i have seen the US ones, but not the worldwide ones... you have them?

Kinect is just an imitation of the Wii motion sensor. Remember Microsoft is a "me too" company. It doesn't create anything that doesn't already exist.

Flawed said,
Kinect is just an imitation of the Wii motion sensor. Remember Microsoft is a "me too" company. It doesn't create anything that doesn't already exist.

Really? I guess the fact that you dont need a controller is copying and not innovative.

Flawed said,
Kinect is just an imitation of the Wii motion sensor. Remember Microsoft is a "me too" company. It doesn't create anything that doesn't already exist.

yeah because wii was the first motion sensor device... and because wii consists of a infrared laser combined with cmos sensor... yeah right. and thats why even companies like autodesk bought a wii for their showcases where they show how it can be used with motion builder in a cheap motion capture build. yeah thats right.... and again, yeah, wii was the first motion sensor device ever, smart people like you should stick to comment on neowin n_n

Anooxy said,
Kinect wasn't innovative at all.
The Kinect, in my mind, is the single most innovative product MS has made in the last 5 years. Even though it was a response to the Wiimote, it took a unique and very interesting twist to it.

Anooxy said,
Kinect wasn't innovative at all.

I guess it because the hardware tech behind Kinect was developed by PrimeSense.

Flawed said,
Kinect is just an imitation of the Wii motion sensor. Remember Microsoft is a "me too" company. It doesn't create anything that doesn't already exist.

Really? Show me a kernel technology that existed prior to NT that is even close to what NT is doing - go read the first edition of Inside NT.

Do you have a video card in your computer? The shader code running on it was designed by Microsoft, even if you are using OpenGL or CUDA. The hardware of the GPU in your computer is also a Microsoft design. The two maing 3D GPU designs of the past 10 years came from both XBox projects with the introduction of the unique PS and VS technology used in the original XBox that NVidia adapted for the original Geforce4TI and even is the basis of the GPU techology the PSX in the PS3 uses. How about the Unified Pixel Shader GPU designs - again from the XBox 360 project and designed by Microsoft hardware engineers.

Go Troll or educate yourself... They are one of the least ME TOO companies, they just don't run around bragging that even the iPhone and all Macs are using code designed by Microsoft and hardware designed by Microsoft engineers...

thenetavenger said,

Do you have a video card in your computer? The shader code running on it was designed by Microsoft, even if you are using OpenGL or CUDA. The hardware of the GPU in your computer is also a Microsoft design. The two maing 3D GPU designs of the past 10 years came from both XBox projects with the introduction of the unique PS and VS technology used in the original XBox that NVidia adapted for the original Geforce4TI and even is the basis of the GPU techology the PSX in the PS3 uses. How about the Unified Pixel Shader GPU designs - again from the XBox 360 project and designed by Microsoft hardware engineers.

Really? lol

[Citation Needed]

Flawed said,
Kinect is just an imitation of the Wii motion sensor. Remember Microsoft is a "me too" company. It doesn't create anything that doesn't already exist.

really? Is this the best you can do? sounds like you are spewing goo just for spite's sake.

Flawed said,
Kinect is just an imitation of the Wii motion sensor. Remember Microsoft is a "me too" company. It doesn't create anything that doesn't already exist.

Have you even seen a Wiimote or Kinect? If you're saying something like this, I seriously doubt it. They're nothing alike, not even close.

If he's talking about new technologies that the average consumer obsesses about, in other words, companies that get discussed around the kitchen table, then he's pretty correct. I would add Netflix in there too.