EU MPs to ISPs: Take hate sites offline

A group of European Parliament members have submitted a draft declaration to the European Parliament requiring ISPs to better monitor the content of the sites they host in order to keep hate speech off the web. The five European (from the UK, Hungary and Germany) MPs sponsoring the declaration would like to see racism and hate speech banished from the Internet completely, starting with Europe. Should European ISPs not go along, the MPs will try to get the European Commission to enact legislation on the issue. The MPs hope the EC uses the Safer Internet Plus program, which intends to "promote safer use of the Internet" while fighting against "illegal content and content unwanted by" end users.

News source: Ars Technica

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Remember these are the same countries that would not step into Bosnia to defend their rights to freedom of LIFE. Freedom of speech, give me a break...... When you are ready to fight for life, then talk about speech. Speech is all they are good for.

We are supposed to live in a democracy.

I don't like the BNP, NF or some other nazi hate filled groups, however they should be able to speak their mind as long as it does not break racism laws and I think the other law is section 4, to cause aggravated racism, to insight racism etc.


Who is going to Police this?

While I'm against it, I can see people getting upset if there is a website specifically about them attacking them, and there is nothing they can do about it. I'm sure then they'd want a ban on hate sites.

The first link, My priorities in the Parliament include combating racism a quote from his website.

The party he is a member of have created racism.

There are people that judge people by the colour of their skin, this is racism, so when the labour party will allow departments to only employ people by the colour of their skin, that is racism.

I get the feeling we should toss the european union and all the mp's into the north sea and leave them there.

I believe that mp's are elected by the people to serve the people not the other way around.

My god, this facist group never stops ... first they're throwing political dissidents in jail under hate speech, now they're controlling the Internet.

Why do liberals, who claim their for free speech, continue to be in favour of this organization? The bigger government gets, the more power it takes, the more facist and controlling it becomes ... its common sense, which is why we smart people want smaller government - not an extra bloated layer of more politicians to control the people.

They're seizing the markets, with they're war on American companies, they're dissolving national governments (more power for them), and now banning free speech and controlling the Internet - but I'm sure its all worth it, imagine how much we'd suffer if we had to pay tarrifs on German cars or French wine - the horror.

Is it that much of a suprise the European Union has turned into the Soviet Union? When you put hundreds of unelected politicians together, they're bound to get power hungry and turn into facist pigs, which is why we need smaller government and constitutional rights to say what we want and elect who we wish, the EU has taken away both those rights.

ichi said,

huh? :huh:

Their new hate speech laws, pushed by Germany (oh the irony!), give the EU power to jail anyone deemed to be "hateful" ...

We’re bound to have a heavily monitored Internet within the next 10 years. Just take a look at it: the EU wants to ban hate sites, the U.S. has complete control over the internet, and is endorsing an “Internet 2″, which many believe will bring an end to privacy, and the RIAA is enforcing DRM on copyrighted material. There isn’t trust, there isn’t freedom. The Internet is already becoming the opposite of what it should be. Why can’t we have a reasonable “no limits” zone? People can determine for themselves what is right and what isn’t. Why do we need the EU and the U.S. deciding for us without letting us form our own opinions?

Racism is bad in most of our minds, mine definitely included, and so are hate sites. But we can decide that for ourselves, and “the machine” can’t moderate everything for us. Web 2.0 is all about user-generated content, and yet the Internet 2.0 is headed towards the opposite: heavily-moderated content. Two things that we used to think were parallel are suddenly changing direction very quickly, and the final fight is upon us. The Internet is not powered, controlled, or moderated by one person or government, it’s run for the people, by the people, and is here to liberate the people.

Maybe this is a trust issue, in fact, it definitely is, but if one person is untrustworthy, why does everyone have to pay the price? Torrents, for example, are good technology: they create a network to download from instead of relying on one person or server. But because they are often used for illegal things such as cracks and piracy, they are looked upon as bad things by people who, quite frankly, don’t use them for anything, so they really don’t care whether they exist or not. But I use them for things like downloading various distributions of Linux and other large files that would put a large amount of load on one server, costing money.

We pay for the service of freedom when we buy an internet plan; it may come with conditions, and if you don’t like them, switch ISP’s. It’s not that easy when it comes to how the whole Internet is run: there is no way out. Once legislation is put in place by an extreme power in the world, it sticks, and it can’t be overruled. Most of us do not live in a palce where free speech does not exist, but we, as Internet users, are all headed towards a reality: governments control our lives on the Internet.

Don’t even get me started on China. Political opinions on the Internet? No way, you’ll have to find ways around it. The Internet in China is nothing but a page with a giant hole in it, and that hole is where freedom is in the rest of the world. I feel bad for the Chinese, I really do, but at the same time, they’re ahead of their time. We’ve worked for hundreds of years for freedom, liberation, and the one thing that gives us the most is slowly becoming something much less exciting.

The fight begins now. I know I’m not the only one who enjoys being on the current Internet, where we can do what we want, to a reasonable extent. Piracy is wrong. Racism is wrong. Freedom isn’t, and I want mine back.

"the content of the sites they host "
Someone knows a free webhoster in switzerland? ...
Sorry, except the "free speech" reason, what's the sense of it that a german ISP ban this site, and I can choose a webhoster outsite EU?
And what about all the free webhoster without any strictly access control, like funpic?
Or the content on his own, wikis, blogs, forums?

But yes, I am agree all the politicans from the EU need some reasons to exist, that cost only a lot of money, no more..

ban hate sites? :confused:

right...so then the EU parliament starts blocking everything they consider "immoral"

this thing should not have even been brought up in the first place...it's a direct attack to free speech

I hope this fails, not because I am for racism, but because who is the EU to define what is a "hate site" and what isn't?

i don't want hate sites closed down. one way to look at it is at least you can monitor these people and see who they are if they're promoting their hate over the internet. if you close them down then they're gonna go elsewhere to promote their hate, and if thats in RL then that could be much worse.

"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."
- Voltaire

Yeah, This statement pretty much sums up what I have to say. Even though we disagree with it, We have to accept it the pros and the cons of freedoms

Voltaire didn't say that but that is how people sum up his beliefs.


What is next? they take down the sites that criticize the EU?


I'm not in any way condoning hate sites, I personally hate racism in all forms, but I think that I'd rather have a bunch of hate sites on the internet, knowing full well we have complete freedom to do what we like there, as opposed to the internet being monitored and moderated by a governmental body.
It's the price we pay for freedom.

Exactly. This is not a good thing and I sure as hell hope this does not happen.

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

pixels said,
Exactly. This is not a good thing and I sure as hell hope this does not happen.

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

a GREAT Franklin quote. not only do they not deserve it, they wont ever get it either.

I have to agree. After all who gets to define hate speach? I dont like racism, sexism, etc.... but more so I dont want others to regulate what I say or read. After all it's just words. Actions are the real issue, work on those and the words will work themselves out.

Peace,
James Rose
New York City

Kushan said,
I'm not in any way condoning hate sites, I personally hate racism in all forms, but I think that I'd rather have a bunch of hate sites on the internet, knowing full well we have complete freedom to do what we like there, as opposed to the internet being monitored and moderated by a governmental body.
It's the price we pay for freedom.

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