@evleaks hints at Android powered Lumias from Microsoft

It would seem that the Nokia X series of Android powered phones may not be the last after all, if we're to believe a tweet posted by evleaks earlier today.

There's not much more to go on other than this announcement, but we'll be updating this article as more information becomes available.

Not long ago, rumors started circulating about the idea of running Android apps on Windows Phone. Neowin has spoken with sources with first hand knowledge of Microsoft's plans, who told us that the company has considered this path.

There is merit to this idea too. Windows Phone is often lamented for its lack of support from developers for critical apps. Yes, many key apps may be available, but consider even a high-profile example like the official Twitter app, which is an embarrassment to the service when you compare it to what is available on Android or iOS.

A few days ago we published more information on possible plans by Microsoft to allow installation of Windows Phone on Android devices, but so far these are merely ideas and nothing is set in stone.

But for Microsoft to start offering Android-powered Lumias seems like a strange decision, if only for the purpose of undercutting its own OS.

Source: @evleaks 

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The only way I see this working:

-sell nokia off. terminate your phone OEM ventures permanently.
-this micro-droid OS should remain open and advance as fast as google's. They will need to give up some things like upgradeability and use experience, as google has.
-move fast. basically fire the entire WP team and hire a team of fast developers to keep up with google.
-invest in maps and location services.
-copy android wear and repeat.

techbeck said,
Pretty funny actually. All that negative campaigning against Google and now this.

MSFT hasn't said anything bad about android. In fact this is against google: basically remove google's infection from android and heal it in a way :)

MS earns a lot more with Android than with WP so it is an obvious choice.

However, MS could profit even further with it, Google is not "owner" of Android. So, MS could follows Amazon's path and even launch a custom "market" tied with MS products.

acrodex said,
Google is in fact the "owner" of Android. No one knows what's next for Android except Google.

what he means is there is no reason MSFT can't "steal" android and run with its own branch. It doesn't matter what google does at that point, it would be two parallel ecosystem diverging further.

it could

1) provide OEM insurance against google
2) provide MSFT with the app parity it lacks
3) provide both google and MSFT with a leveled plain field. this is a loss for google and a gain for MSFT, but it comes at the cost of windows relevancy. MSFT needs to think carefully.

I just don't see this happening. Remember a few weeks ago EVleaks rumored Cortana coming to other platforms and Microsoft shot that down. Microsoft is way too invested in Windows 8.1 and WP 8.1 especially seeing how they are about to merge RT and WP. What benefit will Microsoft gain from releasing an Android, aside from hurting their own WP market share.

pathetic, they really know how to make everyone who like them hate them, MS while you doing it change your name to MicroDroid

utomo said,
How if Windows Phone 8.x can Run Android Apps ?
I think it will make interesting.

That would destroy Windows Phone. We've seen this before. OS/2 could run Windows apps flawlessly, so devs only made Windows apps because they knew they would work on both platforms. If MS does this, it will kill WP :/

If I had known Microsoft would turn on its partners, I never would have gotten into Windows 8 development. Nadella is so unpredictable: I'm not sticking around to hear him announce new tablets running Android, in lieu of Windows. After my current Windows 8 project, I'm through.

pantera9 said,

That would destroy Windows Phone. We've seen this before. OS/2 could run Windows apps flawlessly, so devs only made Windows apps because they knew they would work on both platforms. If MS does this, it will kill WP :/

OSX runs windows apps virtualized and hasn't destroyed it yet.

Patmore Douglas said,
If I had known Microsoft would turn on its partners, I never would have gotten into Windows 8 development. Nadella is so unpredictable: I'm not sticking around to hear him announce new tablets running Android, in lieu of Windows. After my current Windows 8 project, I'm through.

same boat here. I work on the big enterprise world so for me, windows will remain the platform of choice for android will never reach these levels as there is simply no incentive for its horrible flaws in the backend enterprise. But sad to see this as it means windows 8 may suffer the same fate.

Satya seemed great, but if this is true, I think he is a lot like Tim Cook then: a CEO who only sees short term and doesn't realize how to fight google.

How about concentrating on your OS/apps for a while? Many of your own apps on wp could use much needed improvement.

Steven P. said,
So much for Microsoft (Steve Ballmer) "destroying Google" :p

Did hey say that? Its like when he laughed at the iPhone.

I think the release of the iPhone was at the same time that Microsoft started not being so relevant.

Steven P. said,
So much for Microsoft (Steve Ballmer) "destroying Google" :p

Actually, this was Steve Jobs but nevermind..

Forc3 said,

Actually, this was Steve Jobs but nevermind..

Exactly. Keep up Steven. It's kind of embarrassing to read such comments coming from you.

AsherGZ said,
Exactly. Keep up Steven. It's kind of embarrassing to read such comments coming from you.

Steven is right. Look it up. Steve Ballmer said this infamous quote about Eric Schmidt and Google in 2005:

"F… Eric Schmidt is a f… p... I'm going to f… bury that guy, I have done it before, and I will do it again. I'm going to f… kill Google."

SMH
If it's true, I'm looking forward to see the justification for this.

Maybe it's their own fork, which I guess is better than a Google OS..

singularity0821 said,
The USA are not the world... WP has ~20% in several European countries and is quite popular in other countries, e.g. India, too..

Windows Phone has some marketshare in these countries because people are buying a dirt cheap low end device. They don't care that its Windows Phone, they care that its cheap. Windows Phone flagship phone sales are terrible everywhere.

Edited by derekaw, Jul 7 2014, 8:54am :

derekaw said,

Windows Phone has some marketshare in these countries because people are buying a dirt cheap low end device. They don't care that its Windows Phone, they care that its cheap. Windows Phone flagship phone sales are terrible everywhere.

The cheap devices make up for arround 50% of the Windows Phone market share, now go and take a guess how much % the cheap Android devices make up. Your point stands as much for Windows Phone as it does for Android.

...but android is not floundering at 3% marketshare worldwide. The future of Android is assured but Windows Phone looks like Microsoft should pack up. Thats fine, run Android and start being in the game. Start making money for Microsoft. Start really competing. Start giving people what they want, mostly people don't want Windows Phone and 3% marketshare supports this.

singularity0821 said,
The USA are not the world... WP has ~20% in several European countries and is quite popular in other countries, e.g. India, too..

I am in Europe and no one from my friends have WP... i wonder where this 20% comes from?

DaveBG said,

I am in Europe and no one from my friends have WP... i wonder where this 20% comes from?

Wow dude you should grow up. Just because you and your friends have no windows phones doesnt mean there are no windows phones in europe. Half of my closest friends have a WP. Also my mother, gf, uncle and the list goes on and on. Those are at least 10 WPs in my local circle, at least. Not included are WPs I see in the wild. Thats where 20% come from.

DaveBG said,

I am in Europe and no one from my friends have WP... i wonder where this 20% comes from?

Southern en Eastern European countries mostly (Italy, Poland per example). You hardly see any Windows Phone here in the Netherlands.

derekaw said,

Windows Phone has some marketshare in these countries because people are buying a dirt cheap low end device. They don't care that its Windows Phone, they care that its cheap. Windows Phone flagship phone sales are terrible everywhere.


What proof do you have of that? Show us your proof!!!

DaveBG said,

I am in Europe and no one from my friends have WP... i wonder where this 20% comes from?

That depends. YOU and your ONE friend doesn't exactly make a good representation of the European market.

derekaw said,
Lets be honest, Windows Phone is as good as dead. 3% after 4 years is awful. Android makes perfect sense.

while obviously trolling, why do you think android makes sense for them? basically helping google hurts them more. you don't see google making windows laptops even when the chromebooks are a bust do you? because they know better.

derekaw said,
Windows Phone has some marketshare in these countries because people are buying a dirt cheap low end device. They don't care that its Windows Phone, they care that its cheap. Windows Phone flagship phone sales are terrible everywhere.
Are you going to discount Android's market share to reflect your WP Position?

DaveBG said,

I am in Europe and no one from my friends have WP... i wonder where this 20% comes from?

They've got crapy phones from China going for 20% the price of a lumia 520?

MrHumpty said,
You gotta love the characterization of "limping its way." 0% to 3.5% (or over a quarter of iOS's market share) isn't too shabby so far considering the market it's trying to penetrate.

huh, didnt notice the title until you said something.

Gergel7077 said,

That depends. YOU and your ONE friend doesn't exactly make a good representation of the European market.

Which is twice better since you have 0 friends. So I can speak with more confidence that WP is a hot steam in most of the real world.

neonspark said,

while obviously trolling, why do you think android makes sense for them? basically helping google hurts them more. you don't see google making windows laptops even when the chromebooks are a bust do you? because they know better.

No, Microsoft will fork their version of Android and make it their own. Microsoft will remove any benefit to google :-)

MrHumpty said,
You gotta love the characterization of "limping its way." 0% to 3.5% (or over a quarter of iOS's market share) isn't too shabby so far considering the market it's trying to penetrate.

It is shabby, its an awful marketshare number and growth in marketshare looks to be levelling off. After 4 years this must be very very disappointing for MS.

derekaw said,

It is shabby, its an awful marketshare number and growth in marketshare looks to be levelling off. After 4 years this must be very very disappointing for MS.

Again, their market share world wide is a quarter that of iOS. Considering when they entered the market that's quite good. If you're going to say iOS is a screaming success, which I doubt anybody would argue with, you can't call WP's Market Share awful. They came in against two entrenched, wide reaching, and mature ecosystems. w/I 4 years they are nearly feature parity (I really don't count 7-7.5-7.8 as real contenders).

I'm fairly certain Apple would give their left man part to have 25% of Microsoft's Market Share in desktop. In fact, seeing as they are only a 5% owner of market share in the desktop market I guess we'll characterize their standing as awful... I mean they released OSX in late 2000, some 14 years ago.

derekaw said,

Windows Phone has some marketshare in these countries because people are buying a dirt cheap low end device. They don't care that its Windows Phone, they care that its cheap. Windows Phone flagship phone sales are terrible everywhere.

100% true my friend. People that have WP have no idea what is WP, ... not Android nor iOS. They just buy the cheapest thing called "phone". And this thing makes the 3% people are so vigorously defending... amusing...

I think it's best to hear from Microsoft on this rather than jump to conclusions on this as the Lumia range is pretty much established as running Windows Phone.

that was an ongoing project, they had to release it per shareholder responsibilities :should the sale not happen they would get sued.

I wonder why Nokia waited so much before taking this step ??

If they had this decision taken by gingerbread, I am sure, they would not have to sell off to MS.. Android just would not have saved Nokia, but it would have threatened Samsung from the android dominance !!

Every single Nokia user and fan cried for an android powered device, but Nokia simply didn't listen..

Many expert commented that may be MS - Nokia windows deal had some claws to prevent Nokia doing so but now if Nokia do get an android out, it would prove that theory wrong and I believe Stephen Elop simply did a foul play here to run Nokia down to its grave and eventually securing him a place in Microsoft again..

conspiracy /s ...

Nokia, as a phone making entity, doesn't exist anymore. It's "Microsoft Mobile". Nokia is the networking equipment and HERE maps people only.

Microsoft, under Nadella, has a clear strategy of bringing its services and software to other platforms. Bringing Android to Lumia is an extension of that, although I personally can't understand it, and I think it'd just be confusing. 'X' for Android, Lumia for WP. Why can't they keep it simple...

Nokia had to invest in time in order to take this step. You think they'd have the finance to try and attempt before hand or alongside making WP phones? Remember they were on the verge of extinction.

neonspark said,
these phones will flop just the same buddy. nobody can beat samsung. nobody.

Samsung's sells are in decline. Their problem is that they are competing against Chinese Android handset makers who are coming out with incredible devices for half the price. Only Apple makes iOS so they affords them a level of protection in the market.

Rann Xeroxx said,

Samsung's sells are in decline. Their problem is that they are competing against Chinese Android handset makers who are coming out with incredible devices for half the price. Only Apple makes iOS so they affords them a level of protection in the market.

Could not agree more..

Seeing how MSFT is moulding WP 8.1 to at least appear closer to an Android based UI not really a surprise. I have mentioned several times I could well see MSFT moving to an AOSP based phone with a live tile skin over time.

paulheu said,
Seeing how MSFT is moulding WP 8.1 to at least appear closer to an Android based UI not really a surprise. I have mentioned several times I could well see MSFT moving to an AOSP based phone with a live tile skin over time.

Lol what? How on earth are they moulding it? I guess, they both make calls and have a clock.

paulheu said,
Seeing how MSFT is moulding WP 8.1 to at least appear closer to an Android based UI not really a surprise. I have mentioned several times I could well see MSFT moving to an AOSP based phone with a live tile skin over time.

Should see Androids next update, Im sure its a "Metro" styled UI, just like Windows Phone ?

EvilAstroboy said,

Should see Androids next update, Im sure its a "Metro" styled UI, just like Windows Phone ?

Yeah it could be the Nokia X OS, but I'm also sure that was dumbed down a lot for feature phones. My guess is a Microsoft launcher, but full Android (4.4).

paulheu said,
Seeing how MSFT is moulding WP 8.1 to at least appear closer to an Android based UI not really a surprise. I have mentioned several times I could well see MSFT moving to an AOSP based phone with a live tile skin over time.
I'm sorry, what?