Exclusive: Microsoft's new Anti-Virus, 'Morro', revealed

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Ever since Microsoft discontinued its "OneCare" Anti-Virus suite, gossip has been flying that Microsoft would be releasing a free Anti-Virus\Anti-Spyware tool codenamed "Morro".

The software product, codenamed "Morro" after a beach in Sao Paulo, Brazil, is already being tested by Microsoft employees and a trial version will be made available "soon". Microsoft has stated that Morro would be available by the end of 2009 at the latest.

"Morro" is likely to be targeted to compete with the low end of anti-virus products from other providers, and it will not have much of an impact on sales of full-blown security suites. According to Janice Chaffin, president of Symantec's Consumer Division, "Microsoft's free product is basically a stripped down version of the OneCare product Microsoft pulled from the shelves. A full Internet security suite is what consumers require today to stay fully protected."

Today we received three exclusive screen shots of the upcoming anti-virus suite from an anonymous tipster, we understand this is an internal build that is currently under testing so the UI is subject to change.

Update: Morro will now be renamed Microsoft Security Essentials.

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Well the EU wont say anything if it isn't going to be in windows 7 because its the users choice if he wants to download the anti-virus software or not

as for windows defender, I think they will eventually sue them over that

Well the EU wont say anything if it isn't going to be in windows 7 because its the users choice if he wants to download the anti-virus software or not

as for windows defender, I think they will eventually sue them over that

wouldnt this be causing a monopoly against other anti-virus companies like Norton.

I was quite surprised that they haven't got rid of windows defender

Hope this is better than NOD32... Nod32 v4 is blocking some of my Online Games from downloading Security Update for nProtect and X-trap.

*EDIT* Heh, I installed the Pre-Beta for Security Essentials... which is oddly similar, minus the newer Icons in it. I'll continue hording Microsoft till we get a public beta.

The UI looks consistent with the Aero graphical user interface. I'll be happy as long as it's functional and consistent with Windows Vista/7.

TonyLock said,
The interface is so lame for this GUI. Funny, some viruses have a better interface.

As people have already commented, the interface has changed since these screenshots were taken.

Maybe it's just the wording of the article, but it implies MS will at some stage charge for it. You don't have a trial version of free software, well not that I'm aware of anyway. Still, looks interesting and definetly one to watch I think.

Anyone know if you can use Morro in addition to other antivirus software, such as McAfee Security Center? Might be overkill, but if you can use it in addition to traditional software, would be highly interested. Afterall, in this day in age, you can never be too cautious.

bradsday said,
Anyone know if you can use Morro in addition to other antivirus software, such as McAfee Security Center? Might be overkill, but if you can use it in addition to traditional software, would be highly interested. Afterall, in this day in age, you can never be too cautious.


It can cause issues and it's not recommended. I've tried in the past and one AV scanner will say the other one is a virus and vice-versa.

Knowledge is power. Education is the key to the best safety available. If people would simply think instead of allowing their greed to guide their actions I really think there wouldn't be so many malware problems at all. People are simply stupid yet claim they have "no time" to learn new things or just don't want to be bothered with anything but their objective at that point in time. If it ain't "kewl" they probably won't be interested in it.

According to Janice Chaffin, president of Symantec's Consumer Division, "Microsoft's free product is basically a stripped down version of the OneCare product Microsoft pulled from the shelves. A full Internet security suite is what consumers require today to stay fully protected."

Full blown Internet security suite is more like it. I prefer one application for one purpose. Have uninstalled quite a few "Security Suites" in the past year, sometimes after removing a virus or trojan they missed, sometimes after increasing the RAM only to still have a machine with lack luster performance. Run a different operating system, virtual machine, or a live CD/DVD and stop paying the local thugs for protection. Nice to see Microsoft trying to put up a fence to keep the hoods from throwing rocks through our WIndows though. 04 was the last year I used a Symantec product, ditched Trend Micro last year. Have had good times with OnLine Armor, Avast, and AVG, all also available in free versions. Use Avast for manual scans on a Linux box on occasion too, as drives are shared with Windows.

I stopped Norton, McAfee, Trend Micro, and others, because they are eating CPU up when they were scanning the virus or spyware, also they eat memory up. I tried Windows Live OneCare and I find it when they are faster and best performance for Windows XP and Vista (in the future). I stopped using them before Windows Love OneCare launched in 2006, so I will use freeware of Microsoft Anti-virus software soon. :-)

If it does the job and is light on resources I won't renew Norton AV 2009 next year and go with this. NAV 2009 was a very surprising product for me, it didn't suck like previous Norton products. Small footprint, light on resources, efficient and it works!

Match that Morro and I'm sold!

Looks clean enough for an av, but it will all come down to reviews & detection rates at the end of the day.

I'd recommend MS give the windows firewall the same gui treatment, and make it more of a rival to the likes of Comodo or Outpost ...

I wonder if Microsoft is going to try and have Morro ready for release along with Windows 7? Has Microsoft said how they are going to make Morro avaliable yet, pre-installed into Windows, via Windows Update, or just of their website? It should be interesting. I remember how happy everyone was when MS made their firewall upgrade mandatory via Windows update. I wonder if entities such as the EU and other A.V. vendors will show the same level of support or just cliam that MS is trying to Monoplies again?

I like it a lot! If they make sure it doesn't really affect performance and has a very low amount of false positives like OneCare it'll probably be the first AV I'm using since 2 years or something like that!

I wonder why it is prefixed Microsoft... most of their products are now prefixed Windows so it should be Windows Morro! Good name nonetheless!

I hope they have an add-in for Windows Home Server so that one could monitor the status of the systems connected easily. I have eight systems connected to my WHS and it would be great to monitor the anti-malware solution from one central location.

Morro? LOL

If they don't change that codename, Spanish and Portuguese people won't stop laughing.

Spanish: Microsoft Snout
Portuguese: Microsoft I Die

Looks interesting though.

epraes said,
Morro? LOL

If they don't change that codename, Spanish and Portuguese people won't stop laughing.

Spanish: Microsoft Snout
Portuguese: Microsoft I Die

Looks interesting though.

Well, I guess they could always imagine it as "smelling" for the Spaniards. And claim that is what Virus says to the scanner in Portuguese haha.

Actually, I'm thinking it has to do with a 'fortress'.

There's a Castle Morro in Cuba and Fort San Felipe de Morro in Puerto Rico that both act as fortresses, intending to keep away invaders.

Thus one could conclude that Microsoft Morro = fortress; viruses/malware = invaders

Anyway, Morro is just a codename...

i don't understand what all the complaining is about. UI? come on- simple yet effective. Also, this will be a free download from ms (so if you don't want it you don't have to get it) and if it's anything like defender, it's going to rock. you don't have to worry about it changing your sys files either because it's made by ms.

Funny. The article claims to be a "reveal" yet provides zero additional information and screenshots of an old GUI. Yawn.

Where do you get that this is an old GUI? The GUI is Windows Vista, the UI of the app is of the one currently being tested inside Microsoft. That is, unless you have proof otherwise?

Hurmoth said,
Where do you get that this is an old GUI? The GUI is Windows Vista, the UI of the app is of the one currently being tested inside Microsoft. That is, unless you have proof otherwise?

Because I'm using a newer build.

Rafael said,
Because I'm using a newer build.


So then why don't you take some screenshots for us to see the new UI if that's the case?

If you're going to moan about outdated info, then post saying you have a newer build. Why aren't you sharing? If it's a legal thing, you could've done it on the hush-hush even.

I don't get some people, they just wanna bitch for the hell of it.

GP007 said,
So then why don't you take some screenshots for us to see the new UI if that's the case?

If you're going to moan about outdated info, then post saying you have a newer build. Why aren't you sharing? If it's a legal thing, you could've done it on the hush-hush even.

I don't get some people, they just wanna bitch for the hell of it.

For the same reason Paul Thurrott can't disclose any information. MS hasn't given anyone the green light.

In the meantime, I think you should at least respect other people's decisions to NOT break their NDA's.

xiphi said,
For the same reason Paul Thurrott can't disclose any information. MS hasn't given anyone the green light.

In the meantime, I think you should at least respect other people's decisions to NOT break their NDA's.


The fact that he acknowledges he has a newer build breaks the NDA. A non-disclosure isn't just for screenshots. He isn't suppose to talk about it period.

So he is most likely not using a newer build and just wants to enlarge his e-penis.

Either that or he doesn't understand his NDA at all.

Have you ever noticed that Thurrott doesn't ever mention something that is protected under a NDA until someone else breaks their NDA? It is because he isn't allowed to even mention it unless someone else does.

I'd think the guy who runs http://www.withinwindows.com/ knows what he's talking about. That's Rafael.

In any case, it was a bit of a bitchy comment. How are any of us here supposed to know whether it's a new or old build?

What the program looks like reveals a fair amount about how it works.

GP007 said,
So then why don't you take some screenshots for us to see the new UI if that's the case?

If you're going to moan about outdated info, then post saying you have a newer build. Why aren't you sharing? If it's a legal thing, you could've done it on the hush-hush even.

I don't get some people, they just wanna bitch for the hell of it.

My complaint was with the title of this article. The author uses the word "reveal" as if they made some earth shattering reveal here. But it's full of nothing but packing peanuts. The text is nothing more than the old announcement rehashed and the screenshots at little value.

It was clearly posted for "big bang" traffic reasons, nothing more.

I'm not sure why the freshness of the build even matters. None of us are actually using it so seeing the look changing every few days if very pointless.

The article shares some insight about Morro and that's all that it is inteded to do...

I could care less about where some image or button is placed in the UI. I'll get the final UI when it is released...

People just love to complain it seems.

Frazell Thomas said,
I'm not sure why the freshness of the build even matters. None of us are actually using it so seeing the look changing every few days if very pointless.

The article shares some insight about Morro and that's all that it is inteded to do...

I could care less about where some image or button is placed in the UI. I'll get the final UI when it is released...

People just love to complain it seems.


admittably, the article does say nothing. What did we learn exclusively?

-1 Rafael
Neowin have exclusively revealed some screenshots of Morro. No one else has, therefore it IS exclusive. It was definitely the first time I have seen them regardless of whether they are old or not.

I wouldn't have expected the man behind WithinWindows would be so tetchy. Have they spoiled your "exclusive". [< snipped > - Calum]

Rafael said,
My complaint was with the title of this article. The author uses the word "reveal" as if they made some earth shattering reveal here. But it's full of nothing but packing peanuts. The text is nothing more than the old announcement rehashed and the screenshots at little value.

It was clearly posted for "big bang" traffic reasons, nothing more.

Rafael, it may not have been revealed to you and the few other users who were able to try out this piece of development software, but it is definately new and has been revealed to millions of other users, who have not seen it before; whether it's an old build or not.

We're working on an Aero overlay that will cover over your whole screen with the Neowin logo like Secure Desktop.

i wonder how Opera feels about this lol

no but really, my only concern here is if the engine is if its detection is as bad as i hear one care's is

Some say OneCare had a great engine. Performance was fast, and it got top3 in tests, with the least false-positives out of all the AVs tested. So I don't see how that's actually bad.

Yup. Integrating Windows Defender into Morro, or the other way around, seems much better option.

Looks good, by the way. Although it needs a little work on the UI, but lets leave that for the final version.

Agreed. While I found KAV faster on multicore systems, it also had all sorts of problems I wouldn't have expected in such mature software.

I expect that Morro will replace noob AV installs (yay!) and even I will likely use it on all of my machines, EXCEPT my major one.

At least until I see how well it holds up on those... 8)

If it's anything like Defender then I think it will do well. When I used Defender it did a great job of just lurking in the shadows doing it's thing. Couldn't have been any less unobtrusive.

I think you mean any less obtrusive? Any less unobtrusive means it's very obtusive :)

I'm not trying to sound rude, just pointing out so others don't get confused

Calum said,
I think you mean any less obtrusive? Any less unobtrusive means it's very obtusive :)

Calum, I think it's your comment that doesn't make sense.

Calum said,
I think you mean any less obtrusive? Any less unobtrusive means it's very obtusive :)

I'm not trying to sound rude, just pointing out so others don't get confused :)


Yeah you're right. Got my wires crossed there. I meant to say less obtrusive.

Oh the shame...

No. I don't think so. In fact, I'm 100% sure, protocol7's statement is wrong.

"Any more unobtrusive" or "Any less obtrusive" would be the correct way :)

As I say, I'm not trying to offend or be rude. I just wanted to point it out in case anybody got confused and thought protocol7 was trying to say it was obtrusive

They should probably get some tissues to soak up the blood that will be poring out their back side once the EU gets done with them

Why would the EU care, it's not going to be bundled with Windows (AFAIK) so its no different than Windows Live Messenger or any other free application Microsoft gives away.

warwagon said,
They should probably get some tissues to soak up the blood that will be poring out their back side once the EU gets done with them :(

While I understand the sentiment, that's a revolting analogy.

warwagon said,
They should probably get some tissues to soak up the blood that will be poring out their back side once the EU gets done with them :(

Pouring.

Perhaps once the EU gets done with them, we'll all be presented with a ballot box and be forced to choose between Norton AV, McAfee, Antivirus 2009, and Morro.

Just so the consumer has a fair choice, you know.

i really hope it is not a bloatware as with many other anti-virus products as it will undo any performance benefits that windows 7 brought.

i think windows defender will be integrated with it as it is confirmed from screenshot which says virus & spyware definitions are out of date!. windows defender is already anti-spyware & it make no sense of having two.

DarkNovaGundam said,
Its an icon, does it matter if they change it so its not that same as Windows Defender?

Well, no, it doesn't matter, just can be misleding

@Magallanes - what "poo" are you talking about? Windows Defender is an awesome bit of engineering from Microsoft, and livecare for all intents and purposes was a fine bit of AV only discontinued because of the Morro project and their attempts to OEM it out were legally blocked (unlike Mcafee and Norton whose majority of consumer sales are subscriptions from preinstalls) and they couldn't hit a retail market... so I'm confused.

Rolith said,
@Magallanes - what "poo" are you talking about? Windows Defender is an awesome bit of engineering from Microsoft, and livecare for all intents and purposes was a fine bit of AV only discontinued because of the Morro project and their attempts to OEM it out were legally blocked (unlike Mcafee and Norton whose majority of consumer sales are subscriptions from preinstalls) and they couldn't hit a retail market... so I'm confused.


By the time that WLOC gets to get an oar in, prospective customers are pretty much locked up; either by their ISP (bundle deal with McAfee, such as those with Comcast and VZ), the OEM (Dell and Symantec, for example), even if the customer builds their own, a bundle deal with the motherboard OEM (ASUS, for example, has a bundle deal with Symantec) if not the manufacturer of their router (Cisco/Linksys and Trend Micro).

That's a lot of hoops that a prospective customer has to pass through, and that's just for Microsoft to have any chance at all.

The issue in this area is that the broadband ISP market here is mostly split bewtween Comcast and VZ (both of which have bundle deals with McAfee). Given that most customers that have broadband are watching their dollars these days, and I have no bone to pick with McAfee currently (since they now support Windows 7). The real issue is going to be impact on system performance: McAfee vs. free solutions such as Avast vs. Morro is going to be the real battle as far as broadband customers in this area running Windows 7 goes.

Looks interesting. We will see what the first reviews will be like. MS is defenitely keeping its finger in every pot :)
I hope this turns out to be a good product.

If this is any good, I might actually be interested *shock horror*
Every other AV has raped my system performance, so I stick with none and run all dodgy stuff in a VM and reformat every now and then.
MS can embed this mofo, interesting.

Morrowind

OneCare was good (great even) compared to most AVs in terms of performance and more then satisfactory for me in terms of security. This sounds like it's the evolution of that, and I think I might just have found a new AV

If an AV slows my PC down, I'm not going to use it. If they make this not impact resources noticeably, then I will use it. (That is if I use Windows from now on).

pretty cool, looks like they've integrated windows defender too which is nice, symantec and mcafee must be gutted, they were saying its only an antivirus, but its antivirus and antispyware and can protect you in real time not just scan.

all i want is an antivirus anyway. I dont want, or even like, those "complete internet security" packages that include av, firewall, spam filter, parental block, tube socks, kitchen sink, cheese sandwich, etc etc etc

Couldn't agree more...

In today's setup with the majority of computer users being behind some NAT based router configuration I'm still trying to find the usefulness of software firewalls for average users.

Spyder said,
all i want is an antivirus anyway. I dont want, or even like, those "complete internet security" packages that include av, firewall, spam filter, parental block, tube socks, kitchen sink, cheese sandwich, etc etc etc


Not sure, I kind of like cheese sandwich edition, I heard their latest upgrade is going to include mayo

Frazell Thomas: I agree with you about the software firewall. I'm on a NAT myself, and the number of attempted attacks on my machine has gone down to zero since then, and I never needed a software firewall.

Frazell Thomas said,
Couldn't agree more...

In today's setup with the majority of computer users being behind some NAT based router configuration I'm still trying to find the usefulness of software firewalls for average users.


It is like registry cleaners people try to sell. They convince people to buy software they don't really need or is not much if any better than the tools Windows already ships with. Since most people are not tech savvy enough to know this information, they are easily marketed to and duped into pouring out large sums of cash for software they don't even need. It is just one big and legal fraud scheme that has become highly profitable to The Geek Squad and companies like Symantec.

IPv6 however we will still filter traffic on router where all traffic will go thrue if we will want, so it wont change much i guess, but some people might want to have seperate firewalls on clients and not on router (i know i dont, at least i dont see much use of it for me atm).

michael.dobrofsky said,
Why does anyone need AV even? The best AV is common sense. I haven't run AV for years....zero viruses.

If you don't run any AV, how can you be so certain about that?

At least be a good net citizen and scan your PC at least monthly with a online virus scan. Weekly would be better but at least do it monthly to be certain.

SoLoR1 said,
IPv6 however we will still filter traffic on router where all traffic will go thrue if we will want, so it wont change much i guess, but some people might want to have seperate firewalls on clients and not on router (i know i dont, at least i dont see much use of it for me atm).


However, until/unless IPv6 gets onto the general Internet (outside of specialized backbones and intranets, IPv6 sees no basic usage, despite it being supported in at least patchable form for *eight years*, and that's just from Microsoft) there's little use for an IPv6-capable HARDWARE firewall; Windows on the client side has included an IPv6-ready software firewall since XP's Service Pack 1.
In you're wondering about the DOCSIS 3.0 standard, CableLabs includes an IPv6-ready SPI firewall in the standard, as every D3 cable HSI deployer is also looking to deploy IPv6; I have no idea whether VZ will do the same with FIOS or stick with NAT and IPv4 (which I find unlikely, as VZB is a major partner in Uncle Sam's IPv6 deployment).

soonerproud said,


It is like registry cleaners people try to sell. They convince people to buy software they don't really need or is not much if any better than the tools Windows already ships with. Since most people are not tech savvy enough to know this information, they are easily marketed to and duped into pouring out large sums of cash for software they don't even need. It is just one big and legal fraud scheme that has become highly profitable to The Geek Squad and companies like Symantec.


There are those out there that lack common-sense.

As a technician, I've certainly seen enough infections that need to be cleaned up. *That* is what technicians (and services like Geek Squad) do mostly; clean up the messes resulting from a lack of common-sense.

YOU may have common-sense; that isn't necessarily true of Aunt Jane or Cousin Bob.

well OneCare rated as one of the top anti-virus products as of May? it got top 3, and also had the least false positives out of all AV products

Glad to hear is rated well as AV, but "least false positives" is a weird metric...since having NO AV generates NO false positives. 8P

Firstly, it's a development build. Secondly, what's wrong with that? Windows Defender looked nice and the icons make sense. Its look is native to Windows 7 and Windows 7 uses those type of icons elsewhere

Consistancy is good. People complain if the interfaces change a lot, just look at the Ribbon, or Vista. But then again, people learn and find out that it's better.

We'll wait and see what the final product looks like first.

If anything I think Morrow and Defender need to share the same UI, even if they're different apps. I don't see why they should have a different UI as well.

I am a bit confused as what will happen to Defender.
The Morro screenshots clearly show it is a Spyware and Anti-Virus scanner.

@Symantec, include Windows Live Parental controls and the built in Firewall and how isn't that a full security suite?

"A full Internet security suite is what consumers require today to stay fully protected."

I agree .. AV, Firewall, Anti-malware
Too bad for symantec Windows 7 already has kick ass anti-malware and firewall capabilities built in leaving only the AV part open.

Gee will you look at that .. free AV :o
Ok so maybe a spamfilter and URL checker or something .. but who REALLY needs those?
Office has anti-spam as does 99% of all email servers.

Like you said, Outlook has spam filters, AND so does the free Windows Live Mail client as well. So that's another thing down.

And IE8 does have anti-phishing protection, aka, url checker as you put it.

I think with Morrow, MS just covered all the bases.

MMaster23 said,
"A full Internet security suite is what consumers require today to stay fully protected."

I agree .. AV, Firewall, Anti-malware
Too bad for symantec Windows 7 already has kick ass anti-malware and firewall capabilities built in leaving only the AV part open.

Gee will you look at that .. free AV :o
Ok so maybe a spamfilter and URL checker or something .. but who REALLY needs those?
Office has anti-spam as does 99% of all email servers.

Agreed. With vista, and again with Windows 7, anyone using "Internet Security Suites" are deluding themselves, and wasting their money.

AV is the last piece of the puzzle for Microsoft.

DarkNovaGundam said,
Its not that name that matters, its the product and how well it performs. =P

true. But everytime I use Bing, I remember my cousin. It just makes me angry. I hated my cousin!

Michael Jacob said,
What's with Microsoft's brand names today? They suck.
Bing is the name of my retarded cousin,
and now, Morro is a film I saw that sucked.


It's probably because MS haven't called you and asked:

- Hi, Michael here?
- Yes
- Okay, have you seen movie "Morro"?
- Yes, it sucked
- Oh, since you think it's sucked, we'd better come up with so much better code name, thanks, Michael.
- NP
- Oh, also, since you don't like your cousin, we will rebrand Bing to something else. Do you have any other names in your family which you hate? Just in case.

Michael Jacob said,
true. But everytime I use Bing, I remember my cousin. It just makes me angry. I hated my cousin!

Why? Is your cousin Steve Bing? Chandler Bing?

;)

FoxieFoxie said,


It's probably because MS haven't called you and asked:

- Hi, Michael here?
- Yes
- Okay, have you seen movie "Morro"?
- Yes, it sucked
- Oh, since you think it's sucked, we'd better come up with so much better code name, thanks, Michael.
- NP
- Oh, also, since you don't like your cousin, we will rebrand Bing to something else. Do you have any other names in your family which you hate? Just in case.

Wonderful.. just wonderful!! So Microsoft hasn't called you yet Michael Jacob for your ok to go ahead with the project until after the naming issue is resolved?

l33txp said,

Wonderful.. just wonderful!! So Microsoft hasn't called you yet Michael Jacob for your ok to go ahead with the project until after the naming issue is resolved?


All of you guys don't see it. I hope some big company would launch a product that has a name that you don't like. And then I'm gonna say like, "hello? hello? We will rebrand this blah blah for you"

Michael Jacob said,
All of you guys don't see it. I hope some big company would launch a product that has a name that you don't like. And then I'm gonna say like, "hello? hello? We will rebrand this blah blah for you"

Whooooosh! And there goes the whole point, right over your head!

Names don't matter unless they are: ****, ****, ****, *******, ass, ****, bitch, ****, dick and others like them...

Other than that, who gives a flying ****? (aside from you apparently)

Michael Jacob said,


All of you guys don't see it. I hope some big company would launch a product that has a name that you don't like. And then I'm gonna say like, "hello? hello? We will rebrand this blah blah for you"

Dude, you seriously need to work through your issues with your cousin...

Michael Jacob said,
What's with Microsoft's brand names today? They suck.
Bing is the name of my retarded cousin,
and now, Morro is a film I saw that sucked.

You forgot to mention Zune (including the term "squirting" someone), and those short-lived rebranded gamer keyboards and mice designed by Razer with the names so weird I can't even remember them. Razer Necrosis or something.

You better go check up on your retarded cousin, because I think he is working for Microsoft's marketing department.

toadeater said,
You better go check up on your retarded cousin, because I think he is working for Microsoft's marketing department.

she's a girl. and she's like 11, and she fell on her mother's arm when she's a baby that somehow made her retarded.

LOL

andrewbares said,
I just LOLed at this conversation.

Might I suggest then that you go and get some sort of psychiatric counselling.

According to Janice Chaffin, president of Symantec's Consumer Division, "Microsoft's free product is basically a stripped down version of the OneCare product Microsoft pulled from the shelves. A full Internet security suite is what consumers require today to stay fully protected."

Yeah... His gripe is my desire.

Soldiers33 said,
symantec is scared


Agreed

I haven't used a full security suite since 2003 and have relied on free anti-virus protection, yet not once has my system been compromised because I know how to secure it in the first place.

I have all my family now using the free products and they have no issues either. Symantec is just trying to sell outdated software that has become unnecessary since Vista was released. I don't even use any spyware tools any more because they just aren't needed on a standard user account with third party cookies disabled and add to that a little common sense prevention measures on top of it. Windows Firewall is now first class and light on the resources and UAC blocks almost all rootkits, unlike on XP. Add full DEP, ASLR, disabled AutoPlay and SEHOP on top of that and you have a very secure os.

Do people really use these 'full internet security' suites? They always strike me as total overkill. A monstrous collection of browser/email plugins, not-very-special firewall, a heaping tablespoon of fear mongering, and anti-virus on the side. Aside from a reflexive avoidance of everything all-in-one (I will also never buy a toaster that poaches eggs or a coffee pot with a grinder), the marketed message that we 'need' all this mess to be safe isn't true even for grandma on her Dell.

A good job configuring features already present in Windows and your router, alongside a low profile anti-virus program, and occasional cleanups by non-resident software (ccleaner? tuneup utilities? anyone?), will at the very least match (if not out-perform) the job of some resource hogging security suite, and only requires maybe 20 minutes of some 15 year old geek's time that he'd be more than happy sharing for a few bucks since American businesses these days are terrified of hiring minors and parents would rather bother the public with their crotchfruit than hire teenage babysitters.

*huff*

Endpoint will still reign supreme, but for most people this is a huge win. I hope this is good enough that I never have to install any of the current 'free' AV again.

What a laugh though. These so called security suites have been responsible for more downtime, system degredation, and user panic than any virus I've come into contact with in ages. Even NIS2009 doesn't buck this trend (I'm running fraking Vista/Win7, I don't need your 'backup' software etc)

GreyWolfSC said,
Yeah... His gripe is my desire.

Indeed - no one wants all the crap Symantec bundle into their "Internet Security" software these days. All it does is bog down your computer and suck up your bandwidth.

A nice stripped down basic function antivirus is all I want thanks.

If Microsoft are giving it away free then Symantec, your time is up!

soonerproud said,
UAC blocks almost all rootkits, unlike on XP.

That should probably be past-tense -- blocked -- at least by default from Windows 7 onwards.

(Though MS's excuses for ignoring the problem in Win7 seem to boil down to UAC not blocking rootkits in the first place -- even for standard user accounts if you follow their logic (or lack of).)

http://www.pretentiousname.com/misc/win7_uac_whitelist2.html (which now includes the source code & proof-of-concept exes).