FBI Aims for Largest Biometrics Database

The US Federal Bureau of Investigations (FBI) is embarking on a $1 billion project to build the world's largest computer database of biometrics to give the government more ways to identify people at home and abroad, the Washington Post reported on Friday. According to the paper, the FBI has already started compiling digital images of faces, fingerprints and palm patterns in its systems. In January of next year, the agency -- which focuses on violations of federal law, espionage by foreigners and terrorist activities -- expects to award a 10-year contract to expand the amount and kinds of biometric information it receives. If successful, the system, called Next Generation Identification, will collect the biometric information in one centralized location for identification and forensic purposes.

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think i heard or read somewhere that the average brit is on a few hundred databases with varying degrees of information already. whether it be to do with your taxes, or your health, schooling, credit cards you have, insurance you have for your car, etc etc...lots of people hold lots of info on you already. i'm sure this is the same in most countries.

it raises a point you can view from 2 sides of the coin. 1) with the above knowledge does it matter if they collect much of the same information again? and then 2) with that knowledge should they really need to collect more or collect it again?

pick a side i guess.

I think this is true of any Westernized nation. The problem is them now wanting your DNA, and such, to put in these databases. And of course, this is a totally different kind of databases as well.

This expensive have not link or relation with terrorism, even a dumbass known that it's impossible to detect and identify all terrorism.

For the record, actual terrorist don't visit "terrorist camps" (such Tom Clancy movies), do public manifestation or are part of some renowmed terrorist club (such Black Panter, ETA or IRA), actual terrorist work on isolated cells, virtually impossible to detect or stop. Also, there are many ways to lure terrorist wannabes such Soldier of Fortune Magazine but real terrorist. In Iraq, for example people are not terrorist but just angry mob (with reason).

So, how can you tag and identify a terrorist?.

all that cameras and finger prints on the airport are payiog by themself now. Worth the money envolved. Next stop?. The whole population.

well this has prooved my opinions on what a crap country the US actually is, next they will try to get all forensic information on thepiratebay for the database and see if they can catch them pirating or send it to big companies with lots of money of some load of rubbish!

Unfortunately the UK is heading down the same path. I have absolutely no confidence in the US or UK government obtaining and maintaining databases of evidence on large numbers of individuals... civil liberties are already being torn apart and now we have more questionable schemes like this.

The FBI, and other organisations, should do their job and investigate crimes / potential crimes rather than simply collecting biometric data on everybody with the knowledge that a certain percentage of people will commit a crime.

It gets so tiring hearing how the U.S. is spending a billion here, a few billion there, and countless billions overseas for wars. Yes you can use that same old worn out argument "if it makes me safer"

What if....just what if that went into helping people inside America, saving lives that are being lost within the country. It's frightening to see the leader of a country veto expanding health care coverage for children yet making sure that countless billions are secured every year for Iraq.

Imagine if common sense were thrown in for good measure. I remember for a very short time after the Minneapolis bridge collapse and all the news stories exposing how most of America's infrastructure is collapsing or is bandaged up...

Not much good all these databases will do if nothing is invested in the very things they are supposed to be protecting!

Didn't you know? War, and fear, are far more profitable to Corporate America, and universal health care is communism....

Foub said,
Didn't you know? War, and fear, are far more profitable to Corporate America, and universal health care is communism.... :rolleyes:

Oh yeah I did. I got talking about Canadian health care and the usual response I got was "socialized medicine is the first step down the road to communism" Like making the government unaccountable for certain things isn't one of those steps...

My best friend needs almost $40,000 in operations and doesn't have insurance, at least with some form of universal health care would have helped out.

It's already hard enough getting insurance when you don't have any and they find out that you already need help...

Indeed, why bother helping people if you're not going to make enough profit off them in the process...

acrufox said,
Oh yeah I did. I got talking about Canadian health care and the usual response I got was "socialized medicine is the first step down the road to communism" Like making the government unaccountable for certain things isn't one of those steps...

My best friend needs almost $40,000 in operations and doesn't have insurance, at least with some form of universal health care would have helped out.

It's already hard enough getting insurance when you don't have any and they find out that you already need help...

Indeed, why bother helping people if you're not going to make enough profit off them in the process...

That makes me glad I live in Canada where compassion means something. What these fools don't realize is that their way of thinking is what is destroying America and putting it near, or even at, the bottom in most things that have to do with quality of life when compared to the other Western nations. America is the only Western nation left without UHC. What good is their so-called "freedom" if they're too sick to enjoy it? They're so worried about freedom that they're lost it anyways to their fear...

Foub said,
Didn't you know? War, and fear, are far more profitable to Corporate America, and universal health care is communism.... :rolleyes:

not quite communism...but a fair way on the road towards it compared to "pay for it yourself" approach seen more in USA.

in the UK you'd get it sorted for free but you might wait a few years for it as a result.

canada is a slightly stranger example. my relatives in ontario said if they went to like BC or somewhere and got hurt they might not get covered for free...can you confirm? if true that seems woefully inept on the behalf of canada!

predator001 said,
not quite communism...but a fair way on the road towards it compared to "pay for it yourself" approach seen more in USA.

Communism is used as a fear tactic by the right-wing in the USA, that is why I said it.

in the UK you'd get it sorted for free but you might wait a few years for it as a result.

We have a triage system here. Those who really need something get it right away. Of course there are things like organ transplants that can take time, but that has more to do with people not donating and is a problem everywhere. BTW, its not exactly "free" either. You just don't have to pay directly out of pocket.

canada is a slightly stranger example. my relatives in ontario said if they went to like BC or somewhere and got hurt they might not get covered for free...can you confirm? if true that seems woefully inept on the behalf of canada!

That's news to me. I've never heard of such a thing. Universal health care is just that here, universal. Have you seen the documentary "Sicko" yet?

“Bureaucracy expands to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy.” - Oscar Wilde
"Remember that a government big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take away everything you have." - Barry Goldwater

z0phi3l said,
Well as long as you don't commit a crime or apply for a job that in some way deals with the Government, you are fine

Thanks for completely missing the point. Care to try again?

It's because of that sentiment from people like you that all this stupid bull**** gets passed that restrict our privacy and rights.

Xilo said,
It's because of that sentiment from people like you that all this stupid bull**** gets passed that restrict our privacy and rights.

He probably voted for Bush because Bush is a good Christian as well.

Great! More ways for the government to track every little thing you do and deny your privacy and see when you go to the bathroom and how bad it smells.

Lucas said,
Great! More ways for the government to track every little thing you do and deny your privacy and see when you go to the bathroom and how bad it smells.

The FBI has poop inspectors you know. They go around collecting poop for DNA samples. Wonderful job. That's what that senator was doing a few months ago when he caught got poop inspecting. He couldn't admit it publicly or it would expose the whole program.

Plus they're putting hidden cameras in all the toilets. It's been happening in Japan for years now. I can post some links to photos and videos of this, but I don't think that's allowed here on Neowin.

So watch out next time you go to a public toilet, all sorts of terrible stuff can happen.

toadeater said,

The FBI has poop inspectors you know. They go around collecting poop for DNA samples. Wonderful job. That's what that senator was doing a few months ago when he caught got poop inspecting. He couldn't admit it publicly or it would expose the whole program.

Plus they're putting hidden cameras in all the toilets. It's been happening in Japan for years now. I can post some links to photos and videos of this, but I don't think that's allowed here on Neowin.

So watch out next time you go to a public toilet, all sorts of terrible stuff can happen.

Oh crap! :eek:

Yes, this biometric data are going to be in our passports next year. This is the only how we could travel without visa to USA.

This idea worries me, a lot, especially after all the lost CD's. Even if the CD's are UK it could still happen in America.

the thing is... if this was ONLY used for terrorist activities etc it would be a good thing... but the thing is, the government cant be trusted!

as the saying goes... "absolute power, corrupts absolutely"

2xSilverKnight said,
you have no idea what you're talking about.

Yes, I do. It wouldn't be the first time American security concerns were outsourced to overseas.... Even to questionable allies.

Foub said,
I wonder if China or India will get the contract? Maybe some Middle-Eastern country....?

Frankly, I thought you were just being funny. Of course that doesn't make your statement any less valid.

These murdering sons of bitches running our country would sell their grandparents into slavery if they thought they could make a buck off of them. Nothing surprises me any more.

Octol said,
Frankly, I thought you were just being funny. Of course that doesn't make your statement any less valid.

These murdering sons of bitches running our country would sell their grandparents into slavery if they thought they could make a buck off of them. Nothing surprises me any more.

Careful or you'll get yourself put on one of those no-fly lists for talking treason like that.... After all speaking out against the Bush administration is like aiding the terrorists.