Firefox Windows 8 will embrace Metro's framework

A couple of weeks ago, Mozilla programmer Brian Bondy revealed that the actual development work for Firefox on Windows 8 Metro had officially begun. This week, Bondy gave an update on its progress on his blog site. He states:

We're now past the hardly documented parts of development we were fighting with last week, and things are really starting to heat up. From here, most WinRT development topics should be nicely documented because they are now similar to any work done in a C++ Metro application.

Bondy also gives some tidbits of what kinds of programming the team is coming up with for Windows 8 Metro. For example, he states that the browser will have an XAML window but the team will also use DirectX "to paint to it taking up the entire area of the screen." This would seem to be an example of combining both XAML and DirectX for a Metro style user interface, something which Microsoft itself talked about in a recent Windows 8 app blog post.

Bondy also said he has got the "snap" feature working with Firefox for Windows 8, meaning you can run the browser while still running and using another Metro app to the side of Firefox.

Bondy also wanted to assure Firefox users that this won't be a simple port of the browser to Windows 8, saying:

Firefox on Metro will not simply be Firefox desktop copied into the Metro environment, we are embracing the framework instead of fighting it.

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techguy77 said,
So why would i use Metro Firefox when i have Desktop version? It is beyond me.

Since you understand directory hierarchies and desktop nomenclature, I figure Metro is beyond you.

Metro is a new way of using a computer, both from a developer and end user perspective that does away with many of the complicated concepts of desktop computing which have plagued us since the command line.

I'm pretty sure Mozilla are quite happy to get GPU accelerated rendering 'for free' instead of the half-assed implementation they have in Win7.

While you as a highly technical user understand and grasp the concepts set out before you, the average user cannot, nor should they be expected to. The whole concept of Metro is to move computing beyond those that 'get it', and give it to those who can most benefit.

This is a new revolution, where computing isn't just for the geeks who get it, but rather for everyone to enjoy.

Look at oliver's post about his mom, then you might start to get it.

Do we need one way of computing for the masses, and retain an outdated, outmoded model that is only really understood by less than 10% of the computing population.

I think not.

So Why would you use it. You won't; and the rest of us see that as a good thing.

dotf said,

Since you understand directory hierarchies and desktop nomenclature, I figure Metro is beyond you.

Metro is a new way of using a computer, both from a developer and end user perspective that does away with many of the complicated concepts of desktop computing which have plagued us since the command line.

I'm pretty sure Mozilla are quite happy to get GPU accelerated rendering 'for free' instead of the half-assed implementation they have in Win7.

While you as a highly technical user understand and grasp the concepts set out before you, the average user cannot, nor should they be expected to. The whole concept of Metro is to move computing beyond those that 'get it', and give it to those who can most benefit.

This is a new revolution, where computing isn't just for the geeks who get it, but rather for everyone to enjoy.

Look at oliver's post about his mom, then you might start to get it.

Do we need one way of computing for the masses, and retain an outdated, outmoded model that is only really understood by less than 10% of the computing population.

I think not.

So Why would you use it. You won't; and the rest of us see that as a good thing.

There is a problem with this statement of yours. Just happens that non power user understand Desktop more than Metro, and i am gonna laugh my ass off when Metro finally becomes Epic Failure. Windows Phone 7 is epic failure. I own one and i haven't met a single person in a town where i live with another one. For phone is ok but if you install 60+ apps and you pin them it is crap.

I will talk to you about this in hmmm January next year

techguy77 said,
There is a problem with this statement of yours. Just happens that non power user understand Desktop more than Metro


There are hundreds of thousands of hours in usability studies and Millions of telemetry reports from windows users that prove otherwise.

No one outside of those employed by technology truly understands why we make it so difficult for them. That's why people move to iThings, because they just work. No one has to teach an OSX user UNIX, although they could get so much more out of the system if they did.

Likewise, with the Windows Runtime, the learning curve for NEW developers is lessened to the point we'll see unique apps that weren't possible by desktop coders who understood what complexities it takes to make an application.

When you reduce the plumbing effort required by developers, they can focus on experience.
As you say, time will tell.

Firefox has still lost its way or people would be using the last two recent releases. Solve that problem first Mozilla.

I don't known why some people not liking win 8 has for me its better than win 7 when its compare with speed like installing application and start up except metro is any problem in win 8 comparing with win 7.

It baffles me how so many companies are going forward with metro apps, even popular companies like Mozilla and Google, yet somehow all these self-proclaimed power users seem to think windows 8 is going to fail because of metro.

I showed metro to my mom, someone who has never seemed to understand how to use windows and after explaining how to get to the start screen, switch apps, and open the charms bar she was using it with no problem. Now telling her how to find a program by clicking start, all programs and then looking for the name of a program wasn't that easy on windows XP, and searching for it on windows 7 made things easier, but nowhere near as easy as start screen+search in windows 8. On top of that everything that she needs to use is right there on the start screen in big bold live tiles.

I also keep about how corporate users will have a hard time with it, which just seems crazy. I'm in the air force right now and the way our computers are set up all the programs we need are either set as icons on the desktop or pinned to the task bar. Only the comm squadron can install new programs and when they do they add them to the desktop. I can't think of a corporate environment in which you'd need to constantly be using the start menu. I imagine once they roll out windows 8 our computers will be configured with all the apps we use right on the start screen with everything else locked down.

TsarNikky said,
What is this going to do to the reliability of FireFox on laptops and desktops running Windows-7?

Absolutely nothing.

Metro/WinRT runs in isolation from the desktop. This is a NEW product for a NEW OS.

Unless you're talking about resources at Mozilla being lost to Metro work, instead of desktop work, but I wouldn't worry, Mozilla have a lot of developers. Your browser on your legacy OS works just fine.

Heck XP still runs FF like a champ, so don't expect Mozilla to give up on the classic desktop just because Metro exists.

i dunno why mozilla and other companies have to make a "special" version for w8? i still say this will be the worst product microsoft has put out next to windows me. you watch how many end up sticking to w7 including myself and pretty much everyone i know.

smooth3006 said,
i dunno why mozilla and other companies have to make a "special" version for w8? i still say this will be the worst product microsoft has put out next to windows me. you watch how many end up sticking to w7 including myself and pretty much everyone i know.

I'd give you a cookie but I'm afraid I'd hope for you to choke on the Metro I put in it.

Companies want as many users as they can get, if that means embracing Metro then so be it. Microsoft isn't just going to rip it out and say goodbye to it before final release. People WILL use it as their OS, even if you choose not to. You and everyone you know does not equal the entire market share of Windows.

smooth3006 said,
i dunno why mozilla and other companies have to make a "special" version for w8? i still say this will be the worst product microsoft has put out next to windows me. you watch how many end up sticking to w7 including myself and pretty much everyone i know.

On the scale of 1 to 10, 1 being Vista and 10 being ME how worse do you think Windows 8 will be?

akav0id said,

On the scale of 1 to 10, 1 being Vista and 10 being ME how worse do you think Windows 8 will be?

i used both ME and vista so im not sure. i just don't think the metro interface will go over well with the general public especially on a desktop platform. tablets "maybe"?

Ninja Grinch said,

I'd give you a cookie but I'm afraid I'd hope for you to choke on the Metro I put in it.

im glad you like metro but a "ton" of users do not including neobond. is he a troll too?

smooth3006 said,
i dunno why mozilla and other companies have to make a "special" version for w8? i still say this will be the worst product microsoft has put out next to windows me. you watch how many end up sticking to w7 including myself and pretty much everyone i know.


Right on, buddy! We need to rise up and reject Windows 8, and any company that supports it until they give us our desktop back!

/s

smooth3006 said,

im glad you like metro but a "ton" of users do not including neobond. is he a troll too?

I never said it was flawless, it does have its flaws. I am just saying Microsoft is very unlikely to just drop/scrap it from Windows 8.

I do like it, I do see its advantages and I see its disadvantages right now. Since it (the Consumer Preview) is not feature complete yet I'm reserving final judgement for RC/Business Preview

Edit: Also, at what point did I call you a troll?

smooth3006 said,
i dunno why mozilla and other companies have to make a "special" version for w8? i still say this will be the worst product microsoft has put out next to windows me. you watch how many end up sticking to w7 including myself and pretty much everyone i know.

Metro isn't going away. To Microsoft this paradigm represents the way forward for them. Right now it's a bat shaky (That's to be expected), but 5 years from now, 10 years from now, we'll be using it like it's nothing.

smooth3006 said,

im glad you like metro but a "ton" of users do not including neobond. is he a troll too?

At least you admit you're trolling.

Awesome to hear they are 'embracing the framework instead of fighting it"
I cant wait to see what other browsers choose to do with tabs, snapping, and combining with the desktop version.
Mostly I cant wait to see if FF is still a slow program after Metrofication.

I hope they add the ability to have two tabs open next to each other, it's something I really wish ie10 metro would have. I hate having to go back into the desktop mode just to have two ie windows open side by side.

The fact that you hope Microsoft will actually do what YOU want and NOT what they want to push on to you is what they use to justify decimating their products. Learn to outright reject that which sucks.

well that's why competition in the browser market is great, if Firefox or Chrome can have side by side tabs in metro then I'm going to be using them. I don't think there is anything in the guidelines that says it can't be done. right now I use IE10, if others implement it that could force MS to add that feature.