Five unique features which may lead to Surface's success

Since the conference Microsoft held yesterday, many news blogs including us have done a decent job in keeping users informed about what we can expect to see from Microsoft’s new tablet and how it will run Windows 8 and Windows RT. However, many are wondering whether this tablet is really the next big thing, or simply just another alternative tablet to use. Here’s where we come in; we thought we’d highlight five features that make this tablet unique when comparing it to formidable competition such as the iPad.

Keyboard

We’ve lived in a decade where we’ve swiftly had to adapt to on-screen touch keyboards and whilst it's never a bad thing to adapt to modern technology, touch-keyboards still have nothing when compared to how productive physical keys are. Whether you’re writing documents, sending an email or just gaming, the option to use a physical keyboard is somewhat mandatory if we want to get our daily tasks done efficiently and this where the Surface keyboard comes in.

The Surface keyboard will be part of the Microsoft Surface’s Touch Cover, which is connected with magnets and flips open from the main housing. There will be two versions of the keyboard, one with pressure-sensitive flat keys and another with more traditional raised keys called a Type Cover.

From stock, these keyboard offerings are superior to the third-party keyboards that are available for the iPad. The Touch Cover is 3 millimetres thick, and the Type Cover is 5 millimetres. And for the style-sensitive among us, they'll come in a variety of colours, including black, pink, red and blue.

In our opinion, if you add the keyboard, trackpad and built-in "kickstand," you've got greater usability features that current iPads simply do not offer or possess.

Size

We’ll give credit where it’s due and say that Apple has made a great attempt at making a sleek, stylish and thin tablet to the extent that other tablets simply look inferior but for the Microsoft Surface, is a completely different story.

One advantage that the Surface has over Apple’s iPad is that the Surface’s screen 10.6 inches – which is almost a full inch bigger than the iPad's. Microsoft also claims that the screen is optimized to have the same dimensions as movie screens, which means those black bars at the top and bottom when watching videos should be completely gone.

The Surface for Windows RT is smaller than the iPad by a millimetre (9.3 vs. 9.4), while the heftier Windows 8 Pro model will be 13.5 millimeters. The RT weighs virtually the same as the iPad (it's less than an ounce heavier), while the Pro will be around 2 pounds.

USB ports

Both versions of the Surface come with two USB ports which makes it convenient to transfer data to and from your device. The RT version comes with USB 2.0 ports and the Windows Pro sports USB 3.0 ports. The implementation of USB ports eliminates the need to use cloud storage as a means of printing, and storing certain data and just replying on physical quick connections – this is something we believe Microsoft has taken on-board and overcome when reviewing the problem factors of Apple’s iPad.

Power

Microsoft has an aim to ensure that it will combine the best of both worlds and allow users to complete their daily computing tasks, just as efficiently as they would from a PC.

A tablet have always been a hybrid between the transition of general computers and smartphones, but Microsoft wants this to change and is insisting that with the upcoming Office 15 running on its Metro interface, and the ability to use physical keyboards that the Surface is really one of the only tablets you can do work on.

The Windows Pro model of the surface will run on an i5 Intel processor and will come with up to 128 gigabytes of internal memory – which again overshadows the iPad, as the iPad only goes up to 64GB.

It is unknown what the speed of the processor is in the Windows RT version of the Surface.

Xbox SmartGlass

The Xbox SmartGlass feature is a feature that Microsoft’s gaming division rolled out at this month's E3 video gaming expo, and will work on the iPad and various Android tablets. However, it is assumed that Microsoft will be optimizing the technology for its own piece of hardware – which Microsoft then hope will make the Xbox the number one console for media and gaming.

SmartGlass will enable users to connect a smartphone or tablet with the Xbox, and allow them to access new content. For example: users can watch a movie on their television with the Xbox, while getting bonus material on their tablet, however, at this time we’re unaware of what content Microsoft plans on offering.

Whether the SmartGlass feature will work is something we’ll have to wait and see, but we will say that if it does, Microsoft's push to bring all of a user's devices together within the flexible Windows 8 system could change the devices we use and the way we do things in future.

What are your opinions? Do you think Microsoft has what it takes to beat the competition in the tablet market? Let us know in the comments below.

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Have to persuade my parents to buy me this.... Cant see it happening as they will not take into consideration the differences between this device and my iPad...

One point, the USB port doesnt mean a lot if the device cant power the drive, that'll rule out portable drives, theyve not clerly mentioned it tho...
also the pricing , especially of the Pro, will decide if CAN be an ipad killer, the lower end ARM processor based ones arent really ipad killers IMO

mohan_168 said,
One point, the USB port doesnt mean a lot if the device cant power the drive, that'll rule out portable drives, theyve not clerly mentioned it tho...
also the pricing , especially of the Pro, will decide if CAN be an ipad killer, the lower end ARM processor based ones arent really ipad killers IMO

External USB drives have their own power source (they aren't bus-powered) - hence that's not really an excuse for Android tablets not supporting them. (What is the reality is that Android - not Windows RT - is a real *phone OS*; smartphones - not tablets - are Android's primary platform.)

The Surface RT can be an iPad killer - however, that's more a software (not hardware) issue. The entire RT hardware space will live and die due to apps (compared to Android and iOS). Surface Pro (and Ultrabooks in general - especially with the benchmark Ultrabook Surface Pro) can be the one thing the MacBook Air really hasn't had - quality-made competition that can undercut it on price. So far, the high-quality Ultrabooks have been pretty much business/enterprise/channel-only - you're not seeing them retail (I'm referring to the HP Folio in particular). Ultrabook (any Ultrabook) vs. the iPad is apples vs. oranges - comparing the two is not really fair to either. However, Surface RT v. iPad (or Surface Pro vs. MacBook Air) makes all SORTS of sense.

mohan_168 said,
One point, the USB port doesnt mean a lot if the device cant power the drive, that'll rule out portable drives, theyve not clerly mentioned it tho...
also the pricing , especially of the Pro, will decide if CAN be an ipad killer, the lower end ARM processor based ones arent really ipad killers IMO

Here's one point: the non- pro surface won't be running photoshop anytime soon either.
From the windows 8 RT Wikipedia entry:
"It will officially only run software available through the Windows Store or included in Windows RT including Microsoft Word, Excel, PowerPoint, and OneNote as standard."

The main reason I would buy a tablet is to read documents/books/web pages and handwriting recognition, so I can be able to write with the pen on the Pro version. I'm not sure if this is the correct time to buy one, sinse there is a delay yet, but it is a big way to go.

well and let's not forget, the ipad won't be running Adobe Lightroom and full blown photoshop any time soon. that essentially criples it permanently.

The Gunslinger said,
That smartglass feature reminds me of the Wii-U...

All of which, remind me of Sony's Remote Play feature

In a way your wrong about the same dimensions as a movie screen, 1366x768 is 16:9 which some movies are still in, but most are in the ultra wide 21:9, so most likely you will still have those black bars if you plan on watching any modern movies.

5 unique advantages:
1. Vapor
2. Microsofts strong history of quality hardware manufacturing
3. Xbox (what?)
4. Bing
5. Reusing the name of their last vaporware touchscreen product

seriously I am looking forward to windows 8 tablets, and microsofts in particular, and I really hope they pull it off, because as much as I love my iPad, I need my windows on the go, for work and play. And nothing makes quality like competition.

daniel_rh said,
With Ultrabooks costing more than 1000$, this Pro for 799-899$ sounds like a deal! Give me mine!!

My thoughts exactly. The Surface Pro is exactly what I've been looking for.

The best part about this entire announcement is how much MG Siegler thinks it is going to fail. If he has such a stick up his ____ about it, then it must be good.

The RT version will be good competition for the iPad although it will need several years to compete. Low number of applications available for the RT version will pay a significant role on how this will succeed in gaining market share. I believe that this will mostly gain marketshare at the expense of android tablets!

However the x86 version which is heavier, thicker will be basically a competitor to the ultra books on the market, i believe that the higher price won't make it a worthy replacement of Ultabooks since it will be thick heavy for a tablet, and not so powerful as an ultra book. Also 99% of the x86 applications are not touch friendly so overall user experience will be bad when used as a tablet. tech savvy people might opt for this but this certainly won't be a choice of the average family member!

Rudy said,
The only thing it has over the iPad is the cover. I would love that cover for the iPad

I'm sure a 3rd party will come out with one. People seem to be forgetting that there is nothing special about a keyboard on a tablet.

Rudy said,
The only thing it has over the iPad is the cover. I would love that cover for the iPad

You missed USB and SD card slot .Oh and the Kickstand. Also a Real Pen .Wait! It run Windows.

gawicks said,

You missed USB and SD card slot .Oh and the Kickstand. Also a Real Pen .Wait! It run Windows.

USB and SD card slot - Nothing unique there since many Android devices have it and also the iPad. http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC531ZM/A

Kickstand - Nothing unique about a kickstand. All tablets have accessories that can be bought that does this.

Real Pen - Just because you give it a fancy name, doesn't mean it isn't just another stylus. You can go to Wal-Mart and pick one up for $15 that works on almost all tablets/phones. Also, Galaxy Note. Enough said.

InB4 its a basic built-in feature, not an added cost accessory. Sure you can argue that, but anyone with common sense will ask how those features are worth hundreds of dollars when you can buy all those features as accessories for less than $100.

In fact, look up the Viewsonic G-Tablet Case and USB Keyboard with Kick Stand. $18 on Amazon. Add another $15 for the stylus at Wal-Mart and now you are at $33. That's $33 dollars for the same functionality on a device that costs hundreds more.

The only real advantage is that it can run Windows 8. Stop acting like everything else is anything special. Stop being a fanboy, use some common sense, and come back to reality. The only real news here is we have Windows running on a tablet which we have been expecting for a while now considering that is what Windows 8 was built for. Other than that, its just another tablet.


And to be clear, I am not saying its a bad device. At most, its going to be overpriced for what it is. The features that are being praised here are old features with new names and nothing more. However, I will be getting one because I could use Windows on the go. Have some nice ideas for putting it into my car.

Really ? So you are happy to buy all Accessories and let Apple sell you a bare bones device .So when Microsoft gives you all these integrated you say there's no value in it?

For me it's the whole package that makes it worthwhile. I personally don't see the argument when you say there's this accessory that accessory etc; I don't want to worry about how to brute force capabilities out of devices that weren't built for the experience. Say ipad ; Was it built for Pen input? Was it built for File management on SD cards ? Does it offer all the goodness a built in USB port has to offer ? No . And I where did I talk about Android. Android tabs have some decent hardware , but Windows would offer a better experience. There is no argument about that.
Stop being an apologist for Apple . ipad is a beautiful device but Apple is arrogant . They would happily charge you for every little thing that a consumer expects from a modern computing device.I'm happy that Microsoft is raising the bar for Apple and the rest of the OEMs .It's a win for the consumer.
You have your opinion and I have mine But that doesn't make me a fan boy any less than you are.

gawicks said,
Really ? So you are happy to buy all Accessories and let Apple sell you a bare bones device .So when Microsoft gives you all these integrated you say there's no value in it?

For me it's the whole package that makes it worthwhile. I personally don't see the argument when you say there's this accessory that accessory etc; I don't want to worry about how to brute force capabilities out of devices that weren't built for the experience. Say ipad ; Was it built for Pen input? Was it built for File management on SD cards ? Does it offer all the goodness a built in USB port has to offer ? No . And I where did I talk about Android. Android tabs have some decent hardware , but Windows would offer a better experience. There is no argument about that.
Stop being an apologist for Apple . ipad is a beautiful device but Apple is arrogant . They would happily charge you for every little thing that a consumer expects from a modern computing device.I'm happy that Microsoft is raising the bar for Apple and the rest of the OEMs .It's a win for the consumer.
You have your opinion and I have mine But that doesn't make me a fan boy any less than you are.


I prefer Android devices first of all since I like making random pointless apps. You really just made the argument that $33 worth of "features" is worth hundreds of dollars more because it comes in the same box. The fact that an overpriced Apple product costs less than this even when you factor in buying extra accessories is just sad. Apple's price points have never been hard to beat and yet Microsoft can't. That's just sad.

ILikeTobacco said,

I'm sure a 3rd party will come out with one. People seem to be forgetting that there is nothing special about a keyboard on a tablet.

Except that most tablets come with virtual (not physical QWERTY) keyboards as standard - in fact, name ONE tablet other than Surface that includes a standard physical keyboard.

I loathe and despise virtual keyboards - all of them; it is, in fact, my particular peeve with tablets as a group. (The same applies to smartphones - I have never, in fact, recommended a smartphone that lacks a physical keyboard.)

PGHammer said,

Except that most tablets come with virtual (not physical QWERTY) keyboards as standard - in fact, name ONE tablet other than Surface that includes a standard physical keyboard.

I loathe and despise virtual keyboards - all of them; it is, in fact, my particular peeve with tablets as a group. (The same applies to smartphones - I have never, in fact, recommended a smartphone that lacks a physical keyboard.)


Go on amazon and you can find specific keyboards for most tablets. It's nothing new. You are paying more for less cardboard/packaging and that's what it comes down to. I'm not saying they are bad features, I am saying, they are nothing special and not worth paying 100s more for when you can get them for $33.

Well none of those are unique.....

"existing as the only one or as the sole example; single; solitary in type or characteristics"

Keyboard - been done
Size - same as iPad
USB - Android has lots of them
Power - may be better may be worse who knows
XBox Glass - been done loads of times before and never worked then either.

Don't get me wrong they could be great tablets but they most certainly are not unique.

Depicus said,
Well none of those are unique.....

"existing as the only one or as the sole example; single; solitary in type or characteristics"

Keyboard - been done
Size - same as iPad
USB - Android has lots of them
Power - may be better may be worse who knows
XBox Glass - been done loads of times before and never worked then either.

Don't get me wrong they could be great tablets but they most certainly are not unique.


What about the stand? AFAIK there's no device with their own stand.

Depicus said,
Well none of those are unique.....

"existing as the only one or as the sole example; single; solitary in type or characteristics"

Keyboard - Hasn't been done quite this way before. It IS unique.
Size - one is a hair smaller, one is larger, screens are both larger
USB - So Android has it. Not nearly as useful as it is with windows though.
Power - RT 'should' be comparable to iPad, Pro will blow it away.
XBox Glass - Not sure what you mean... SmartGlass is pretty new.

Don't get me wrong they could be great tablets but they most certainly are not unique.

Fixed a couple of things.

I think its pretty innovative

Keyboard - third party addons are crappy and none of the keyboards are integrated into the cover let alone 3mm thin.
Size - try watching a 16:9 aspect ratio movie on an already tiny ipad screen. 25% of the screen is covered by black bars.
USB - Yeah android has it but its practically useless. Can you say burn a bluray dvd using an external burner with an android tablet? Don't think so.
Power - I think they're talking about processing power. Again we'll talk when you can run Crysis or Autodesk Maya on an android.
XBox Glass - Can't say anything now but it's a nice addon.

Transformer series has keyboards might not be 3 mnemonic thin but it's a
real keyboard. Autoed Maya? On a 10 inch screen? Crisis on a tablet? If it's able to run crysis fluid then it's going to have a sucky battery life. Also windows etc is not going to run autodesk software or crisis. Transformer tf700 screen is 1920x1200 which means full HD with little to no bars.

gzAsher said,
I think its pretty innovative

Keyboard - third party addons are crappy and none of the keyboards are integrated into the cover let alone 3mm thin.
Size - try watching a 16:9 aspect ratio movie on an already tiny ipad screen. 25% of the screen is covered by black bars.
USB - Yeah android has it but its practically useless. Can you say burn a bluray dvd using an external burner with an android tablet? Don't think so.
Power - I think they're talking about processing power. Again we'll talk when you can run Crysis or Autodesk Maya on an android.
XBox Glass - Can't say anything now but it's a nice addon.

True
True
Can you with these tablets ?
Power is not unique and I very much doubt either of these would work very well on a tablet.
True but the PSP did it years go

Again "unique" no, nice tablet yes.

gzAsher said,
I think its pretty innovative

Keyboard - third party addons are crappy and none of the keyboards are integrated into the cover let alone 3mm thin.

Logitech makes some very good keyboard/cover combo for the iPad.

sjms said,
the TF700 isn't anything at the moment. its not out in the wild for consumer consumption

Surface is not either.

The day that they make a 15.6" size I may consider buying one, That's it!!

BTW, Don't say anything stupid about battery life cause I don't care.

Keyboard? Transformer pad tf300/tf700 have such a feature.
Sige? Transformers have the 16:10 ratio. Tf700 is 1920 by 1200. It's also thinner 8.5mm.
Power? Tegra 3. But well core i5 is pretty cool but wonder what the battery life will be like.

the unique feature is able to torrent stuff on the desktop..and a usb port just by surface which the ipad doesn't include. these two feature is great!

Does any one know it any of the Surface tablets have SIM card slots? , are these tablets will be WIFI only?.
Not many people are taking that into consideration. But then again you can always use USB WIFI internet dongles ..

rfirth said,
Keyboard, size, USB ports, power, Xbox SmartGlass? I'm guessing you got the idea for this article from CNN?

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/19/...oft-surface-ipad/index.html

"Got the idea" is a bit of an understatement. The "author" still managed to introduce additional errors rewriting parts of the original article:

"is a fraction of a millimeter thinner than the iPad (9.3 vs. 9.4)"
vs.
"is smaller than the iPad by a millimetre (9.3 vs. 9.4)"

I think it will be a real challenge to the iPad. What I'm missing though is 3G or 4G. Havin this onboard is crucial for it success in Europe.

Just my 5 Cents,

shortie

shortie said,
I think it will be a real challenge to the iPad. What I'm missing though is 3G or 4G. Havin this onboard is crucial for it success in Europe.

Just my 5 Cents,

shortie

USB

Enron said,
I don't know anyone who uses the 3G on the iPad. I don't know what the wifi coverage is like in Europe though.

My iPads are WiFi only. My Android tablet is WiFi/3G, though.

I really don't see the big fuss myself. Its most redeeming feature is the add-on keyboard/cover, which effectively makes it a laptop. So unless this thing costs considerably less than a comparative laptop, what's the point?

Then again, I don't see the point in tablets to begin with. Just a "toy" to me, bar a few specific workplace scenarios I can think of.

Fourjays said,
I really don't see the big fuss myself. Its most redeeming feature is the add-on keyboard/cover, which effectively makes it a laptop. So unless this thing costs considerably less than a comparative laptop, what's the point?

Sometimes it's a tablet. Sometimes it's a laptop. It's only a laptop when you want it to be.

Personally, I want a docking solution for Microsoft Surface that is more like the ASUS Transformer Prime, but this is pretty slick.

rfirth said,

Sometimes it's a tablet. Sometimes it's a laptop. It's only a laptop when you want it to be.

Personally, I want a docking solution for Microsoft Surface that is more like the ASUS Transformer Prime, but this is pretty slick.


Did you checkout the ASUS Transformer Book? It's pretty slick as well and comes at 11.4 with a detachable dock and Core i proccessor (engadget mentions i7 but I'm not sure if that's correct)

Fourjays said,
I really don't see the big fuss myself. Its most redeeming feature is the add-on keyboard/cover, which effectively makes it a laptop. So unless this thing costs considerably less than a comparative laptop, what's the point?

Then again, I don't see the point in tablets to begin with. Just a "toy" to me, bar a few specific workplace scenarios I can think of.

This is something that always puzzled me: I have a Tablet, an ancient Toshiba M400 Convertible. The device gives me an excellent and, at its time of course, top of the line laptop plus all the benefits of a Tablet. Note that for me the main reason to give up with a classic laptop and go the Tablet way was, and still is, the handwriting capability. I do not understand why people feel the need for a laptop AND a Tablet when a seven years old device as mine offers you both in a single piece of hardware.
IMO the confusion started when Apple launched the iPad labelling it as a Tablet while, at least for me, a device without the ability to handwrite on it as if it was a notepad is not a true Tablet.
Personally I find these MS devices interesting but I will buy another convertible Tablet with a big HD and a powerful processor; I am not heading to the mountains of Afghanistan so I am quite sure that during the day I can find, if I need it, a wall socket to recharge my device.
Just my opinion of course...

Fourjays said,
I really don't see the big fuss myself. Its most redeeming feature is the add-on keyboard/cover, which effectively makes it a laptop. So unless this thing costs considerably less than a comparative laptop, what's the point?

Then again, I don't see the point in tablets to begin with. Just a "toy" to me, bar a few specific workplace scenarios I can think of.

See, I feel Apple made tablets 'toy' like. I think MS can actually take it and say "no, this CAN be a productivity tool if it's done right." Time will tell.

laserfloyd said,

See, I feel Apple made tablets 'toy' like. I think MS can actually take it and say "no, this CAN be a productivity tool if it's done right." Time will tell.

Productive for what though? This is where I have the issue. A friend works in a hospital IT department and says a lot of doctors there use tablets for taking notes, looking up patient info, etc. I get that kind of scenario as it is effectively a replacement for the old clipboard/paper/pencil. But outside of specific scenarios like that, I just don't get them, especially at a consumer level.

How about situations where you're doing photo / video editing? CAD? 3d Modeling? Touch Screen to augment mouse and keyboard has HUGE possibilities. Then, when you take it to a meeting or to show your boss, you still have a UI / OS designed to be used by touch alone.

These will be perfect for students for note-taking and potentially could replace school books as well, providing you could find the books you need as ebooks. For the rest of us they just have a lot of fun potential. I don't think most people need tablets, but if you currently use a laptop it shouldn't be a stretch to see how these could easily replace them.

laserfloyd said,

See, I feel Apple made tablets 'toy' like. I think MS can actually take it and say "no, this CAN be a productivity tool if it's done right." Time will tell.

So far, the market hasn't agreed with you. As to using them to replace a laptop or a PC, the screen is woefully small. As a tablet, it's a fine size. But I have enough trouble with standard sized monitors I couldn't work with that sized screen at all.

laserfloyd said,

See, I feel Apple made tablets 'toy' like. I think MS can actually take it and say "no, this CAN be a productivity tool if it's done right." Time will tell.

Oh- and yes, the XBox stuff SCREAMS corporate tool.

calimike said,
DigiTimes say Windows 8 Pro-based and Windows RT Surface expected to be US$799 and US$599 -- http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20120619PD210.html

I think $799 for the Pro, well, which one though 64 or 128? Either way I think that price is fine for the type of device the Pro is and what it can do. I think the base RT 32GB model will be less though, just my guess but I'd say $399 for that one.

calimike said,
DigiTimes say Windows 8 Pro-based and Windows RT Surface expected to be US$799 and US$599 -- http://goo.gl/smIsg

Microsoft Surface vs. Apple iPad - a Visual Comparison http://goo.gl/EuuCm

I hope not - $599 is more expensive than the iPad and I really hope they are going a bit under that price. I know you get a lot of hardware, but also the covers will probably not be free, so you need to add that to the price as well. $599 for the RT with cover would be acceptable, but lower is always better.
However, if they really want to make a dent in the iPad/Android-market, they will need a lower price point. Sure, we here would be willing to pay $599, but Joe Average probably will not.
Well, I guess it's just wait and see but I'm really looking forward to getting one

calimike said,
DigiTimes say Windows 8 Pro-based and Windows RT Surface expected to be US$799 and US$599 -- http://goo.gl/smIsg

Microsoft Surface vs. Apple iPad - a Visual Comparison http://goo.gl/EuuCm

They list they wrong screen resolution for MS Surface RT in your second link. It's not 1280x720, it's 1366x768, right?

rfirth said,

They list they wrong screen resolution for MS Surface RT in your second link. It's not 1280x720, it's 1366x768, right?

That's the res everyone thinks it is because that's the base needed to use Win8 metro snap. The official surface specs just say ClearType HD and for the Pro ClearType Full HD which should be 1920x1080.

It's a safe bet though, but maybe MS will surprise and it could be a bit higher? 1440x900?

rvdv said,

I hope not - $599 is more expensive than the iPad and I really hope they are going a bit under that price. I know you get a lot of hardware, but also the covers will probably not be free, so you need to add that to the price as well. $599 for the RT with cover would be acceptable, but lower is always better.
However, if they really want to make a dent in the iPad/Android-market, they will need a lower price point. Sure, we here would be willing to pay $599, but Joe Average probably will not.
Well, I guess it's just wait and see but I'm really looking forward to getting one

i think they said each Surface comes with a cover.

rvdv said,

I hope not - $599 is more expensive than the iPad and I really hope they are going a bit under that price. I know you get a lot of hardware, but also the covers will probably not be free, so you need to add that to the price as well. $599 for the RT with cover would be acceptable, but lower is always better.
However, if they really want to make a dent in the iPad/Android-market, they will need a lower price point. Sure, we here would be willing to pay $599, but Joe Average probably will not.
Well, I guess it's just wait and see but I'm really looking forward to getting one

I personally hope they're going for $499 too, but you are getting a significantly more compelling product versus the iPad don't forget, plus it's got the Windows brand behind it, that's a big factor too.

Enron said,
That sounds low for the pro and high for the RT, but I'll buy twelve of each.

I's also expect there to be more of a difference in price as the said the pro will be competitive with the ultrabooks, aren't they all over $1k?

rvdv said,

I hope not - $599 is more expensive than the iPad and I really hope they are going a bit under that price. I know you get a lot of hardware, but also the covers will probably not be free, so you need to add that to the price as well. $599 for the RT with cover would be acceptable, but lower is always better.
However, if they really want to make a dent in the iPad/Android-market, they will need a lower price point. Sure, we here would be willing to pay $599, but Joe Average probably will not.
Well, I guess it's just wait and see but I'm really looking forward to getting one

It's the Windows RT version that's going to be in direct competition with the iPad, though, with the Pro version competing with ultrabooks (or the Macbook Air).

glyfz said,

I's also expect there to be more of a difference in price as the said the pro will be competitive with the ultrabooks, aren't they all over $1k?

If I had to guess, $499 for the RT and $999 for the Pro.

Ugh, I shouldn't post when I just wake up. Obviously you knew that already. I still think $600 is reasonable for RT with the touch cover and other things about the tablet to (to me) make it much more appealing than the iPad, but of course I'd rather pay $500 or less.

glyfz said,

I's also expect there to be more of a difference in price as the said the pro will be competitive with the ultrabooks, aren't they all over $1k?

They are now but Intel has said a few times officially that they want to drop Ultrabook prices lower. Really the price could be anything from $700-$1500 for an Ultrabook I think.

ikyouCrow said,

i think they said each Surface comes with a cover.

They made it seem like an Add-On in the video. Possible that it would come with TouchCover and TypeCover is seperate though?

Double counterattack - Surface RT against the iPad, and Surface Pro against the MacBook. Not to mention they makes for one heck of a benchmark for other RT tablets and Ultrabooks.

I said it before, and I say it again - quality products at quality prices - Microsoft strikes again!

PGHammer said,
Double counterattack - Surface RT against the iPad, and Surface Pro against the MacBook. Not to mention they makes for one heck of a benchmark for other RT tablets and Ultrabooks.

I said it before, and I say it again - quality products at quality prices - Microsoft strikes again!

As you haven't touched one, you can't assume quality, regardless of what writers tell you. I've seen many products from many companies that had fanbois all in a lather, only to be dead on arrival. Let's sort out the results when there actually IS a product. Getting all jiggly over a product 6 months away and comparing it to a year old product is a bit disingenuous. You act as though competitors have nothing they will introduce before these wander out into the market and must fend for themselves.

articuno1au said,
Assuming the final product ends up being as good as this looks, I'll be one of the first in line for the pro version >.<
Only if you can beat me to the door!

I'd have been happier with the article if it had tried harder to stick to what the unique features are without indulging so heavily in the comparison with iPads.

These tablets are many months away and some of the comparisons aren't great with the current iPad let alone the next one.

Sticking to the unique features alone would be a lot healthier imop.

bobbba said,
I'd have been happier with the article if it had tried harder to stick to what the unique features are without indulging so heavily in the comparison with iPads.

These tablets are many months away and some of the comparisons aren't great with the current iPad let alone the next one.

Sticking to the unique features alone would be a lot healthier imop.


With the iPad being the primary competitor and holding the highest market share, it only makes sense to point out the differences. If the features are unique, it's a good idea to point out what actually makes them unique and what those different features will mean to end users.

mikeyx12 said,

With the iPad being the primary competitor and holding the highest market share, it only makes sense to point out the differences. If the features are unique, it's a good idea to point out what actually makes them unique and what those different features will mean to end users.

Yeah but you compare a product that has yet to ship with a product that is months old.

LaP said,
Yeah but you compare a product that has yet to ship with a product that is months old.
Bit difficult to compare it to the iPad 4 seeing as it's not announced and very unlikely to exist when Surface is released.

tanjiajun_34 said,
Only 1 function that makes me feel like getting it over iPad or Android tablets....
Ability to run Windows Application!!!

Yep... as long as you don't mind paying far more for the Pro model.

mikeyx12 said,

Yep... as long as you don't mind paying far more for the Pro model.

True, but I imagine .NET apps compiled for "any cpu" will run on RT straight away, and in time more programs will do this, so it you won't even need to recompile to run on both platforms.

Older applications that weren't designed for a touch screen environment won't work well in any event.

Martin5000 said,

True, but I imagine .NET apps compiled for "any cpu" will run on RT straight away, and in time more programs will do this, so it you won't even need to recompile to run on both platforms.

Older applications that weren't designed for a touch screen environment won't work well in any event.

Microsoft has said that Office 15 is the only desktop app which will run on the RT system...

tanjiajun_34 said,
Only 1 function that makes me feel like getting it over iPad or Android tablets....
Ability to run Windows Application!!!

And the USB port support. This along with the keypad is a game changer for me.

Martin5000 said,

True, but I imagine .NET apps compiled for "any cpu" will run on RT straight away, and in time more programs will do this, so it you won't even need to recompile to run on both platforms.

Older applications that weren't designed for a touch screen environment won't work well in any event.

Don't buy on a promise. Buy when it is a reality. So far with Windows 8 RT, you still need a traditional Windows computer. That means you pay a lot more for the Pro version.

tanjiajun_34 said,
Only 1 function that makes me feel like getting it over iPad or Android tablets....
Ability to run Windows Application!!!

And not any Windows Application.... But MPC!
MPC FTW!

mikeyx12 said,

Yep... as long as you don't mind paying far more for the Pro model.

Why wouldn't you want the Pro model, though? More storage, higher resolution, digital ink, USB 3.0... I'm salivating just thinking about it.

psreloaded said,

And the USB port support. This along with the keypad is a game changer for me.

Yeah because it's the only tablet with USB and an add on keyboard!

glyfz said,

Yeah because it's the only tablet with USB and an add on keyboard!

LOL. Amateurs think this is the first tablet to do that. I love the people on this site. They are always good for a laugh.

Martin5000 said,

True, but I imagine .NET apps compiled for "any cpu" will run on RT straight away, and in time more programs will do this, so it you won't even need to recompile to run on both platforms.

Unfortunately this is not true. Traditional .NET applications (ie: Winforms, WPF based) will not be able to target ARM at all. Although there is no real technical reason as to why this isn't possible, Only Apps vetted and supplied by Microsoft out of the box will be able to run in the desktop space in WindowsRT.

mikeyx12 said,

Yep... as long as you don't mind paying far more for the Pro model.

Actually it is not that much more, if you consider that to have close features (keyboard, stylus, usb, etc) you have to purchase a couple of add ons. Then, the price of the iPad becomes very close to the Pro version. Except, the pro version is much more flexible and powerful (hardware wise).

Martin5000 said,
Older applications that weren't designed for a touch screen environment won't work well in any event.
So attach a Bluetooth or USB mouse!

The touch and type covers sealed the deal for this tablet for many people IMO. Otherwise it's just a really well built and good looking tablet, which is good on it's own but as a total package the covers just nail it I think. Add the USB ports too and dual wifi antenna etc. So far from all we know of the specs they're looking good.

tomcoleman said,
THIS LOOKS AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well done MS!!!

Indeed. Now, let's use that USB3.0 port to drive a full desktop monitor, external hard drive, gigabit ethernet, etc. with a docking station when we're at home or the office, yes? 8D