Former Chief Apple Evangelist calls new connector “arrogance”

The iPod connector is a famous part of the iOS ecosystem. It allows devices to do a variety of things, from charging, to presenting on projectors and televisions, to connecting to accessories. But that connection has now changed.

For manufacturers, this means retooling equipment and designing to meet new specifications. Stocks that they had been working on may no longer be so valuable, but designing to the new specification breaks compatibility with older models. Consumers are also left in the cold with hosts of devices like docks that now either need adaptors, or are useless… it’s not all that great for the environment either.

All of that aside, this isn’t anything new in the world of technology. As hardware and software evolve, eventually there needs to be a break to allow for innovation. So why is Guy Kawasaki, former Chief Evangelist for Apple saying that the new connector is “pure arrogance”?

It’s not the environment, nor the pockets of consumers and manufacturers that has Guy disappointed with Apple’s move – instead, he’s shocked that Apple chose to move to yet another proprietary connector. The industry has accepted that Micro-USB is the standard cable for charging and connecting to mobile devices. These cables readily exist, and Apple could have easily decided to either use the new cable, or to make their new connector compatible with Micro-USB.

It’s obvious that the reason Apple chose the proprietary connector is to protect the ecosystem. As Google and Microsoft have seen, it’s hard to build an ecosystem of hardware accessories when devices are built at different shapes and sizes, with no standard point of connection Microsoft appears to be working to fix this with Windows Phone 8, but we’re yet to hear any real details around that.

If Apple made the move to Micro-USB, it could open up their ecosystem of accessories to competitor devices – and that’s something that Apple doesn’t want. So, is the decision that Apple made an act of arrogance, or is it more marketing brilliance? I’m leaning towards the latter, but there’s clearly an economic and environmental cost to this decision. 

Source: Daily Telegraph (Australia)

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Apple exec hmmmmmmm how can we make more money this year OOOO OOOO I know we'll reinvent the wheel

much like every manufacturer does with using mini or micro USB connectors my phone is different from my camera which is different from my other camera which is in turn is different to my KB/Mouse/printer blah blah blah add infinitum and so on and so forth

If you don't like what they've done then just don't buy it nobody is forcing you to

Athlonite said,
Apple exec hmmmmmmm how can we make more money this year OOOO OOOO I know we'll reinvent the wheel

replace Apple with Microsoft..
hence, Windows 8/9

I feel like going down to the beach and kicking little kid's sand castles over..
And when they cry i will tell them suck it up and get use to change
or enjoy using your "old tech" and by the way don't whine and complain..
If you don't like it ? Don't build them. ..nobody is forcing you to make them

No one is forcing you to buy the new iPhone. It comes with a cable. Take care of it and it won't break. If you can buy an iPhone you shouldn't have a problem getting a replacement cable if you need to. If you have accessories that don't work anymore, again... don't upgrade to iPhone 5. Instead of getting crappy accessories get the good ones (bluetooth, airplay, etc). Cars? again... don't upgrade. Things change, deal with it.

Maybe this has been said before, (haven't read all the posts here) but who says you have to upgrade to iphone 5? If it is really a problem that you have your house full of gadgets that only take old style connector then keep the current phone. This whole thing definitely falls under the "first world problem" category.

There is a REASON it is called a UNIVERSAL serial buss connector...
Apple just wants to keep it ALL. Nothing wrong with that, more money for them,
but, just think of all the useless e-waste due to their decision.

Doesn't bother me one bit. I sync my iPhone 4 using WiFi, I listen to music in my car using Bluetooth, I use Bluetooth wireless headphones.
The only time my phone is plugged in is to charge it.

I understand that not everyone is as fortunate as I am, but I see it as laughable for people to get so worked up over this.

It's almost like they don't already know Apple's business model. Apple designs their own hardware and software. It OBVIOUSLY works for them, since they have yet to lose many customers over their proprietary cables. They know the boundaries of their own cable, they can push it they can only use part of it, they can have dedicated pins for certain things.

How can you voice your opinion against a company like Apple? DON'T BUY THEIR PRODUCT.

Buy an Android phone or WP phone. The hardware is superior to the iPhone and they're more open than Apple's ecosystem.

I do not believe any of this would have happened with Jobs in that position. No offence, and put aside all of the rumours to begin with, it will not be surprising to see some of the ideas which were once suppressed by Jobs are now going to re-surface. And as always, and as Jobs did show us, some ideas make the company, some break it.

coolvi said,
I do not believe any of this would have happened with Jobs in that position. No offence, and put aside all of the rumours to begin with, it will not be surprising to see some of the ideas which were once suppressed by Jobs are now going to re-surface. And as always, and as Jobs did show us, some ideas make the company, some break it.
WRONG. Jobs left a gameplan for APple to follow for a few years. THis includes the iPhone 5 btw.

Basically all that $29 adapter does is allows you to use your old charging cables with the new 9pin connector. Is it worth $29 for such limited usage? How many iDiots are going to run and buy it nd then dont even retrun it when they see it wont work.

How could APple not support the iPod Out function, when the iPhone is nothing more than an iPod with phone capability?

I dont understand how the sheep are falling for thsi and not complaining.

TechieXP said,
Basically all that $29 adapter does is allows you to use your old charging cables with the new 9pin connector. Is it worth $29 for such limited usage? How many iDiots are going to run and buy it nd then dont even retrun it when they see it wont work.

How could APple not support the iPod Out function, when the iPhone is nothing more than an iPod with phone capability?

I dont understand how the sheep are falling for thsi and not complaining.

Not sure why you're getting so worked up about it... If you have a better phone created by a better company, running a better OS, that supports better accessories... then why even waste your time b!tching about the iPhone?

Let the Apple customers "waste" their money. When/if they realize that their product is inferior, they'll switch to Android or WP. If they like their iPhone and can afford to buy an expensive cable then so be it.

Quit crying.

THis is what I tried to tell the fans over at PCW. There was an estimated 350M accessories that used Aple's old 30pin connector. The adapter doesn't work properly or at all on MOST off them.

It was change just for the sake of change. The new conenctor doesn't offer more speed because its supports USB 2.0 spec which has a transfer speed of a certain bandwidth. Now the phone itself being a bit faster will lead to the devic ebeing able to handle the data coming it better so it gained some speed over the 4S.

However this is fine if you need to transfer files, what About when I want t use thais $200 BOSE dock I have at my house. Sure it has the 3.5MM jack on the back so I can hook up the cable to thejack on the phone, but then I dont get to use the remote that came with it.

Apple simply screwed up this time and I personally had enough. Also, I plugged the new cable of the device to my iPod connector in my new truck which I only had a year, I get an error message.What a waste to get no advantage whatsoever. It was useless change just to make the devic eappear to be different from the previous model.

Edited by Hi_XPecTa_Chens, Sep 24 2012, 5:02pm :

Pure money grab.

The iPhone 5 is now no longer compatible with my BMW's iPod connectivity feature. Not to mention it will take forever for these new ports to filter through to new car models.

Bluetooth music streaming is not an alternative either as you can't display ID3 info or control playback using your car's controls.

Guess who won't be upgrading to the iPhone 5.

If you're dumb enough to bury yourself in a tech ecosystem that uses proprietary everything and is known for this sort of thing than you deserve to get shafted. No one is making you buy Apple that doesn't use anything that is standardized.

TheArgonaut said,
If you're dumb enough to bury yourself in a tech ecosystem that uses proprietary everything and is known for this sort of thing than you deserve to get shafted. No one is making you buy Apple that doesn't use anything that is standardized.
Most people don't know/realize this ahead of time. Techies feel it necessary to make as much noise as possible to try and prevent these people from making bad purchasing decisions. Is this important? IMO, yes... techies make up a small portion of the purchasing population, therefore they don't have much direct control over what works/doesn't work in the market. Last thing we (techies) want is for good companies to go out of business in favor of giants like apple that like to nickle and dime their users at every turn.

darkpuma said,
Most people don't know/realize this ahead of time. Techies feel it necessary to make as much noise as possible to try and prevent these people from making bad purchasing decisions. Is this important? IMO, yes... techies make up a small portion of the purchasing population, therefore they don't have much direct control over what works/doesn't work in the market. Last thing we (techies) want is for good companies to go out of business in favor of giants like apple that like to nickle and dime their users at every turn.

I guess you're right. I myself am a "techie" but honestly I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to realize that Apple is incredibly overpriced and treats their loyal consumers like a bunch of idiots which it seems like they actually enjoy. I like apple products a lot and think they are good quality but I think the company is horrible. The problem is that consumers keep telling them "Yes! Rip me off! Keep doing it!". Why would they stop. It's party because they have no ethics and partly because there is no reason to treat the consumer properly.

When people go round to others houses they can charge their phones easily. However those with iPhones have to hope that there's a special Apple cable lying around.

it's pure arrogance to want a smaller and faster connectors. by the reasoning of all the idiots who posted, gawd forbid if we are not still be using parallel and serial ports and wait for the cow to come home while transferring data.

They changed it because the old connector was too wide to fit in with the other new components. It's not a "money grab" or Apple trying to be sinister. The only thing I have that it won't work with is my clock radio which is not a big deal, for me anyways.

Jarrichvdv said,
Yes, but does Micro USB support AirPlay mirroring etc. ?
Oh, youmean the feature that the vast majority of iDevices buyers dont even use? Many of which arent even aware of the feature at all?

TechieXP said,
Oh, youmean the feature that the vast majority of iDevices buyers dont even use? Many of which arent even aware of the feature at all?

So? AirPlay is used by a large number of people, just not the majority.

Am I the only one who is noticing what looks like a big misinformation campaign going on against micro-USB all of a sudden? o.0
There seem to be dozens of articles spreading rubbish about why micro USB can't do XYZ for reasons that dont even make sense half the time...

Okay, those points are basically all invalid and have been addressed in the above comments. Way to read. How about we talk about the real reason apple or any other company for that matter would use a proprietary connector? Plain and simple, it makes it more costly to change to a competitors device.

spenumatsa said,
Before people think it is arrogance on apple's part, read this article which explains why Apple went with it.

http://www.businessinsider.com...ghtning-vs-micro-usb-2012-9


@spenumatsa

It is comical that you pointed to a lame Business Insider article that in of itself knows nothing and instead just says essentially "some guy says it was necessary" when in fact if you look up the article to which BI is referring you'll see that he spends most of his time in the comments trying to justify his position.

spenumatsa said,
Before people think it is arrogance on apple's part, read this article which explains why Apple went with it.

http://www.businessinsider.com...ghtning-vs-micro-usb-2012-9

Do you beleive everything you read? They are basically restating the reason Apple gave.

They claimed they couldnt make the device thinner because of it? Really?
I will tell you what Apple is really saying. They are saying what they have been saying for years, FORM IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN FUNCTION.

That si why they got their @$$es kicked in the PC market, the same is happenin in the Smartphone market. The only reason it hasnt happened in the tablet market is because Android smartphones are done so well and many are so big, you dont need a tablet. I have an iPad. Its sole purpose was to be my bigge iPoD Touch So I can see what I was doing. Now that I have a Galaxy S III, I don't even use my iPd anymore. Iam about to sell it on Ebay and get as much as I can for it.

Appleis constantly screwing the fans over year after year with half-@$$ed phones with limited features and capability. Its the same thing that nearly killed the Mac.

Look at the numbers, Apple has sld only 128M Mac in 28 years, while the 3 combined sales of the top Windows PC makers excceed this amount in just a single year and have done so for more than a decade.

Apple hs sold about 410M devices, prior to the iPhone 5 release. That all of them combined in 6+ years, yet Android is selling 500M devices already in just 4 years.

What does thsi tell you? Well for most fans it tells them nothing. But for us on the outside looking in, it tells us just how Aple has you all sucked in their vacumm of stupidity.

Think about what you are getting. If you want a 64GB iPhone 5 the retail cost is 899.99 + tax. Then you have to buy thsi stupid useless $29 connector. Then because the phone ismade of fancier amterials, you have to spend at least $30 in protecting it. Then you haveto pay for AppleCare+ if you want damage protection where you still have to pay $100 to replace the device.

Compare to my 16GB Galaxy S III which retains for $650 to start and I can add 64GB of storage for $55.00, which saved me over $200 to get the same and more. Plus I get a bigger screen, faster CPU as their is a quadcore model avail, just as thin, just as light, for more capability, I can change the UI, I can install 3rd party apps and I can go to any carrier I want.

When you go out and spend $900.00 for a phone, you shouldnt have to go and spend another $200+ to make is usable. That is just a fantastic waste of money. The only magic I see Aple has is making the fools spend money year after year when they dont give you nothing. Any movie or tune I buy I can use on any device I own when Ibuy them from Google's market. Not so with Apple.

There is nothign better than FREEDOM

he's shocked that Apple chose to move to yet another proprietary connector

Is he REALLY shocked? Because I wasn't. They will NEVER put a nice standard USB port on. Ever!

if you own an apple product, you only have yourself to blame. the issue here is not the actions of Apple, it's the idiots buying into this that are at fault. "lets change the connector so nothing works!" "but what about all those customers using the old tech?" "who cares, they'll buy it anyway"

they can rely on that and make money from the idrone army wanting the latest dysfunctional fashion accessory. As long as people do this in the numbers they are, they can get away with anything, you know, like ripping out Google maps because they "don't like those evil people at google" and replacing it with a sub-standard offering that would generally fail in any other eco-system... but no, the insular world of the apple user finds this acceptable and still pre-orders the latest toy so they can wave it at their ifriends who all drool with ienvy.

imagine using a standardised connector... docks etc would be cross device compatible, cheaper and better for the consumer all round, but that doesn't fuel the elitist empire, so we can't be having that now can we?

It's beyond me, to be honest. Apple is the cult of the nonsensical humans.. I now view anyone that uses their products and claims to be tech savvy with caution and a raised eyebrow.

Edited by ZombieFly, Sep 24 2012, 12:06pm :

ZombieFly said,
if you own an apple product, you only have yourself to blame. the issue here is not the actions of Apple, it's the idiots buying into this that are at fault. "lets change the connector so nothing works!" "but what about all those customers using the old tech?" "who cares, they'll buy it anyway"
How many times in the last decade has the connectors on Samsung phones changed ? I know of at least 3.. What about Motorola ? I know of 4 there..

With them, almost every accessory is either highly generic, or phone specific, and garbage after that.

This is the 2.5 times Apple has changed it's connector.. first it was just a FW Port, then came the previous port, and the half is the little audio extra port the old iPods used to have..

The ONLY good thing about this connector is that it's reversible. That's my biggest gripe with USB that each end has to be plugged in a certain direction.

All these peripherals should use wireless audio or use NFC with a dock (no connector). No company should have to depend on other companies.

jesseinsf said,
All these peripherals should use wireless audio or use NFC with a dock (no connector). No company should have to depend on other companies.
This. Every since the rumors began after the first iPhone, I only bought accessories that were bluetooth.

So hilarious. It's like every day there's a new Apple news story to give me one more reason to not spend one dime on any of their products.

devHead said,
So hilarious. It's like every day there's a new Apple news story to give me one more reason to not spend one dime on any of their products.

The dirty little secret of Apple's success is that they spend a fortune on consumer advertising. Most major websites, television channels, and magazines are funded in large part by this advertising spend.

Apple will PULL their advertising money if the site/network/magazine publishes articles critical of Apple or not enough favorable articles over a given period.

You can tell which sites/networks/magazines are in Apple's pocket by looking for "Apple fluff" on a daily/weekly basis - namely, articles/stories about Apple people or products that have no real news value.

Not sure what it is, but Apple surely has something in store for this connector. Perhaps it's a future thunderbolt mini of some sort. For the time being it is what it is, but I believe that Apple us only preparing the field. I could be wrong, though.

Yes I'm sure they may use thunderbolt for it one day. But right now, they are using USB2.0. And charging is slow as ever.
And when they do finally use thunderbolt, everyone else will be using microUSB 3.0 anyway (which would likely give similar speeds and charging). It's also backwards compatible.

I agree with Guy entirely. There is no excuse for turning your entire 3rd party hardware support on its head and STILL not moving to a standard format. It is simply anti user.

M_Lyons10 said,
I agree with Guy entirely. There is no excuse for turning your entire 3rd party hardware support on its head and STILL not moving to a standard format. It is simply anti user.
So you are saying that 3rd party accessories vendors are going to complain that millions of people that were one time customers will be back to buy new accessories... somehow I don't follow your logic there.

ILikeTobacco said,
So you are saying that 3rd party accessories vendors are going to complain that millions of people that were one time customers will be back to buy new accessories... somehow I don't follow your logic there.

Wtf? Dude did you even read his comment? Nowhere did he say anything of the sort. He said it was anti-user, not anti-3rd party vendor.

Read, comprehend, then reply.

The old Apple dock connector was created at a time when wireless was still a relatively young technology and a cable was a necessity.
Today, streaming audio, video and syncing data over the air is pretty much widely used, eliminating the need for a wired connection, with the exception of charging the battery.

a0me said,
The old Apple dock connector was created at a time when wireless was still a relatively young technology and a cable was a necessity.
Today, streaming audio, video and syncing data over the air is pretty much widely used, eliminating the need for a wired connection, with the exception of charging the battery.

For which apple could have used wireless charging doing away with cables altogether and yet rejected it (this post brought to you buy Nokia wireless charging ads)

Then why did they replace their dock with a connector that is worse but no better than microUSB (other than being bidirectional)?

Teebor said,

For which apple could have used wireless charging doing away with cables altogether and yet rejected it (this post brought to you buy Nokia wireless charging ads)

Wireless charging is useless for something like a smartphone: you can't take calls, you can't use the camera or most other functions while charging. Now if it was charging over the air, yes please.

Micro-USB 2.0 is already outdated.

Remember, Apple wants this connector to last 10 years like the previous one. Micro-USB2.0 would already be a limiting factor. Even from day one, this would be a regression cause Micro-USB2.0 does not support the power drawn from the iPad 3 (2A while USB can't go beyond 1A in high power mode).

The USB3.0 micro connector is a mess (because of its backward compatibility requirements for Micro USB2.0) and like USB2.0 doesn't support more than 1A of power.

Guess what, this Apple connector uses USB2.0 as the data transport.

Guess what, microUSB2.0 supports more than 1A of power. How do you think wall chargers for phones work? Most modern laptops can provide 1A of power to a microUSB as well.
Since Apple is using the USB spec to charge their devices, they also use this method to provide 1A to their device.

" Therefore, current draw may not exceed 900 mA during high-speed data transfer. A dedicated charge port may have a rated current between 0.5 and 1.5 A. There is no upper limit for the rated current of a charging downstream port, as long as the connector can handle the current (standard USB 2.0 A-connectors are rated at 1.5 A)."

Also, there is no reason why Apple could not make use of the new battery charging specification for USB:
"The Battery Charging Specification 1.2 of 2010: several changes are made and limits are increasing including allowing 1.5 A on charging ports for unconfigured devices, allowing high speed communication while having a current up to 1.5 A and allowing a maximum current of 5 A."

Hence, if they used microUSB and this new battery charging standard, they could actually charge the devices faster than they currently do (1.5A v 1.0A) while transferring data. And, up to 5A when they're not.

Edited by Sacha, Sep 24 2012, 11:59am :

The Apple connecter currently uses USB2, but it WILL support USB3 as soon as they include the USB3 chip in the iPhone. This is probably also the case with Thunderbolt.

The port is just like USB in that case, it can do USB1, 2, 3, or whatever they make next. They have just made is a smaller better port for their needs after near a decade with the old one. Can't complain at 10 years of a standard for them. Most phone companies have gone through 5 different connectors in their lines in the past decade.

Ryoken said,
The Apple connecter currently uses USB2, but it WILL support USB3 as soon as they include the USB3 chip in the iPhone. This is probably also the case with Thunderbolt.

The port is just like USB in that case, it can do USB1, 2, 3, or whatever they make next. They have just made is a smaller better port for their needs after near a decade with the old one. Can't complain at 10 years of a standard for them. Most phone companies have gone through 5 different connectors in their lines in the past decade.

Most phone companies had their own connector, then changed to micro-usb to fit in with the established standard, now that will be upgraded but every company will be using it. Except of course for Apple because they want to make more money by inconveniencing their customers, but their customers generally don't know any better. Quite amazing that people educated in tech actually get tricked by this bs.

I recently bought an iPod (with the old style connector) and was impressed with the quality throughout - except one thing: the overly large and flimsy plug that feels like it will snap if you push it in slightly wrong. It jarred with the rest of the good design in the product. So I agree that despite the large ecosystem of products out there that use it, it had to go sooner or later.

But why, oh why, not take the opportunity to standardise - that's the question.

Still, Apple will probably always be like that.

It's to protect their eco-system, they don't want others releases ways around apple's locked down system... the price is a joke though and it should have been included.

what about when the serial port went to USB and AGP to PCI,, DDR-DDR2-DDR3 connectors change all the time but never seen this kind outcry. Its progress deal with it.

Do you know there are 6 different USB connectors?

People just crying over nothing.

Yazoo said,
what about when the serial port went to USB and AGP to PCI,, DDR-DDR2-DDR3 connectors change all the time but never seen this kind outcry. Its progress deal with it.

Do you know there are 6 different USB connectors?

People just crying over nothing.

I'm pretty sure more than 1 company uses USB, AGP, PCI, DDR etc. That's called progress and innovation. Changing a connector for the sheer sake of changing a connector that is standard to your product only is profiteering plain and simple with no advancement to the benefit of the consumer.

Yazoo said,
what about when the serial port went to USB and AGP to PCI,, DDR-DDR2-DDR3 connectors change all the time but never seen this kind outcry. Its progress deal with it.

Do you know there are 6 different USB connectors?

People just crying over nothing.


Moving from AGP to PCI was easy it just required a bridge chip built on the graphics card design. It was also NEEDED to provide faster throughput to keep pace with modern graphical requirements
DDR whilst being a pain offers huge beneifts in speed, function and capacity
You can still buy computers with Serial ports today (modern computers) also a small usb adapter costing around £3 gives you a serial port

Apples Adapter is big, ugly and costs around £25 retail and doesn't provide all the functions originally available.
The new plug doesn't really seem to provide any new feature that the old didn't other than being reversible (but I could be missing something here)
So the way I see it is that we could live without the new connector

jamieakers said,

I'm pretty sure more than 1 company uses USB, AGP, PCI, DDR etc. That's called progress and innovation. Changing a connector for the sheer sake of changing a connector that is standard to your product only is profiteering plain and simple with no advancement to the benefit of the consumer.


I agree 100%.

Call it what you like, but people would be bitching more if Apple made the move to keep the old connector by making the iPhone thicker (its a much bigger component) and thus heavier and perhaps even an unbalanced weight across the iPhone.

Now, the fact that the Lightning connector doesn't even reach USB3 speeds, never mind Thunderbolt speeds, is a huge oversight by Apple but that's a different issue entirely.

I'm not an Apple fan and I personally think the iPhone 5 with iOS 6 is pretty laughable for a high end 2012 phone, but even I 100% agree with Apple here with the decision to redo the connector - smaller components, more fool proof, lighter.

You're aware that the adaptor they're making ($30 extra!), doesn't support iPod out, right? That means all those cars, speakers setups, stereo systems etc. All those expensive docks and so on designed to use this functionality, are so much trash with the new iPhone, right?

THAT'S arrogance.

The Teej said,
Now, the fact that the Lightning connector doesn't even reach USB3 speeds, never mind Thunderbolt speeds, is a huge oversight by Apple but that's a different issue entirely.

How many people are still syncing their iPhone using a cable? How many will still be using a cable 1 year from now?

I'm extremely ****ed at Apple for releasing a completely unusable Maps app, but the uproar about the change of connector is overblown way out of proportion.

FloatingFatMan said,
You're aware that the adaptor they're making ($30 extra!), doesn't support iPod out, right? That means all those cars, speakers setups, stereo systems etc. All those expensive docks and so on designed to use this functionality, are so much trash with the new iPhone, right?

THAT'S arrogance.

It doesn't? This is news to me, do you have a link for that as I didn't think it was that bad

FloatingFatMan said,
You're aware that the adaptor they're making ($30 extra!), doesn't support iPod out, right? That means all those cars, speakers setups, stereo systems etc. All those expensive docks and so on designed to use this functionality, are so much trash with the new iPhone, right?

THAT'S arrogance.


Wow. Really? Now THAT'S just shameful.

The Teej said,
Call it what you like, but people would be bitching more if Apple made the move to keep the old connector by making the iPhone thicker (its a much bigger component) and thus heavier and perhaps even an unbalanced weight across the iPhone.

Now, the fact that the Lightning connector doesn't even reach USB3 speeds, never mind Thunderbolt speeds, is a huge oversight by Apple but that's a different issue entirely.

I'm not an Apple fan and I personally think the iPhone 5 with iOS 6 is pretty laughable for a high end 2012 phone, but even I 100% agree with Apple here with the decision to redo the connector - smaller components, more fool proof, lighter.

The biggest issue isn't that they changed their connector. It's that they didn't change it to MicroUSB. Having an adapter isn't the same thing. It means that you've always got to have an adapter on you if you want to charge your phone which easily outweighs the space saved from switching to a smaller dock connector.

The Teej said,
Call it what you like, but people would be bitching more if Apple made the move to keep the old connector by making the iPhone thicker (its a much bigger component) and thus heavier and perhaps even an unbalanced weight across the iPhone.

Now, the fact that the Lightning connector doesn't even reach USB3 speeds, never mind Thunderbolt speeds, is a huge oversight by Apple but that's a different issue entirely.

I'm not an Apple fan and I personally think the iPhone 5 with iOS 6 is pretty laughable for a high end 2012 phone, but even I 100% agree with Apple here with the decision to redo the connector - smaller components, more fool proof, lighter.

I'm annoyed that they changed the connector, but I can get over that. What I'm really ****ed about is not taking the opportunity to switch to the global standard connector while they were at it. They could quite easily have designed their new accessory interface standard around the micro-USB connector.

What's even more laughable now is that in the EU, they are required to provide micro-USB charging on the phone, but they get around this by selling you yet another adapter for £15. The whole point of the EU directive was to help to reduce wastage and enable people to share chargers, but Apple give you a proprietary charger anyway, then want you to buy an extra piece of plastic and metal to use Micro-USB. It's a joke.

http://store.apple.com/uk/prod...htning-to-micro-usb-adapter

-T- said,

It doesn't? This is news to me, do you have a link for that as I didn't think it was that bad

JUst look online. BMW and others are already complaining that guys who just bought cars and who use iPod Out arent very happy the adpater doesn't work. The cable doesn;t work either because iPod Out is not supported by the new devices.

Of course the next iPad will also use this c.whattor...whathen? If Apple going to force the fools to buy iPod's now?

sanke1 said,
Atleast the new connector could have been USB3 or thunderbolt based. So this is pure 100% arrogance and nothing else.

+1.

sanke1 said,
Atleast the new connector could have been USB3 or thunderbolt based. So this is pure 100% arrogance and nothing else.

but they can't give you good stuff now, they have the 5s to think about in 6-8 months!

sanke1 said,
Atleast the new connector could have been USB3 or thunderbolt based. So this is pure 100% arrogance and nothing else.
It will go USB3 and probably Thunderbolt once the chips are small enough to fit inside the iPhone.. at the moment they are still rather "large" vs USB2.

sanke1 said,
Atleast the new connector could have been USB3 or thunderbolt based. So this is pure 100% arrogance and nothing else.

It could have been yes, but there isnt a point to it when the flash memory inside the phone can't work at those speeds anyway, specially not when the cable is more and more becoming used just for charging with most things you'd plug in for possible wireless.

sanke1 said,
Atleast the new connector could have been USB3 or thunderbolt based. So this is pure 100% arrogance and nothing else.

"People keep asking why Apple didn't opt for the micro-USB connector. The answer is simple: that connector isn't smart enough. It has only 5 pins: +5V, Ground, 2 digital data pins, and a sense pin, so most of the dock connector functions wouldn't work - only charging and syncing would. Also, the pins are so small that no current plug/connector manufacturer allows the 2A needed for iPad charging.”

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2...4/why-no-micro-usb-for-you/

Arrogance AND brilliance (is it brilliance to make ppl spend money when they don't have a choice?)

Well, they're using market advantage - knowing that being a muppet wont hurt their market cap - to change to a new connector. It's a good move.

Lets face it, MicroUSB isn't ideal - the connection isn't reversible and there aren't really any docks/controls for it either. If other companies could move over to a better plug, and not lose any money, they would.

UseLess said,
Arrogance AND brilliance (is it brilliance to make ppl spend money when they don't have a choice?)

Well, they're using market advantage - knowing that being a muppet wont hurt their market cap - to change to a new connector. It's a good move.

Lets face it, MicroUSB isn't ideal - the connection isn't reversible and there aren't really any docks/controls for it either. If other companies could move over to a better plug, and not lose any money, they would.

Umm what? Most docks/controls are made for the ipod/iphone, hence there aren't many docks for MicroUSB. There is nothing better about their new dock connector over MicroUSB. Literally the only thing i would change about microUSB would be to make it so you can plug it in either way round, but that isn't a reason to go and make another connector that no one else uses.

UseLess said,
Arrogance AND brilliance (is it brilliance to make ppl spend money when they don't have a choice?)

Well, they're using market advantage - knowing that being a muppet wont hurt their market cap - to change to a new connector. It's a good move.

Lets face it, MicroUSB isn't ideal - the connection isn't reversible and there aren't really any docks/controls for it either. If other companies could move over to a better plug, and not lose any money, they would.

Let's face it though, many people who buy apple products spend money for the sake if it anyway, so this no different I guess.

UseLess said,
Arrogance AND brilliance (is it brilliance to make ppl spend money when they don't have a choice?)

Well, they're using market advantage - knowing that being a muppet wont hurt their market cap - to change to a new connector. It's a good move.

Lets face it, MicroUSB isn't ideal - the connection isn't reversible and there aren't really any docks/controls for it either. If other companies could move over to a better plug, and not lose any money, they would.

O.o microUSB is pretty much EVERYPLACE and yes there are lots of docks and controls that are microUSB

FloatingFatMan said,
It's arrogance of the worst kind, and to be completely expected from Apple.

I'd be shocked, shocked I say, if they DIDN'T do this.

FloatingFatMan said,
It's arrogance of the worst kind, and to be completely expected from Apple.

Totally. So arrogant of them to want to use their own connector on their own products. Especially when you are literally forced to buy their products at gun point, and each year your old products self combust and stop working.

Their arrogance makes me so angry with rage!

Reading comprehension 101. Take the course.

It's arrogant because they've decided to shaft their entire existing customer base by forcing them to either buy new peripherals, or buy an adapter they should be providing for free (and doesn't include full functionality).

It's also arrogant because they've also shafted every other hardware company that's supported their products, including car manufacturers like BMW. In a way though, that's a good thing. Maybe now we'll see generic ports in cars instead of dedicated iDevice ports. It's sure that the car companies won't trust Apple again.

I don't care it they want their own, but don't change it from the one you have.

It's nothing more than a money grab, I bet it's a long time before we see an Old Apple to New Apple connector.

Nashy said,
I don't care it they want their own, but don't change it from the one you have.

It's nothing more than a money grab, I bet it's a long time before we see an Old Apple to New Apple connector.


Things like this have to change as technology advances.

typical Apple strategy. Change something so you have to buy it all over again, every 12 months. Apple fanboi's usually lap it up. Its how they are worth $500b

Nashy said,
I don't care it they want their own, but don't change it from the one you have.

It's nothing more than a money grab, I bet it's a long time before we see an Old Apple to New Apple connector.


The new connector is £25 iirc and you can order it already and it looks bulky
So yeah they have really just done this to get more money out of everyone (licensing for the new connector to manufacturers, new periphals sales, adapter sales etc)

Nashy said,
I don't care it they want their own, but don't change it from the one you have.

It's nothing more than a money grab, I bet it's a long time before we see an Old Apple to New Apple connector.

The new devices couldn't be this thin if they had the old connector. Physically impossible.
The adapter is available already. $30 through Apple or you can get generics for all the way down to $3

dvb2000 said,
typical Apple strategy. Change something so you have to buy it all over again, every 12 months. Apple fanboi's usually lap it up. Its how they are worth $500b
If by 12 months you mean 9 years, then yes.

Teebor said,

The new connector is £25 iirc and you can order it already and it looks bulky

Not to mention that it doesn't support "iPod Out", which I take to mean that any device you use to play audio through, for example speakers, and cars, will not work even with the adapter.

episode said,

The new devices couldn't be this thin if they had the old connector. Physically impossible.
The adapter is available already. $30 through Apple or you can get generics for all the way down to $3

The 5th Gen iPod Touch is smaller than iPhone 5 yet has the old connector, the headphone jack and mic all at the bottom.

TCLN Ryster said,

Not to mention that it doesn't support "iPod Out", which I take to mean that any device you use to play audio through, for example speakers, and cars, will not work even with the adapter.

you got that bit wrong. it DOES support (the adapter) audio transfer, thus CAN be used in cars, speakers, etc... the adapter doesn't break a thing..(function)

dvb2000 said,
typical Apple strategy. Change something so you have to buy it all over again, every 12 months. Apple fanboi's usually lap it up. Its how they are worth $500b

Yea! Darn greedy companies releasing newer and updated products! /s

If that is really something you have an issue with you ought to like Apple, their products see an update once a year while most other manufacturers release around a dozen products every year.

Apple used one connector for 9 years, Samsung used 18 different connectors over the lap of 10 years...

Also, it's not like you have to buy the new devices being released just like you didn't have to buy the older ones...

episode said,

The new devices couldn't be this thin if they had the old connector. Physically impossible.

False. The connector was fine for the nano that was much thinner.

TCLN Ryster said,

Not to mention that it doesn't support "iPod Out", which I take to mean that any device you use to play audio through, for example speakers, and cars, will not work even with the adapter.


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Exactly. It doesn't work on my car.

They needed to change because the old Dock connector was too large to fit with the other components in the chassis.

They should have taken this as an opportunity to move to micro-USB, rather than introducing another proprietary connector.

Calum said,

Things like this have to change as technology advances.

Yes, I totally agree with you. Things like this have to change as technology advances. The problem is, that I haven't seen technology advance here. The new connector is smaller and symmetric. I haven't read any articles about what this adapter can do what the old one couldn't. The only thing I can think about is that being smaller means there is more room left for something else. But apart from that nothing. It's not USB3 or Thunderbolt, so there is no improved data transfer. It's not even a better cable from what I can see from here. What it does do, is break compatibility with older devices. I have an alarm clock with a docking connector. I suppose it will work with the extension, because I only use it to charge, but that would mean that there is no support for the iPhone other than the small connector. A wrong turn in bed and I am afraid it will snap. Next week my new car will be delivered. With a dock connector to connect the iPhone to the stereo. I will be able to control the iPhone with the controls on the steering wheel... but not the iPhone 5, because this feature works with the ipod controls, which aren't supported with this connector.
But fortunately, there are still enough people who by the iPhone 5. That means that today I bought a iPhone 4s as a replacement for my 3GS. It does EVERYTHING I want and need it to do, and cost me half of what the 5 would have cost me. And in two years I'll see if there is a firmware upgrade for my car which supports bluetooth controls better than the present version.