France has their own PRISM-like spying network; does everyone?

In case you've been living under a rock these past few weeks, you know that Edward Snowden blew the lid off of the United States' spying efforts, releasing details of a program called PRISM to the world. While there's some question on how far reaching the program is, and whether the government has access to corporate servers or if the corporations simply comply with government requests for data, the world was quick to speak about their outrage.

Today, Yahoo reports that the French government has a similar program in effect. According to the report, France is collecting data on "all emails, SMSs, telephone calls, Facebook and Twitter posts." The datacenter is allegedly housed in a three story bunker that is contained completely underground at the General Directorate for External Security (GDSE), France's intelligence agency. The newspaper claims that the difference between France's unnamed program and the United States' PRISM program is that the former collects only metadata, whereas PRISM can collect payloads, as well as the fact that PRISM allows the NSA to tap directly into their systems whereas France collects the data themselves.

We know France and the United States are spying on everyone in the world. What country's spying program will be leaked next?

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Mikeffer said,

Negative impact? So how have you been impacted negatively then?

Here. You imply doubt. I provided you with examples of negative impact.

Mikeffer said,

Pretty naive to imagine the government wasn't trying it's damn hardest to spy on it's citizens back then also. I love how people jump on the assumption i'm for all this ****, when i certainly am not, just trying to wake people up to the fact they've been pretty damn naive if they didn't think this was and always will happen. Wake up people.

I'm not sure if you have switch sides half way though. You have certainly not stated your position here.

1. You asked how PC EliTiST had been negatively impacted. I highlighted a few scenarios where all citizens can be negatively impacted.

2. You have never stated you are against it. In fact, your messages have implied your apathetic.

3. Saying wake up doesn't mean anything. It's a stupid elitist statement. It has a definite arrogance associated with it implying you have always known and everyone else is stupid. Perhaps you can provide links to statements you have made before the Snoden releases, highlighting the SIGNIFICANCE of the problem, with the proof. You see, without evidence, your claims are worthless. You may have said the government has spied on it's citizens before, but I doubt you provided any credible proof. What else are they doing that is yet to be leaked, or is this the full extent of it.

4. The government has ALWAYS been logging phone calls? When did this commence, with the introduction of the phone? What department is in charge of it? How did they do it before mass electronic billing? Do you not think you should have been told of this? You are sorely misinformed.

5. This is the first PROOF that I am aware of that this is happening on such a large scale. Are you saying you've always known? You seem like the type of person who liked a band before everyone else knew them.

So, you've always known, what is your next action?



this was and always will happen

See. You are apathetic.
This has not ALWAYS happened. It doesn't NEED to happen. Your passiveness to your civil rights being blatantly abused is disturbing.

I think you need to look up Apathetic in the dictionary.
Also, ever heard of 'Devils advocate'?

A good conversation is when one side can challenge and discuss the views of many without being blind to all possibilities.

Mikeffer said,
I think you need to look up Apathetic in the dictionary.
Also, ever heard of 'Devils advocate'?

A good conversation is when one side can challenge and discuss the views of many without being blind to all possibilities.

An apathetic individual has an absence of interest in or concern. Seems like a suitable word to me.

Yes I have, most Devils advocate will declare as such up front to show why they appear to be hypocritical.

Yes, I agree a conversation is good when people can contribute and provide insight. What insight have you provided?

You appear to have back-flipped. It is really hard to argue when you don't raise any points. Do you have any points? Do you disagree with points raised?

The irony is that you raise blind support, when you have not raised any arguments.

DarkerSeb said,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism
Imagine if Prism existed back then...

I honestly want to hear your response to this. I hope you're old enough to accept when you're wrong and can see reason. I'm not trying to attack you personally, I'm just shocked at the amount of people that consider this acceptable.


Not to mention that this administration already has shown that they see nothing wrong with misusing government agencies for their own gain (and they admitted to collecting data on Congressmen and Senators as well)...

What we are looking at is an egregious intrusion into our privacy and personal freedoms by a Nixon-style administration and we shouldn't have to tell people why that's bad.

The United States is actually *late* to the vacuum-cleaner approach to spying - the French and the British (and even the Italians and Germans, and don't get me started on the Russians or Chinese) have been doing this sort of thing for decades. The REAL difference is that all except the United States have the permissions to do so spelled out in law - the United States does not.

any countries that have commercial cloud servers should have this, so they could sell the snooped (business) data for extra income.

Torolol said,
any countries that have commercial cloud servers should have this, so they could sell the snooped (business) data for extra income.

What??

Japan hosts an ECHELON base, unbeknownst to the majority of its citizens, and the US lets the Japanese government have whatever information they gather on Japan and its Asian neighbours.

I think most in the western world do. Even peaceful, neutral Sweden has the FRA which records traffic entering and leaving the country, curiously much alike PRISM, although of course on a more basic level due to budget.

Other than those programs, I think some governments cooperate with other countries and wouldn't be surprised if there are plenty of agreements with the USA that can't be disclosed. "Give us your traffic and we'll let you peek at what we've got."

Who cares? It's there for a legitimate reason. I would be upset if Australia didn't collect this sort of data. I would hope they do.

Nashy said,
Who cares? It's there for a legitimate reason. I would be upset if Australia didn't collect this sort of data. I would hope they do.

And what "legitimate reason" would that be?

M_Lyons10 said,

And what "legitimate reason" would that be?

National security from threats. Why? Because I trust my Government. I have no reason not to. Sure, they're ****ing useless, but they're not corrupt. What use have they got for it?

Here, in Brazil, we have ABIN spying on us in every online chat, social network, blog etc. By the way, my condo apartment is ILLEGALLY TAPPED for more than a decade now! Where's Human Rights Watch?! Have got no help or assistance from OEA, ONU, no f?*** human rights institution! They play, we pay! A PROOF OF THIS is that this posting will be deleted within a few minutes or less!!!

MCHAL said,
Here, in Brazil, we have ABIN spying on us in every online chat, social network, blog etc. By the way, my condo apartment is ILLEGALLY TAPPED for more than a decade now! Where's Human Rights Watch?! Have got no help or assistance from OEA, ONU, no f?*** human rights institution! They play, we pay! A PROOF OF THIS is that this posting will be deleted within a few minutes or less!!!

MCHAL, 2 hours ago

so no.

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