From the Forums: More thoughts on the Windows 8 Start menu debate

It's a topic that just won't go away for long time Windows users. We are speaking of the lack of a Start menu in the desktop UI for Windows 8. In a recent editorial, we pointed out that a lot of the users of Microsoft's latest OS had downloaded several different Start menu programs made by third parties and that was evidence that many users want to keep the familiar desktop menu around.

The editorial generated a ton of news comments on its own, with Neowin readers debating the pros and cons of doing away with the Start menu. The debate spilled over in our forums, where Neowin member warwagon launched a member poll which asked, "Do you want the start menu in Windows 8?" As of this writing, the "Yes" votes are slightly ahead with 52.85 percent, compared to "No" with 47.15 percent.

The member poll generated quite a few comments on its own, both for and against adding the Start menu back in Windows 8. Decidedly in the "Yes" section is tsupersonic who stated:

Hell yes. For people without touchscreen monitors (which is the majority of monitors), you need the damn start button in Windows. Hell, I still would want the start button on a monitor without a touchscreen. I can't tolerate Windows 8 without a start button.

Neowin member McKay is in the "No" section of the debate, and even shows off his Windows 8 Start screen to prove his point. He says:

No, I've gotten used to having my apps organised into groups that I want instead of one giant list that can only utilize the height of my screen. I see this as added functionality and I wouldn't want to lose it.

While this debate will likely continue, it seems like Microsoft has no interest in returning the Start menu to the desktop portion of Windows 8. That means that third party companies that offer Start menu alternatives will most likely continue to enjoy a large audience for months, if not years, to come.

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Haven't been using the start menu much ever since vista introduced that search box on it.
IMHO a search driven work flow is much quicker then digging through the start menu if you know what you're looking for.
And BTW, search on Win8 works gorgeously.

The "hot corners" are difficult to hit when you run Win8 itself in a window (e.g. a VM or remote access).

Here is a nice idea - why not have a little BUTTON at the lower left corner so that it will be a target to click on, so you don't need to get the pointer right in the corner?
And why not decorate it with a little windows LOGO on the button ...
And maybe you could make it show a list of apps in a window so you don't get a sudden jolt to a completely different hyperactive epilepsy-inducing screen when you want to start one ...
And the list of apps could be neatly grouped in folders to save real estate and clutter and muddle ...

That would be such a nice feature, it should be incorporated in the OS itself! It is a pity that the UI designers were so focused on tablets that they overlooked a big class of MS customers, namely people who use desktop WIMP systems to do real work....

Edited by gb8080, Feb 18 2013, 12:57pm :

The least they should do, is to give to a user a choice.
The OS should be customised to a user's needs, and not the other way around.

thexfile said,
Nobody was demanding tiles. It Microsoft's monopoly forcing people to tiles.


You know what a mess Windows would be if Microsoft had every little thing people "demanded"?

No one demanded the Start Menu in the first place, but we still got it, and people still complained that Program Manager was the best thing ever.

Dot Matrix said,

No one demanded the Start Menu in the first place, but we still got it, and people still complained that Program Manager was the best thing ever.

Nobody demanded that it be removed either. Too much focus on tablets. And if you're going to ape iOS, at least copy the folder idea too.

I want to see Metro apps appear in the taskbar alongside desktop apps; it doesn't make sense to have two separate locations for running apps and Alt-Tab is not a viable replacement (you can't access it with just the mouse). I'd also like the taskbar to be visible at all times, even when the start screen is displayed - that's one of the few advantages the start menu had over the start screen.

The biggest issue with Windows 8 is the way the Metro and desktop environments aren't consistent with each other and there is strange behaviour, like the screen going blank when you side-snap a Metro app or the fact that each uses different mouse gestures. It's clear that some elements of the interface were rushed to meet the deadline, which is something that Windows 9 will hopefully address.

theyarecomingforyou said,
I'd also like the taskbar to be visible at all times, even when the start screen is displayed - that's one of the few advantages the start menu had over the start screen.

see my reply a little above

Looks good but I would prefer these kind of options coming as standard in such a modern operating system. Most people will never know about this app and thats a shame.

A Start Page that has the option to

Not cover the whole screen.

Add a button to the desktop taskbar so I dont have to dip right to the corner of my screen

Movable from left to right with click and drag on the mouse (like the lock screen is) and not just the mouse wheel or slider bars/arrow keys

Add more depth so move into folders or options from tiles within the start page

why not use both?

install a start menu like startisback or start8 or classicshell or .... and use Windows 8 Start Screen like a 2nd Desktop putting/Pinning there only Programs that you use from time to time, like Video/Audio Converters, DVD burners like nero, etc

So basically is like this:
1. Start menu being start menu ala Windows 7
2. Desktop being Desktop with some shortcuts with stuff you use normally and fast access (like games)
3. Win8 Start Screen for only Metro and with Pinned shortcuts for 2nd usual programs that you run

see, simple, adapted to windows 8 and now i have things even more organized and faster access that i ever did on Windows 7.

Dont join the Windows 8 Internet hate, we have options to make the OS whatever we want it to be, rarely we can have a OS/software that is made especially for us

As long as Windows-8 panders to those with touch-screen tablets, by ignoring the millions of user with laptops and desktops having traditional displays, it is not going to be "roaring success" that Microsoft would like to have you believe. By removing the choice of UI to use, MS really "put their foot in the the muck."

TsarNikky said,
As long as Windows-8 panders to those with touch-screen tablets, by ignoring the millions of user with laptops and desktops having traditional displays, it is not going to be "roaring success" that Microsoft would like to have you believe. By removing the choice of UI to use, MS really "put their foot in the the muck."

I'm kinda confused how the Start Screen is touch only. Pin your desktop apps to it, ignore the Metro apps, and you're set. No fuss no muss. The Start Screen works wonderfully with a mouse.

I don't have a touchscreen monitor at all. Same computer I had when 7 and Vista came out. I can fly right through everything the same as always.

I'm glad the Start Menu's gone. I hated it from day one, and most of the time I used alternate programs. When I got Windows 8, it took me a week to get used to everything (not just the new UI), but once I was all settled in, I was in love. The new Start Screen is much better in several ways. I can find, organize and run all of my programs a lot better and faster. I remember getting frustrated with the Start Menu because I would move the mouse to fast and click on something else because the icons were too small; or because I couldn't pin all my favorite programs.

The Start Menu was great in it's own way (I guess), but that's in the past now, and we need to move on.

dtourond said,
The Start Menu was great in it's own way (I guess), but that's in the past now, and we need to move on.

Why would "we" need to move on, just because you love Windows 8 Metro? Are you saying that because you like it, others should have to like it too?

Buio said
Why would "we" need to move on, just because you love Windows 8 Metro? Are you saying that because you like it, others should have to like it too?
I'm saying that because we've had the Start Menu for almost 18 years now and it's time for a change. And I'm definitely not the only one who likes the Start Screen, so no, I'm not just because I like it. I'm saying it because the Start Screen is great and people need to give it an honest chance before they go out and say the hate it.

My company will be staying with Windows-7. We don't have the luxury of trashing all of our hardware just to get the cutely touch-screen features of Windows-8. Nor do we have the luxury of having to retrain our unsophisticated users to a new UI. Most companies are hardly on the "bleeding edge" of technology, nor to they want to.

TsarNikky said,
My company will be staying with Windows-7. We don't have the luxury of trashing all of our hardware just to get the cutely touch-screen features of Windows-8. Nor do we have the luxury of having to retrain our unsophisticated users to a new UI. Most companies are hardly on the "bleeding edge" of technology, nor to they want to.

And nobody cares.

Nobody upgrades every year or so. Companies which need an upgrade *now*, will switch to windows 8.

Well said dj, I agree with all you said I personally love win8 as 7 feels bogged down compared

Some things on win8 is faster to use your mouse than touch screen,I would never buy a touch but that my preferance

My spelling but if you can not work it out stay with win7 ))

AmUnderage said,
Well said dj, I agree with all you said I personally love win8 as 7 feels bogged down compared

Some things on win8 is faster to use your mouse than touch screen,I would never buy a touch but that my preferance

I got used to it and to be honest, it makes no difference to me having a traditional start button or a modern start menu.

I pose the question to all power users:

If you really care THAT much about it, then are you really using your PC for whatever you claim to be using it? Sure, perhaps opening a programme is longer or shorter in one or the other or you have to adapt to certain things. But ultimately, once the programme is open, you don't really need the button or the start menu. So if you open CAD or Photoshop/ Video editing software, do you really still have grievances about a silly button?

Additionally, most people pin the most important programmes to the taskbar. So ultimately, this is all a big fuss about nothing. Some people need something to complain about. To be honest, Windows 8 is an optimized version of Windows 7 with a new Modern UI interface. It makes ZERO difference to how you use the PC after the first 1-5 seconds of opening the required programmes. People need to move on from this silly debate. If you prefer Win 7 then cool. If you prefer Win 8 then cool. But guess what. You will not notice the difference it makes to how you USE the programmes you do use.

syobon999 said,
its not like before, they get rid completely of the start menu
no start menu < different start menu

Start Screen still counts as the Start Menu. The discussion is still the same - the ability to fall back to the old.

The fact metro ui is fullscreen is my only problem with it, it doesn't work well if it's not fullscreen (start8 option iirc) but it hides everything I'm doing when it comes up.
with a start menu I don't have to look at the screen, just winkey+type a bit. zero distractions from anything else I may be doing.
As I often have video up in a corner, metro blocking that off is what finally killed my resolve to try and get used to it, it had to go.

yakumo said,

As I often have video up in a corner, metro blocking that off is what finally killed my resolve to try and get used to it, it had to go.

I made this comment in response to someone earlier. I don't know but I would've thought this is a fairly common scenario?

Microsoft is not putting back the start menu, so time to move on.

Do you know how many windows users there are? Microsofts own Windows users statistics show that the majority of windows users don't even use the start menu. They are not going to keep something that the majority of their users don't use,just to appease a very few people on internet forums.

And users are actually using the start screen now,whereas they never used the start menu button before. Its a big win.

so we use a cheap replacement, and with Steam for Linux and all kind of apps to different non-windows platform, it start to looks like a complete replacement is in place.

syobon999 said,
so we use a cheap replacement, and with Steam for Linux and all kind of apps to different non-windows platform, it start to looks like a complete replacement is in place.

what part of the majority of users didn't you understand? the amount of people complaining don't even make a blip on their radar.

You write " it's a topic that just won't go away for long time Windows users" The reason it wont go away is because YOU KEEP WRITING ABOUT IT! Give it a rest already, LET IT GO. If you want a start button, there are options available for you out there.

I'm famous :-)

And when I answered the question I took it as "Would you want the Start Screen replaced with the Start menu" which is why I said I wouldn't want to go back, does it bother me people want a menu? Not really, whatever works for them.

McKay said,
I'm famous :-)

And when I answered the question I took it as "Would you want the Start Screen replaced with the Start menu" which is why I said I wouldn't want to go back, does it bother me people want a menu? Not really, whatever works for them.


And that's the key fact that should be taken away here. Not everyone wants the Start Screen, some of us despise the Start Screen (hands up!) and find we're more productive and able to work more smoothly without having to put up with the Start Screen.

I have replaced the Start Screen on my machine (and done a few other necessary changes) in order to make my life with Windows 8 easier. Otherwise it'd be like I was back when the consumer previews were coming out for testing... and discovering just how bad the Windows 8 experience was going to be (for me, and for others like myself), then watched as Microsoft plowed forward. For good or ill (and given what I've been hearing, it's more ill) this is what we're having to deal with... and the technically savvy are going to quickly alter it into something useful or (as I was sorely tempted) will yank it off and go back to Windows 7.

Personally I have yet to see a single good argument for why the old ways of doing things were better then the new one.

In Windows 8 you have (at least) as fast access to anything you use on a regular or semi-regular basis. The first thing I've seen that takes more actions to achieve is to open UAC posted elsewhere in these comments, but how often do you actually do that? It should be a one time thing.

People complain about the start screen taking over the entire screen, but it's not as if you're doing anything else while you've got the start screen open anyways. On top of that you can always use the "run" window to open your calculator or notepad.

The start screen mixed with the new "power user" is simply a more effective way to work then the old start menu.

For the user quoted in the OP with :

"Hell yes. For people without touchscreen monitors (which is the majority of monitors), you need the damn start button in Windows. Hell, I still would want the start button on a monitor without a touchscreen. I can't tolerate Windows 8 without a start button."

I have one question: What functionality are you missing because of the lack of the start button?

Edited by zicoz, Feb 17 2013, 1:14pm :

zicoz said,
Personally I have yet to see a single good argument for why the old ways of doing things were better then the new one.
...
People complain about the start screen taking over the entire screen, but it's not as if you're doing anything else while you've got the start screen open anyways. On top of that you can always use the "run" window to open your calculator or notepad.

The start screen mixed with the new "power user" is simply a more effective way to work then the old start menu.


Wrong answers. Let's take them one at a time:

Taking over the entire screen: I have multiple windows open at once on the desktop, file browser, Photoshop, Outlook, PowerPoint... do I prefer having multiple windows where I can quickly switch between them or be stuck in a full-screen app and have to keep seeing flip... flip... flip... as I go from one to the next? Get real, I'd choose the multiple windows on the desktop and so would anyone wanting to be productive. The Start Screen is a wonderful barrier to that productivity and a reason why having the desktop (and the Start Menu) is much easier for someone like myself. As another commentator pointed out, Microsoft makes some of the routine functions you want to access difficult to get to through the Start Screen.

*SHINY!* is not the best way to go, and in Microsoft's case, they're convincing folks that their *SHINY!* interface is great... meanwhile, those of us who want to remain productive will keep modifying our systems to eliminate the *SHINY!* factor so that we can stay productive.

The start screen and windows 8 apps are two different things. You can use the start screen and still run only desktop apps if you choose.

They could at least fix what they did with the search function.
Try to open the real Windows Update (not the limited version, the full Windows Update from Windows).

Start menu: start, UPDATE, enter.
With Metro: start, UPDATE, down, down, enter, right, down, enter. (and maybe you get unlimited lives too, but you have to enter the code realy fast!)


Give me that and I would try harder to use metro.
(Allow me to really multitask and I would try to use metro apps too)

On the Desktop, I have pinned the Control Panel to the Taskbar. For things that open in the Control Panel (such as Windows Update, Device Manager, System, File History, Power Options, etc.), I can right click that pinned Taskbar icon, and then on the JumpList, click the Pin icon next to any entry to pin it permanently.

For me, getting to the "real Windows Update" is 2 clicks... Right click the pinned Control Panel, then click Windows Update.

I don't use the Start Screen very often -- usually to do a search for a program or OS function that launches on the Desktop, where I then pin to Taskbar.

Good luck!

aristofeles said,
They could at least fix what they did with the search function.
Try to open the real Windows Update (not the limited version, the full Windows Update from Windows).

Start menu: start, UPDATE, enter.
With Metro: start, UPDATE, down, down, enter, right, down, enter. (and maybe you get unlimited lives too, but you have to enter the code realy fast!)


Give me that and I would try harder to use metro.
(Allow me to really multitask and I would try to use metro apps too)

or on the desktop rightlcick the action center flag and click windows update, oh god that was hard

DKAngel said,

or on the desktop rightlcick the action center flag and click windows update, oh god that was hard

exactly, these guys are supposedly "power users" yet they don't know that all these options are very easy to still access on the desktop.

PUC_Snakeman said,
On the Desktop, I have pinned the Control Panel to the Taskbar. For things that open in the Control Panel (such as Windows Update, Device Manager, System, File History, Power Options, etc.), I can right click that pinned Taskbar icon, and then on the JumpList, click the Pin icon next to any entry to pin it permanently.

For me, getting to the "real Windows Update" is 2 clicks... Right click the pinned Control Panel, then click Windows Update.

I don't use the Start Screen very often -- usually to do a search for a program or OS function that launches on the Desktop, where I then pin to Taskbar.

Good luck!


Or, as DKAngel stated, this could work too:

Win Key + X + P

aristofeles said,
They could at least fix what they did with the search function.
Try to open the real Windows Update (not the limited version, the full Windows Update from Windows).

Start menu: start, UPDATE, enter.

Not a good idea. I've seen on a number of computers this launch something other than Windows update. The best query is windows upd and it works just the same on Windows 7 as it does on Windows 8.

John Callaham said,
The debate spilled over in our forums, where Neowin member warwagon launched a member poll which asked, "Do you want the start menu in Windows 8?" As of this writing, the "Yes" votes are slightly ahead with 52.85 percent, compared to "No" with 47.15 percent.

And I was one of them

The startbutton has been relocated to the charm-bar (on the right side) but you can stil use the lower left corner. Press on the corner has a similar effect to the startbutton, it opens the startmenu. The startmenu is now fullscreen and called a startscreen.

I understand not everybody likes these changes but they arent the end of the world. Some people are overreacting. To me it just sounds like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHpdgHTINik

Ronnet said,
...

Except when using the modern Remote Desktop App, hotcorners are always local machine.
this is an annoyance.
shortcut keys are awesome tho.
Only a minor inconvenience.

Power user
Windows 7: windows key + type "uac" and press enter = it opens the User Account Control window.

Windows 8 :
First try: windows key + type "uac"... nothing happens (nothing is show).
Second try: windows key + type "user account.." and it show the program, then press enter and.. nothing happens.
Third try: windows key + type "user account.." and it show the program, then click in the icon of the program and, at last, it opens.

IMHO, windows 8 it is not so bad, but i will wait for windows 9. Right now:
Windows 8 destkop = not for touch device.
Office 2013 = not for touch device.
Explorer (WIndows 8) = not for touch device
Even the calculator of windows 8 (destkop) is not for touch device.
Modern UI = for touch device but poor for non-touch device.

Edited by Brony, Feb 17 2013, 1:20pm :

uac is now in settings, press the windows key + type uac + press down arrow.

The only thing I don't like about windows 8 is that they separated the searches, apps settings and files. I wish I didn't have to take that extra step in finding what I wanted.

I agree. There is so much wasted space on the results screen when it finds nothing or very little in Apps. They should just show the Settings and File results there as well.

the think that I missed the most from start menu is concentrated search. Now start screen categorize searches as app, files, setting. It also seems to be slower.

I don't see how better sorted results can be a bad thing, and I don't agree that it's slower either, it's instant for my results at least.

zicoz said,
I don't see how better sorted results can be a bad thing, and I don't agree that it's slower either, it's instant for my results at least.

The results aren't "sorted" though. You specifically have to filter for what you're looking for. They were sorted in the old start menu as they all appeared at the same time under different section headings.

Yea, pretty much my only problem.

The real beauty of the new sorting is that it also is kind of broken... Power Options, Disk Management, Device Manager, Computer Management, Programs and Features, sounds like settings right? They do, but they are all found under apps, meanwhile Services for example is in settings labelled as "View local services".

With the new start screen using all available space on one screen you'd think they'd be able to present results from multiple categories in a nice way wouldn't you? Even the cramped old little start menu had enough space for that...

I have a desktop system with a large non-touch screen (2560*1600). Fullscreen apps that take over the entire real estate, even if only temporarily, make no sense. So I use Start8 and it makes my daily work significantly easier. I get a UI that I can work with, and the performance improvements in Win8.

I much prefer a start button for several simple reasons:
- When I click it, it only takes over part of the screen. I can still see what I had open. No annoying change of the entire screen. And no madly flashing distracting tiles while I look for the app I want.
- It groups related icons into folders, rather than dumping them all over a single screen. The Start screen is untidy and is going to get worse as you add more apps. What use is a tile marked "uninstall" if you don't know what program it related to? The start menu automatically grouped it with the app that installed it.

So what exactly do you manage to do while you've got the start menu open? I'm sorry but not being able to see what you have open isn't really an issue that causes any actual problems unless your memory is terrible.

- Things are grouped on the start screen as well, just left click and open the "all apps" section. And I have yet to see a program that adds a "uninstall" tile to the start screen.

Take "Mediaportal 2" for instance. It creates the regular folder structure with the uninstall button in the "all apps" section, but it only adds "Mediaportal " and "Mediaportal 2 Server" to the start screen, and if you right click one of those tiles you get the "uninstall" option from the pop-up line at the bottom of the screen. Click that and it opens the "program and features" section of control panel.

And you do know that you can edit the start screen to show exactly what you want it to show right? So it's only as messy as you keep it. Removing things takes you one click per item + one click on "unpin"

zicoz said,
So what exactly do you manage to do while you've got the start menu open? I'm sorry but not being able to see what you have open isn't really an issue that causes any actual problems unless your memory is terrible.

It's only a difference of a second or two, but for example, if I am reading something in one window, and I need to open a new program I can do so entirely without looking away and losing my place. Sometimes I can even do this during the read, depending on how good my muscle memory is that day.

Also how about this. I only have one monitor, and I'm watching a video, while I watch I want to open a program for some reason.. maybe I'm watching a tutorial or something. With the start screen I have to pause the video, or miss some of it, with the start menu I can have both up at the same time.


zicoz said,
Things are grouped on the start screen as well, just left click and open the "all apps" section. And I have yet to see a program that adds a "uninstall" tile to the start screen.

My problem with this is that the start screen should work better with legacy installers. All those useless uninstall icons just shouldn't automatically pin to my start screen. I don't want to have to micromanage it all the time.


Having said all that I use StartIsBack and I've been very happy with it. I don't mind having both as I do.

Although I WOULD like to see a native option for booting directly to the desktop instead of the start screen.

This pretty much sums up what they need to address. I think they can address these issues without going back to the old way, but making adjustments to what they have already done. I don't like my entire screen being replace by the search, I think it should not hide what you are currently working on.

And the All Apps screen is a freaking mess.

MS has a chance to address many of these concerns with the Blue update. I'm ok that they didn't get Win 8 perfect, but I won't be ok if they don't get Blue right, I'll be ****ed.

gb8080 said,
What use is a tile marked "uninstall" if you don't know what program it related to? The start menu automatically grouped it with the app that installed it.

Microsoft has been saying since Vista that software vendors should only install shortcuts to launch the main application to the start menu. Uninstall is a feature that should be managed by the "Programs and Features" applet.
The fact that you see this behavior is not Microsoft's fault, but rather the crappy application vendors you're inclined to use.
As a result, you need to clean up a little bit or complain to the people who make the applications you insist on installing.

deadonthefloor said,

Microsoft has been saying since Vista that software vendors should only install shortcuts to launch the main application to the start menu. Uninstall is a feature that should be managed by the "Programs and Features" applet.
The fact that you see this behavior is not Microsoft's fault, but rather the crappy application vendors you're inclined to use.
As a result, you need to clean up a little bit or complain to the people who make the applications you insist on installing.

It's not just uninstall links that show up. You also commonly get things like links to help files or settings utilities, etc, etc. Again, I don't want to have to micromanage this. Stuff shouldn't get pinned to the start screen without my explicit say so. It would be akin to every program you install pinning itself + all associated utilities to the taskbar or the old start menu in windows 7. It's a bit of a mess.

It's not something that comes up so often that it makes it unusable but it IS annoying.

I was bitching and moaning about the start menu at first too and even went ahead and bought Start8. Now the only purpose it serves on my one laptop is to bring up the actual start screen. Once you get used to it it really isn't so bad. Often when I do development work I use one of my Windows 7 virtual machines where the start menu is a lot more appropriate but that too is starting to feel dated now. My new VM on Windows Azure that I've been trying out runs Server 2012 which also has the same UI. It still actually works quite well especially when you're remotely logged in using touch enabled device. So the moral of the story is stop hating and get with the times. Otherwise there's always Windows 7 which still works quite well, you know?

Not sure what the problem is here.

Windows has always been extensible through third party applications and there are thousands of examples of applications that add things to Windows, such as Stardock's WindowBlinds, the many codecs that are added to Windows and more.

Microsoft doesn't need to add a Start menu. If you want one, there are plenty of third-party ones out there. Simple!

Windows is not extensible, in the sense of how Linux is really extensible. Instead,it relies in some hacks. For example Windows Blind, it brings stunning skins for windows but at expense of performance and reliability.

For example, is it possible to bring back Aero (real aero) to Windows 8?.

But I wasn't comparing it to Linux though - fact is Windows is still extensible with addons and applications that build on what is there already. The fact that developers have already added their version of the Start menu shows this. Microsoft doesn't need to add a Start menu, especially when developers have the freedom to add it themselves.

To answer your question, it's entirely possible to bring back Aero and developers have already demonstrated their take on it (whether it's the same or different from the original is beside the point).

This is about the second or third article that Neowin has posted on the frontpage. You know all this is just going to generate hits and (worst) another flamewar?

For this one, it's a popular topic of debate from the forums that people are interested in contributing to and reading about. As a "From the Forums" topic, this is taking hot and popular content from the forums and featuring it, and that's what's been done here. Of course we want people to read the articles, since we wouldn't be around otherwise, and having an article based on a topic that's popular will generate more interest.

TL;DR Popular topic posted to Front Page as a feature.

Chasethebase said,
For this one, it's a popular topic of debate from the forums that people are interested in contributing to and reading about. As a "From the Forums" topic, this is taking hot and popular content from the forums and featuring it, and that's what's been done here. Of course we want people to read the articles, since we wouldn't be around otherwise, and having an article based on a topic that's popular will generate more interest.

TL;DR Popular topic posted to Front Page as a feature.


Well, if you want a flamewar, go ahead and moderate it.

Just remind yourself that the bans/warning put out is because you guys posted this on the frontpage This is a topic that should stay on the forums.

Anyhow, it is Neowin's page and they are free to do whatever they want.

The topic is on the forums, it just shows it to a wider audience, when you have a member account, you can comment both in the forums and on the front page. This would get those who rarely enter the forum to possibly enter this topic and contribute their opinion and their two cents, further bolstering the discussion that currently exists.

Especially with the ability to select which tiles appear in the snap view. Then it would really become useful (dashboard like).

The ability to keep the start page on a 2nd monitor on multi monitor setups would be nice too.

Thx. Indeed you can. Just went dual.

Edit: No you can't. You can keep it "on" the second screen, but you can't keep it open on the second screen. If you can, l'll take instruction.

Microsoft should add back the Start button, but with the intention of it working only 0.01% of the time. The other 99.9% will result in BSoD. That'll teach 'em!