From The Forums: Windows 8 from an OS X user perspective

On occasion, we like to highlight posts from our forum and let our readers do the talking. On this edition on “From the Forums”, Medfordite has written up a post that talks about Windows 8 from the perspective of a OS X user.

We have posted one snippet of his three part post that draws parallels to that of OS X and also highlights some of the differences between the two platforms.

Drill to desktop

There are a lot of people that discount Windows 8 because of the whole Metro Screen taking place of their beloved Desktop. It is often the short sightedness of people that haven’t used Windows 8 that form these conclusions. I used to be one of them and it wasn’t until I messed around with it, that I quickly learned that it is quite easy to access the Desktop and live in that world just the same as you would with older versions of Windows. And look here! I am accessing the desktop just the same as I would a Mac! (Metro Screen as a Dashboard).

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Sure it's an awesome OS. Also it's easy to use. Nobody understands it lol hehe jk. Don't make fun of it. You really should try it though Hope it gets good coverage. Oh and it did give some games better fps. Only get it if you buy a new machine as it's more compat. Kill me for liking it...

Consider me an insider... what you were told cannot be taken to heart.

Since getting Windows 8 I hardly use OS X - which feels tired in comparison. There were some things that I preferred in Windows 7 but I don't miss them enough to roll back. I actually rather like the Start Menu.

Bla,Bla,Bla Look if your happy with what you have got,Please,PLEASE....STFU!!

If you don't like something,don't try to diss guys that like it

Win7 is good "But" I like win8... Am i a sinner *Cough*

I like how because I bought it, installed it, used it, and removed it, my opinion doesn't count because I'm automatically a hater.

Go to hell. :-)

I don't really give a flying fig what mac users think of Windows 8. I'll accept it when it works properly on my hardware.

Except that OSX dashboard is not displayed by default, and
there's no distinction between apps bought in an online closed store, and regular apps.

I don't understand the people who want to make Windows 8, look/behave like Windows 7. Why bother upgrading then?

xbbdc said,
I don't understand the people who want to make Windows 8, look/behave like Windows 7. Why bother upgrading then?

lol... I don't have start8 or anything but are you serious? Win8 offers no other benefits?

xbbdc said,
I don't understand the people who want to make Windows 8, look/behave like Windows 7. Why bother upgrading then?

Functionality come to mind.

lexp said,
What functionality are you talking about?

Depends on the user really. Maybe they want W8's improvements, but work in the same way as they did on 7. Customise to your needs.

Luc2k said,

Depends on the user really. Maybe they want W8's improvements, but work in the same way as they did on 7. Customise to your needs.

what improvements?

Sonne said,

what improvements?

For me it would be hybrid boot, file transfer and task manager, but I have good alternatives on 7.

I use Windows 8 the majority of the time now, but I am not so emotionally invested in the product that I would label people who simply don't like it as "haters". Why the hyperbolic language? It smacks of some religious fanatic crying "blasphemer" when their doctrines are challenged or insulted. Try being more open minded in regards to people you disagree with. Personal preferences are hard to control, and even harder to objectively rationalize.

mzta cody said,
I use Windows 8 the majority of the time now, but I am not so emotionally invested in the product that I would label people who simply don't like it as "haters". Why the hyperbolic language? It smacks of some religious fanatic crying "blasphemer" when their doctrines are challenged or insulted. Try being more open minded in regards to people you disagree with. Personal preferences are hard to control, and even harder to objectively rationalize.

There are not many people who call those who do not like Win8 "haters." That is usually a term reserved for anyone who may from time to time have something negative to say about an Apple product. For example I bought a new iPod Nano over the weekend, and the Bluetooth on it cuts out from time to time. Saying such things will cause me, once again, to receive the label of hater.

The only time I really see the use of the word hater being thrown at someone who does not like Win8 is when it is obviously over the top. For example, if someone were to say "I never used Win8 because I think it is stupid and all the people who like it are either being paid by Microsoft or don't know better" - they deserve to be called haters, and yes, that and much worse has been said before.

I'm sure no hater. I paid for a copy of Windows 8, I gave it 2 cracks of the whip. Used it for a week the first time and 2 weeks the second time and it just repeatedly caused me problems. bad_pool_header blue screens when mastering a Vista image the first time around, USB device problems the second time around. I'm still convinced that Windows 8 was rushed in a similar manner to Vista and that it's going to take some time to iron out all the kinks but I'm staying with 7 until it does. It's a source of frustration to me that the sycophants on Neowin label anyone a hater that doesn't think Microsoft devs poop gold dust regardless of the product in question. I've been using Windows for more than 10 years so I am hardly a hater.

Javik said,
I'm sure no hater. I paid for a copy of Windows 8, I gave it 2 cracks of the whip. Used it for a week the first time and 2 weeks the second time and it just repeatedly caused me problems. bad_pool_header blue screens when mastering a Vista image the first time around, USB device problems the second time around. I'm still convinced that Windows 8 was rushed in a similar manner to Vista and that it's going to take some time to iron out all the kinks but I'm staying with 7 until it does. It's a source of frustration to me that the sycophants on Neowin label anyone a hater that doesn't think Microsoft devs poop gold dust regardless of the product in question. I've been using Windows for more than 10 years so I am hardly a hater.

If you're having that many problems why haven't you asked whether you've got driver or faulty hardware? I've got a Lenovo ThinkCentre M92p and haven't experienced a single BSOD yet, a single issue where the whole computer has collapsed into a screaming heap. I wouldn't call you a hater but someone who is largely ignorant of the factors that contribute to whether your experience with Windows will be stable and unstable - not every problem you've experienced is down to "Microsoft rushing like they did with Vista" (to paraphrase) as you claimed.

Windows 8 is quite nice. Public always complains about any kind of change. It's not as bad as when Facebook rearranged their timeline. People just freaked out. Wanted to sue Facebook. Give me a break.

I've only used windows 8 a handful of times and really don't see the point of it. It looks like it has a skin over the top of windows 7 and I really dislike the metro look( I do like it on windows phone). I was big fan of Windows 7 and office 2007/10. But really not liking the direction MS are heading, used office 13 last week and hated outlook interface, had to revert back to 2010.

I usually like MS stuff but the new direction its going, I can't really say I'm a fan at the minute and won't be changing any time soon.

Edited by xendrome, Feb 5 2013, 8:32pm :

volodoscope said,
You can't judge something or how useful it is from your 10 minutes of "playing around." That's very unproductive way of trying things.

But but people say it's the same thing as W7 /s

Seriously though, it is pretty much the same thing with some minor improvements and Metro slapped on top. Personally, I find W8's UI ugly and I'm not talking about Metro.

I am not a fan of Windows 8 due to the problems I have had with it but Office 2013 grew on me and I've started running it full time now. It's extremely well optimised, the applications start up extremely quickly, and the hardware accelerated typing is rather nice once you get used to it. However there's no need to throw insults at him for having a differing opinion to yours (aimed at thenetavenger, wouldn't quote for some reason)

R3DL1N3 said,

HAHAH has to be the Stupidest single thing I've ever read on these forums.. LOL I just can't stop laughing.. Man thanks.. you really can't make this kind of stupid up...

how's 8th grade?

Luc2k said,

But but people say it's the same thing as W7 /s

Seriously though, it is pretty much the same thing with some minor improvements and Metro slapped on top. Personally, I find W8's UI ugly and I'm not talking about Metro.


Make the borders black I cant stand all the ill chosen default colors. but making it black sortoff makes the whole border thing invisble. give it a nice background image and your taskbar looks special
One of the few choices in Windows 8 i dislike is the limiting of customization out of the box.
But its all documented and 3rd parties can easily do as they wish with Windows.
I barely use the start screen, i find it easier then the start menu, but also as with the start menu.. becomes a mess with allot in there. Be it that organising is ALLOT easier on Win8 vs Win7.
Other then this Windows 8 is just king, anyone who just hates it is in my eyes just ignorant and idiotic. The overal advantages Windows 8 brings over Windows 7 is insane. On high ends the difference seems less, but i've seen Windows 8 do absolute magic to low end machines.

For those all hating the start menu, it takes less work to revert back to Win7 or previous style then to constantly spread your nonsense around. And then enjoy all the improvements.
You can even make Windows 8 look almost identical to XP if you so desire.

Well, I won't look back. I've found W8 to be as stable as later releases of 7 and actually like using the Modern UI "start screen". I've become pretty proficient with kbd shortcuts as well.

Doesnt matter to haters that you use Windows 8 95% the same way as you used Windows 7. It's just rubbish and they can't be convinced otherwise.

McKay said,
Doesnt matter to haters that you use Windows 8 95%

You can come pretty close to 100% if you use Start8 to enable booting to the desktop and have it disable all hot corners on the Desktop.

One great Start8 feature that's only been included in the current beta version is to take you back to the Desktop even after you've *closed* a Metro app. That means you can Alt-F4 out of Metro apps (and thus keep the Alt-Tab switcher clean) without ever seeing the Start screen. Makes it much much more enjoyable to integrate the occasional Metro app into your workflow.

CSharp. said,

You can come pretty close to 100% if you use Start8 to enable booting to the desktop and have it disable all hot corners on the Desktop.

One great Start8 feature that's only been included in the current beta version is to take you back to the Desktop even after you've *closed* a Metro app. That means you can Alt-F4 out of Metro apps (and thus keep the Alt-Tab switcher clean) without ever seeing the Start screen. Makes it much much more enjoyable to integrate the occasional Metro app into your workflow.

Or you could dock your programs folder to the Taskbar, and hit the WinKey-D after you are done using a program, then it is exactly like Windows 7, and you didn't have to pay for a fake Start Menu.

Or another way of looking at it - MS knowingly picked a fight with a much larger section of their loyal userbase over a minor mandate dictated by marketing and management to push consumers into their store. Just like they did with the XBox...

A Mac user liking it is supposed to make us feel better instead being a testament to what is wrong?

thenetavenger said,
hit the WinKey-D after you are done using a program, then it is exactly like Windows 7

No. In that case, the application remains listed in the Alt-Tab (and Win-Tab) switcher. Which is exactly what I'm trying to avoid.

Plus, I like the consistency of being able to close an app by pressing Alt-F4 regardless of whether it's a Desktop app or Metro app instead of having to think of one shortcut for closing a Metro app and another one to achieve the same thing for a Desktop app.

And to make a (larger) point: Personally, I'd rather avoid Metro apps *completely* if It wasn't for Start8, which at least helps to somewhat reduce the points of contact with the annoying new conceptual model where the Desktop counts as an app in the Metro environment but also itself hosts (legacy) apps with seperate methods for switching between Metro apps only (multitasking bar), both Metro and Desktop apps combined (Alt-Tab) or Desktop apps only (taskbar). I know Microsoft wants users to think of the "Desktop as an app", but it makes no sense at all to me.

Dashel said,
Or another way of looking at it - MS knowingly picked a fight with a much larger section of their loyal userbase over a minor mandate dictated by marketing and management to push consumers into their store. Just like they did with the XBox...

A Mac user liking it is supposed to make us feel better instead being a testament to what is wrong?

Do explain in what way the Windows Store benefits or replaces the old way of finding applications for Windows 8 Pro.
Don't worry, I'll wait.

The Windows Store at this point doesn't host any Desktop apps, not including the few shortcuts to the actual Desktop app's website.

Maybe in a future release of Windows, the Windows Store will start offering Desktop apps, but even then.... Do you HONESTLY believe that you won't be able to install applications outside of the Windows Store?
Take a look at the App Store on OS X.
The only thing it did is allow for devs to have a central directory to list their app in, but they dont have to, its completely up to them.

When I first started using my iMac, I went to the App Store and browsed around then downloaded a few apps that I thought I would like. It was nice having a uniform system that showed reviews, etc.

Hopefully Microsoft does the same. I'm sure they will. They follow Apple in every other aspect. After all, they seem to just have improved on Apple's Launchpad and Dashboard.
http://km.support.apple.com/li...HT5548/HT5548_100----en.png

McKay said,
Doesnt matter to haters that you use Windows 8 95% the same way as you used Windows 7. It's just rubbish and they can't be convinced otherwise.

BS, I have Windows 7 on Main Rig, Server 2012 on server, and Windows 8 on HTPC, and and windows 8 is never going on my main rig, and it it gets on my nerves few more times, it will go off the HTPC. Start8 does help a lot, but there are so many more annoyances.

CSharp. said,
No. In that case, the application remains listed in the Alt-Tab (and Win-Tab) switcher. Which is exactly what I'm trying to avoid.

Plus, I like the consistency of being able to close an app by pressing Alt-F4 regardless of whether it's a Desktop app or Metro app instead of having to think of one shortcut for closing a Metro app and another one to achieve the same thing for a Desktop app.

Microsoft have had a whole blog plus several hundred hours of MSDN channel 9 videos explaining the difference between a traditional win32 applications vs. a WinRT 'modern' application. If you want to ignore all the reasoning behind the change and instead being like a petualant child banging their fist on the table whilst screaming, "I want, I want, I want!" then quite frankly the conversation is going to go no where quickly.

For me I think that Metro does have a place in the future but for now I'm happy with using Windows 8 just as I've done with Windows 7 with all the applications I have are win32 if you exclude the one Metro application I use regularly - MetroTweet.

Mr Nom Nom's said,
Microsoft have had a whole blog plus several hundred hours of MSDN channel 9 videos explaining the difference between a traditional win32 applications vs. a WinRT 'modern' application. If you want to ignore all the reasoning behind the change and instead being like a petualant child banging their fist on the table whilst screaming, "I want, I want, I want!" then quite frankly the conversation is going to go no where quickly.

You're frankly not doing your cause any good by insulting me. There is no need for that. I explained my reasoning behind using Start8 and how it has helped make my Windows 8 experience more enjoyable. I'm aware of and I am not ignoring Microsoft's reasoning, I simply disagree with the way they've decided to integrate Metro with the Desktop and have therefore personally decided that venturing into the Metro environment is mostly not worth it to me. Microsoft have made their decisions, and at this point I've made mine. The Start8-enhanced Windows 8 is fine for what I still need Windows for. I'm frankly at a loss how you can compare that to a "petulant child banging their fist on the table while screaming 'I want, I want, I want'...

Typical cop out and leading argument MidTx, and completely beside the point.

That you are another delusional Apple user that thinks MS copied it, is only icing.

Dashel said,
Typical cop out and leading argument MidTx, and completely beside the point.

That you are another delusional Apple user that thinks MS copied it, is only icing.

Meh... I'm not just an "Apple user". I use Microsoft, Apple, and Linux devices/software.
Doesn't take a genius to see the resemblance. I dont care if they copied it or not.

I love Windows 8 and think the delusional ones are the people who are up in arms over the start menu.

CSharp. said,
You're frankly not doing your cause any good by insulting me. There is no need for that. I explained my reasoning behind using Start8 and how it has helped make my Windows 8 experience more enjoyable. I'm aware of and I am not ignoring Microsoft's reasoning, I simply disagree with the way they've decided to integrate Metro with the Desktop and have therefore personally decided that venturing into the Metro environment is mostly not worth it to me. Microsoft have made their decisions, and at this point I've made mine. The Start8-enhanced Windows 8 is fine for what I still need Windows for. I'm frankly at a loss how you can compare that to a "petulant child banging their fist on the table while screaming 'I want, I want, I want'...

I am not insulting you but pointing out your attitude to which you proved when you raised this:

Plus, I like the consistency of being able to close an app by pressing Alt-F4 regardless of whether it's a Desktop app or Metro app instead of having to think of one shortcut for closing a Metro app and another one to achieve the same thing for a Desktop app.

Whilst ignoring that a Metro/Modern application is designed to go into a state of suspension rather than opening/closing/loading/unloading like a traditional win32 application. Again, there is a reason why Metro/Modern application behalves the way it does and you whining that you disagree is immaterial to the fact that there is a reason behind it and either you accept those facts or continue to live in a parallel universe of denialism. All this has been addressed and quite frankly you opinion on the matter doesn't matter one iota unless you're going to advocate that Microsoft should have jettisoned win32 and had a pure Metro/Modern UI of which then a whole new conversation is started.

Honestly, you'd think that you were constantly using Metro/Modern application all day next to your win32 and for some strange reason you're becoming disoriented and confused as you switch between applications.

Mr Nom Nom's said,
you whining .

There you go again...

Let me reiterate what I said before: I provided reasoning for why I personally enjoy Windows 8 much more if it is used in conjunction with *Start8* - that's all. I thought some people might like to know about the latest feature added to Start8 where closing a Metro app takes you back to the Desktop.

If my opinion on this matter "doesn't matter one iota", feel free to ignore it.

Mr Nom Nom's said,
ignoring that a Metro/Modern application is designed to go into a state of suspension rather than opening/closing/loading/unloading like a traditional win32 application.

Again, I've already expanded on why I choose not to rely on that mechanism.