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Xbox: 'Microsoft has its teeth kicked in'

NTUsEr   on 29 March 2002 - 00:42 · 39 comments & 821 views

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Leave it to EA's ever-controversial president John Riccitiello to put the boot. According to El Ricco, by way of Blooomberg,

"Microsoft has had its teeth kicked in, in both Europe and Japan". Ouch. This may help explain why EA has been quietly shuffling all of their European Xbox releases further back into the summer for the last few weeks...

Bloomberg has picked up on what we all suspected already, reporting that the Xbox has fallen short of its sales targets in both Europe and Japan.

Sales in Japan slumped to around 10,000 units a week by its third week on sale there, meaning that the initial shipment of 250,000 Xboxes which were sent to Japan on February 22nd almost certainly haven't all been sold yet, a month on from the console's launch.

And while European numbers still aren't being given out, it is obvious that things haven't gone as well as Microsoft had hoped in many countries on this side of the pond.

News source: The Reg


According to Google spokesman Nate Tyler, the company is merely trying to prevent other search crawlers from hurting the performance of its site.

"We have blocked other spiders from fully crawling our site because it would require too many server resources on our end to support that," said Tyler, who noted that Google takes great care when indexing other sites so as not to overload them.

According to a database maintained by The Web Robots Pages, there are 284 robots that actively crawl the Web under names including Googlebot, Inktomi Slurp, and AltaVista Scooter.

Most crawlers honor the Robots Exclusion Protocol, which specifies that robots should check a site for a file named robots.txt for a list of "disallowed" directories and adhere to it when indexing the site.

A comparison today by Newsbytes of robots files at other major Web destinations revealed sharp contrasts in the sites' attitude toward Web crawlers.

Some leading portals, such as those operated by Yahoo, AOL, Microsoft, Amazon and Lycos, have no robots file at all and apparently give search spiders free reign to index all of their pages.

Others, including AltaVista, only disallow bots from crawling in directories that contain program files.

Some big sites, however, attempt to block search crawlers completely. The robots file for the New York Times site, for example, appears to disallow search bots from accessing any of its archived content.

Ebay, which successfully sued a specialized search site that was trawling its online auction listings, uses a prohibitive robots file that begins with a simple comment: "Go away."

Similarly, CNN.com's file shoos away search spiders with a comment that states, "Robots, scram."

According to Danny Sullivan, editor of SearchEngineWatch.com, Google may be attempting to prevent other search sites from "harvesting" its proprietary newsgroup archives and other content.

"Having a robots file doesn't just protect your resources. It can also protect your intellectual property," said Sullivan, who added that a site's failure to restrict access to proprietary content through a robots file could limit its legal position in copyright infringement cases.

Sullivan noted, however, that respecting a site's robots file is entirely voluntary, and that "rogue" search bots are likely to ignore it altogether. For that reason, some sites may eschew robots files and instead block certain Internet protocol addresses that are associated with "impolite" spiders, he said.

In fact, some experts have argued that robots files provide snoops with clear instructions on how to find the most sensitive areas of a Web site.

Bertrand Meyer, a software expert who developed a computer language called Eiffel, observed in a 1998 message to the RISKS mailing list that itemizing disallowed directories in a robots file is akin to telling someone, "Here is what I am not telling you."

"I think there are some basic flaws in this mechanism. If I'm a bad guy, the robots file is the first place I'm going to start looking," Meyer said in an interview Wednesday.

A link to Meyer's posting is tucked into the beginning of the robots file at Sun Microsystem's site. The comments section of the file at Sun.com explains in considerable detail the company's justification for disallowing bots in seven directories.

According to Sun's file, which begins with the words, "A note to those who'd bother to look at this file," the company is not trying to hide proprietary content. Instead, the purpose of its robots file is to prevent users from downloading the pages without first registering with Sun, the file stated.


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#1 Osiris on 29 Mar 2002 - 01:29
ouch, poor XBOX
#2 afext on 29 Mar 2002 - 02:31
Lies! It's all lies! Only microsoft knows the truth, and they said everything is OK! Course, thats cos they only made projections of them selling ONE xbox, so selling two is EXCEEDING EXPECTATIONS BY [b]200%[/b]! Heheheeee... I love my xbox.
#3 mmr2001 on 29 Mar 2002 - 02:41
PS2 is the market leader, accept it. Accept it for a long time. The best that Microsoft can do is to tell game companys to bring the ps2 popular titles to the xbox, how sad. If you don't believe me look at the sales figures.
#4 prell on 29 Mar 2002 - 02:50
in my opinion, the best thing the xbox has done is sparked more competition, resulting in better ps2, et al games
(2 replies) #5 nekrosoft13 on 29 Mar 2002 - 03:04
x-box technically is a better console than ps2. it has about 3 times the power. but i will stick with my pc
#5.1 vettimdorr on 29 Mar 2002 - 07:14
OH I get it! So games have some sort of good_game() function in them. And by having more power, you can make the games better! I get it! Gameplay and quality make no difference! It's how powerful the system is!!
#5.2 SimonHi on 31 Mar 2002 - 00:05
The quality of games availiable for the X is amazing, great games you can really get your teeth into. The graphics are awesome, the attention to detail, the number of polygons, the textures, it is just so amazing to look at. It if by far the most impressive console on so many levels. But I will also be sticking to PC. I like Quake III, RTC Wolfenstien and strategy. Say no more.
#6 mugs on 29 Mar 2002 - 03:58
im happy with my xbox, thats all that matters to me
#7 Generation X on 29 Mar 2002 - 04:57
you guys should stop arguing over which is selling more or which is better and set your mind to think theyre both the best out there and love both systems the same...i'd get the xbox and the ps2 if i got that choice...if i had to pick one thing i'd pick a pc which i did two months ago...
(1 reply) #8 vetDazzla on 29 Mar 2002 - 05:09
Thats what they get for ripping the UK consumers off
#8.1 MikeS2k on 29 Mar 2002 - 19:30
true
#9 bubka on 29 Mar 2002 - 05:30
xbux
#10 zionath on 29 Mar 2002 - 07:22
[quote]Thats what they get for ripping the UK consumers off [/quote] i agree I H8 XBOX MICROSOFT P|SSING TRYING TO MAKE QUAKE 4 XBOX ONLY!!! ain't gonna work!

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(2 replies) #11 rvbcrs on 29 Mar 2002 - 09:32
Hahaha, you guys, WAKE UP, all the consoles are kiddy toys, buy a PC and get yourself some REAL gamez, al that talking about the XBOX being a supersystem or the PS2 having better gamez, try an ATHLON 2000+ with a GeForce 4, pop in JEDI KNIGHT 2 or Empire Earth, or wait for the new Unreal Tournament 2003 and you don't believe your own eyes... THE PC RULEZ!!! Games like Unreal Tournament, Quake, Serious Sam, name them all, also the RTS gamez like C&C or Dune, THEY DON'T PLAY ON A CONSOLE, THEY JUST DON'T, Max Payne is a good example of a good port from PC to PS2, I admit that, but playing the game is just awfull!!! Stop the war guys, buy all a PC...

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#11.1 Palom on 29 Mar 2002 - 15:13
Maybe if the bulk of PC games didn't consist of two genres (first-person shooters and real-time strategy games) your argument might hold water. Consoles offer far more variety to the whole. Don't be so close-minded and expect everyone else to think your way. Just because others have different tastes doesn't make them wrong. What's next--are you going to declare that people who like vanilla over chocolate are uneducated? Give me a break.

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#11.2 SimonHi on 31 Mar 2002 - 00:07
Vanilla is the finest of the flavors.
#12 Hawkeye on 29 Mar 2002 - 10:40
Also realize that the XBox costs less than the Geforce4 Ti 4600 alone. I'd like to see you go buy a Geforce4 card and play games on it, or listen to CD's or watch DVD's. Oh. That's right. It's just a video card. It can't do any of that without a PC to go into. As I can recall, there isn't a DVD tray in any of the Geforce4 cards, so you can't play a game on the actual card. For $350, you have an XBox and Halo. That is all you need to pay to enjoy the best game of 2001. In order to get graphics like that of Halo for XBox on your PC, you need a good PC with a nice amount of RAM and a good processor, not to mention a Geforce4 Ti card, which would currently cost you at least the price of an XBox. Now can we please stop the senseless console bashing. The XBox, PS2, and GameCube are all very powerful consoles, and all have very impressive graphics, and they will all have a library of good games once each one of them has been out on the market for a year to 18 months. All three consoles have very rich companies behind them. It will be a long time (several years) before any of these three consoles indicates whether it has been a success or a failure. There are many posts in the forum that say something like, "Console A is good because of this. Console B is good for that. Console C is bad because of something else." I admit that I am somewhat guilty of it myself, but I want it all to just stop already. If you have seen the IGN forums, this went on for many months in the XBox, PS2, and GameCube forums, and it just became ridiculous. If you are happy with what you got, good. That is all that's important. There is no need to bash the other consoles. Can't the XBox, PS2, and GameCube owners and devotees just all get along? Console bashing indicates immaturity. The gaming forum was actually a nice place to visit before the console wars started. I feel that all the immature console bashing and fanboyism has somewhat hurt Neowin, which has been known for its maturity and professionalism.
#13 mariusu on 29 Mar 2002 - 10:57
playstation 2 rules the market and that is. it began everything with the playstatio 1 who "killed" sega and was more popular than the n64. now the ps2 rulzz because of its many supporters out there. even if the xbox is better, they have a hard way to go against ps2 and sony. and trying to get some very cool games only for the xbox won't help microsoft, other people like pc-users will hate them even more!
(1 reply) #14 velocity3k on 29 Mar 2002 - 11:04
It is all lies, lies i tell you..........
#14.1 zionath on 29 Mar 2002 - 11:18
MAN!!!! P|SSING MICROSOFT!!!
#15 -outcast- on 29 Mar 2002 - 11:22
'Microsoft has its teeth kicked in' and now they will choke on their teeth
(2 replies) #16 jwkuipers on 29 Mar 2002 - 15:46
Just remeber that the PS2 has been out for about a year and a half. The xbox has been out for about six monthes. In another year we should see the xbox about where the PS2 is right now - game quality and popularity. By then I think the PS2 will be sliding a bit.
#16.1 SimonHi on 31 Mar 2002 - 00:08
now that is a sensible comment. well done
#16.2 Joshie on 04 Apr 2002 - 02:10
Ya, but six months into PS2's life, it had tons of games "on the way." X-Box has been in a gray area for up-coming games from day one.
#17 Conan on 29 Mar 2002 - 17:29
It's all about the software and not the hardware.
#18 -outcast- on 29 Mar 2002 - 21:47
its not JUST all about the software.... look at dreamcast... its also about marketing... xbox has the best marketing but they dont have the best games...
(1 reply) #19 Robert_Hague on 29 Mar 2002 - 23:47
Ah but the reports of the dreamcast's death are greatly exaggerated (been wanting to say that for ages). Ok maybe they haven’t, and it is dead but the Dreamcast is doing better now than it ever did before because it’s now so damn cheap and the games are cheaper still (can get brand new games for £7) and the software is good. I think ive seen one Xbox advert to date. The hardware is also selling for stilly prices in stores. £400 for a console with a few games is daft.
#19.1 SimonHi on 31 Mar 2002 - 00:16
That is just the early bird price Remember that the PS2 dropped byt £100 in a couple of months the same will happen here and everyone will act all suprised when it does
#20 doom on 29 Mar 2002 - 23:59
pc is better than em all
#21 FunkyMike on 30 Mar 2002 - 14:18
yeah suck on my Geforce 4 TI and my 2.2 GHZ lol
#22 Robert_Hague on 30 Mar 2002 - 15:50
Suck on DOA3?. Show me a PC game on your 2.2ghz GF4 PC that looks that good. [img]http://www.e-shop.ru/catalog/COF9239_The_Dead_or_Alive_3/doa3_4.jpg[/img]
#23 iconman on 31 Mar 2002 - 01:30
Xbox is a waste of money a baby can take it apart
#24 thuggers on 31 Mar 2002 - 06:40
Rockstar knows where the money is, thats why they didn't fold to microsofts buy out attempts and is creating PS2 exclusives.. Xbox is nothing more than Sega Saturn², the only thing that is keeping it alive is microsofts huge budget. microsoft allready admitted that they are loosing $250 USD on each and every xbox sold... they don't expect to even turn a profit till 2004 at which point they will be FUXORED becuase PS3 will be out.
#25 eclipse on 31 Mar 2002 - 11:36
You guys, what the f*ck does it matter if the XBOX is better or the PS2 is better? One is better than the other in some things, and the other is better because of other things. The XBOX has a built in Modified version of an nv25 chip, which we all know is a GF4, and has better sound, and all around better hardware, but the PS2 has been out for a longer time, and though it can't compare in power, it ompares by the huge amount of support that it has because of the original PSX, and now because it was the best thing available when it came out to compete with the dreamcast. I personally don't care which is best or what MS says or sony says, or what the hell a PS3 is going to be or even an XBOX2 is going to be. You've got to realize something, GAMES AS FOR ENJOYMENT, so go ahead and enjoy the system you have and stop trying to rationalize your purchase!!! I have a Master System,a Genesis,a Super Famicon (SNES),a PSX(1), a N64, PS2, and an XBOX, and you know what? I often go back to play games like Super Mario World, and Alex Kid, but I love to play Metal Gear Solid 2, and HALO, so what? Should I be put to death because I love games? I have a GF4 and a nice PC, also for work and games, but again, just for the love of entertainment, not because one is better than the other, so put you petty litle excuses away, and just enjoy your purchase, and don't try to justify it by hatting the competition. It's like MAC users and PC user, this will never end. This is and editorial size post, but hey this is my 2 cents, hum more like 10 hehehe Eclipse

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#26 warjockey on 31 Mar 2002 - 18:24
I played XBox at my friend's house and he had 2 controlers and all the top games for it at the time. (Halo, Amped, Dead or Alive 3, Gotham Racing, and some NHL game) Honestly the ONLY game worth looking at was DoA 3. The graphics were good and it had pretty good moves but still I would say that Tekken Tag is by far the best of the two games. Now Gotham racing...ha! if you've played GT3 b4 you can spot immediately that this game sucks a horse's! but I did like the option that you can upload your own music that was pretty neat. I played Halo multiplayer and oh man did THAT leave a bad impression with me. Anyways tho, if it's a shooter you have to play it on the PC to enjoy it, because honestly I dunno how you can enjoy first shooter games on the console with those controllers...especially the XBox's. Amped was pretty good but we didn't pay much attention to it since it was too hard to learn ... and Finally NHL Blitz or whatever it was called, yeah it was a good game but I think I'll stick with NHL 2k2 on the PC since I can get it for free!. I know that I have compared some games with PS2 games but I don't think PS2 is good either. I have PS2 but after 2 months of having it with GT3 and FF10 I haven't touched it and I haven't even played FF10 yet. WHY?! you ask? Because simply the computer is the best gaming system EVER. Who cares about graphics, you need don't need to get the latest video card to play the best games, all you need is like a p3 800 with 200+ RAM and a Gforce2 MX and you're set. Basically what I'm trying to say is that consoles are good for a little while or to play when your first are over, but over all if you want to play serious games you'll go back to PC.
#27 Chicane-UK on 31 Mar 2002 - 23:04
Hm.. as much as I hate the Xbox, I decided not to come in here guns blazing slagging it off.. many people like it, which imho is fair enough - each to their own etc. But on the subject of European sales.. I dont know a SINGLE person over here who owns or knows someone that owns an Xbox.. I know this doesnt necessarily mean a lot, but I know a lot of game buying people with various consoles - at least 5 of them have PS2's. But no Xbox's.. I cant help but think that the sales figures will be dismal.
#28 antoinebj on 02 Apr 2002 - 08:05
In Europe, the XBox costs 120$ more than in the US, that's 420$ I hope they never get higher sales and totally go down, because they want to rip european people's money and favor americans
#29 billycrack on 03 Apr 2002 - 18:04
I like playing with a joystick, since I work with a keyboard all day and get tired of it. Consoles have better joysticks than PCs (xcept for flight sims). If you don't spend 3 hours a day on some PC games, you will not be good at those games *COUGH*CS*COUGH*. I play games to have fun and to (forget about my day's work) [not quite what I mean but can't find a better way to say it]; for that console games are much better, being more simplistic with better gameplay. One PC game is exceptional for the gameplay it provides: Unreal tournament. Period. By the way, ask yourself this question: how many PC games have you gone through with the feeling you had to go through again? I didn't even played the real Half-Life since I beat the big giant baby thingy at the end (oooops), even if it was sacred best PC game ever by PCWorld. But for console games... Super Metroid. Metal Gear Solid 1 Super Mario All-stars Castelvania: Symphony of the night Starfox Any Zelda game and a whole flock of fighting games (MK, KI, DOA, Tekken, BAT...) with dozens of sequels and hours of fun screwing with the fact that your 12-years-old neighboor always take Liu Kang. Ahhhh PC lovers, have fun with your viruses. I don't need to update the drivers on my Playstation. Don't forget that too much of a good thing can be bad. Try playing GTA1 on your 2.2Ghz beast. Better get out ye old clock killer...

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#30 Joshie on 04 Apr 2002 - 02:15
Obviously NONE of you are RPG fans. :] When it comes to RPGs, consoles reign for all time. And I mean console style RPGs, mind you. None of that Diablo/Baldur's Gate style stuff that should stay on PCs cuz they'd absolutely suck on a console. Meanwhile, give me Tales of Phantasia or Star Ocean II any day.

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