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Did video-game violence lead to real-life shooting?

Marcel Klum   on 26 January 2003 - 09:34 · 36 comments & 2703 views

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Christian Kwee was an average 17-year-old from the suburbs. He wasn't brilliant at high school, but he was hoping to get into college. The Grade 12 student, however, had a talent for playing video games, and loved to hang out with friends perfecting his skills.

When Mr. Kwee died last Saturday, it was in an Internet café. Police believe the violence on the video screen may have tragically spilled into the room. Witnesses say he was shot to death because he was too good -- murdered by someone he had just beaten at the popular game Counter-Strike.

"The hardest part to comprehend," RCMP Corporal Pierre LeMaitre said, "is that the victim was just a young man out with friends, enjoying himself early in the evening -- at 7:30 p.m. -- and he was a victim of this kind of violence."

Mr. Kwee's death has drawn attention to the darker side of Internet cafés and violent computer games. "It seems that something from the imagination has been taken to the next level and made into reality," Cpl. LeMaitre said. The young men who were defeated by Mr. Kwee may have been so wound up that they crossed the threshold between imagination and reality, he said.

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Witnesses have told police and Mr. Kwee's family that the incident began when Mr. Kwee, who kept winning, started gloating about his success.

In response, a message appeared on Mr. Kwee's screen: F.U.

He replied: F.U.2.

As the exchange of words escalated, three young men from another computer screen rushed over and grabbed him by the collar. They were about to punch him when others intervened, said Albert Wahyono, a friend of the Kwee family.

Mr. Kwee and his teammate were relieved when the men turned and ran out the door. But the losing teammates came back moments later, pushed Mr. Kwee into a corner and started to beat him up. A shot was fired and they fled.

Police seized the computers used by Mr. Kwee and by those suspected of playing against him.

ProGamer's manager, Harry Law, rejected the suggestion that the game Counter-Strike encourages violence.

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(2 replies) #1 eaglebtc on 26 Jan 2003 - 10:08
This is crap. It wasn't the game, but the emotions that the men got worked up into. When one said "F U" he got the best of the other, and he replied "F U 2." So the machismo took over and the two guys were doing what we men do naturally - fight to protect our territory. When we feel threatened, we can sometimes react--violently. It's not the game, it's the perceived threat. The same thing happens with a high-stakes card game. Someone loses everything and they start shooting. So should we outlaw playing cards? Nonsense, because Playing cards have good uses as well. Most people don't kill each other for losing at "Go Fish" but they kill each other because their pride has been hurt and they feel a need to defend themselves.
#1.1 Neobond on 26 Jan 2003 - 10:50
well this is the whole problem with the game. I actively play CS too but I get really pissed off at dweebs constantly telling me where to go etc etc because yea face to face I would probably kick their heads in. I and others are being subjected daily to vicious abuse all because I want to play a game that is supposed to be a break from reality for a while. and to make things worse I'm an admin on 3 CS servers I frequent (unrelated to Neowin) so I get abuse and whiners wanting different maps all the time. Some people really do have issues, they think that the barrier of the Internet is a safe thing to go messing with someones head when in fact all it does is confirm the fact that most are nerds who need a life and to get out more and start being more polite.
#1.2 Redmak on 26 Jan 2003 - 11:25
[quote]Some people really do have issues, they think that the barrier of the Internet is a safe thing to go messing with someones head when in fact all it does is confirm the fact that most are nerds who need a life and to get out more and start being more polite.[/quote] So true
#2 nicedreams on 26 Jan 2003 - 10:47
No Sh!t... I agree!
#3 sodapop on 26 Jan 2003 - 10:51
Oh yeah I assure you the game is partially to blame for inflamming an already impatient society. Anyway me and some buddies had an idea of opening up one of these types of places but in the end it looks like they will be banned or require some sort of special license. Don't really matter to me anyway...
#4 kyro on 26 Jan 2003 - 11:38
Uh oh.. this is first time i am feeling "the playing game " thing is also as guilty as the shooters Fucking minds.... (btw i am checking the auto editor here)
#5 kyro on 26 Jan 2003 - 11:39
the editor wins GAME OVER ,.. now where is my gun....
#6 vetsmek on 26 Jan 2003 - 12:29
i used to go to gaming cafes to let of steam in the game, i dont think its the game itself but the people playing the game that cause the trouble, maybe there mental states should be looked at, instead of jumping on the games are bad band wagon.
(2 replies) #7 Osiris on 26 Jan 2003 - 12:46
It's easy to sit there and say oh games arent to blame. But they must bare partial responsibility. Things we hear, see, play, watch, listen to etc, all have an influence on us, its just the degree to which that influence is on an individual that is the variable. Obviously this influence is far greater in some then others. However in this specific case, I would have to say the emotions of competition were most likely the cause, rather then the actual game entirely itself.
#7.1 Fanon on 26 Jan 2003 - 21:36
Games are not to blame. Let's take a look at the constants: Me: I play games regularly and have played regularly since I was a kid (be it video games or games with friends [like playing war]). Gaming (and gaming violence) has been apart of my everyday life since I was 4 years old. The murderers in the cafe: The guys probably had a game-filled childhood like mine. If not, they got into games later in life. Now, if games caused real-life death and violence, who would be the most likely killer? Logic would say I would be: seeing how I have taken part in activities based on violent circumstances. But wait, the only law infraction I have ever had have been a speeding ticket. Hmmm... So what's causing people to murder? Let's look at the variables: Me: I was raised in a nuclear family (meaning I had both a mother and father). My parents never separated, and I attended (and still attend for that matter) church regularly. I had a very love-filled childhood, and my marriage is very love-filled. I also take responsibility for my own actions (my parents taught me to). I do what I need to despite wanting to do it or not. In short, I'm an adult. The murderers: I am willing to bet they had no where near the childhood I had. They probably did not have responsible parents, and have yet to learn to take responsibility for themselves. Instead of holding their emotions in check, the lash out using them. They have been brought up to have everything that they have wanted, and when they don't get their way, I make their way happen irregardless of the consequences. In short, they still have a mind of a child. All that to say this: In any experiment, it is the variables that cause the result to change - not the constants.
#7.2 d.thornton on 26 Jan 2003 - 22:13
I second that.
#8 kuregu02 on 26 Jan 2003 - 13:59
[quote]Did video-game violence lead to real-life shooting?[/quote]No. Competition did. Same thing could happen between children playing a game of Hungry Hungry Hippos, albeit not as deadly.

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#9 Panorama on 26 Jan 2003 - 15:07
You don't see me going and taking out some guys cause I got killed in Rainbow Six. Naw, it was the mens loss and at the game and made them go over the edge. Really stupid though.
(2 replies) #10 cq107 on 26 Jan 2003 - 16:34
guns don't kill people, people kill people.
#10.1 Jerichohol on 26 Jan 2003 - 18:53
exactly
#10.2 FreeWaRrior on 27 Jan 2003 - 05:35
[neoquote=#10.0 by cq107]guns don't kill people, people kill people.[/neoquote] lol, actually games don't kill people, people kill people
#11 Solarix on 26 Jan 2003 - 18:19
THIS IS COMPLETE SH!T, i cant believe this BS
#12 Beast_4thHM on 26 Jan 2003 - 20:07
Nothing to with a video game.... people get stabbed b/c there team just won the game or get beaten b/c they won a bet - this time it was a video game but the emphasis is on GAME not video
#13 Fanon on 26 Jan 2003 - 21:16
When will people realize that gaming is just as competitive as football, baseball, etc? People commit murders everyday due to competition. This is just another one of those times.
#14 NeoMayhem on 27 Jan 2003 - 00:20
Yeah, this happens all the times with differant things People loose, people kill because of it You raise the price of your drugs? People shot you This is nothing new and has alwas happend
(1 reply) #15 Antipop on 27 Jan 2003 - 02:00
Yeah, i'm sure. How about the guys that get killed at pee-wee sports games? Do 3-foot tall hockey players induce violence too??
#15.1 quanta on 27 Jan 2003 - 17:31
[neoquote=#15.0 by Antipop]Yeah, i'm sure. How about the guys that get killed at pee-wee sports games? Do 3-foot tall hockey players induce violence too??[/neoquote] Yeah, ever heard of parent's assaulting the referees because the ref called in favour of the other team?
(1 reply) #16 Antipop on 27 Jan 2003 - 02:01
Anger causes violence. Let's ban that!
#16.1 Fanon on 27 Jan 2003 - 03:31
Actually, I imagine jealousy will beat out anger anyday. It is clear that these murderers were jealous.
#17 Oogle on 27 Jan 2003 - 05:15
This is like poker in the old west. Except instead of playing cards, it's CS and Quake.
#18 bangbang023 on 27 Jan 2003 - 06:15
people need ot chill out. I play Natural Selection all the time. Every now and then, I kill a guy and he just gets so pissed about it. I get told to "f*ck off" or get called a "b*tch" and one time one guy flipped and would only go after me all game long, all because I got lucky enough to kill him once. people need to remember, this is not real life! games are just games and on a computer there isn't anyting real about it at all, no matter how true even the top simulations may be.
#19 WeeJames on 27 Jan 2003 - 11:25
[quote]the darker side of Internet cafés[/quote] LMAO! Makes them sound like some sort of brothel. --WeeJames
#20 JHAres on 27 Jan 2003 - 16:39
Once again... and counting.... Violent games are nothing to normal people... but are dangerous to people with sick minds or sick behaviours... Why some people can't understand this...??? I play those games, but as an ADULT I can understand what this games can do in OTHER people, maybe not so normal like me ( ) ...
#21 unique on 27 Jan 2003 - 17:14
you mean my plasma gun isn't real?
#22 twist on 27 Jan 2003 - 17:43
well there goes my weekend, i was gonna dress up like mario and jump on peoples heads. *twitch*twitch*twitch*twitch*twitch*twitch* i play thoose games and they make me want to kill small children and eat they're corpses. maybe its true. i'm gonna be the posterboy for this one! woot. revenge of the nerds.
#23 mlbl on 28 Jan 2003 - 01:55
The problem is not with games, but with people's minds and of course guns. It's easier to put a blame on games than anything else. Guns are easily available in certain parts of the world and that's one of the biggest problem IMHO. Yes, guns can be used for self-defense, but if it is in the wrong hands it could create problems. Some people can't control themselves and when they lose a game (especially to people that are aggrogant) and they feel that they should do something about it (like kick his a*** or worst still - use a gun and kill that person). Maybe we need pre-crime (Minority Report anybody?) huh?
#24 azn_ricer on 28 Jan 2003 - 05:53
someone i know was there, saw the whole thing, but no one really wants to go to the police to identify the suspect. the shooter is obviously in some form of gang....dont wanna mess with that... and to comment on the story, that is completely stupid.... dont kill me now mr.azn mob guy ahhhhhhh
#25 Osiris on 28 Jan 2003 - 11:22
Granted in this particular case competition obviously was the cause not video violence. However on the whole topic of multimedia violence, you cannot dismiss that things we see, hear, or even play have an impact or influence on us, an fore mentioned its just the degree to which it affects each individual, obviously alot more then others. Anyway since this forum has no legislative powers litigating this matter here will have little impact on the world so I leave you with this. In the words of Yoda "Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate........hate leads to suffering" Somone mentioned anger leading to violence before so I thought id shed some light on how Yoda feels about the subject (SW-EP1:TPM)
#26 Solarix on 28 Jan 2003 - 11:40
was he killed with an AK-47 or a Stryl Aug?
#27 stab master arson on 30 Jan 2003 - 09:06
the kids that shot him were 3 Vietnamese gang members. if the kid had walked up to them in a parkinglot and said "fuck you" he probably would've been shot so what difference is it if he's playing a violent video game? the problem here isn't CS or gun control it's violent gang circles that recruit young kids and give them handguns. I live in Vancouver and it is full of giant LAN game centers. Richmond has a ton of them and Richmond is also home to 3 different asian gangs with 1700 members. Every once in awhile somebody get's shot in a nightclub or a karoke bar but you only ever hear about it when they're playing CS. anyways, sad some kid had his life taken away from typing some flame shit on a lan game. PE/ACE
#28 stab master arson on 30 Jan 2003 - 09:07
the kids that shot him were 3 Vietnamese gang members. if the kid had walked up to them in a parkinglot and said "fuck you" he probably would've been shot so what difference is it if he's playing a violent video game? the problem here isn't CS or gun control it's violent gang circles that recruit young kids and give them handguns. I live in Vancouver and it is full of giant LAN game centers. Richmond has a ton of them and Richmond is also home to 3 different asian gangs with 1700 members. Every once in awhile somebody get's shot in a nightclub or a karoke bar but you only ever hear about it when they're playing CS. anyways, sad some kid had his life taken away from typing some flame shit on a lan game. PE/ACE

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