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Murder Victim's Family to Sue

Marcel Klum   on 19 September 2003 - 09:33 · 56 comments & 1669 views

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The family of a man teenagers killed in Tennessee plans to file lawsuits against Sony and Take Two within a month. Attorney Jack Thompson said his clients will accuse the game publishers of being responsible for the man's death. Two half-brothers aged 16 and 14 used a 0.22 caliber rifle to shoot at traffic on Interstate 40 in June. They killed Nurse Aaron Hamel and wounded a woman in another car. The teenagers - whose names are being withheld because they're minors - told the Knoxville News Sentinel and the police they got the idea for the shooting from Grand Theft Auto III. The Rockstar Games publishing division of Take Two produced GTA. The brothers were sentenced on Aug. 28 to detention in the custody of the Tennessee Department of Children's Services. GTA is rated Mature for game players 17-years-of-age and older.

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#1 Skyfrog on 19 Sep 2003 - 09:43
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got the idea for the shooting from Grand Theft Auto III


Of course they did. It had nothing to do with them being a couple of psychotic <censored>
#2 Redmak on 19 Sep 2003 - 09:50
I wonder if they'll succeed. It's a scary thought, you can just go out kill a bunch of people and then blame someone else when you get caught.

I mean what kind of legal precedent will this set (asuming there aren't any to begin with)?
#3 DsnBehind on 19 Sep 2003 - 09:51
And Grand Theft Auto told them to do it. Grand Theft Auto put the gun in their hand and fired it.

"Look, McDonald's made me fat!"
(4 replies) #4 Sleeper on 19 Sep 2003 - 10:00
they should not of been playing the game in the first place, it had a CERT of 18, so its the parents responsibility!
#4.1 crashdummy on 19 Sep 2003 - 10:14
indeed, blame the parents (and blame Canada )
#4.2 CrashOverride on 19 Sep 2003 - 11:49
Why blame it on Canada?
#4.3 mr_da3m0n on 19 Sep 2003 - 12:27
I dunno, when he said Blame the parents i tought "Blame Canada" myself. Curse you southpark.

(The funny thing being, I am canadian myself.)
#4.4 Krankerz on 19 Sep 2003 - 22:15
why does everyone think south park? you know mst3k has a hilarious song about canadians. search for it on a p2p program...you'll enjoy it
(1 reply) #5 Wrath Delivery on 19 Sep 2003 - 10:16
Yup, their parents didn't bring them up properly. They are the ones to be blaming!

Either:

a) The kids are telling the truth about the whole thing. So the parents are to blame, as, had they been properly brought up, they would have had no illusions as to what shooting people does.

or

b) THey are lying. So again, their parents didn't bring them up properly or they wouldn't have expected to be able to cheat and lie their way out of this.

Also, the plaintiffs are obviously just gold digging, or they're totally retarded.

I really feel sorry for Sony and Take Two. What a waste of money!
#5.1 JaggedFlame on 19 Sep 2003 - 14:10
You don't even have to split it up into two parts. They killed someone. Right from that fact, you can conclude the parents did something pretty damn wrong.
(2 replies) #6 ElGato on 19 Sep 2003 - 10:24
I personally think Parents should be made accountable for their childs actions until they are no longer deemed minors in the eyes of the law, (And I'm speaking as a Parent).
#6.1 DaNIsH on 19 Sep 2003 - 13:06
No offence, but that's a stupid thing to say.
Unless you keep your children on a leash you have little or no control over what they do.
Some children are just born "different" even if the parents we're absolutely perfect. (My brothers a good example)
#6.2 quintesse on 19 Sep 2003 - 14:01
I don't know how it's overthere in the States but here in Holland parents _are_ accountable (for damages) for their children until they become 18 (and still financially responsible until they become 21).

(I might be wrong with the exact ages, this was how it used to be, don't know if anything has changed in the last couple of years)
#7 beardedwonder on 19 Sep 2003 - 10:40
I had to register after i saw this. What a load of cr@p! Think about all the millions and millions of people who've played at least one game in the GTA series and then think how many people have blamed GTA for their stupid, pathetic, attention-seeking and dangerous actions...............
(1 reply) #8 njlouch on 19 Sep 2003 - 11:13
Come on man. This is in the states, a country where it is easier to get a gun than a decent coffee. Where does the blame lie?

Parents: Well they are responsible for the minors, so yup.
Defendants: Well they shot the gun.
Gun Control: Just a joke in the states, sorry.
GTA: Oh please, it's a fantasy game.

It's too easy to commit a crime, and take no responsibility by blaming it on a game.
#8.1 thornz0 on 19 Sep 2003 - 15:31
uh, you obviously havent tried to buy a weapon. Dont simplify a process you dont understand.

yes it is easier, compared to other countries, but thats a gross simplification. Those guns were stolen fromirresponsible adults (who should also be held accountable), they didnt just go out and buy them.
(6 replies) #9 Skyfrog on 19 Sep 2003 - 11:16
Some other games that should be banned:

Microsoft Flight Simulator: Encourages youths to steal airplanes.
The Need for Speed series: Wreckless driving.
Frogger: Encourages children to run across busy streets.
The Sims: Ok, I just threw this one in because I hate it.

Seriously, are there any games that are safe from these crazy accusations?
#9.1 mr_da3m0n on 19 Sep 2003 - 12:29
Ban tetris! It encourages you to do dangerous things with bricks!
#9.2 mtaka on 19 Sep 2003 - 13:29
Microsoft Flight Simulator should have been banned 2 years ago. If it wasnt for that the attack on the world trade centre would never have happened. Someone should sue Bill Gates.
#9.3 Harsesis on 19 Sep 2003 - 15:35
Good idea Anyone know a good lawyer
#9.4 Fedr0 on 19 Sep 2003 - 16:03
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Microsoft Flight Simulator should have been banned 2 years ago. If it wasnt for that the attack on the world trade centre would never have happened. Someone should sue Bill Gates.

I sincerly hope you are joking, because if you don't, my friend, you are THE BIGGEST DUMBASS in the whole universe.
#9.5 Bling3k12 on 20 Sep 2003 - 14:34
Haha... after on 9/11, I reinstalled Flight Sim 2000 and flew into the WTC, just to get a perspective... I'm not a sicko or anything... I think..

Although I bet it'd be easier for me to fly a plane, knowing the controls and operations that go into a basic takeoff.

Regardless, the parents are stupid and the kids even stupider. I went and bought GTA 3 and Vice City myself, even though I'm only 16. I'm not an idiot and I'm not gonna go out shooting people, or launching Rockets or throwing Maltov Cocktails. Although in a closed and safe environment, such as our huge ass school parking lot, it'd look cool as hell.
#9.6 michealm on 25 Sep 2003 - 02:57
actually man it was proven most of the sept 11th terrorists training was given to them by way of MS Flight Sim.
#10 kuupo on 19 Sep 2003 - 11:34
Wouldn't the parents be responsible for a 14 and 16 year old getting a M rated game? Wouldn't the kids themselves also be to blame for being psychotic? I don't see how this is Sony and Take Two's fault. TONS of people play GTA and they don't go out and kill people..
#11 G-Mna16 on 19 Sep 2003 - 11:42
i dn see how they can sue sony and rock star games jus coz they played gta3 doesnt mean they hav to copy the game. i play games like that all the time and i dnt go round killin ppl
(4 replies) #12 Obraxis on 19 Sep 2003 - 11:44
Sorry americans, but that kind of thing doesnt happen in the UK....over 1 million copies sold in the UK, not one shooting due to GTA3......

If they are minors, why the hell did their parents let them play the dam game anyway? Its rated R, and M for Mature! Jees.
#12.1 corrosive23 on 19 Sep 2003 - 11:57
this wasnt due to gta either. This was due to ****tards who are looking for a way to get out of something. I say sony and take two should sue the kids families for slander for saying they are the cause.
#12.2 kemical on 19 Sep 2003 - 12:43
thats cause you people are usually to drunk to go out and do anything at all
#12.3 kionee on 19 Sep 2003 - 15:43
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Sorry americans, but that kind of thing doesnt happen in the UK....over 1 million copies sold in the UK, not one shooting due to GTA3......

If they are minors, why the hell did their parents let them play the dam game anyway? Its rated R, and M for Mature! Jees.

The UK isn't as sue happy as America is. Certain people in here in the US can't understand that maybe it's their fault. Too many people trying to make a quick buck by blaming someone else for their failings. In this case, the parents.
#12.4 MrDennis89 on 20 Sep 2003 - 10:53
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The UK isn't as sue happy as America is. Certain people in here in the US can't understand that maybe it's their fault. Too many people trying to make a quick buck by blaming someone else for their failings. In this case, the parents.

Hah, almost everyone blames someone else, no matter how stupid their reasoning or how impossible it may be.
#13 dougkinzinger on 19 Sep 2003 - 12:08
Their parents suck.

They also suck.

They doubly suck for blaming a bloody video game.

I bet their dad was Hank Hill.
#14 dataschmuck on 19 Sep 2003 - 12:42
This isn't going to work. If we, as techies and nerds and geeks and such, can come up with valid and sound reasons why the game companies are not responsible, I'm sure the game companies lawyers will surley be able to convince a judge why its a stupid lawsuit.
(1 reply) #15 RaWShadow on 19 Sep 2003 - 12:54
The Game gave them the idea to go shooting traffic. It was there choice to do it or not. So yes, if they had not played the game they probably would not have gone shooting traffic.
#15.1 Redmak on 19 Sep 2003 - 13:29
If they didn't have access to guns they wouldn't haven gone out shooting either.

Maybe a lot of kids here in Holland feel like shooting people after playing GTA but they can't without a gun
#16 evilroy on 19 Sep 2003 - 13:13
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#15 Posted by RaWShadow on 19 Sep 2003 - 17:54

The Game gave them the idea to go shooting traffic. It was there choice to do it or not. So yes, if they had not played the game they probably would not have gone shooting traffic.


And the hundreds of reports of drive by shootings that are reported on TV annually had nothing to do with it. These "innocent children" have demonstrated the callous disregard for the lives of others and the inability to separate reality from fantasy. They ought to be euthanized, not pitied.
#17 realmccoy on 19 Sep 2003 - 13:55
They can't sue the game maker . First of all the game is rated age 17. " They should sue whoever bought the game for the kids"
(1 reply) #18 jmole on 19 Sep 2003 - 14:23
ahh I posted this in the forum days ago.
#18.1 yanman on 19 Sep 2003 - 14:33
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ahh I posted this in the forum days ago.

yeah, it's quite old news, but oh well, amusing. lol
#19 uniacid on 19 Sep 2003 - 14:55
laff.
#20 funkyMonkey on 19 Sep 2003 - 15:27
rather than spending $87 billions in war, the money should be spent in education. Educate people. Some people grow to be such ignorants. I can't believe it!
#21 Tikimotel on 19 Sep 2003 - 15:35
A perfect Example of the "I'm gonne Sue your A&#$%@!" society...
Parents in finacial trouble send kid out to kill... sue game company, quick $$$$
(1 reply) #22 kionee on 19 Sep 2003 - 15:39
They'll probably win, it being in Tennessee, sadly. The influence the Church has in this state is ludicrous, I've never seen so much bull**** happen in one state. I hope common sense prevails in this case and the Judge throws it out, but we'll have to see.
#22.1 ksalter on 19 Sep 2003 - 22:16
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They'll probably win, it being in Tennessee, sadly. The influence the Church has in this state is ludicrous, I've never seen so much bull**** happen in one state. I hope common sense prevails in this case and the Judge throws it out, but we'll have to see.

Sorry, but Alabama takes the prize for allowing "church" (read : extremist christianity) to influence government - even though the Alabama constitution acutally has one of the more stringent separation of church and state clauses.

As to the topic: those kids need some serious psychiatric help and the parents or whoever owned the guns should be held responsible. Maybe the kids can be salvaged, who knows?
#23 Mr. Black on 19 Sep 2003 - 16:21
Any judge who awards the money has to be out of their mind...Games may give people the idea, but people themselves act on those ideas. The game did not force them to do it, the game did not force them to pull the trigger and kill those two people.

I'm so damn tired of ppl suing everyone left and right - hell, if you don't like something, you sue them nowadays. WTF happened to common sense? N/M - everyone is a moron anyways.
#24 Cryptic_Night on 19 Sep 2003 - 17:28
Maybe I should go out and kill someone and blame it on Grand Theft Auto also. We should also have an organised crime ring inside Neowin.

"Sorry judge....but playing Grand Theft Auto made us all start up a mob. Everything we stole should be blamed on Sony."

Sorry but I think people should know better then let thier kids play with rifles let alone access them.

#25 tronmaster on 19 Sep 2003 - 17:32
What?

I thought they got the idea from Michael Douglas' movie Falling Down? Oh wait that was entertainment just like Grand Theft Auto.

This is another frivilous lawsuit that the person who initiated the suit should pay the time of the court while they could be doing something more productive.

Bah. Blame it on a video game....idiot
#26 Zerosignull on 19 Sep 2003 - 17:48
You know this is why i take drug's ... cause i saw Pac-Man swollowing little white pills
#27 Briandl79 on 19 Sep 2003 - 18:42
This would set a horrible precident. If Sony and TakeTwo are held responsible then so would publishers of movies, video games, and music. This won't succeed however for that exact reason, because it would open the door for people to sue music companies when a rapper says something like "kill the police" or when a character in a movie robs a bank, or when a character in a game shoots people with a rifle.

Bottom line is that these children need to seperate fantasy from reality and if they can't the real problem isn't a game publisher, but rather these children need to see a psychiatrist.

#28 matt74441 on 19 Sep 2003 - 19:06
Of course they are going to win. Ever hear of the McDonalds coffee incident?
#29 OPaul on 19 Sep 2003 - 19:11
So if I get the idea to kill someone because I saw it on the news can I sue them to?
#30 jbenhm on 19 Sep 2003 - 22:15
Ya know? Parents can be stupid sometimes. "Hmmm, rated M... I dunno what M is, maybe it means Motherly? YA! Lets get our kids a game rated Motherly".....
#31 M$ Agent #2 on 19 Sep 2003 - 22:23
I see this kind of stuff all the time basicaly what it boils down to is passing the buck.
Parents dont want to be resoponsible for what there kids do. Content providers dont want to be responsible for what they make. The kids themself dont want to be responsible for there own actions. and thats who should be. The kids should both get the electric chair. The parents of the kids should get suedby the dead peoples relatives I know if my kid hurts some one I have to pay for it.... (becouse how did they get guns ?) The game manufacurer should be fined some money to go into educating people about violence. Another thing is what where they thinking ? shooting poeple on the way home from work ? I mean if they had GTA couldnt they get there entertainment that way ? and agressions out ?
#32 Tager on 19 Sep 2003 - 23:59
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The teenagers - whose names are being withheld because they're minors

when i first read it, i thought it said morons. caffeine to go please
#33 net-cruizer on 20 Sep 2003 - 00:04
What a load of crap. I'm sick of companys, musicians, movies, etc. etc, being blamed for the stupidity of some people.
It's no ones blame except for those kids, and only them. Not Sony, not the kids's parents, only the kids... period.
And as for the people sueing, money doesn't solve the problem, and they should be greiving about the whole thing, not trying to get money. Greedy *******s.
The only ones getting anything... should be those kids... the electric chair, that's what they should be getting.
#34 Floyder on 20 Sep 2003 - 00:26
if (game==17+ & player<17){
blame = parents
}
#35 divertom15 on 20 Sep 2003 - 01:43
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The family of a man teenagers killed in Tennessee plans to file lawsuits against Sony and Take Two within a month. Attorney Jack Thompson said his clients will accuse the game publishers of being responsible for the man's death.
I dont think i ever heard of sony or take two killing anyone

thats why this ought to be thrown out

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