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Sims 2 Content "Worse Than Hot Coffee"

Posted by malebolgia on 22 July 2005 - 22:38 · 77 comments & 22569 views

Miami attorney Jack Thompson claims cheat codes make EA's life sim a pedophile's paradise by showing genitalia; calls for ban on T-rated game.

How do you like your hot coffee? If you're Jack Thompson, you like it scalding game publisher's laps. The Miami attorney and antigaming activist has done his share to see that games don't fall into the wrong hands. And lately, those hands have belonged to almost everyone.

Thompson was among those who spearheaded the recent effort to slap an "Adults Only" rating on Rockstar Games' Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, and he's often been on the forefront of many other gaming issues, several of which have targeted the crime-spree-based GTA franchise. In the past, he's represented defendants who have been the victims of GTA-inspired crimes, including the triple homicide of three police officers by an 18-year-old boy in Alabama.

News source: GameSpot

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ESRB president Patricia Vance states the situation rather differently, saying that: "After a thorough investigation, we have concluded that sexually explicit material exists in a fully rendered, unmodified form on the final discs of all three platform versions of the game."

She did note, however, that "the material was programmed by Rockstar to be inaccessible to the player and they have stated that it was never intended to be made accessible."

The "Hot Coffee" mod saw players taking their girlfriend home and then having sex with her in a mini-game that, while present on the game DVD, only came to light after a PC modification unlocked the code. The data was subsequently found to be resident on the PS2 and Xbox discs and could be unlocked on PS2 using Datel's Action Replay cheat-finder product.

The ESRB and another industry body, the Entertainment Software Association (ESA), have come under increasing pressure to act since Hot Coffee came to light, with widespread coverage in the American media and proponents of a ban receiving support from the likes of senator Hillary Clinton, Californian assemblyman Leland Yee, and anti-videogame activist Jack Thompson, who recently compared ESA president Doug Lowenstein to Adolf Hitler over his role in the affair.

Indeed, just last week the BBFC said that while it didn't know about Hot Coffee at the time of rating the game, it wasn't going to update it. "Even if we had been aware of it, we would not have had a problem," a spokesperson told this website. "From our point of view the hidden material does not contravene the 18 rating and so the rating stands."

In Australia however the game could well be banned altogether, with Australia's Office of Film and Literature Classification (OFLC) - a notoriously strict organisation - having previously refused to classify titles including Manhunt and NARC, effectively banning them from sale. There the OFLC had said: "The Classification Board is compelled to revoke a game's classification if it is found to contain undisclosed contentious material, whether activated through use of a code or otherwise."

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(5 replies) #1 Posted by Chanser on 22 Jul 2005 - 22:39: Your kidding me!
Can only be in America.
What's next any game that has any adult material must be banned?

#2 Posted by whcodered on 22 Jul 2005 - 22:50: How stupid is this.

#3 Posted by Lanky on 22 Jul 2005 - 22:53: Cheat codes, or mods and hacks?
Becuase there's nothing wrong with making mod's to change the game and he can't do anything if that's the case.

#4 Posted by gootiker on 22 Jul 2005 - 23:21: wow i hate the guy..... jackass

#5 Posted by barcode on 22 Jul 2005 - 23:24: Good god... Rockstar really has started a trivial war between game makers and idiotic censors. The Sims 2... and porn? I mean, first of all, ANY moddable game can have nudity if the mod makers create that kind of content. Why don't we place a ban on all video games for people under 18 or 20 or whatever they feel is "adult" enough. Adultism is mistaken for maturity all the time.

(2 replies) #6 Posted by BatGnat on 23 Jul 2005 - 01:00: Come on America (and by this i mean that do the censoring) are such morons.

I was watching a US TV on plastic surgery, they would show all the gory, bloody surgery, but then had to blur out all the nipples from the people getting implants.

But then again, the most stupid censoring issue was on my own countries (Australia) SBS show, John Safron VS God. He reviewed and commented (and payed out on, it was a comedy) on many differrent religions. When he got to VooDoo, the show WAS allowed to show the voodoo priest BITING the testicles off a LIVE goat, but not slitting it's throat. Go figure?

#7 Posted by orange_boy on 23 Jul 2005 - 01:09: ahh not a fan of Sims at all but this has gone too far now, everygame is gonna get ****ed around with american laws.
Over in the uk the game is 18'S, seems to me that GTA was rated for 14 year olds or some thing... ( yes off topic from sims there, )

#8 Posted by vrin on 23 Jul 2005 - 01:26: This guy clearly has an agenda.

#9 Posted by Lexcyn on 23 Jul 2005 - 01:30: LOL are you serious? This man is insane! Quick! Call the white coats!

(3 replies) #10 Posted by Cailin on 23 Jul 2005 - 01:43: There is in fact a cheat that disables the censoring in Sims 2 without an additional patch... but someone should tell this guy that the models don't even have genitals and the skin texture is a solid colour. Of course it's possible to add these things into the game (considering the nature of the Sims 2, this is no surprise though, because practically anything can be added into the game). But when does EA become responsible for things that someone does to their video game that they bought and modded themselves? Hmm.....

#11 Posted by Red Dragon on 23 Jul 2005 - 01:49: I'm sure all he cares about is the cash.

#12 Posted by Ravensworth on 23 Jul 2005 - 01:51

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Thompson says, "Sims 2, the latest version of the Sims video game franchise ... contains, according to video game news sites, full frontal nudity, including nipples, penises, labia, and pubic hair."

That is complete and utter BS, this guy is either stupid or he's a liar. Probably saw some of those nude skins the sickies make and thought they were part of the game. There is NOTHING under the censor when you remove it (not that I've, er, looked or anything).

(2 replies) #13 Posted by SU182 on 23 Jul 2005 - 02:08: Yes, He has no idea, Kids don't even know the cheat codes, What makes you think they know, Asshole, Makes me want to kill him.

#14 Posted by DOGglee on 23 Jul 2005 - 02:22: this guy is stupid

#15 Posted by auto-logic on 23 Jul 2005 - 02:30: what's so goddamn bad about genitalia!?
look down your own pants, Mr. Attorney Thompson from Miami, and realize that everyone has them and theyre completely natural.

#16 Posted by Jugalator on 23 Jul 2005 - 02:40: lol, with the size of the Sims cartoons, showing genitalia would be like 10 pixels or so, and anything but photorealistic.

#17 Posted by EddieF on 23 Jul 2005 - 03:31: OMG I am getting so sick of people telling me what I can and can not buy.

I am 18.. but god. An AO rating makes the game so hard to find in stores.

Also, if I had kids. I'd like to be the one making the decision on what games they can buy. Not this asshole.

USA the next China? -_-

(2 replies) #18 Posted by Yagi on 23 Jul 2005 - 03:44: JESUS CHRIST PARENT YOUR GOD DAM* KIDS!!! Every problem in this fuc*ing country has to be blamed on someone or something other then the individual, it makes me sick. you don't want kids to have this game, don't let them buy it! you don't want them playing it at a friend's house, tell their parents. they still play it, ground them! games/media in other countries are far worse but do you see killings or violence hapen because of them? NO! why? because they don't blame the games/media they blame the individual and if the individual is not old enough the parent. That or maybe they just parent better over there or society raises you to know the difference between reality and a god dam* game. so what does this say about our country? basically that its a joke!

#19 Posted by Epimetheus on 23 Jul 2005 - 04:06: Beat the living **** or killing someone in a videogame = Good.
Having sex (or showing genitals) in a video game = Bad.

Sex = pleasure, comfort, security, life.
Pain = Misery, insanity, death.

What the hell is wrong here?

I think the romans had that whole damn Sex/Violence thing figured out, we've (the US) have taken a step-back in terms of human behavior.

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#20 Posted by nienor on 23 Jul 2005 - 05:04: Lol
Now they will ban Dead Or Alive?
They goes to far I guess.
A kid of 13yr sould NOT play GTA first.
And a kid of 13 will maybe not find a BIG interest in the Sims...

(1 reply) #21 Posted by Quick Reply on 23 Jul 2005 - 08:43: Can someone confirm if the textures are in the game, if it can be done with an ingame cheat code. Or does it require external textures and/or external hacks/mods/cheat devices?

Anyway, this guy's agenda is so silly that I think that there should be an atterney to counter his stupid crusade that can represent the views that we are all saying.

#22 Posted by metro on 23 Jul 2005 - 12:10: Apparently this guy has not heard of that Singles game where the whole point is to meet ppl and get laid. Only a matter of time before that game is singled out too. The problem with politics is that most politicians try to force their own beliefs down the throats of the public. They are supposed to be elected by the people for the people, but this is hardly ever the case. Politics nowadays consists of nothing more than Christian extremists trying to force people to live the way they feel the American public should live. With each passing day, more of our rights get flushed down the toilet.

#23 Posted by oo420oo on 23 Jul 2005 - 12:32: soon enough any kind of modding will result in death

(1 reply) #24 Posted by radink on 23 Jul 2005 - 12:53: The problem is that these stupid polititians are to chicken **** to go after real issues, so they jump on board against video games. They figure 99% of the moms out there will agree with it since they have no clue about gaming. I HATE polititians.

#25 Posted by sharpy2k4 on 23 Jul 2005 - 13:26: thing is. movies are more realistic and have REAL sex scences so why aren't they being banned? surely movies are more influencial to kids than games as it is real life. if you die in a game you can press the reset button but with moveis the person dies he dies....

that lawyer guy needs to sort his priorites out, sort out gun crime, drugs and domestic violence not ****ing video games....

#26 Posted by disturb3d on 23 Jul 2005 - 13:29: OK, say a 14 year old walks into a store that sells videos/dvds and video games.

You go and get a porn dvd, and an AO rating game and you take it up the till.

The guy is going to ask for I.D the 14 year old wont have it.

He wont get sold it. So he goes off and gets his adult friend to buy it for him.

I wonder whats going to be worse, REAL people shagging.... OR pixelated nakedness.

Cummon... seriously FFS

(1 reply) #27 Posted by noll3095 on 23 Jul 2005 - 13:57: Check out his website: http://www.stopkill.com/

Not only is his logic majorly flawed, but he includes his address and phone number for people to call. Odd that his phone includes the numbers 666...

#28 Posted by ProxXect on 23 Jul 2005 - 14:06: Ugh. Who the hell plays 'The Sims' anyway?

#29 Posted by Leftos on 23 Jul 2005 - 14:36: @ProxXect:

Totally irrelevant. That's your best comment on the matter? And to answer your question, a lot of people. Otherwise "The Sims" wouldn't be one of the best selling franchises in the PC Games industry.

On-topic now...

I've played Sims 1, Sims 2 & University and I know... Below the blur it's just a barbie-style body, no genitalia at all... Unless the shape of a breast with no nipple is explicit. The person is just beeeegging for popularity.

It's true. You CAN remove the blur with a cheat in the console. It's just a parameter about the blur density that if you set to 0, it makes it go away. But there's nothing below that's explicit or teen in any way. Even the "Make Love" or "Try for Baby" actions provide a qutie comical cutscene which looks vaguely like sex... And I mean really vaguely.

I completely agree with Broken Halo. The level of nudity is just the same with Barbie. Either type a cheat or take off the dress. We shall see Thompson putting an AO rating on Barbie pretty soon folks.

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#30 Posted by Hunters0 on 23 Jul 2005 - 14:43

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Check out his website: http://www.stopkill.com/

Not only is his logic majorly flawed, but he includes his address and phone number for people to call. Odd that his phone includes the numbers 666...

i think this Sh*t head will have a lot of hate mail.!

#31 Posted by Valkyre on 23 Jul 2005 - 17:26: OH MY GOD, WE SHOULD BAN BARBIE TEEN MAKOVER! IT'S CLEARLY A PEDOPHILE'S DREAM.

Actually, we should ban it, just because how stupid it is.

#32 Posted by walters17 on 23 Jul 2005 - 18:19: I don't have GTA or The Sims 2 but I want to go out and buy both now just so sales go up. This guy was obviously not given a game console or pc as a child and is jelous of all we have now. Someone should just give him a hug and tell him everything will be ok.

#33 Posted by crazihouse on 23 Jul 2005 - 19:09: "Miami attorney Jack Thompson claims cheat codes make EA's life sim a pedophile's paradise by showing genitalia; calls for ban on T-rated game."

Better to have this "pedophile's paradise" in a game then in the real world, am I not right?

Still though, Jack Thompson is an ignorant asswipe.

#34 Posted by Hexicon on 23 Jul 2005 - 19:35: I play Guild Wars and when you change armor the character is in its underwear, tops/bottoms for the women, bottoms for the men. I doubt there will be a "hack" for this but if it does I will still continue playing it, just to spite Mr. Johnson. He has his right to an opinion, regardless of its merits. Just don't infringe upon my rights as an adult to entertain myself with video games of my own free will and choice. This again is to appease the few despite the many.

The more he pursues these games the more they will sell. Is he working for or against the game companies?

*EDIT* Did ANYONE notice that he has a link to Rockstar games on his site? Does that not promote the game?

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#35 Posted by SimplyPotatoes on 23 Jul 2005 - 20:20: omg spam jackpeace@comcast.net

(1 reply) #36 Posted by Game on 23 Jul 2005 - 21:03: Next thing you know, NFS Underground is going to banned because of street racing.

#37 Posted by Am_I_Evil on 23 Jul 2005 - 22:06: this is getting ****ing ridiculous....you can add nudity to almost any PC game if you want to bad enough....i guess we should just ban all games....

#38 Posted by Unwonted on 23 Jul 2005 - 23:06: He's an ATTORNEY. He makes money off suing; of course he's interested in the case.

(1 reply) #39 Posted by hotdog963al on 23 Jul 2005 - 23:38: 2 Words:
DICK HEAD

(2 replies) #40 Posted by SilentMage on 24 Jul 2005 - 02:43: I've been playing The Sims 2 since it came out and I must say that Jack Thompson is 1) a total idiot for making such accusations, and 2) incredibly ignorant, like most politicians are when it comes to video games.

It always gets me fuming whenever I see the media blame video games (Doom, Wolfenstein 3D, and now GTA) for the actions of idiot teens who kill other people. GTA San Andreas is now rated AO because of bitch Hillary Clinton (and friends), so now all my favorite stores (such as Gamestop) don't carry the game -- or the players guide -- anymore. And now we have this fool who says that The Sims 2 is virtual porn!

I think the ultimate problem is the fact that the older generation (the politicians that run this backwards nation) aren't used to video games having such a dramatic impact on our, and the world's, culture, and are not trying to play the games before making such idiotic suggestions, such as what Jack Thompson said. Maybe our generation will run things differently once we are the ones in power instead of our parents and grand-parents.

#41 Posted by devyant on 24 Jul 2005 - 15:08: This guy is really the limit. please, imagine him being your dad. Overeactive, especially to even the most minor things happening.

(4 replies) #42 Posted by Hunter-Killer on 24 Jul 2005 - 19:20

So I e-mailed him right... and he replied. Saying he has rights bla bla bla and that he is going to prosecute us all who e-mail him. (good luck BTW I'm on another continent

) And the moron even says:

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We won the "Hot Coffee mod" battle, and we shall win other battles. If any of you clowns are still dumb enough to threaten me and harass me after receiving this email, then contact your lawyers. You're going to need them.

LOL this is the best part:

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I have a right to point out that Electronic Arts is engaged in a knowing conspiracy with the "mod community" (what's next, "a pedophile community"?) to distribute porn to children. Any of you who don't think that is what EA is doing need to get a law degree and practice for 30 years, as I have. Then I'll be interested in your "opinions" about The Sims 2 scandal.

OMG What next? Aliens control the government?

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#42.1 Posted by rm20010 on 24 Jul 2005 - 19:57: Jesus. CONSPIRACY MY FU****G ASS.

Yeah go ahead, prosecute everyone that emails him. It's not like we're harassing him, or sending him viruses. We're stating OUR OWN F*****G opinion. And that's illegal?

Lawyers? Pssh, I don't need to toss money around to figure out what's right and what's wrong in common sense.

If he says he has rights, well he's THROWING OUT our rights by threatening to prosecute us. Oh so rights only belong to people of the law?

#42.2 Posted by Hunter-Killer on 24 Jul 2005 - 20:15: He said we're harassing him and threatening him! And that there's a law in Florida against "Cyber Stalking"

#42.3 Posted by rm20010 on 24 Jul 2005 - 20:34

I shall now refer to some online resources. As I have little knowledge about these laws I'd have to go by what it says on this site.

From here:

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Offense of Stalking; defines term "cyberstalk" to mean communication by means of electronic mail or electronic communication which causes substantial emotional distress & does not serve legitimate purpose;

He's going though anything BUT emotional distress. In fact he's probably having an overdose of adrenaline over the BS he stirred up.

Legitimate purpose: well if everyone constructively explained why his reasonings are wrong, it's legitimate. Never mind, he thinks he's right and everyone's wrong. Look how he plainly dismissed Jeff Brown's statement.

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includes within offenses of stalking & aggravated stalking willful, malicious, & repeated cyberstalking of another person;

Everyone probably mailed him ONCE. We're not harassing him; we're expressing our opinions on his actions.

There's a longer definition here but I'm quite short of time to read the entire thing.

EDIT: hunter-killer, I think he's sending the same email to nearly everyone that flames him. No need for anyone else to debate s**t with him since he'll give the same response.

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#42.4 Posted by Hunter-Killer on 24 Jul 2005 - 21:29: Yup. He's sending the same e-mail to everyone. I just love the part where he calls us "clowns" after saying that EA is involved in a conspiracy to distribute porn to children

#43 Posted by mr_skrilla on 24 Jul 2005 - 19:43: I hope that Jack Thompson freaking gets HIS genitals cut off and shoved down his bittch ass throat.

#44 Posted by Englishkid on 24 Jul 2005 - 20:31: He's probably fat (so he's never see his own genitalia) a virgin never ever ever watched pron in his whole life he's also probably catholic becuase that is utterly stupid, why not ban real sex it could be a new ammendment, thou shaut not shag

#45 Posted by rm20010 on 24 Jul 2005 - 20:38

As an update:

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Thompson this afternoon updated his earlier statement, saying he is aware certain mods only remove "the blur," but adds that "Electronic Arts has done nothing about this." Thompson's new conclusion: EA is "cooperating, gleefully, with the mod community to turn Sims 2 into a porn offering."

Makes sense? He doesn't even state that the graphic depictions of human parts don't exist in the first place, even with the blur removed. Turning Sims 2 into a porn offering? Last time I checked it stimulates real life. And last time I checked THERE ARE NO BLURS COVERING OUR OWN ORGANS SO WE CAN'T SEE THEM!

Sadly the only thing that can stop this greedy fu**er is a strong legal team with millions of dollars on their backs. Otherwise we're all screwed.

(1 reply) #46 Posted by nicedreams on 24 Jul 2005 - 22:44: I'm getting sick of all this. Why don't they ban the Nightly News and the show Cops. Maximum Exposure is another one. I see more violence, hate crimes, acts of abuse, etc on the local news than in video games.

#47 Posted by mediVh on 25 Jul 2005 - 04:46: for christs sake, the kids that see it are gonna see it anyway, what does it matter if theyve seen a penis or two people having sex in a video game, Apart from anything im pretty sure 99% of people who play Sims 2 would be over say 10 which would mean they would, or should be starting their sexual education programmes at school, American Politicians and people like this twat need to get real and get a ****ing life

#48 Posted by njlouch on 25 Jul 2005 - 09:01: At what point are we going to realise this guy is taking the mickey?

I mean, either that or he's on crack.

#49 Posted by brent3000 on 25 Jul 2005 - 10:54: what i find stupid is that games shoudnt have AO rattings for stuff fans make... if u look at it hot coffe is a mod and only able to be activated with the help of a mod... why remove it off the shelfe for something that isnt "really" in tha game (aussie)... this is same with sims 2

#50 Posted by LP_Evil on 25 Jul 2005 - 14:02: *sigh* this person is REALLY annoying me now, can he not let people play games in peace? As has been said he probably hasnt ever been given a games console or a pc maybe he 's just a noob on games, we will never know. Please can someone shut this person up?

BTW : I have emailed with my thoughts, if i get the reply that people say is being sent to everyone i am very tempted to give him my address and see if he backs up his word

#51 Posted by FuLouZero on 27 Jul 2005 - 15:38: Playboy:The Mansion has a all out opened option for tits and its rate Mature

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