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Sony: No Emotion Engine or Graphics Synthesizer for PAL PS3

Slimy   on 26 February 2007 - 20:25 · 21 comments & 14768 views

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Sony Computer Entertainment Incorporated has revealed the details of the reduced backwards compatibility of the PAL region PlayStation 3 game console. Apparently, the "European version" of the console will have lower production costs due to a removed chip, which combines graphics processor and microprocessor used in the PlayStation 2. “They’re using emulation software now to take the role of the hardware that was previously in the device. From a business perspective, it’s a way to move ahead removing costs in some regards to manufacturing. If you follow some of the high costs in research and development and also manufacturing we've incurred over the last while, it's a demand from some shareholders,” said SCE Australia spokesman Adrian Christie in an interview with The West Australian.

According to analysts, the EE+GS chip costs $27, whereas 32MB RDRAM is unlikely to cost more than $5. In other words, the PS3 sold in Japan and the U.S. is around $30 more expensive in terms of raw hardware costs. And yet, Sony is nailing Europeans with even higher prices. In PAL regions the consoles will retail for up to $240 more than in the U.S. and up to $345 higher compared to the recommended price (¥59 980 or $495) in Japan. Initially Sony will only sell the higher-end PlayStation 3 version of the console (60GB HDD), for €599 ($777) in the most of the markets and for pricing close to that in variety of countries: UK – £425 ($837), Ireland – €629 ($816), Australia – AUD 999.95 ($777), New Zealand – NZ 1199.95 ($840).

News source: Xbit Laboratories

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(2 replies) #1 +cheesegoduk on 26 Feb 2007 - 20:31
hmmm I thought they just removed the EE and left the graphics chip in there...
#1.1 Slimy on 26 Feb 2007 - 20:33
It is one chip.
#1.2 +cheesegoduk on 26 Feb 2007 - 20:44
Only reason I said that is because it was mentioned in a recently interview with some sony guy

http://kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/scee-responds...lity-239632.php

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Does this mean that the PS2 hardware chips have been removed completely and replaced with software-only emulation?

The original PS3 used the Emotion Engine/Graphics Synthesiser to emulate PS2 titles. With the latest European specification we have removed the Emotion Engine, retaining the graphics chip. This has an impact on the number of PS2 titles that will be backwards compatible.


Tho that said a lot of sony marketing guys have no real clue about the product they are selling.
(4 replies) #2 torrentthief on 26 Feb 2007 - 21:22
wow, us UK ppl are paying MORE, having LESS game compatability AND have to wait till march to get 1. way to go sony!!!!! you just alienated every european. sony, you are a PR disaster, think you need to remove those chinese guys from your board and have some humans put in their place. shape up or get lost!
#2.1 +Kirkburn on 26 Feb 2007 - 21:41
Quote - (torrentthief said @ #2)
wow, us UK ppl are paying MORE, having LESS game compatability AND have to wait till march to get 1. way to go sony!!!!! you just alienated every european. sony, you are a PR disaster, think you need to remove those chinese guys from your board and have some humans put in their place. shape up or get lost!

Go Xenophobia, Go!

(Though I agree with the first part of what you said)
#2.2 Cole on 26 Feb 2007 - 23:37
You must read the news a bit more often. Sony is a PR disaster because people tend to be more critical to Sony than to any other company. Sony is working on a new backwards compatibility software that will upscale the ps2 games to 1080p/ish and eliminate the need for the emotions engine. The PAL PS3s are also rumored to have the new cell processor in it, which would be why they eliminated the EE from it.
#2.3 Kushan on 27 Feb 2007 - 02:46
Cole, I want some of the whacked out **** you're smoking.
#2.4 Netrack on 27 Feb 2007 - 17:09
Quote - (Cole said @ #2.2)
You must read the news a bit more often. Sony is a PR disaster because people tend to be more critical to Sony than to any other company.



ever heard of a company called microsoft
(2 replies) #3 Ollie64 on 26 Feb 2007 - 22:43
Screw it. I was thinking of getting one but I'm going to get a Wii and x-box 360 instead. Sony can swivel.
#3.1 Cole on 26 Feb 2007 - 23:39
Again, as I said, Sony is working on a new type of backwards compatibility firmware that will (supposively) upscale PS/PS2 games to HD resolution and play them better. Neowin's always been pro Microsoft, they seem to cleverly leave out the positives Sony has.
#3.2 BigBoy on 27 Feb 2007 - 00:16
Quote - (Cole said @ #3.1)
Again, as I said, Sony is working on a new type of backwards compatibility firmware that will (supposively) upscale PS/PS2 games to HD resolution and play them better. Neowin's always been pro Microsoft, they seem to cleverly leave out the positives Sony has.


I think that new version of firmware will also lower your cholesterol...
(1 reply) #4 David3k on 27 Feb 2007 - 00:43
Quote - (Cole said @ #2.2)
You must read the news a bit more often. Sony is a PR disaster because people tend to be more critical to Sony than to any other company. Sony is working on a new backwards compatibility software that will upscale the ps2 games to 1080p/ish and eliminate the need for the emotions engine. The PAL PS3s are also rumored to have the new cell processor in it, which would be why they eliminated the EE from it.


They're already stating that it will be WORSE in terms of backwards compat.

Sure, it would be software emulated but upscaling to 1080p is not a big task with a hardware scaler.
Oh, wait, that's right, sony does not want devs to fully utilize the hardware scalar

Why would a "new" cell processor eliminate the need for the EE? Because it's fabbed smaller and runs cooler?

If it's better in any way from the currently released systems (Besides a die shrink. I can understand why they'd want to hold that back for a few days or a week or so), then why have they not started selling them in the US and Japan?


They've made it a SELLING POINT that the PS3 has PS2 hardware in it.

Fact is, they're getting banged on for this because they screwed up. Accept it. If they'd have done this before release, nobody would have minded.
#4.1 Septimus on 27 Feb 2007 - 08:59
How can developers utilise a hardware scaler? PS3 _doesn't_ have one.

and Cole... go to the doctor and get some tablets, your case of fanboism looks pretty fatal.
(2 replies) #5 cragdoo on 27 Feb 2007 - 10:36
I feel sorry for the people who placed pre-orders for this pile of sh!t , thing is most them probably did so because of the backward compatability that allows them to play their PS2 games while they wait on games being written to play on their £425 HD-Player !!
#5.1 Liquidfox on 27 Feb 2007 - 21:10
It's not even an HD-Player. It's Blu-Ray

Just goes to show what the chances of Blu-Ray are with the Non-Gaming community. I showed my dad an Advert of Blu-Ray "What's that?" He asked. I showed him an Advert of HD-DVD Player and asked him what it was, he knew straight away. Bye Sony!
#5.2 Xero on 28 Feb 2007 - 05:30
Is that why Blu Ray is so far winning the format war? (Regardless if its caused by Sony or not)

I showed my Dad an ad, and new picked Blu Ray right away, omg! bye one company of many who support hd-dvd
#6 kravex on 27 Feb 2007 - 14:07
Ahhh, I'm on the floor Sony! Stop kicking me!!!

#7 +Cheshire Cat on 27 Feb 2007 - 16:11
This has just decreased my potential at buying a PS3 to about 5%. Why the hell would I want to pay more for less?? Especially after all the crap that has been dropped on us UK customers by Sony! I'm just just gonna say "F" you sony, I supported you in the past, but now I move to a X-box 360 and a Wii
#8 Patchou on 27 Feb 2007 - 20:36
I'm no fan of Sony PS3's efforts at all (proud owner of a Wii) but having followed the story for some time now... as far as I remember, last year, Sony announced that instead of emulated backward compatibility, they would temporarily include the PS2 chip in every PS3 because their emulation software was not ready. They prefered losing more money right at the beginning to make sure people were happy with the final product. They clearly specified this was a temporary measure and I'm pretty sure every PS3 sold in Japan and the US in the next couple of months will be based on the same principle. At least, that's what they've planned since last year.

When the PS2 was out, backward compatibility for PS1 games was also announced as limited so before criticizing, wait for the result (and on a side note, it really pains me to have to defend Sony on this but let's try to be fair).
(1 reply) #9 skiver on 28 Feb 2007 - 10:04
be fair about what? whether they announced these plans today or a million years ago, the point here is... they are removing hardware that lowers the cost, this removal is causing a lack of backwards compatability and its still costing more then the consoles with this hardware does in america...

im sorry i dont mean to badmouth sony here but how on gods earth can you defend that?

if the price was lower or closer to the US console price with conversion then fair enough, imo backwards compatability isnt THAT big of a deal, but their has not been one positive out of this situation

your paying more for less then our americans are getting

imo the ps3 is looking like nothing more then a fanboy console, im not saying eveyone who gets one is a fanboy or anything i just cant possibly comprehend why anyone would buy one... i dont think what it does justifies its price and therefore the only reason to buy one imo is because you love the sony brand... if this console was closer to the 360 price, obviously high but alot closer, i would have got one... i had a ps and a ps2 and loved them both... never gave any other console a thought but im sorry sony imo have not one leg to stand on with this console
#9.1 MrCobra on 02 Mar 2007 - 05:15
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im sorry i dont mean to badmouth sony here but how on gods earth can you defend that?

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imo the ps3 is looking like nothing more then a fanboy console


The second quote answeres the fisrt.

Sony could encase their hardware in sh*t and people would still buy it because its a Sony product. [Most] Everything for the PS3 that has been promised has not and will not be delivered on. Sony is not the company they once were and their products show it.

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