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90% of World of Goo installs are pirate copies

Michael Brown   on 14 November 2008 - 08:15 · 43 comments & 13053 views

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World of Goo's developers decided to release the game without any DRM, a welcome move for those of us irritated by punishments for legitimate users. How did that work out for them? Not so well. According to Joystiq, 90% of installations are pirated. World of Goo was developed by Ron Carmel and Kyle Gabler, and Carmel claims to have seen one torrent with 500 seeders and 300 leechers.

It's not all bad news though. Carmel has received some positive e-mails from those that pirated the game before going on to buy it, and sales are high for the WiiWare and Steam versions. The issue still remains though that by giving the consumers what they want (DRM removed), a small up-and-coming pair of game developers are being punished. With such a fantastically original idea behind the game, it would be a shame to see them fade into obscurity because their fans didn't want to buy the game.

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(2 replies) #1 badblood on 14 Nov 2008 - 08:34
Game developers are not made and broken by profits, especially if they are up-and-coming. And if they have more ideas that would translate into highly playable, addictive games, why should it punish them. If this is their one and only game and/or idea, well they only have themselves to blame, but this kind of story can only help their reputation.

What will see them "fade into obscurity" is if this gets them a high powered job at a big games developer and they don't live up to the high expectations their new employers have for them.
#1.1 TurboTuna on 14 Nov 2008 - 17:23
I agree.

Not only that, but people that pirate games actually have no intention of buying it anyway...
#1.2 4B69 on 14 Nov 2008 - 21:15
TurboTuna said,
Not only that, but people that pirate games actually have no intention of buying it anyway...



That's not always true. Some people just want to see what they're gonna get before they fork over their hard earned cash. I know a few people who do this with music.
#2 PrEzi on 14 Nov 2008 - 08:37
What about the current sales ?
DRM-free will always be pirated (so are the other anti-piracy-protected titles).
But it's good to hear that some people turn back and buy the game.
I did that for some of the titles too (downloaded it and then buyed it because good games deserve to be buyed and developers payed), and with todays advertising and marketing you really never know if a title will be playable and good or not...
(5 replies) #3 Skyfrog on 14 Nov 2008 - 08:44
90% of World of Goo all PC game installs are pirate copies.
#3.1 Raa on 14 Nov 2008 - 13:00
Skyfrog said,
90% of World of Goo all PC game installs are pirate copies.

Got a source for that?
#3.2 Skyfrog on 14 Nov 2008 - 15:17
Same as they used. They claim that because he found a torrent with 500 seeders that came out to 90% of all the people who have this game, or something. Kind of shaky math there they are using I think, but anyway my point is you can find torrents like that for any game. It has nothing to do with whether it has DRM or not, because the games that do are quickly cracked. The only people the DRM causes any trouble for are the legitimate buyers.

Now I don't condone piracy, but I don't like the way this article makes it look like the lack of DRM is the reason this game is being pirated; it's not.
#3.3 SirEvan on 14 Nov 2008 - 16:32
Raa said,
Got a source for that?


42.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
#3.4 Recon415 on 14 Nov 2008 - 19:31
SirEvan said,
42.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot.


Got a source for that?

xD
#3.5 Tikitiki on 14 Nov 2008 - 22:26
31.4159265358979323846% of statistics are said to be made up, when in fact they are real
(2 replies) #4 SimplyPotatoes on 14 Nov 2008 - 08:53
I purchased WOG through steam for a friend as a joke. This is a horrible game I did not enjoy the demo. The music and basis is top notch, however the repetition and system design for end user playing is frustrating and lacking refinement. I know the friend I purchased this for has played that game .30 hours total as well as having recently alerted me to his uninstalling of WOG. It is quite silly. Try again as, the Wii or perhaps iphone game.
#4.1 LaP on 14 Nov 2008 - 14:56
SimplyPotatoes said,
I purchased WOG through steam for a friend as a joke. This is a horrible game I did not enjoy the demo. The music and basis is top notch, however the repetition and system design for end user playing is frustrating and lacking refinement. I know the friend I purchased this for has played that game .30 hours total as well as having recently alerted me to his uninstalling of WOG. It is quite silly. Try again as, the Wii or perhaps iphone game.


Can you buy it for me too

I heard it's a fun game.
#4.2 +Ned on 15 Nov 2008 - 04:19
I bought it for the wii for only $15. It is a fun game. Not that hard either. Some of the tougher levels are up on youtube.


Last edited by Ned on 15 Nov 2008 - 04:38
(1 reply) #5 McDave on 14 Nov 2008 - 09:02
As a comparison one torrent site says Crysis has 725 Seeders 2916 Leechers and that has DRM. So you can't really say that this game is pirated because of the lack of DRM protection.
#5.1 Majesticmerc on 15 Nov 2008 - 01:06
Crysis is a much bigger game
#6 theyarecomingforyou on 14 Nov 2008 - 09:20
I played the demo and it seemed alright, though $20 is definitely too much for it. On Steam I picked up Peggle for $10, Eets for $2.5 and Gumboy / Gumboy Tournament for $5... all of which I found more enjoyable. And last time I checked the PC version didn't support widescreen, despite the Wii version supporting it - that's simply lazy.
(2 replies) #7 kosmo on 14 Nov 2008 - 10:52
i havent downloaded a game worth paying for in ten years. last title i actually bought was Civilization 2.
#7.1 Atlonite on 14 Nov 2008 - 11:52
+1 sept mine was Voyager elite force
#7.2 Budious on 14 Nov 2008 - 17:52
Atlonite said,
+1 sept mine was Voyager elite force


+1 ... i had only mentioned this game to a friend in IRC a few hours before reading your post, i loved the online CTF (map with parallel trenches?) gameplay, it had a different feel than vanilla quake3
#8 spacer on 14 Nov 2008 - 12:55
WoG does not have a 90% pirated player-base because it's free of DRM. It has a 90% pirated player-base because it's an OK game, at best, and is not worth $20.
#9 kezzzs on 14 Nov 2008 - 13:28
WoG is a great game and one that I have absolutely no regrets about pre-ordering
#10 soothsayer on 14 Nov 2008 - 13:35
I bought my copy after playing the demo and haven't regretted it for a second.
#11 jeavis on 14 Nov 2008 - 13:42
That's just sad. It's a great game at a great price. At least 8 hours of game play for $20. You can't go wrong. Come on you ******* support a great game.
#12 theh0g on 14 Nov 2008 - 13:46
I downloaded "pirated" version (for mac, it was out before official, hehe). I liked the game so much I bought it, €15 is nothing for fun game like that...
#13 EKS on 14 Nov 2008 - 14:00
Would be interesting to learn how many of the pirated versions are actually playing the game. That someone pirate a game does not mean they actually play it more then 1.
(2 replies) #14 LaP on 14 Nov 2008 - 14:51
There would be 90% of pirated copies with DRM too. DRM software is not an effective way to fight piracy. Im fact it's often easier to pirate a game using DRM software like starforce than install it legally. Pirated copies of game using DRM software like starforce comes without the DRM software and this is a big plus for the pirated version of the game since those softwares can bug and do bad things to a computer. I don't say this because i heard this here and there i say this because it actually happened to one of my friend. After installing a game coming with starforce (X3 if my memory is good) his DVD drive was not able to read disc anymore. He had to un-install windows and re-install it to make it work. Other example of a bad behaviour by DRM software is my legal Shaun of the Dead DVD. PowerDVD, Windows Media PLayer Classic and my XBox 360 all can't read my legal Shaun of the Dead DVD. When i try to watch it using Power DVD i get a message saying that Power DVD failed to authenticate the disc. Since i opened the box the store wont accept a return.

DRM software failed badly. It doesn't stop piracy. It doesn't even do a small dent to piracy. The only thing DRM softwares do is sometime it prevent legal user to actually use what they legally paid for.

The World of Goo developper is a small unkown developper. Let's just hope that the care they show toward their customers will help it in the future.
#14.1 C_Guy on 14 Nov 2008 - 15:56
Oops! DRM hasn't failed at all.

DRM does what it's supposed to do - stop casual copying. It was never intended to stop piracy.
#14.2 LaP on 14 Nov 2008 - 16:28
C_Guy said,
Oops! DRM hasn't failed at all.

DRM does what it's supposed to do - stop casual copying. It was never intended to stop piracy.


Problem is it didn't even stop casual copying since it did't have too. p2p networks already did stop casual copying.

People don't copy games anymore. They download them and DRM do nothing to prevent the download of a pirated copy of a game.

I'm lucky to have a good salary and be able to legally buy all the games, movies and music i want. It's frustrating to have to deal with DRM softwares when you pay for a product. Guess what i needed to do with my legal Shaun of the Dead DVD i paid for since PowerDVD, WMP Classic and my XBox 360 could not read it ? I actually needed to rip it to my computer hard drive using an illegal software downloaded from a illegal p2p network.

And guess what i need to do each time i legally buy a game. Download an illegal no-DVD hack from an illegal site because frankly it is stupid to insert a DVD each time i play a game since the full game is actually installed on my hard drive and the DVD spin inside my Blu-Ray drive only to check if it is a legal disc which it is of course cause who play with illegal disc anymore ??? People download the games and install them from their hard drive DRM free without any hassles we legal customer need to deal with.
(1 reply) #15 C_Guy on 14 Nov 2008 - 15:56
Gee, with all the thieves justifying their theft by claiming they wanted to "test drive" it first, you'd think the game industry never came up with a thing called DEMO.

This story is exactly why we have DRM today. The honest people have to pay the price of those who have an ill-conceived notion of entitlement.
#15.1 QuarterSwede on 15 Nov 2008 - 07:36
C_Guy said,
This story is exactly why we have DRM today. The honest people have to pay the price of those who have an ill-conceived notion of entitlement.

... who are the homegrown spoiled brats of the modern world.
#16 shakey_snake on 14 Nov 2008 - 16:05
90% of people with that torrent probably thought they were getting the 1990 Sonic Youth album.
#17 qdave on 14 Nov 2008 - 16:09
i actually enjoyed the game and if it was 5 or 10 i might have bought it.
(1 reply) #18 GEIST on 14 Nov 2008 - 16:59
Never heard of this game...
#18.1 PureLegend on 14 Nov 2008 - 18:49
Really? You should check it out, it's great fun
(3 replies) #19 Doli on 14 Nov 2008 - 18:44
I dont get the "pirate then buy the game" approach for this game. There is a demo of the first chapter and the online tower building mode. You should be able to decide if you want to buy the game or not after the first chapter. Pirates complain about DRM and they want to try the game to see if its worth a buy. Looks like 2D Boy did the right steps here.

Last edited by Doli on 14 Nov 2008 - 23:14
#19.1 Recon415 on 14 Nov 2008 - 19:36
Because piracy is like a extended demo of the game, most people torrent the game to see what its actually like first, then later give the developers their money if they deem the game worthy enough.

It's a way for pirates to have a little dignity, and to save themselves a little money too. Prevent themselves from accidentally buying a game like Legendary and not being about to return it because it completely blows.
#19.2 jimboh1 on 14 Nov 2008 - 20:41
Recon415 said,
It's a way for pirates to have a little dignity, and to save themselves a little money too. Prevent themselves from accidentally buying a game like Legendary and not being about to return it because it completely blows.



That's what Demos are for!
#19.3 Kojio on 17 Nov 2008 - 11:55
jimboh1 said,
That's what Demos are for!


Game demos are like movie previews. The content is hand-picked and extra polished just to make the rest of the game look good before you buy it.

By the time you've realized the game's highest point WAS the demo, and that everything else is downhill, it's too late to get your money back.

Game demos are never accurate representations of the game itself, just like movies are nothing like their own trailers.
#20 TaBaScO on 15 Nov 2008 - 06:53
(1 reply) #21 QuarterSwede on 15 Nov 2008 - 07:33
Looks like it would be a fantastic iPhone/iPod touch game.
#21.1 PureLegend on 15 Nov 2008 - 11:04
That's a good idea actually.
#22 GreyWolfSC on 15 Nov 2008 - 16:41
95% of all World of Goo installs are probably not played. I thought it was kinda dull...

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