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Gamestop may not carry Dawn of War 2 because of Steam?

Island Dog   on 23 January 2009 - 21:14 · 22 comments & 6724 views

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Big Download is following up a rumor that Gamestop may be dropping Dawn of War 2 because it is coming bundled with Steam. The objection is allegedly not Steam per se but the requirement that users are required to use the Steam client, which includes a store, in order to play the game.

Meanwhile, developer Stardock, which launched a competing platform called Impulse this past Summer is nearing release of its answer to Steamworks called Impulse Reactor. While the two are similar in terms of functionality, Impulse Reactor does not require users to use a client but is, instead, a DLL that can be included with the game and hence does not require someone at Gamestop to become a customer of a competing store to play the game.

Big Download has further reporting:

Earlier this week rumors hit the Internet that game retailer Gamestop had decided to cut sales of the upcoming THQ RTS title Warhammer 40,000 Dawn of War II. Allegedly Gamestop execs were upset the game would install the client software for Steam, the game digital download service and store created by Valve. So far these rumors have yet to be confirmed (and we add that at the moment we are skeptical that Gamestop actually stopped orders for the game because of Steam). However it does illustrate the point that PC gaming is becoming more and more of a digital software download business rather than the standard boxed copy sold at retail and mail order outlets.

So what if you are a developer who wants to be able to have a PC game through both retail stores and digital outlets? Is there some way you can have a balance so one is not competing with the other? Stardock's CEO Brad Wardell says, "Yep!" and is aiming to prove it with a new virtual platform library called Impulse Reactor.

News source: Big Download

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(1 reply) #1 +Napalm Frog on 23 Jan 2009 - 21:17
That's rather ridiculous. So all HL series games aren't going to be sold as well now?
#1.1 indiansboy94 on 23 Jan 2009 - 21:22
Wouldn't be surprised if they stopped selling Valve titles all together.
#2 BGM on 23 Jan 2009 - 21:21
it's a shame, steam is brilliant

i'll be buying my copy from steam for sure
#3 Frogboy on 23 Jan 2009 - 21:22
Hmmm. I don't know if this rumor is true or not.

However, I think retailers are more likely to see a difference between Valve having Steam on its OWN games versus having Steam on third party games.

To use an analogy, I think Blockbuster would have a problem renting videos that required their customer to become a Netflix subscriber in order to watch it.

I think the objection could be solved if Steam didn't require users to create an account and install the Steam client just to play the game.
#4 ahhell on 23 Jan 2009 - 21:49
Gamestop sucks anyway.
(3 replies) #5 Recon415 on 24 Jan 2009 - 00:17
Steam is a work of pure genius. The most effective, un-intrusive DRM method out today with the addition of free, digital delivery. Beats the living crap out of SecuROM. Why isolate it from the general public?
#5.1 Dr Cyclops on 24 Jan 2009 - 22:12
Simple: Steam requires you to decrypt and download MORE files AFTER you bought and paid for a game(a time waster and very insulting and completely unnecessary, when a simple decrypt link will suffice, for verification purposes, AND the game itself should allow the player to check for any file updates, and notify the player of them, without the use of steam). Otherwise, it's p*** poor game design and programming, for these games. Also the Steam application, is itself, a memory and resource hog(100% inefficient code), with all the stupid (in-game and otherwise) adverts, slowing down over-all performance NEEDLESSLY, while the OS works hard to give the game more resources and memory.
I think, Steamworks is trying to make various game developers totally dependent of the security scheme they offer them, by playing on their fears of security (total over-kill). How do we, game players know if Steamworks did not completely fabricate the "hacking incident", so that they could scare game developers into totally using their encryption services and software. On the surface, it's plausible, to assume a hacker broke in to their servers to steal vital code for HL2, but the servers that have been available with really good security features, since before HL2, makes using Steam completely unnecessary, also, where were their ITs when this supposedly happened, I just have a really hard time believing this BS. On the other hand they could have completely designed the incident, from start to finish, and just accuse someone of breaking in to their servers (with the proper skillset, this could be accomplished, very easily).

There's to many question marks regarding Steam. I myself, think that Game Stop is on the right track about their decisive stand on this issue (if the rumor is true), also, it's my opinion that people, who think that "Steam is good!" are being completely duped.

Last edited by Dr Cyclops on 25 Jan 2009 - 00:20
#5.2 yert* on 25 Jan 2009 - 04:44
You are full of crap.

Steam is not a resource hog and you can turn off ads. The ads don't even show up in game anyway so wtf are you talking about?

I run non-steam games with steam running to access the friends network and it works flawlessly when the network is up. Are you running Vista with 512MB of ram or something?

The only real concern is what happens to our steam-purchased games when Valve/steam run out of business. This won't happen for an extremely long time.
#5.3 Dashel on 17 Mar 2009 - 15:09
Steam is quite a hog at times. It takes longer to load steam on many PCs than it does to actually load whatever game you are wanting to play.

I've been very disappointed with the direction Steam has taken over the last two years. I don't use their service except for Valve games anymore and I don't like being potentially forced to use it with many others.
(5 replies) #6 perochan on 24 Jan 2009 - 01:27
steam is a good way to keep off piracy.
#6.1 Arkos Reed on 24 Jan 2009 - 13:31
perochan said,
steam is a good way to keep off piracy.

...lol
#6.2 bryonhowley on 24 Jan 2009 - 17:38
Arkos Reed said,
steam is a good way to keep off piracy.



Steam does not in anyway prevent piracy. It has become quite easy to de-steam a game.
#6.3 bb10 on 24 Jan 2009 - 19:08
bryonhowley said,
Steam does not in anyway prevent piracy. It has become quite easy to de-steam a game.

He didn't say that, read his comment carefully.
#6.4 Dr Cyclops on 24 Jan 2009 - 22:20


Last edited by Dr Cyclops on 24 Jan 2009 - 23:59
#6.5 Dr Cyclops on 24 Jan 2009 - 23:59
bb10 said,
He didn't say that, read his comment carefully.


FYI: the existence of Steam, is to prevent piracy. All someone has to do is (usually) DL a game fix. So bryonhowley did respond accurately to the statement.
#7 2Cold Scorpio on 24 Jan 2009 - 21:18
Hmmmm.....I've been hearing rumors that F.E.A.R. 2 will only use Steam's DRM. If that ends up being true, will Gamestop drop it as well? That'd be particularly interesting since they're taking pre-orders for it.
#8 ChrisJ1968 on 25 Jan 2009 - 01:54
This is sick. I bought Left 4 Dead and it uses steam. with that in mind, I can play the game without having my CD in the drive. Steam is an excellent service!
#9 LaP on 26 Jan 2009 - 16:41
Will store selling movies stop seeling the XBox 360 because of Live ?
#10 Unclean009 on 27 Jan 2009 - 00:18
Like this matters anyway. Gamestop and many other stores have been cutting down their PC section for years now. The majority of games there now are for consoles. Steam is the way to go.
#11 jstillion on 27 Jan 2009 - 16:28
Hmm me thinks they feel steam intefer with the rip off they do with there "used" game business they practice.
(1 reply) #12 daftperception on 01 Feb 2009 - 23:41
I call shenanigans.
#12.1 kravex on 11 Feb 2009 - 16:36
Was he in when you rang? What did he say?

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