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'Piracy has taken big chunk of game sales from PSP'

rajputwarrior   on 24 April 2009 - 02:16 · 55 comments & 7031 views

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Peter Dille, from SCEA, thinks the piracy on the PSP is "sickening" and is not afraid to say that it is a huge problem on the portable platform and that 18 months ago many developers "just about ready to jump off the cliff and pull support for the platform."

In a recent interview with Gamasutra, Dille went on to say "I'm convinced and we're convinced that piracy has taken out a big chunk of our software sales on PSP." It's been a problem that the industry has to address together; it's one that I think the industry takes very seriously, but we need to do something to address this because it's criminal what's going on, quite frankly."

"It's not good for us, but it's not good for the development community. We can look at data from BitTorrent sites from the day Resistance: Retribution goes on sale and see how many copies are being downloaded illegally, and it's frankly sickening. We are spending a lot of time talking about how we can deal with that problem."

The PSP has gone through 3 major iterations during it's life cycle and a fourth is rumored to be coming soon. Many believe that other then the aesthetics that change, the loopholes that open up the portable console to piracy close as well, though Sony has never admitted to that. While it is "relatively" easy to break open the PSP-1000 (known as the fat) and the PSP-2000 (known as the slim) the PSP-3000 (known as the brite) has yet to be cracked.

Dille believes that education and legal actions are the key and that people "understood [that piracy] meant that a platform would go away."

"I'm not naive, but I do think that most people are inherently honest," he says. "We learned a lot from the music business, and it became so easy and so common to download illegal music -- everyone was doing it. It's almost like people lost sight with the fact that, well, "If everyone's doing it, then it can't be that bad."

"But, it actually is bad; it's bad for the platform. Again, I'm not saying that that's a magic wand; I think that we have to make sure from a technological perspective that it's not as easy as it is to do that."

Hopefully in 2009 we see a turnaround in game sales, as the PSP has a lot of promise in terms of AAA titles that are soon to be released.

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(1 reply) #1 excalpius on 24 Apr 2009 - 04:21
What a load of corporate marketing stooge spin and FUD.
#1.1 andrewbares on 24 Apr 2009 - 04:45
Not really, it's all TRUE. Why should developers make games if their just gonna be BitTorrented?

If you want more quality games, then pay for the one's that are already out!
(9 replies) #2 Andrew-DB on 24 Apr 2009 - 04:44
BULL PUCKY.

The UMD is a failing format. It was from the get go.


Notice anything in common?

That's right. UMD's are re-formatted, repackaged mini-discs.

"The PSP has a lot of promise in terms of AAA titles that are soon to be released"

They've been saying this since it's release...
#2.1 Deadlydread on 24 Apr 2009 - 05:32
You need to do research before you spew stuff you know nothing about. They are two totally differerent things. An UMD is capable of storing up to 1.8 Gig of data, while a HD-Mini Disc is only capable of 1 gig. Also, the major flaw in your logic is that Mini Disc is a magneto-optical disc-based data storage device which uses a 780 nm laser, while UMD is an optical disc medium which requires only 660 nm laser.
#2.2 Andrew-DB on 24 Apr 2009 - 05:49
Deadlydread said,
You need to do research before you spew stuff you know nothing about.


I was told by a Sony rep that they are repackaged Minidiscs.
#2.3 Grandaevus on 24 Apr 2009 - 07:02
No matter what they are, they suck. They too are a reason you want to pirate the PSP in the first place.
#2.4 LAMj on 24 Apr 2009 - 07:43
I hate Sony with all my guts! Their proprietary ****ty formats ****ing suck! Just b/c the Walkman and the PS were a hits doesn't mean they can isolate themselves from the standard formats. Oh, and they can shove Memory sticks up their asses!
#2.5 Joshie on 24 Apr 2009 - 08:13
LAMj said,
I hate Sony with all my guts! Their proprietary ****ty formats ****ing suck! Just b/c the Walkman and the PS were a hits doesn't mean they can isolate themselves from the standard formats. Oh, and they can shove Memory sticks up their asses!


Yeah! That's why we should all buy DSes with those carts that can also be used for...for......

Here's a neat trick. Paint those UMD discs solid black and call it a cart from now on. Suddenly you won't be as angry at Sony anymore.
#2.6 +Berserk87 on 24 Apr 2009 - 09:27
@Joshie.

nintendo makes there portables backwards compatable, sony plan on using bulking disks in the future?
who wants to buy there games twice?
#2.7 roadwarrior on 24 Apr 2009 - 20:36
Berserk87 said,
@Joshie.

nintendo makes there portables backwards compatable,


Their newest version of the DS (the DSi), is no longer backwards compatible. There goes your argument.
#2.8 Joshie on 24 Apr 2009 - 21:32
Berserk87 said,
@Joshie.

nintendo makes there portables backwards compatable, sony plan on using bulking disks in the future?
who wants to buy there games twice?

That's a bad angle to take. Sony has a much better track record for backward-compatibility than Nintendo. Keep in mind that the PSP is Sony's FIRST handheld, so you can't even begin to make judgments on that front. Also, as roadwarrior pointed out, the new DSi lost its compatibility, and no Nintendo handheld has more than one generation's worth of back-compat (I believe).

Meanwhile, in console land, Sony was so well-known for supporting old consoles (PS2 played PS1 games, PS3 initially played PS1+2 games...) that people freaked out when newer PS3 models started dropping the capabilities. Nintendo, however, freaked everyone out when it was revealed that the Wii, their 5th generation (right?) console, FINALLY offered support for an old one.

And who are we kidding, future handhelds will probably all store games on expandable memory cards anyway...
#2.9 PatrynXX on 24 Apr 2009 - 21:43
little bit of timecop here. same style though. It's facinating that anything with a cover on it goes belly up. C.E.D's did it with a plastic cartridge and vinyl video inside. (laserdiscs won on that front) then the mini disks lost to cd's. Now just normal dvd disks beat out this stupid UMD format. Not sure how they can blame piracy on a diying format. It was about as silly as Movie Cd's. (shoot me weather alarm just went off...)
(3 replies) #3 lflashl on 24 Apr 2009 - 04:46
the PSP needs to change its ways, its too old and bulkey!
#3.1 Joshie on 24 Apr 2009 - 08:20
lflashl said,
the PSP needs to change its ways, its too old and bulkey!


It has less surface area than a DS when playing (you have to OPEN that DS up, so size comparisons of it folded shut never made any sense to me...), better speakers, dramatically better graphics, had better WiFi support from the get-go, and expandable to the point where Japan got a GPS addon. It really only lacks the touchscreen of the DS, which is used creatively sometimes, but often less intuitive than the 'optional' secondary button controls.

Mind you, I LOVE my DS, and use it more often than my PSP, but I won't for a second kid myself into thinking DS hardware is somehow superior.

/with the way human eyesight works, a single large widescreen will always be more comfortable than two 4:3 screens stacked vertically

//once again, will kill anyone who tries to take my DS away, but hushayoface about PSP quality already
#3.2 +Kirkburn on 24 Apr 2009 - 12:55
Joshie said,
It has less surface area than a DS when playing (you have to OPEN that DS up, so size comparisons of it folded shut never made any sense to me...)

Uh, I'd rather have the bigger area when playing, and the smaller area when carrying.
#3.3 roadwarrior on 24 Apr 2009 - 20:47
Kirkburn said,
Uh, I'd rather have the bigger area when playing, and the smaller area when carrying.


The DSi, when closed, is about 32mm (less than an inch and a half) shorter than the PSP but is actually wider and about the same thickness.

#4 danisflying527 on 24 Apr 2009 - 06:43
Touchscreen ftw
(2 replies) #5 superhuman on 24 Apr 2009 - 06:44
I would say they should go ahead and jump the cliff. PSP Games are pirated because these developers charge a ridiculous price for PSP Games. Think about this. Who is gonna pay 49.99 or 29.99 a game??? It is too expensive for most children, college students, even working mom and dad.

Seriously, I am pretty sure that these developers can see which games have generated the most revenue. It was definitely $9.99 games like Virtual Tennis, Spider man...
#5.1 Grandaevus on 24 Apr 2009 - 07:01
I agree.

I think the only true salvation will come when all the games are offered as downloads together with a "PSP slim" price tag instead of the "PSP fat" one attached to it.

#5.2 LiquidSolstice on 24 Apr 2009 - 07:07
Grandaevus said,
I agree.

I think the only true salvation will come when all the games are offered as downloads together with a "PSP slim" price tag instead of the "PSP fat" one attached to it.


Err. What?
#6 TC17 on 24 Apr 2009 - 06:50
Once again the truth gets twisted. Why is it they assume just because someone downloaded something, that they would have purchased it otherwise. They can't lose money that they never had in the first place. The true criminal here is Sony, and their overpriced hardware and software.

"the PSP-3000 (known as the brite) has yet to be cracked." .... so why is this guy even whining?

And no, I don't even own a PSP or any console for the very reason they steal from everyone else with their inflated overpricing.
(1 reply) #7 LiquidSolstice on 24 Apr 2009 - 06:53
You may kill the console, but you'll never kill all the retro games it can emulate!
#7.1 Atlonite on 24 Apr 2009 - 14:30
er i can do on my pc what your claimin to do on a console not that i'd want to as console commands and clunky menu's just drain any fun to be had right out of it death to the console use a media pc instead
(2 replies) #8 Jugalator on 24 Apr 2009 - 08:03
Dille believes that education and legal actions are the key

Haha, good luck with that.
#8.1 foogan on 24 Apr 2009 - 11:00
Jugalator said,
Haha, good luck with that.

+1!
#8.2 Atlonite on 24 Apr 2009 - 14:30
+2
(3 replies) #9 +kraized on 24 Apr 2009 - 08:43
Release a new PSP with no UMD and only sell downloadable games straight to the PSP over WiFi like the iPhone/touch. Piracy problem solved and no bulky stupid UMD to deal with. I thank you. Sony already have the PSN in place. They have already confirmed a new PSP is coming. Sony have everything already there for the taking. They just don't seem to use it productively.
#9.1 Atlonite on 24 Apr 2009 - 14:34
thats the problem SONY and Taking go hand in hand they just keep on taking and taking coz im sure im not gonna pay a hundred bucks or more for a ps3 or psp game ever ow if they was resonably priced i might think twice about pirating
#9.2 micro on 24 Apr 2009 - 18:54
kraized said,
Release a new PSP with no UMD and only sell downloadable games straight to the PSP over WiFi like the iPhone/touch. Piracy problem solved and no bulky stupid UMD to deal with. I thank you. Sony already have the PSN in place. They have already confirmed a new PSP is coming. Sony have everything already there for the taking. They just don't seem to use it productively.



yea like the iphone has never had any pirated apps ....
#9.3 roadwarrior on 24 Apr 2009 - 20:49
Atlonite said,
thats the problem SONY and Taking go hand in hand they just keep on taking and taking coz im sure im not gonna pay a hundred bucks or more for a ps3 or psp game ever ow if they was resonably priced i might think twice about pirating


Would you PLEASE learn to use some punctuation?? Reading your replies is painful!
(1 reply) #10 Soldiers33 on 24 Apr 2009 - 08:52
if i was never goin to buy a game then i would have never bought a game. so how can they say that they loose money becuase of piracy?
#10.1 iamwhoiam on 24 Apr 2009 - 09:01
Exactly. By the same token, because you opted not to purchase it, you are also a pirate because you didn't buy it.
(2 replies) #11 iamwhoiam on 24 Apr 2009 - 09:02
'Piracy has taken big chunk of game sales from PSP'

****ty games are what's the major cause of that.
#11.1 +kraized on 24 Apr 2009 - 09:05
iamwhoiam said,
****ty games are what's the major cause of that.


If the games are ****, why to people bother pirating them then?
#11.2 Atlonite on 24 Apr 2009 - 14:35
coz they aint worth paying money for thats why
(3 replies) #12 chris4 on 24 Apr 2009 - 10:23
And in other news: water is wet and the sky is blue
#12.1 spacer on 24 Apr 2009 - 11:25
Water is not always wet! :p
#12.2 Atlonite on 24 Apr 2009 - 14:36
and the sky is not always blue
#12.3 +dead.cell on 24 Apr 2009 - 17:56
The sky isn't technically blue at that either...
#13 Xsabin on 24 Apr 2009 - 12:49
Seems like random fud .. I had a psp just used it for emulation of old consoles. The PSP games were just not any fun. DS on the other hand a purchases a few games
#14 stezo2k on 24 Apr 2009 - 12:50
you could easily say that about the DS, piracy is common on there too. if the psp had some better games people wouldnt pirate them in the first place

dont get me wrong i love my psp for emulation but for games theres not that many worth getting
(3 replies) #15 +witalit on 24 Apr 2009 - 13:14
PSP is wack as hell. My iPhone has better more exciting games than that overpriced POS!
#15.1 The Guardian on 24 Apr 2009 - 13:59
So the iPhone is a bargain then?
#15.2 Atlonite on 24 Apr 2009 - 14:37
The Guardian said,
So the iPhone is a bargain then?

is that a touch of sarcasm i hear
#15.3 +dead.cell on 24 Apr 2009 - 17:57
No, because you can't hear words written on a page. At least, not without special software...
#16 babyHacker on 24 Apr 2009 - 15:08
Don't worry.

All you pirates who say that the games are crappy will not have any games to pirate pretty soon since it is getting really hard to make money off them.
(3 replies) #17 siiix on 24 Apr 2009 - 15:49
its not piracy , its that people world wide are BROKE , we have no $60 for A freking game, its eigter pirating or nothing, both ways game publishers will get no money


but yes i agree that the last few years games for consoles and pc are simply TRASH, even the ones i pirate i uninstall and delete after maximum 1 hour, those freking corporations deserve to go under and make room for some better companies eventually... there will be no games ? i say at this point that don't even mater, at least i wont waste my time downloading gigs of trash just to look at the "game" and uninstall it right again
#17.1 +Audioboxer on 24 Apr 2009 - 16:25
siiix said,
its not piracy , its that people world wide are BROKE , we have no $60 for A freking game, its eigter pirating or nothing, both ways game publishers will get no money


but yes i agree that the last few years games for consoles and pc are simply TRASH, even the ones i pirate i uninstall and delete after maximum 1 hour, those freking corporations deserve to go under and make room for some better companies eventually... there will be no games ? i say at this point that don't even mater, at least i wont waste my time downloading gigs of trash just to look at the "game" and uninstall it right again


You can't seriously be a gamer if you think everything from the last few years has been trash.
#17.2 +dead.cell on 24 Apr 2009 - 18:05
Audioboxer said,
You can't seriously be a gamer if you think everything from the last few years has been trash.


This.

"i steal becuz evrything sux, maek bettr gamez!1"

People steal when they want something badly enough, not just because. Thieves do not steal cash, furniture, vehicles, or even food just because they can...

If these games you're pirating aren't something you want, then you're most likely a pig. You can't get enough food, games, software, etc, so you take everything, and then bitch about it as if you're some sort of superior being. Seriously, grow up.
#17.3 addc182 on 26 Apr 2009 - 14:57
dead.cell said,
People steal when they want something badly enough, not just because. Thieves do not steal cash, furniture, vehicles, or even food just because they can...


what about kleptomania?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleptomania

you shouldnt make assumptions about people
#18 Shadrack on 24 Apr 2009 - 19:12
Maybe some people DID go out and buy the game, but also downloaded it off of a torrent because they didn't want to use the bulky UMD format. One of the shortcommings of the PSP and the DS is that we still have to carry around the games in some physical form. The ways around this is deemed illegal.
#19 addc182 on 26 Apr 2009 - 14:55
true that, i was looking at psps on ebay yesterday for the sole purpose of free mobile gaming
#20 RPDL on 26 Apr 2009 - 16:15
Hm, I didn't know you could pirate games for the PSP, this makes me feel like buying one! (not really)
#21 LaP on 27 Apr 2009 - 13:46
It so easy these days.

If you fail just blame piracy instead of poor management or uninteresting product. I think the DS is surely more to blame for PSP lackluster sales than piracy.

But of course it looks better in front of investors to blame piracy than a competitor.
#22 gadean on 27 Apr 2009 - 13:50
To be honest I've been more disappointed than I have been satisfied with the level of quality that's been seen with PSP games. There's nothing worse than spending $45+ on a game only to find 10 minutes into play that it's rubbish. And to rent the game costs upwards towards $10 now and for most titles it's simply not worth it. Now that we have easier access to demos through the PS Store it has certainly made me a happier customer.

I own a hacked PSP slim but I use it for the homebrew and emulated classics. I purchase big titles like Resistance: Retribution but I still download them so I can enjoy the speed improvements and longer battery life from using a memory stick vs a UMD. Assuming that everyone who is downloading games is pirating is wrong. I think I'm violating copyright laws but to call me a thief? That's inaccurate. If Sony listened to its customers they would be in a win-win situation. Instead they stick with their proprietary ways in an attempt to be the most profitable. The "hacked" PSP community has an overwhelming number of custom themes, homebrew games, apps, etc. Wow, sounds a lot like the Apple iPhone? Except in this case their business model "works" whereas Sony's doesn't.

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