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Reggie: Project Natal and Sony motion controller 'ironic'

Joshua Seed   on 16 June 2009 - 04:30 · 21 comments & 7445 views

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Commenting on the announcement of Microsoft's Project Natal and Sony's motion controller, Reggie Fils-Aime, President and Chief Operating Officer of Nintendo feels it's ‘ironic' that motion control is being introduced three years after the Wii.

"We have been very familiar with that technology," said Fils-Aime regarding Natal. "I have personally seen a lot of iterations of similar technology. Our first reaction is that it is ironic that, three or four years ago, the prevailing industry opinion was that prettier pictures or more horsepower were the waves of the future. And now it's clear from both of our competitors that physical activity in gaming is the wave of the future.

"It's also ironic that, for Nintendo, the future is here. The future is now."

"We have pioneered many interface options that people take for granted today."

Speaking with Kotaku, Reggie continued to say that the Wii will succeed due to Nintendo's experience with motion technology. "We've looked at similar technology and will continue to look at other technology for the future. What's different, I think, for us, is that the experience is what drives us down a particular path, not simply how nifty the technology is.

"When we looked at this technology and other technology, we decided that the best way to drive immersion and precision as well as creating an environment for publishers to flourish was the Wii remote coupled with the nunchuck."

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#1 macrosslover on 16 Jun 2009 - 08:16
I find it ironic hat Nintendo introduced "proper" motion control 3 years after the Wii was launched.
(9 replies) #2 Xionanx on 16 Jun 2009 - 12:57
I also find it ironic that the Wii doesn't have the hardware capabilities to run the software needed for natal... wait.. no, thats not ironic, its just sad.

Nintendo is scared ****less. Inferior hardware.. inferior motion control.. inferior games.. inferion network.. When it comes to the home console, if MS gets Natal in stores this year, nintendo might as well hang it up in the home console market.

Stick to what they do best, handhelds and pachinko machines.
#2.1 Mav Phoenix on 16 Jun 2009 - 14:06
I think that's an exaggeration to say the least, Wii is beyond belief stomping the competition from a pure numbers standpoint. One device with still no real games shown for it, will not change that anytime soon.
#2.2 GreyWolfSC on 16 Jun 2009 - 14:51
Are you sure it doesn't? A lower-powered GPU doesn't mean it can't run background tasks fine. I don't see Nintendo as scared at all. Rather, I see Microsoft and Sony running behind them wanting a piece of the pie that Nintendo stole whole.
#2.3 Rolith on 16 Jun 2009 - 15:49
Also - the 360 is incapable of it too - which is why the Natal has it's own visual processing chips built in and only hands off output to the 360...
#2.4 Rudy on 16 Jun 2009 - 17:46
Rolith said,
Also - the 360 is incapable of it too - which is why the Natal has it's own visual processing chips built in and only hands off output to the 360...

exactly, otherwise they would just use the existing Vision camera
#2.5 Dead_Monkey on 17 Jun 2009 - 18:34
Rudy said,
exactly, otherwise they would just use the existing Vision camera

There are already motion games using the existing Vision camera, they're just not very good.

I find it ironic that Microsoft introduced a motion controller years ago, decided it wasn't any good, said that they didn't think that motion controllers were particularly useful, designed systems for motion-based-control that don't rely on physical devices, did this all over a period of about a decade, that Sony began selling their console with a motion controller within a month of Nintendo, and that now Nintendo is telling us that it's ironic.
#2.6 Dead_Monkey on 17 Jun 2009 - 18:35
Rudy said,
exactly, otherwise they would just use the existing Vision camera

There are already motion games using the existing Vision camera, they're just not very good.

I find it ironic that Microsoft introduced a motion controller years ago, decided it wasn't any good, said that they didn't think that motion controllers were particularly useful, designed systems for motion-based-control that don't rely on physical devices, did this all over a period of about a decade, that Sony began selling their console with a motion controller within a month of Nintendo, and that now Nintendo is telling us that it's ironic.
#2.7 Dead_Monkey on 17 Jun 2009 - 18:35
Rudy said,
exactly, otherwise they would just use the existing Vision camera

There are already motion games using the existing Vision camera, they're just not very good.

I find it ironic that Microsoft introduced a motion controller years ago, decided it wasn't any good, said that they didn't think that motion controllers were particularly useful, designed systems for motion-based-control that don't rely on physical devices, did this all over a period of about a decade, that Sony began selling their console with a motion controller within a month of Nintendo, and that now Nintendo is telling us that it's ironic.
#2.8 Dead_Monkey on 17 Jun 2009 - 18:36
Dammit, I wish they would get a better database server :/
#2.9 HawkMan on 22 Jun 2009 - 13:21
Rudy said,
exactly, otherwise they would just use the existing Vision camera


A regular vision camera can't do it. NAtal needs stereo vision, and possibly an IR light for more accurate range detection.

The reason that Natal does all the processing in the unit is because that means the 360 doesn't need to dedicate one or half of one of it's cores to Natal. thus you can still have both pretty games and head tracking to look around inside car and plane cockpit or have actual good looking motion control games.


Also Nintendo's success is kind of bittersweet, since Wii owners rarely buy any extra games, and when they do buy games they almost exclusively buy first party games.

Wii Attachment rate is abysmal, and the number for how many hours a Wii is used a week pales in comparison to the competition.

(1 reply) #3 Smashing Pumpkin on 16 Jun 2009 - 15:48
I find it ironic that Nintendo thinks that they got there 3 years earlier, when natal and even Sonys tech is completely different, even to the ALL NEW! Motion Plus.

Natal and Sony wont beat Nintendo now, because of the marketing, Nintendo already pretty much owns motion control for this generation at least. It will be a long time before MS and Sonys superior technology penetrates the market to the extent Nintendo has done. But its'nt it always the way that the best product, is never the leader. It's the best MARKETED product that's the leader, i.e. iPod.
#3.1 Rolith on 16 Jun 2009 - 18:15
So defiantly not gong to be Sony then... "Lets stick a pingpong ball on top of a wiimote and require they buy our already expensive camera to get any decent uses out of it"

and "ever wonder what the bottom of an avatar's shoe looked like? BOOM! THERE IT IS" marketing GENIUS!

Sorry, in a lot of cases first to market IS the best marketed. NOTHING Sony nor Microsoft is showing off has the raw appeal of wii sports did when i first picked it up. They're a ways away from release, and it COULD happen... but Wii was a FANTASTICALLY promoted piece of technology.
(2 replies) #4 briangw on 17 Jun 2009 - 00:01
Actually, I find it ironic that MS had motion control longer than other companies

http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Sidewinder...1/dp/B00004Z729
#4.1 CFer on 17 Jun 2009 - 03:43
Sidewinder was a great device, the motion feature was more or less insignificant. But you're not making a significant point, because 10 yrs earlier, Sega released the Activator, and 10 years before that, I was playing Duck Hunt on the Nintendo, and that's just the cream of the crop.

I have high hopes for this "Natal". but I prefer to wait and see who comes out with what, rather than hedge my bets on a product which is still being designed...
#4.2 briangw on 17 Jun 2009 - 12:21
CFer said,
Sidewinder was a great device, the motion feature was more or less insignificant. But you're not making a significant point, because 10 yrs earlier, Sega released the Activator, and 10 years before that, I was playing Duck Hunt on the Nintendo, and that's just the cream of the crop.

I have high hopes for this "Natal". but I prefer to wait and see who comes out with what, rather than hedge my bets on a product which is still being designed...


Insignificant???? It was the first motion controller for the PC!!!!! I'd call that significant!!!!
(4 replies) #5 RAID 0 on 17 Jun 2009 - 08:25
I find it ironic that no one said the POWER GLOVE! Awwww yeah! That was like what, 15 ironic years ago?
/irony
#5.1 vetneufuse on 17 Jun 2009 - 12:41
RAID 0 said,
I find it ironic that no one said the POWER GLOVE! Awwww yeah! That was like what, 15 ironic years ago?
/irony


little bit different a glove with a bunch of embedded buttons, vs gyros and accelerometers and visual sensors...
#5.2 RAID 0 on 17 Jun 2009 - 20:38
It's ironic that you called me out on the irony.
#5.3 vetneufuse on 17 Jun 2009 - 20:46
RAID 0 said,
It's ironic that you called me out on the irony.


Ironic aint it?
#5.4 RAID 0 on 18 Jun 2009 - 06:40
Sure is. lol

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