Update: New Xbox coming sooner then expected?

The intertubes are buzzing once again with rumours that a new Xbox may be on it's way next year (as in the year 2010). According to 1UP, not only will Natal be as big as a new console launch, it will be the next console from Microsoft.

Yup, a new Xbox console is coming soon, and not just the same thing with a fancy camera.

While developers seem to be complaining that the Xbox is current tapped, this new Xbox is said to have some new muscle under the hood. The specs will include:

  • A new GPU that will be based on Shade Model 5 and will output in 1080p with 32mb of eDRAM. The GPU itself will come from ATI/AMD and will be clocked at 600mhz.
  • The CPU will be bumped from 3 cores to 6, and is exactly the same as the previous, except just 200% faster (making it pretty equal to that of the PS3).
  • RAM is also getting a nice upgrade, from 512 GDDR3 to 1024 GDDR5. The system will keep it's Unified Memory Architecture.
  • The hard will be also go from a HDD to a SDD (32gb).
  • The system will keep its DVD drive, ensuring backwards compatibility.
  • Finally, the system will include built in WiFi.
Speaking of backwards compatibility, this is where the console wouldn't be considered next-gen (or next next-gen). All of the games that will be made for the system will be compatible with the older one, except if the games are to be played on the newer Xbox (which I am dubbing the Xbox 540), they will look and perform better similar to that in the PC gaming world.

To add some further fuel to the rumour, Blizzard has been in talks with Microsoft about their next console. The primary concern in the conversation was how to get some of their games more "friendly" to home based consoles (such as MMORPG and RTS titles).

In reality, this should be viewed similar to what Sony has done the PSP and what Nintendo has done with the DS in terms of introducing new models to the line. The old Xbox would be slowly phased out, but Natal would be sold as a stand alone add-on for the older console model. The system would be priced at around $300 US and we would see it in Q4 of 2010. While all of this is speculation, the only thing that is known so far is that Natal will be coming out some time next year.

UPDATE: Looks like it's true according to Ballmer. Steve Ballmer, the CEO of Microsoft, has confirmed at the Executives Club of Chicago today that it is indeed coming, no details were given though.

UPDATE 2: Looks like Mr. Balmer may have been talking out of his rear end (wouldn't be the first time). According to Director of Product Management over at the Xbox and Xbox live divison, Aaron Goldberg, he has no idea what Ballmer is talking about, and flat out says "There will be no new console." I don't think you can get any clearer then that. While this has officially become a soap opera, we'll keep you posted as updates come in.

UPDATE 3:Major Nelson has stated on his blog that this is definitely not true, we have yet to have any real clarification from Steve Ballmer himself about the situation, but two key members of the Xbox team have come out and said it's not happening. Let the soap opera continue...

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The upgraded spec are lousy, does anyone agree?

I'd want something like:

# A new GPU will output in 1080p with 128mb of eDRAM. The GPU itself will come from ATI/AMD and will be clocked at 1.2 Ghz.
# The CPU cores will be 300% faster (beating PS3).
# RAM upgrade, 1500 or 2048 GB DDR5

A system that will stick around for 5 years, so developers can get used to the system for a long time to come

superkid said,
So is there a new console coming or not? jeez i don't get it..


No there is no New xbox comming , there might be a new version of the 360 with natal.

This is really bizarre... He had to have had something that he felt was worth talking about... This is really strange. I don't get it.

Get over it, it's just a 360 slim. In the best case scenario it will feature a little more ram to run new services like a better Dashboard exclusive to the new model.

why would they wanna put a SSD (especially a 32GB one !), this didn't make any sense when you are the least bit into technology ... we're all heading HD, games are more than ever installed on HDs, etc ...

he's right...a 32GB drive makes no sense at all. Power consumption isn't a major concern to console users typically and the reliability of the drive is fine, especially given it's not used while the 360 is in motion.

If MS wanted to push digital services then they need the capacity on the drive to support it and 32GB would make no sense what so ever. There's also the obvious cost inflation in going with SSD's.

The CPU will be bumped from 3 cores to 6, and is exactly the same as the previous, except just 200% faster (making it pretty equal to that of the PS3).

- Going from 3 cores to 6 is a 100% increment, not 200%
- Doubling the processor speed would make it approximately twice as fast as the PS3, not equal.

Ricardo Gil said,
- Going from 3 cores to 6 is a 100% increment, not 200%
- Doubling the processor speed would make it approximately twice as fast as the PS3, not equal.


I assumed they intended to say 200MHz

Sounds false to me. Why would they go from a 60GB HDD to a 32GB SSD? I could understand if the thing is running off battery or needed to be extremly fast but it doesn't. When it comes to being able to save full versions of games, videos from a marketplace ect then storage becomes important well before power consumption and reliability (and lets face it, HDD failures is hardly an issue for the 360 compared to other things).

To me it makes no sense. If anything they will go a larger mechanical one to help people make use of the newly announced 360 games downloads and to further push movie downloads.

Does anybody really think Blue-Ray going to be around 5 years. I think Blue Ray is dead. It has no chance to catch up to DVD. I could care less about Blue Ray. I have a PS3 and have not bought single Blue Ray disc. I wouldn't be surprised if the next gaming consoles including Sony abandon Blue Ray and DVD. Maybe Flash or some other media.

Melfster said,
Does anybody really think Blue-Ray going to be around 5 years. I think Blue Ray is dead.

I think it has future but they made loads of stupid mistakes.

For example why not to apply blue ray content standard to DVD Video disks first. I mean DVD + x264 + 1280x720 video. Everybody would be benefiting from higher quality with small cost.

Also, I think idea to reduce default blue ray case and push it was not a very bright idea. Yes, you need less plastic, but you can't fit default manual/brochure/book into new size and need to waste your money on redesigning everything.

EJocys said,
I think it has future but they made loads of stupid mistakes.

For example why not to apply blue ray content standard to DVD Video disks first. I mean DVD + x264 + 1280x720 video. Everybody would be benefiting from higher quality with small cost.


Cos you'll still have to pay for licensing, obviously. So in actual fact the costs will be pretty much the same.

Melfster said,
Does anybody really think Blue-Ray going to be around 5 years. I think Blue Ray is dead. It has no chance to catch up to DVD. I could care less about Blue Ray. I have a PS3 and have not bought single Blue Ray disc. I wouldn't be surprised if the next gaming consoles including Sony abandon Blue Ray and DVD. Maybe Flash or some other media.

All I gotta do is check my local Blockbuster. The Blu-Ray section is growing like a fungus and real estate for older DVD's is geting smaller and smaller.

Sony doesn't own Blu-Ray. They'd be paying royalties to the Blu-Ray Disc Association which Sony is just one among many members.

roadwarrior said,
I can't believe people STILL believe that Sony owns Blu-Ray. How many times does it have to be repeated?

Sony owns the name Blu Ray and everytime you see Blu Ray in a store, you know it's a Sony product and you don't care how many companies are in the Blu Ray consortium, because Sony is at the top of the list everytime. And when the format wars were going on, it was Sony Blu Ray vs HD DVD. Sony, Sony, Sony, Sony, Sony. Sony Won, not Blu Ray.

I can't believe people are buying this. Article update 2 ftfw.

The whole point of Natal is to not have to release a new console anytime soon. They stated that during their E3 presentation.

Not to mention those "specs" just sound absurd they way they're written.

I can only assume the next Xbox will be called "Xbox Natal"

No Blu-Ray? FAIL! They seriously need to put their games on blu-ray, don't go back to DVD...

Philips has a TV coming out using the same concept as Natal . You turn your hand in circles to change stations and point your finger and push it towards the tv to pick the channel. kinda cool looking

I'm calling shenanigans on this one. It doesn't make sense for them to release a console with specs like that. Building in the WiFi and upgrading to a SSD is going to either put the console out of a reasonable price range for consumers, or is going to cost Microsoft a lot of extra money. if Microsoft is making a push to have downloadable xbox 360 games, it makes no sense to release the console with such a small drive. Also, if they're bumping up the specs on the hardware, they're going to want to be able to use higher quality assets like high-res textures, which take up more space. I really think they're going to have to move to BluRay or a new storage format that supports a much larger capacity than DVD.

The CPU will be bumped from 3 cores to 6, and is exactly the same as the previous, except just 200% faster (making it pretty equal to that of the PS3).

This is really a back handed comment against the 360. The PS3's cell processor has been said to be faster than the CPU of the 360 in theory, but it certainly isn't 200% faster. You can argue hardware specs all you want, all that matters are the quality of the games, both in gameplay and graphics.

Hm... I'm curious to see how this would work with the current hardware still being supported by the same software releases... This is REALLY intriguing... Will this take the place of the past releases in which there would be an entirely new console generation created?

Wonder if the Xbox will become so capable it will be a PC.

MMOs and RTS should stay on the PC. I do not want Console port RTS games :(.

i think they should cal it the Xbox 1080 "XPerience" becasue this features a more brought out hd resolution, and its a new expireice with project natal.

I like the hardware specs, this could turn out good if you can still play the games for this new version on the 360 even if graphics won't look as good.

andrewbares said,
finally WiFi built in. They're just catching up to the PS3! But still no Blu-Ray.

Blu ray will not be a Big deal. Its just a Cd that holds alot of storage and makes games load slowly. Btw DVD is coming up with its Bluray Killer, 500gb Storage dvd. Hopefully is will kill Bluray

Excellent News indeed.

Now, i feel this is a really nice punch in the face for the PS3 community. Why? Since the start they claimed the PS3 is much more powerfull than the Xbox 360, but the lack of really cool games was the major "NO BUY" factor. Now, we not only will have a very similar console in terms of specs, we will also enjoy a very vast of quality games for the Xbox 360/720, really nice Natal technology and did i mentioned we have a really massive collection of AAA games since the begining?

They (PS3 users) did wait to enjoy their console in terms of quality games and software for it. We didn't. And jumped in a really nice entertaiment platform.

I did miss the very first Xbox, but the 360 gave me a new way to see, play and enjoy games and community, specially the community. Now, with this news, i really doubt that Sony will make a real difference with they platform or console.

Microsoft has a tendency to not give a **** about early or in this case late adopters. They release a new product when they want to because they can get people to buy it because its new. It really ****es me off they like to jump the gun on the console market. It was nice when everyone would release their new platforms around the same time.

I still love my PS3 so I don't care how many versions they release, great hardware and games are getting better so I'm quite happy.

Everything has to be new at some point... When Windows 7 comes out there will be those people who "just purchased Vista". Or when the new Intel CPU drops there are those who "just" purchased the earlier model...

It always happens :P.

Now if you were saying this 2 days after the 360 launch it might sound a bit different.

Yea I agree, but we used to have a pretty long period between new consoles, it was good for the consumers and the developers. Releasing such frequent updates is a slap in the face to the consumer and the developer. Just shows how they respect who buys their products. Sony on the other hand tries to make their products last very long. Although if Microsoft jumps the gun again I can see them trying to bump the PS4 release.

The 360 processor is already close to the PS3 in terms of gaming performance because its 3 cores are multithreaded. Bumping to 6 multithreaded cores would give something insanely awesome to look at that's for sure. They should go for 2GB of DDR3 though. 1GB would seriously bottleneck the system, especially with 1080p to worry about.

Tatiania said,
But 1GB GDDR5 is much faster than 2GB of GDDR3 and better performing overall, especially the bandwidth, right?

It's not that much better in real world performance to trade off for a loss of an entire 1GB. That's why I think this rumor is wrong.

Guys, you need to remember that consoles aren't running a full OS. You don't need gobs of memory to run a game decently. And when you know exactly what hardware you're working with, you can optimize the **** out of it.

Debunked by MS? Remember the PSP Go? DS Lite? 360 & PS3 motion controls? Now remember this is video game land, where a denial is practically a confirmation...

a) MS are running on a shorter console cycle than the others
b) They already stated they will release a new console that enhances current games
c) Their hardware is already one year older than the PS3
d) Their current design is faulty
e) Everyone else will have their new console announcements next year

How are they NOT going to announce this?

Who releases a major console in a recession? What company wants to invest even MORE resources to the development of games for this new console?

Yeah this is already debunked by MS and its actually more to do with the next revision of the console, ala PSone, PStwo etc.

When you bring up examples of the PSOne or slim PS2, you make it sound as if they're going to slim down the 360...

Now personally, I feel the 360 has had a lot of issues with heat than probably any console I've seen. Thinking of a "slimmed down" 360 actually scares me...

Personally, in my experience with my older model, the heat produced after playing for a good 4-6hr's is just a tiny bit higher than what my old original PS2 would produce.

That's how it feels to me by touch anyways, and I haven't had problems at all.

The next revision was said to drop the internal chip die size to 45nm, thus making them run with the need for less power and cooler. To top it off, IIRC, they were going to put the CPU and GPU on the same die, aka stack them. Thus reducing costs even more, and the amount of cooling needed inside.

Only time will tell of course, but each new 360 revision has dropped the power requirement, so I fully expect the next one to do so as well.

dead.cell said,
When you bring up examples of the PSOne or slim PS2, you make it sound as if they're going to slim down the 360...

Now personally, I feel the 360 has had a lot of issues with heat than probably any console I've seen. Thinking of a "slimmed down" 360 actually scares me...

MS would switch to 45nm or 32nm for the CPU/GPU to slim the 360 down and that would decrease heat of the CPU/GPU by 30%-40% or so. It would also decrease the power drain significantly.

I say this is a fake. Otherwise, it's a huge fail. No Blu-ray, smaller hard drive, and a point-less switch to an SSD that will drive up the price? No way is Microsoft that stupid.

GDDR5 is cheap?

It will most likely have the same slot on top for the hard drive. I hope they allow users to change the hard drive manually, as was stated before, like the PS3.

I do remember hearing during the E3 MS keynote about Natal that it is compatible with the current xBox360 and will be compatible with future xBox360's. Why point that out in the first place? The will probably be (not a new console altogether) a major hardware refresh and continue to be xBox360, maybe with another name after it.

xBox games should theoretically be able to scale to better hardware since they are all DirectX based like PC games, right?

Totally agree with the last point there.

Games developers genuinely find it much easier to make games compatible with both 360 and PC due to the similar architectures.

Bit of a nightmare with the PS3 but that's what happens when you ridiculously overcomplicate your hardware to be the one with the fanciest specs on paper.

Dave_ek said,
Totally agree with the last point there.

Games developers genuinely find it much easier to make games compatible with both 360 and PC due to the similar architectures.

Bit of a nightmare with the PS3 but that's what happens when you ridiculously overcomplicate your hardware to be the one with the fanciest specs on paper.


The 360 is a completely different architecture than a PC, and in fact is very similar to the PS3. Now, if you were talking about the original Xbox, then you would be correct comparing it to a PC.

roadwarrior said,

The 360 is a completely different architecture than a PC, and in fact is very similar to the PS3. Now, if you were talking about the original Xbox, then you would be correct comparing it to a PC.

AFAIK;
PC: C/C++/C#, etc.
Xbox: C++ (I've got it)
360: C# (I've got it although never used or installed)
PS3: C/C++ and various VS .NET 03/05 plugins (SN Systems)

C# means going from PC to 360 is actually quite easy, whereas going from PC to PS3 is hard as it's using different hardware types

Those specs don't make sense. RAM is cheap so why only 1GB? With downloadable 360 games coming, going from a 120GB HDD to a 32GB SSD would be a dumb move. They should be increasing storage, not reducing it! There just isn't enough of an upgrade in those specs to warrant a new system.

Games consoles don't need anywhere near as much RAM as their PC counterparts...

I agree with the idea of 32GB only... but think this may be besides the point...I'd have to assume they are probably going to allow the use of external storage in some way or another... this would however possibly cause some copyright issues so maybe not..

either way this is a rumour..I REALLY wouldn't read into it much

I imagine the 'NEW' Xbox will be nothing more than the current Xbox360 streamlined to run cooler and cheaper to produce bundled with the new 'Project Natal' hardware addon. I don't see the Xbox 360 coming with any type of SSD drive and it will continue to have a 2.5" laptop drive. What I do see is they might open up the platform to more easily allow larger hard drives (similar to the PS3) or they might more reasonably price their Hard drive addons because at the moment the price is very high in comparison to what you can go out and buy a 2.5" drive for. Any other strategy of branching out and segregating the user base by Microsoft with (2) seperate in-compatible consoles would be entirely idiotic. The new Xbox should not and probably will not have any type of upgraded CPU or GPU performance wise only maybe the manufacturing process will be streamlined to make it cheaper to produce and cooler running. I also don't see Microsoft ever releasing a Blu Ray player add-on or an Xbox with a Blu-Ray Player integrated. Microsoft is pushing far too hard toward an online distribution model for video content and developing too many partnerships with content providers for built-in blu-ray capability to be in the cards for the Xbox360 imo.

I care about Natal.. primarily because I'm disabled from the neck down. Natal technology could open up a whole new world for people with disabilities.. as soon as that tech hits PC's that is.

I think this is a fake, 32 GB SSD is way too small, it would have to be anywhere from 60 - 120 GB SSD. but whatever.

Unless they let you use your external hdds for more storage? The internal 32GB SSD would be the starting default storage space.

I agree, the only way this would be possible is if they use a 32gb ssd AND a bigger harddrive for storage. The current 360 already suffers from the small HD, going smaller would be an epic fail

I'm sure this rumor is bull**** (1up telling me it was true was enough evidence for me to deem it false), but I definitely could see the 360 moving to all flash storage over the next couple years. Given a specific capacity, flash falls in price over time, and hard drives fall, but then stick and rise in price again because the hard drive manufacturers don't continue manufacturing the smallest hard drives (single platter, which is the typical entry level for consoles, the Xbox had a creep upward in hard drive size as well, they just never publicized it).

32 gigs of flash would be great IMHO, load times would be incredible.

I agree - It doesn't add up. 300 is a bargain for all the hardware they'd be supposedly pushing. Microsoft would be at a major loss with this money wise.

What color will the Ring of Death be this time? I'm on my 3rd 360, when a new model does come out I'll wait a good few months to a year before I buy one.

If you are on your 3rd 360 then you are not looking after your things. I'm still on my first one (boxed 2007) and it still works

ozgeek said,
If you are on your 3rd 360 then you are not looking after your things. I'm still on my first one (boxed 2007) and it still works :p


Nonsense, there is too much proof the original design is defective. I'm glad you have good luck with yours, but don't assume I abuse my things because MS willingly released a broken piece of hardware.

bob_c_b said,
Nonsense, there is too much proof the original design is defective. I'm glad you have good luck with yours, but don't assume I abuse my things because MS willingly released a broken piece of hardware.

If you are on your 3rd then I assume you are not on the original design, the 360 was updated several times to squash rrods.

I haven't seen any evidence that the RRODs went away either. Looks like Microsoft's going to let this entire Xbox generation come and go with hardware flaws.

Since the RRoD is by nature a "general hardware error" it covers loads of different things that go wrong. Because the newer revisions still get it as well, though at a vastly lower %, doesn't necessarily mean it's the same original cooling problem that MS has indeed fixed.

I know there's other things wrong with it, but I can't even tell you how many people I know that stick a machine which runs hot, on top of a receiver which runs even hotter, and jam it into a poorly ventilated hole in their entertainment center and then wonder why it goes bad.

i've got an original, and I've never had an issue. some luck I suppose, but still...

didnt they stick a new processor in it to stop the problems?

mine (2007) never got the red ring. instead the gpu overheated and melted the solder or something like that. im not quite sure.

I didn't know there was even such a thing as DDR5.

32mb of video RAM seems kinda small. The ATI card doesn't surprise me, the guys at AMD seemed to indicate when we were in Austin that something was in the works in that department.

There isn't, yet. However, GDDR5 is pretty common in high end graphics cards. Also it's actually 1Gb of GDDR5 for the GPU, the 32mb eDRAM is for something else but I don't totally understand what, perhaps someone else can shed some light on that? That is my understanding anyway, so take with a grain of salt.

I'm not surprised at all by this, I've been saying for a while the next Xbox is coming sooner then we think and people just shoot me down claiming the 360 has got plenty of life in it (and that it isn't even close to been maxed yet), but with the devs complaining about the 360 and this rumor, my prediction seems a tiny bit more plausable now :P

Xerxes said,
There isn't, yet. However, GDDR5 is pretty common in high end graphics cards. Also it's actually 1Gb of GDDR5 for the GPU, the 32mb eDRAM is for something else but I don't totally understand what, perhaps someone else can shed some light on that? That is my understanding anyway, so take with a grain of salt.

I'm not surprised at all by this, I've been saying for a while the next Xbox is coming sooner then we think and people just shoot me down claiming the 360 has got plenty of life in it (and that it isn't even close to been maxed yet), but with the devs complaining about the 360 and this rumor, my prediction seems a tiny bit more plausable now :P


Currently the XBOX360 uses 10MB of e(mbedded)DRAM for video memory, going to 32MB of e(embedded)DRAM video memory would be an improvement.

The embedded DRAM could be considered a "buffer" of sorts for the video card, kinda like your DVD drive might have an 8MB built in "cache". Its used to speed up access to certain graphic assets that are being used constantly.

eDRAM is where the frame buffer is stored and is often used for some complicated special effects. Having more eDRAM is what allows for 1080p with some breathing room for rendering affects like anti-aliasing and anisotropic filtering.

looks good, except i can't imagine them not having blu-ray instead of dvd. i understand that developers are reaching limits with the dvd media so this would be surprising if it was just a standard dvd drive. we'll just have to wait and see i guess.

Microsoft would never have BluRay ever. Sony would never let them get there hands on it. It would take sales away from The PS3. I would think they would put in a HD-DVD drive. Not to play movies just to have more room on the disk for the game. They made the software that ran the HD-DVD. It would be easy and logical for them to use it. They would just stream the movies over live still.

If all they need is a bigger optical media storage solution, and bluray doesn't work for some reason, then hd-dvd really isn't dead. At least not the core technology. The Chinese are using the basic hd-dvd tech and sidestepping bluray for their own internal media sales because they'd rather shoot themselves than pay bluray royalties to foreign companies.


So, I don't really see why, outside of cost, MS couldn't borrow the bigger hd-dvd storage tech just for it's games, while leaving movies and such to the direct download and on-demand model from now on. Thus sidestepping the need for bluray period.

ufis said,
Microsoft would never have BluRay ever. Sony would never let them get there hands on it. It would take sales away from The PS3. I would think they would put in a HD-DVD drive. Not to play movies just to have more room on the disk for the game. They made the software that ran the HD-DVD. It would be easy and logical for them to use it. They would just stream the movies over live still.

It's not up to Sony who can use Blu Ray or not.

ufis said,
Microsoft would never have BluRay ever. Sony would never let them get there hands on it. It would take sales away from The PS3. I would think they would put in a HD-DVD drive. Not to play movies just to have more room on the disk for the game. They made the software that ran the HD-DVD. It would be easy and logical for them to use it. They would just stream the movies over live still.
Sony doesn't own BluRay but. Secondly it would be a fantastic way to push not only BluRay movie sales but also HD-TV's which is a market sony is a major player. Sure, they may lose some PS3 sales but they make sales in other areas not to mention licensing costs.

Also Blu Ray players are already cheaper than PS3's and the gap is only widening. The day when people bought the PS3 purely because of the Blu Ray capabilities are probably over or will be over soon enough so by 2010 the fact the 360 has Blu Ray probably won't impact that heavily when theres players on the market at the same time for half as much still.

In the end of the day, if MS wanted Blu Ray they'd get it. It'd make sense for them and it'd make sense for Sony. HD-DVD would be a waste of time and would hold the 360 back from being the centerpiece in the living rooms HD Media center well beyond 2010.

Beastage said,
bluray? why? MS are pushing the online services, they don't want any media at all.

It's not really MS's decision to make yet but...not if they want to ensure sales. For the immediate future digital downloads isn't viable for games filling dual layered DVD's in many many parts of the world. Remove the limit imposed by DVD and developers will probably be using even more space. In the future yes, it will be digital only...but not by 2010.

Consider this, a country that doesn't have proper bandwidth is also a country that will not generate significant bluray movie and game sales.

I'm pretty certain that countries that can support bluray and allow MS to profit from such a move are also the countries that a push into online services and distribution is even more profitable for MS.

When a single game can be over 10 gigs at the same time many ISPs in many countries are imposing bandwidth caps then yes, it is a big issue and a huge barrier.

I don't think any country is exempt to be honest...if a household was to download 4 or 5 games in a month and view several HD clips in the same period you could be easily be looking at anywhere near 100GB+ for some households. Even in established countries these sorts of plans aren't always readily available.

It will happen but the infrastructure on a global level is not there yet.

Also what reason is there not to have a blu ray player in combination with the digital services? They'd only be covering their bases at a time where digital downloads is still in it's infancy.

Beastage said,
Consider this, a country that doesn't have proper bandwidth is also a country that will not generate significant bluray movie and game sales.


You must be kidding. There are lots of countries that have poor broadband or have insane caps on bandwidth. Even so, those countries probably still buy lots of movies and games.

roadwarrior said,
You must be kidding. There are lots of countries that have poor broadband or have insane caps on bandwidth. Even so, those countries probably still buy lots of movies and games.

yeah, so they must be pretty happy to buy yet another unit and buy all their movies again.

Those countries will just stick to dvds.

Why would they buy all their movies again? Why would people in countries with good broad plans do the same?

Clearly their DVD's still work and they can just buy Blu Ray from hence forth. You can't honestly tell me that people in the US or whatever wouldn't find value in being able to play their DVD's and Blu Rays on the XBox?

looking at the specs... doubt it
this is in no way similar to the PSP Go as it simply breaks compatability

Think 1up are just looking for some hits.

I don't see how it's breaking compatibility if it's pretty much following in the footsteps of what PCs have been doing for years now (i.e. sticking to the same architecture but just beefing up the specs.)

The CPU and GPU arch is the same, just updated, which if true, also means MS is basically saving a good chunk on R&D compared to the original 360 costs were they had to start totally from scratch.

It's basically like you swapping your Core 2 duo for a Core 2 Quad and a newer video card. All your games still run, but if you've got the newer specs they'll run better.

He means new games will not be able to be played on the old system. PSP Go and PSP will still be able to play the new games to come. That's part of the reason Sony said they weren't adding a second analogue stick. Basically, they aren't separating the market as Nintendo is doing with the DSi.

A new console from Microsoft will be just that. Unless you can play all the new games for it on your 360, I'm fairly sure it's beyond being a "new edition" as the 360 Elite or whatever was.

But if that was the case those that develop for the high end machine would alienate the millions of original xbox 360 owners.

Not going to happen mate...

No, so until further notice, people should feel free to buy all the old stock filling stores, since they will be needing the space for the new xbox.

nunjabusiness said,
A better name would be Xbox 720 (twice as fast?)
Looking forward to Natal fer sure.


That would be the most non uninnovative name ever.