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New Playstation and Xbox to be released in 2012

Joshua Seed   on 09 October 2009 - 20:54 · 38 comments & 12028 views

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As reported by Fudzilla, industry insiders have confirmed that the release of next generation consoles will begin in the year 2012. Due to the current economic conditions, both Sony and Microsoft have made the decision to delay the release of new hardware by at least two years.

"Games still look good on both Playstation and Xbox, but Wii could definitely use some sort of facelift, especially when it comes to graphics. ATI and Nvidia will fight for the GPU dominance while IBM has a good chance to win the CPU deal. If Intel ever makes [Larrabee] work, it will also try to go after the console GPU design but we are very confident that they have very little chance for success. Maybe they will team up with someone and make their own console, it would not surprise us."

In contrast to these rumors, however, Michael Pachter, gaming research analyst for Wedbush Morgan Securities, has stated that the next generation of consoles will not arrive before 2013, if at all.

Thank you to Neowin member Ci7 for the news tip.

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(6 replies) #1 thealexweb on 09 Oct 2009 - 22:19
Erm no Microsoft said a few months ago the xbox 360 would have a ten year lifetime, I thought this was abit absurd as it would take it to 2015. So the statement that its been delayed 2 years doesn't make sense, if anything its been brought forward by 3 years.
#1.1 +Xerxes on 09 Oct 2009 - 22:53
That was Sony, not Microsoft (unless they said that too?) also the 10 years life cycle didn't mean it was their only console for 10 years, but rather they'd support it and release games for it during that time (just like Sony are doing with the PS2 right now, same thing). Also it is a delay, there have been rumors aplenty saying 2010 was going to be the beginning of the next gen for both Sony and MS. While it was never official, Sony and MS never denied or confirmed it. That is my 2 cents, take with a grain of salt.
#1.2 dogmai on 09 Oct 2009 - 23:33
Xerxes said,
That was Sony, not Microsoft (unless they said that too?) also the 10 years life cycle didn't mean it was their only console for 10 years, but rather they'd support it and release games for it during that time (just like Sony are doing with the PS2 right now, same thing). Also it is a delay, there have been rumors aplenty saying 2010 was going to be the beginning of the next gen for both Sony and MS. While it was never official, Sony and MS never denied or confirmed it. That is my 2 cents, take with a grain of salt.


I'd like to second that. Except that I have yet to see anything to support any of those statements. It just makes sense that they only mean't to imply that the 10 year lifecycle of the consoles was just for those consoles alone. They can still release new consoles too. It's not likely that we'll see something anytime soon but you never know. Just because we're not hearing or seeing anything about it doesn't mean it isn't happening somewhere.
#1.3 GP007 on 10 Oct 2009 - 06:06
We'll probably see a redesigned 360 ala PS3 slim, before MS does a whole new console I think.

It wouldn't be hard, move all the chips to 45nm, put the CPU and GPU on the same die to save board space. Replace the tray DVD drives with thinner slot ones ala laptops, then the last step would be to work out how to use the HDD drives with the new design. Or scrap those and go with a new one that would fit better.
#1.4 The Teej on 10 Oct 2009 - 11:07
Xerxes said,
That was Sony, not Microsoft (unless they said that too?) also the 10 years life cycle didn't mean it was their only console for 10 years, but rather they'd support it and release games for it during that time (just like Sony are doing with the PS2 right now, same thing). Also it is a delay, there have been rumors aplenty saying 2010 was going to be the beginning of the next gen for both Sony and MS. While it was never official, Sony and MS never denied or confirmed it. That is my 2 cents, take with a grain of salt.


Actually, Microsoft also said this.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/360-...ecycle-says-kim

I'm gonna have to agree with Pachter, 2013 seems to be the right date. I think these new controllers will extend the life of the new consoles for quite some time. I don't agree about their never being another generation again, however. That's pretty absurd. 512MB of unified memory simply isn't enough for games by 2015, lol.
#1.5 Dead_Monkey on 10 Oct 2009 - 22:49
A ten year life cycle does not mean a ten year console cycle, it just means a ten year production and sales cycle.

The PS2 game out five years after the PS1, but the PS1 had a "ten year life cycle" because they continued making and selling them right up until the eve of the PS3 launch. This is what is meant by a ten year life cycle.
#1.6 M_Lyons10 on 12 Oct 2009 - 18:39
I have to second Dead_Monkey's statement. I think a lot of people are misunderstanding the 10 year statement...
(1 reply) #2 Ci7 on 09 Oct 2009 - 22:21
thanks mr.Joshua
#2.1 Joshua Seed on 11 Oct 2009 - 23:33
(1 reply) #3 dimithrak on 09 Oct 2009 - 22:41
yay..... im yet to buy my first console.. cant get away from the pc gaming experience yet.. but always tempted to get one of the two.. lol
#3.1 M_Lyons10 on 12 Oct 2009 - 18:41
dimithrak said,
yay..... im yet to buy my first console.. cant get away from the pc gaming experience yet.. but always tempted to get one of the two.. lol


Yeah, I have to say that I've played games on the PC, but for me the experience you get when you are playing on a console is 10 times better. I think it comes down to preference obviously, but I much prefer a console personally.

If you do decide to get one, I had both a PS3 and an XBox 360. I got rid of the PS3 recently as I never really played it. I really think the XBox 360 is a much better console IMO. (Please no flames, it's my opinion).
(3 replies) #4 peacemf on 09 Oct 2009 - 22:43
now we all know that this is complete bull
aint no way NEW console systems will come out, revised systems YES, but new from the ground up HELL NO
#4.1 MusicMan08 on 10 Oct 2009 - 05:47
peacemf said,
now we all know that this is complete bull
aint no way NEW console systems will come out, revised systems YES, but new from the ground up HELL NO


Agreed, no way this is accurate. There's plenty of years left in game development on both consoles. Just another story to stir the pot.
#4.2 GP007 on 10 Oct 2009 - 06:07
I love to see MS redesign the 360, Sony already did theirs as expected, so that's done with.
#4.3 pc_tool on 12 Oct 2009 - 16:30
GP007 said,
I love to see MS redesign the 360, Sony already did theirs as expected, so that's done with.


They have already redesigned the internals several times to deal with the 54+% failure rate, AKA "Red Ring of Death"
#5 a1ien on 09 Oct 2009 - 22:58
I remember reading on Fudzilla at some point that the Nvidia GTX 380 or "Fermi" came out in Q2 2009...

Just saying.
#6 +Smigit on 10 Oct 2009 - 00:02
some anonymous insider has made claims that IBM "may" get the deal or it "may" be Intel while giving no solid information to back up the 2012 estimate. You then have some other analysis stating they may "arrive in 2013...if at all". Like Nintendo and the others are going to stop making consoles or something.

Look, it may very well be 2012 but thats the sort of time frame I think most reasonable people had in their head all along anyway.
#7 antsy on 10 Oct 2009 - 00:03
Delayed by 2 years? So what, the PS4 was due out 2010? I would not expect it until about 2013.
#8 PsykX on 10 Oct 2009 - 01:12
Delay by at least two years? I can't see a PlayStation 4 in 2010 already, it's way too soon. I don't think they're really delayed for one, and second, the economical situation is pretty much fixed. I mean, we've lost a few feathers right now compared to what it was about 12 months ago, but it's going up and up and up now. People just don't get this.
(2 replies) #9 dagamer34 on 10 Oct 2009 - 02:47
Market won't support more consoles at $300-400 price points. It's just too soon.
#9.1 +minisean on 10 Oct 2009 - 21:55
+1

Especially in times like this when the economy is unstable & people are panicking about spending too much money.
#9.2 M_Lyons10 on 12 Oct 2009 - 18:51
minisean said,
+1

Especially in times like this when the economy is unstable & people are panicking about spending too much money.


Yes, it would be a foolish time to release a product like this. No one would be able to buy it, and then when things improve your competition releases something better. They'd be screwed...
#10 morphen on 10 Oct 2009 - 09:53
If Intel ever makes [Larrabee] work, it will also try to go after the console GPU design but we are very confident that they have very little chance for success.


yeaaay, and then they would have to emulate powerpc code to be backwards compatible :p
just like xbox 360 has to emulate x86 code to be backwards compatible :p

let me tell you; don't think we will see an architectural change in the next generation consoles.

(ok, maybe sony, because "it's supposed to be hard to program for the PS3"-style bull****)
#11 bnajbert on 10 Oct 2009 - 17:55
This how it will go down. M$ and $ony have both publicly shown off new control schemes for their current gen consoles M$ Project Natal and the $ony Control Wand which is a blatant rip off of Nintendo. So the only companies that are gonna come out with a console refresh will be M$ with possibly an integrated Natal and shrinked console and for sure Nintendo who are dying to jump on the 1080p bandwagon. Nintendo is raking in the dough at present but make no mistake about it, they want in on that lucrative online cash flow that M$ is padding their stack with.

So basically look for a die shrink 360 slim with a possibly integrated 'Project Natal' built in depending on how Natal is connected to the 360. And a new console from Nintendo with support for 1080p and a Hard Drive and geared towards online play.

My $.02
(2 replies) #12 dyl4n on 10 Oct 2009 - 20:56
Hopefully people will stop calling the next Xbox "Xbox 720". Nobody seems to realize that the only reason the Xbox 360 got it's current name is because the Playstation 3 was being released at the same time. When a mother who knows nothing about video games is going into the store to buy her kids a new console, What's she going to pick? The "Xbox 2" or the "Playstation 3"?
#12.1 HalcyonX12 on 10 Oct 2009 - 23:58
It would be pretty sad if that type of thing were true. What would we do if people chose software versions such as Word because of their version number? Oh wait...
#12.2 M_Lyons10 on 12 Oct 2009 - 18:50
I remember someone from Microsoft talking about this before the XBox 360 was released. People are very confusing... But I have no doubt that this would prove true.
#13 HalcyonX12 on 10 Oct 2009 - 23:52
So one possibility is the Wii HD will come out in 2011 with better hardware than the 360/PS3, and the same price tag as the Wii. Nintendo will have a head start on the generation, but with broad appeal, better controls, and finally the graphics will be where hard core gamers want it. The console could be designed with easy ports in mind, and perhaps would become the lead development platform for new projects. This would be beneficial if developers would want to get a head start on development for the next iteration of the PlayStation and Xbox platforms, so the first titles don't just look like up-res'd last-gen games with a coat of gloss like some of the first 360 titles.

Would be pretty crazy, but it could happen. Wii HD is a bit of a wild card, everyone knows it's in the works but who knows what shape it will take. Capcom was ready to go ahead and implement controls similar to RE4 Wii in RE5 with the new motion controls. If it gains wide acceptance, it could fuel desire for the Wii HD. If Nintendo follows up with an evolution of its motion controls or some other surprise, who knows what could happen. It would still have the Classic Controller as well, and the system would be overall better than the 360/PS3.

Last edited by HalcyonX12 on 10 Oct 2009 - 23:57
#14 Solid Knight on 11 Oct 2009 - 01:03
...Are we really ready for new consoles? I mean, these consoles still have a lot of untapped potential. We're going to end up in a scenario where the hardware starts out running the software.
(1 reply) #15 hoblet on 11 Oct 2009 - 09:11
The only games I have seen that use the PS3's Cell fully are MGS4, Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2. So I doubt 2 years is enough for the majority of developers to take their graphics to that level and warrant a hardware upgrade for Sony.
#15.1 pc_tool on 12 Oct 2009 - 16:33
hoblet said,
The only games I have seen that use the PS3's Cell fully are MGS4, Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2. So I doubt 2 years is enough for the majority of developers to take their graphics to that level and warrant a hardware upgrade for Sony.


How do you quantify something like this? How did you you measure it?
#16 betamike on 11 Oct 2009 - 13:40
Major Nelson clarifies: No new console, we're not even halfway through this cycle

This is a discussion on Major Nelson clarifies too: No new console, we're not even halfway through this cycle within the Xbox 360 forums,


why was this posted again on neowin ?

this is the 2nd time and the answer is the same

Major Nelson clarifies too: No new console, we're not even halfway through this cycle

This is a discussion on Major Nelson clarifies too: No new console, we're not even halfway through this cycle within the Xbox 360 forums
#17 betamike on 11 Oct 2009 - 13:42
This just in new playstation 4 and xbox 720

I bet will be released sometime around 2013 - 2015

see what i did there ?
#18 Eddo89 on 11 Oct 2009 - 21:57
You know, far as I'm concerned, PS3 cycle didn't really started until last year. Even if developers would have extracted all they could from PS3 in 2012, they probably would want to cash in a bit of their investment in mastering it before jumping to a new arena.

Realistically, only Wii will release a new console. And it won't be expensive, possibly HD. But don't expect Wii to battle hardware with PS3 and 360, because that is not their consumer base.
(1 reply) #19 Grex on 12 Oct 2009 - 13:35
Its a pipe dream but i live for the day when games can be played online cross platform. I am tired of the fact most of my friends have ps3 but i have 360 and i cannot play with them.
#19.1 M_Lyons10 on 12 Oct 2009 - 18:46
Grex said,
Its a pipe dream but i live for the day when games can be played online cross platform. I am tired of the fact most of my friends have ps3 but i have 360 and i cannot play with them.


A few games have succeeded in doing this. To do so they had to host the game experience on their own servers though, so the cost may be considered prohibitive. I know that at least some of those games also required you to pay the publisher an annual fee for the online play service, which I'm sure was to cover this cost. Off the top of my head, I think two games that did this were Phantasy Star Universe and the one Final Fantasy game. I'm pretty sure about those two. But then you had extra fees for the service as well...

I agree though that that would be amazing, but in order for that to happen Microsoft and Sony would have to work something out, and I just don't see that happening.
#20 M_Lyons10 on 12 Oct 2009 - 18:43
"...if at all"?

Wow. What a ridiculous statement... Of course there'll be another console at some point... LMAO
#21 betamike on 19 Oct 2009 - 03:35
This topic is still around ?

Microsoft Said in a public statement no new 360 anytime soon why was this topic not pruned by a admin thigns are really going downhill at neowin .

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