GeoHot legal fight helped out by Microsoft donations?

Only a short time ago, PlayStation jailbreaker George Hotz (GeoHot) was asking for donations to help cover his legal fees in his fight against Sony, who are suing him for hacking the PlayStation 3 console and opening it up to pirates.

But now comes a report from Everything HQ that says a good source for the site has stated that Microsoft have helped out GeoHot by providing a huge amount of money to cover the hackers legal costs.

The news comes after GeoHot managed to get enough funding to cover his first round of costs in just 2 days after his original post asking for donations, a pretty quick turn around unless he was given a large donation by someone.

This isn't the first time that Microsoft has got itself involved with the hacker, recently asking him if he would like to receive a free Windows Phone 7 device to hack away on to his hearts content.

Microsoft has been responding well to hackers recently, initially they wanted to press charges against the Kinect hackers but quickly changed their minds. They are now supporting Windows Phone 7 hackers as well, maybe they have finally decided that it may be more beneficial to everyone to help foster innovation in their devices rather than fight it.

Sony meanwhile, has been fighting tooth and nail to stop hacking on their console. Just a week ago they released a statement saying that they will ban any user who has used circumvention devices and pirate software on their machines.

If the report turns out to be true, it is quite a kick in the teeth to Sony in regards to the hacking of their console and it would be interesting to know how a company like Microsoft would have responded if the shoe was on the other foot.

Update: We have reached out to Microsoft for a comment on the story, but as it is the weekend, we have yet to hear back.

Update 2: Popular PlayStation hacking site psx-scene are stating on a forum post that they have confirmed with GeoHot that Microsoft did not donate any money to his costs. Nothing about individuals at the company donating was mentioned though though.

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"It seems there are quite a few desperate websites out there trying to grab traffic by reporting that Microsoft made "a huge donation" to the legal defense fund of George Hotz (Geohot). PSX-SCENE has confirmed directly with Geohot that this story is totally FALSE.

No such donation was made!!!

In the future, only trust stories about the case from reputable news sites."

I like that last part. Hope neowin's retraction machine is in working order....

Microsoft has been responding well to hackers recently, initially they wanted to press charges against the Kinect hackers but quickly changed their minds."

Wrong. Microsoft has never had anything against "hacking" custom drivers for the Kinect. However hacking the software algorithms is different, and that's what they meant with that statement. They don't have anything against using the sensors of the Kinect.

I very highly doubt this is true. Simple because MS has interests similar to Sony in this matter, and it would actually be counterproductive for MS if precedents are made which give hackers more freedom.

You know the line

"...it would be interesting to know how a company like Microsoft would have responded if the shoe was on the other foot."

Makes me laugh because microsoft has been in the same situation. There system was hacked and live was full of hackers and cheaters that made it a nightmare 2 years ago, but then microsoft worked hard and started releasing patches and upgrades(nxe with improved security) and silent patches that started killing these systems.

I had a modded 360 for 1 year and I only connected it too xbox live to receive game updates that fixed bugs like screen glitches(fallout like glitches) and etc.

After the NXE, one day I connected and within 5 minutes i was disconnected off live, when I reconnected it said I was banned. I laughed because I turned on my legit/main console and it was perfectly fine haha.

I did applaud them for there efforts, instead of making it something like this, where the company blows up and goes ghung-ho on everyone.

Its sad to say, but the day you raid a "hackers" house is the day you officially ****ED UP because now hackers will try HARDER to share there knowledge to others who are serious enough or bored enough to **** off sony even more.

They really should of "fed" geohot and then made him sign a contract releasing ownership and property and permissions and all that nonsense to posting his work online, and then after a month, let him go for whatever reason. That would of ended up much better then this, because then if he posted the hack online or the method or anything, he would of still be bounded by a contract he signed.

Now, its like really sony? Him just MENTIONING the "You guys took away a feature that was ADVERTISED" and there was no "this feature may not be available in the future" (like ea has not started printing on there games about how online play isnt gurranteed for the future, just to cover there asses when they shut the servers down only after a year of the games release). If there was, this case would of been over long time ago. They screwed themselves removing the feature giving geohot / hackers a "legal" reason to throw in there face.

Now that is exactly whats happening. He built a CFW with DISABLED access to make a backup manager / pirating. Then released it. Took other hackers to "undo" his work to allow for pirating and backing up games. That along will "show" the judge he "tryed" to do the right thing and ONLY bring back the OtherOS feature.

The kids not exactly dumb. Still amazing how a company like APPLE can forgive him / let him go. Just completely let it go, where as sony totally abused it. Its funny how apple's business has actually grown because I know people that will buy iPhone's once you can jailbreak them and Ive had 3 friends switch to iPhone 4's because it was jailbreakable and it allowed for what they wanted (themes, emulators, etc).

Thats all hackers are looking for, an excuse to do it. Sony should of done this properly instead of RAGE.

Oh well.

Sikh said,

Thats all hackers are looking for, an excuse to do it. Sony should of done this properly instead of RAGE.

Oh well.

Yep Sony have done their usual PR mess with this one and prolonging it is just making them look worse. Just work out proper banning for the pirates etc secure the system with patches like MS has done and forget about the rest.

Unlike sony, Microsofts keys werent discovered, so they COULD just upgrade the firmware and be secure again. Sony on the otherhand anything that they do, short of a new hardware revisions with new keys, is usless. Hackers and Pirates can sine thier own code as if they were sony so that they wouldnt have to actually mod anything. Microsoft's situation: you break in thier door and then they kick you out and replace it. Sony's situation: You have the keys from the manufacturer and you just walk in to thier hous no matter what lock they use, and all they can do is flail. They need to move to a different house with a new lock maker.

Same end result different path to get there, one more destructive and permanent than the other.

Einlander said,
Unlike sony, Microsofts keys werent discovered, so they COULD just upgrade the firmware and be secure again. Sony on the otherhand anything that they do, short of a new hardware revisions with new keys, is usless. Hackers and Pirates can sine thier own code as if they were sony so that they wouldnt have to actually mod anything. Microsoft's situation: you break in thier door and then they kick you out and replace it. Sony's situation: You have the keys from the manufacturer and you just walk in to thier hous no matter what lock they use, and all they can do is flail. They need to move to a different house with a new lock maker.

Same end result different path to get there, one more destructive and permanent than the other.

But you have to remember that it only took 4 months to hack the 360 whereas it took 4 years for the ps3. I'm sure when ps4 comes along things will be way different.

I'm quite sure that all the important parts of the ps4 software will not reside on the ps4. It's going to probably have online activation and processing to make sure all encryption, decription,certification dosent happen on the box

Einlander said,
Unlike sony, Microsofts keys werent discovered, so they COULD just upgrade the firmware and be secure again. Sony on the otherhand anything that they do, short of a new hardware revisions with new keys, is usless. Hackers and Pirates can sine thier own code as if they were sony so that they wouldnt have to actually mod anything. Microsoft's situation: you break in thier door and then they kick you out and replace it. Sony's situation: You have the keys from the manufacturer and you just walk in to thier hous no matter what lock they use, and all they can do is flail. They need to move to a different house with a new lock maker.

Same end result different path to get there, one more destructive and permanent than the other.

Not necessarily. There keys are out in public, so yes signing anything to look like "sony approved" is easy, BUT, if they release silent updates for PSN that automatically trys to run "jailbreak code"(see apple iBooks trick) then they would win.

They should just release the update and NOT say anything about it. Just force people to update to it, instantly it'll try to run the code. Simple as that. If it verifies system is broken, ban it. Take all that information, send it off to sony and instantly ban it without popping up a error message or anything. Just dont let them connect.

This is will be the best. Silent but Deadly.

I thought he needed 10,000 dollars, if my memory strikes me right.

That is a massive amount of money?

p.s. and i do not believe personally

so you buy a ps3 and you buy games, which makes sony a lot of dosh, but if you use a hack you get banned, possibly have the police take your console away too, isn't this going to reduce the amount of ps3 owners? i remember back in the psx days everyone had one, and most people i know had them modded in some way, they all had proper software and 'back ups' but if it wasn't possible to mod the console they wouldn't have paid for the console and all the genuine games at all... if one bored teenager can hack the ps3, cant someone at sony just patch it with an update, there has to be someone there that's smarter than a hacker

initially they wanted to press charges against the Kinect hackers but quickly changed their minds.

That is not true. (IIRC)

dhan said,

That is not true. (IIRC)

+ 1. Their original statement said they did not condone anyone who modified Kinect "hardware" for other purposes, which was taken out of context and sensationalised by the internet, as is the norm these days. No one modified the Kinect "Hardware", and no one was threatened with legal action.

I'm assuming that when the air clears on this that Neowin will step up and not only retract this idiotic notion but post a formal apology to it's readers for jumping on the sheep train without getting any facts. But then again, the damage has been done. Neowin get's it's clickity clicks on it's website.
Real journalism be damned. It's not about finding the truth first anymore people.

Microsoft employees may have done it on their own time, but I seriously doubt that Microsoft as a corporation would be dumb enough to do something like this. They could get into serious legal trouble if they did.

As much as you want this to be true and you wish Geohot to be fighting for homebrew, the actual devs that produce games for the 360 will not be pleased. So yeah, geohot please break wide open windows phone 7, i have some homebrew emulators i want to use to play pirated games with.

This is 100% pure speculation. Anyone can make this up. Why anyone would believe this pure speculation at face value is beyond me...

[Microsoft] recently ask[ed] him if he would like to receive a free Windows Phone 7 device to hack away on to his hearts content.

They are now supporting Windows Phone 7 hackers as well, maybe they have finally decided that it may be more beneficial to everyone to help foster innovation in their devices rather than fight it.

Are you seriously kidding me? They want to find vulnerabilities so they can patch them - not because they're nice guys fostering innovation. Give me a break.

Tha Bloo Monkee said,
This is 100% pure speculation. Anyone can make this up. Why anyone would believe this pure speculation at face value is beyond me...


Are you seriously kidding me? They want to find vulnerabilities so they can patch them - not because they're nice guys fostering innovation. Give me a break.

Don't bother. Everyone on here wants to believe that Geohot is fighting for the homebrew community, but in reality it's all for the piracy.

LiquidSolstice said,

Don't bother. Everyone on here wants to believe that Geohot is fighting for the homebrew community, but in reality it's all for the piracy.

Everyone thats said that hasn't posted one shred of evidence to support he solely did what he did to support piracy.

eviltwigflipper said,

Everyone thats said that hasn't posted one shred of evidence to support he solely did what he did to support piracy.

But he must have known that is what it would have led to.

Byron_Hinson said,

But he must have known that is what it would have led to.


Again, speculation. We can't prove either way.

Just had a closer look at the source. Hard to believe Neowin allows reporters to post this clearly fabricated garbage without having a closer look at the source. This is some generic geocities lookalike blog that was just created. Not to mention, nearly all of the posts clearly have an anti-geohot slant. This report is obviously fake.

Guichi said,
Just had a closer look at the source. Hard to believe Neowin allows reporters to post this clearly fabricated garbage without having a closer look at the source. This is some generic geocities lookalike blog that was just created. Not to mention, nearly all of the posts clearly have an anti-geohot slant. This report is obviously fake.

If you have proof they haven't donated then just send it in, its easy to do - use the report feature on the site. As for fabrication, loads of sites have also posted the same thing, its not like its unheard of for companies to do this. He certainly received big donations within 2 days of his post for him to close the request, something I doubt many of his basic hacker supports sent in.

In the end even individuals from Microsoft can donate and likely some did. It's pretty clear it is just a rumor and I can't see much proof coming out either way.

Byron_Hinson said,

If you have proof they haven't donated then just send it in, its easy to do - use the report feature on the site. As for fabrication, loads of sites have also posted the same thing, its not like its unheard of for companies to do this. He certainly received big donations within 2 days of his post for him to close the request, something I doubt many of his basic hacker supports sent in.

In the end even individuals from Microsoft can donate and likely some did. It's pretty clear it is just a rumor and I can't see much proof coming out either way.

Geohot was just made aware of the allegations, he will respond if he wants (or legally can). Rest assured, He won't be responding on Neowin or this HQ blog.

Yes, lots of other sites have posted this story. Most of them linking to the same suspicious blog that is just weeks old. I'm not going to get into specifics but i can tell you that not many companies do this. I have no idea where you can possibly get that notion from. Not to mention I can assure you that Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft representatives have worked together on more than one occasion on matters of security and intellectual property. Making these claims highly unlikely at best.

Guichi said,

Geohot was just made aware of the allegations, he will respond if he wants (or legally can). Rest assured, He won't be responding on Neowin or this HQ blog.

Yes, lots of other sites have posted this story. Most of them linking to the same suspicious blog that is just weeks old. I'm not going to get into specifics but i can tell you that not many companies do this. I have no idea where you can possibly get that notion from. Not to mention I can assure you that Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft representatives have worked together on more than one occasion on matters of security and intellectual property. Making these claims highly unlikely at best.

yea I know they have in the best way is them all working together. Individuals can pay donations doesn't mean the company itself.

Either way I'm sure GeoHot can post a denial as he seems able to slag off and post what he wants without issue. Not sure why he would be worried about it though. I'd be well pleased if they had done if I was him

Byron_Hinson said,

If you have proof they haven't donated then just send it in, its easy to do - use the report feature on the site. As for fabrication, loads of sites have also posted the same thing, its not like its unheard of for companies to do this. He certainly received big donations within 2 days of his post for him to close the request, something I doubt many of his basic hacker supports sent in.

In the end even individuals from Microsoft can donate and likely some did. It's pretty clear it is just a rumor and I can't see much proof coming out either way.

that's ridiculous, you guys are posting a highly speculative story that frankly sounds like it came from someone with an overactive imagination. And instead of doing the research of checking the source and contacting Microsoft about it for a statement, you want your readers to supply you with that proof? I know neowin journalists aren't professionals and most of the news is more or less copy paste, and I can value that for what it is, but there are limits.

XerXis said,

that's ridiculous, you guys are posting a highly speculative story that frankly sounds like it came from someone with an overactive imagination. And instead of doing the research of checking the source and contacting Microsoft about it for a statement, you want your readers to supply you with that proof? I know neowin journalists aren't professionals and most of the news is more or less copy paste, and I can value that for what it is, but there are limits.

I finally registered after reading this site for I don't even know how any years, basically to +1 this comment from XerXis. There have been a couple other news posts like this of late though not that I specifically recall from this author.

If I were to speculate on there being any truth behind this at all it's would be why Bryon mentioned about a few Microsoft employees donating personally, of which my basis is only that it could be picked upon easy enough from @microsoft.x in an email addresses associated with a donation or an employer field which is required to be asked when making donating to certain types of entities. That said, few if anyone besides the recipient of the funds would have access to such data.

btw in case anyone wanted to fire off inquires of their own:
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/PR_Contacts.mspx
scea_media_hotline@playstation.sony.com
http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_phone/b/windowsphone/ (not a bad starting place for contacting a windows phone team member for comment)

XerXis said,

that's ridiculous, you guys are posting a highly speculative story that frankly sounds like it came from someone with an overactive imagination. And instead of doing the research of checking the source and contacting Microsoft about it for a statement, you want your readers to supply you with that proof? I know neowin journalists aren't professionals and most of the news is more or less copy paste, and I can value that for what it is, but there are limits.

I asked them to provide proof that said this wasn't true, the whole thing is based on a rumor which is what the story on this site states. It states "if its is true" etc, The previous guy said he knew 100% it wasn't true, if thats so it's more than anyone else knows so surely he would be the best one to prove it was wrong.

Also we fired off the mails to MS PR but you won't get a reply until Monday and if you expect anything more than "We don't comment on rumours" or "We can't comment on what individuals do with their money" you won't see it. You also can't expect GeoHot or MS to start saying "yes we did" as its their personal money and can do what they like with it and keep it private.

Unsure about the nastiness behind this as I don't see a site saying MS donated to GeoHot being a big bad thing or some kind of bad PR for the guy...which going by his blog, is what he loves too.

Hope that helps. I'll be more precise in what I post next time and make it more clear to users what is a rumour, that we have contacted MS for comment but heard nothing back etc.

Don't think anyone was intending to be nasty, sounded more like frustration at the manor it was forwarded in, and what seemed to be asking someone to prove a negative, as he did not say 100% as you state, he said he "assured" you the companies worked together, as to the rumor he said 'highly unlikely'. By the way i agree you are more then likely going to get a canned bland reply from the press operations unless one is creative with the questions asked; though you should mention in the piece that you've reached out to whomever for comment but do not expect a notable response if any prior to Monday, very well may have prevented these comments.


knighthawk said,
Don't think anyone was intending to be nasty, sounded more like frustration at the manor it was forwarded in, and what seemed to be asking someone to prove a negative, as he did not say 100% as you state, he said he "assured" you the companies worked together, as to the rumor he said 'highly unlikely'. By the way i agree you are more then likely going to get a canned bland reply from the press operations unless one is creative with the questions asked; though you should mention in the piece that you've reached out to whomever for comment but do not expect a notable response if any prior to Monday, very well may have prevented these comments.


Yeah agreed, will make sure next time. Also the "As a former owner of one of the largest playstation dev sites, i can tell you this report is 100% false." was from the original user I said send a report in if he had the proof so we can correct the story.

Byron_Hinson said,

Yeah agreed, will make sure next time. Also the "As a former owner of one of the largest playstation dev sites, i can tell you this report is 100% false." was from the original user I said send a report in if he had the proof so we can correct the story.

I already received a response from Geohot. It will be up on some of the more popular outlets later tonight or tomorrow morning. If I'm posting this response here, you can already take a wild guess at what he told us about these allegations.

Guichi said,

I already received a response from Geohot. It will be up on some of the more popular outlets later tonight or tomorrow morning. If I'm posting this response here, you can already take a wild guess at what he told us about these allegations.

Great, we all look forward to seeing the new articles so we can update this one that already stated it was a rumor. Mail me when they go live.

I am sure big companies who are in direct competion with Sony must have donated some $$$ happily to geohot when he requested donations.

That picture of Geo is really unflattering. It looks like he was just on the receiving end of suprise buttsecks.

Anonymous sources are usually BS. I can't see why MS would get involved in this at all.

pretty sure this is false. but if it is true, then good for microsoft. ban the cheaters and sue the people making profit selling pirated software. but leave the original hackers alone. These guys have made a lot of sacrifices in other parts of their lives so they can be good at what they do. They deserve credit for their efforts and innovation.

pretty sure this is false. but if it is true, then good for microsoft. ban the cheaters and sue the people making profit selling pirated software. but leave the original hackers alone. These guys have made a lot of sacrifices in other parts of their lives so they can be good at what they do. They deserve credit for their efforts and innovation.

PS3 core code has been released to the public, so what ?

If I would write games, I'd love to have free access to Wii, PSP, DSi, ps3 and 360. I cannot afford dev fees

There is a lot of fun to be had in gaming, especially online and multiplayer

If this is true, it's rather hypocritical of Microsoft. It would mean that the company that treats their console like a walled garden when it comes to renowned developers (e.g. Valve) will be aiding the one person that is fighting for freedoms on Sony's platform.

Wanyal said,
If this is true, it's rather hypocritical of Microsoft. It would mean that the company that treats their console like a walled garden when it comes to renowned developers (e.g. Valve) will be aiding the one person that is fighting for freedoms on Sony's platform.

Valve hacked the Xbox?

Sony must be lucky to have such a guy who willing to hack their PS3 system,it's not a bad thing if you just figure out a way to hire him as your company employee instead wasting time sue each other...right?? Microsoft changes their mind not to go after those hacker is indeed a smart move!! The hacker community definitely have a lots of idea to tweak the product much better simultaneously bringing benefits for the user.This work either way,Sony corporate with hacker and bring the best stuff to the world. Sony Think The Right Way For Your User !

Priceless90 said,
Sony must be lucky to have such a guy who willing to hack their PS3 system,it's not a bad thing if you just figure out a way to hire him as your company employee instead wasting time sue each other...right?? Microsoft changes their mind not to go after those hacker is indeed a smart move!! The hacker community definitely have a lots of idea to tweak the product much better simultaneously bringing benefits for the user.This work either way,Sony corporate with hacker and bring the best stuff to the world. Sony Think The Right Way For Your User !

Then again Microsoft is known to hire hackers.

Shadowzz said,

Then again Microsoft is known to hire hackers.

Considering the fact that they were founded by a hacker, it would be hypocritical of them to act otherwise imo.

Like I have always been saying. You do not fight the people who bypass the security of your products...you hire them! I, for one, think that Microsoft has the right idea. As for GeoHot, maybe it's time to leave Sony alone? They sure don't appreciate your efforts.

As a former owner of one of the largest playstation dev sites, i can tell you this report is 100% false. I'm surprised this kind of nonsense actually made it to the main page at all.

Guichi said,
As a former owner of one of the largest playstation dev sites, i can tell you this report is 100% false. I'm surprised this kind of nonsense actually made it to the main page at all.

That's nice you own - sorry "formerly owned", a site like that, but where's your source?
Very large claim on both parts to make without a bit of backup there.
As a former owner of a site, you of all people, should know people deal in facts.

I dunno Sony should change tactics and just get the guy a girlfriend. He would forget his playstation for a few months

dugbug said,
I dunno Sony should change tactics and just get the guy a girlfriend. He would forget his playstation for a few months

lol

dugbug said,
I dunno Sony should change tactics and just get the guy a girlfriend. He would forget his playstation for a few months

This is probably the greatest comment I've read on any Geohot articles thus far. +1 to you, sir.

The trouble as i see it is who wins in all this? Sony...No...Geohot...Not really...Microsoft...No...The lawyers... YES

Could well add up considering he received enough funding within 2 days of his first post for some. Pretty stupid in my view for MS to get involved as you know for sure if it was the other way round the chances are they would do the same thing

Byron_Hinson said,
Could well add up considering he received enough funding within 2 days of his first post for some. Pretty stupid in my view for MS to get involved as you know for sure if it was the other way round the chances are they would do the same thing

People have been hacking and pirating on the 360 for years, MS just updates the system, bans some people and calls it a day. Do they start some crazy legal witchhunt? No. The only people MS will sue are those selling pirated software for profit, and even then they'd have to be making some good money.

Byron_Hinson said,
Could well add up considering he received enough funding within 2 days of his first post for some. Pretty stupid in my view for MS to get involved as you know for sure if it was the other way round the chances are they would do the same thing

Not saying its a good idea, just think both ideas are bad - don't give hackers who open up systems for piracy money and free swag and don't sue them either. Ban the ones who pirate etc etc

Byron_Hinson said,

Not saying its a good idea, just think both ideas are bad - don't give hackers who open up systems for piracy money and free swag and don't sue them either. Ban the ones who pirate etc etc

This, for sure

GrandTheftAuto said,
Go Microsoft Go! lol this is funny, Obviously Microsoft wants to hurt Sony

LOL, I actually agreed xD But on the other hand it's kinda sad that Microsoft didn't support the mygamercard.net which imo is better than covering Geohot's legal fees.

PKP said,

LOL, I actually agreed xD But on the other hand it's kinda sad that Microsoft didn't support the mygamercard.net which imo is better than covering Geohot's legal fees.

Agreed

GrandTheftAuto said,
Go Microsoft Go! lol this is funny, Obviously Microsoft wants to hurt Sony

Or, if true, could be as simple as Microsoft has a philosophical outlook that finds Sony's agression to be distasteful.

Also, Microsoft isn't one to gain from this, as GeoHot's hack is designed specifically to allow users to install 'Other OSes' on the PS3, which was a feature Sony removed. Microsoft has no reason to want PS3 users to install Linux and other *nixes on PS3, as it helps PS3 sales (which Sony doesn't get) and it also promotes non-Microsoft OSes.

Given their status as direct sony competitors in some markets, wouldnt this be illegal? comparable to industrial espionage or something like that? you're basically paying someone who is hurting your competitor

Julius Caro said,
Given their status as direct sony competitors in some markets, wouldnt this be illegal? comparable to industrial espionage or something like that? you're basically paying someone who is hurting your competitor

Correct. Short of handing him cash, it would be traceable. I highly doubt MS would put themselves in that position.

Julius Caro said,
Given their status as direct sony competitors in some markets, wouldnt this be illegal? comparable to industrial espionage or something like that? you're basically paying someone who is hurting your competitor

bit of a grey area but along those lines, yeah.

Julius Caro said,
Given their status as direct sony competitors in some markets, wouldnt this be illegal? comparable to industrial espionage or something like that? you're basically paying someone who is hurting your competitor
No it wouldn't. Microsoft didn't pay him to do it, his actions were taken first. And there's nothing illegal about donating money to someone for a legal defense, even if they are guilty.

Julius Caro said,
Given their status as direct sony competitors in some markets, wouldnt this be illegal? comparable to industrial espionage or something like that? you're basically paying someone who is hurting your competitor

Could be wrong but don't think it is illegal to donate to funds to someones legal costs.

Byron_Hinson said,

Could be wrong but don't think it is illegal to donate to funds to someones legal costs.

+1

There are few restrictions on donating to a legal defense fund in the USA. There are virtually no rules on who can give, and it has even created a bit of controversy, as companies use these as ways to make money off of the defendants.

Maybe 20 or 30 years ago, there might have been ethical issues raised, but in he last few years of the decline in business ethics and judicial ethics, something like this wouldn't raise an eyebrow anymore.

Corporations have few ethical constraints after state dismantling of corporate law and judicial rulings that require corporations to put profit above ethical motives. It wasn't that long ago that a corporation had to prove the governing state that they are both ethical and providing benefit to the people of the state. These laws in most states are gone now sadly.

With regard to this story, Microsoft has nothing to gain, as the hacker is not continuing to hurt Sony, nor does Microsoft want or need any of the information garnered by the hacker. So even a quid pro quo argument would be hard to find.

thenetavenger said,

+1

There are few restrictions on donating to a legal defense fund in the USA. There are virtually no rules on who can give, and it has even created a bit of controversy, as companies use these as ways to make money off of the defendants.

Maybe 20 or 30 years ago, there might have been ethical issues raised, but in he last few years of the decline in business ethics and judicial ethics, something like this wouldn't raise an eyebrow anymore.

Corporations have few ethical constraints after state dismantling of corporate law and judicial rulings that require corporations to put profit above ethical motives. It wasn't that long ago that a corporation had to prove the governing state that they are both ethical and providing benefit to the people of the state. These laws in most states are gone now sadly.

With regard to this story, Microsoft has nothing to gain, as the hacker is not continuing to hurt Sony, nor does Microsoft want or need any of the information garnered by the hacker. So even a quid pro quo argument would be hard to find.

well, you must be a lawyer or in law school...

thenetavenger said,

+1

There are few restrictions on donating to a legal defense fund in the USA. There are virtually no rules on who can give, and it has even created a bit of controversy, as companies use these as ways to make money off of the defendants.

Maybe 20 or 30 years ago, there might have been ethical issues raised, but in he last few years of the decline in business ethics and judicial ethics, something like this wouldn't raise an eyebrow anymore.

Corporations have few ethical constraints after state dismantling of corporate law and judicial rulings that require corporations to put profit above ethical motives. It wasn't that long ago that a corporation had to prove the governing state that they are both ethical and providing benefit to the people of the state. These laws in most states are gone now sadly.

With regard to this story, Microsoft has nothing to gain, as the hacker is not continuing to hurt Sony, nor does Microsoft want or need any of the information garnered by the hacker. So even a quid pro quo argument would be hard to find.

Nice explanation !