Get Back to the Farm, Mac Boy

Has Leopard let the malware cat out of the bag? It's time to ask, given all the security potholes Apple has hit since the release of Mac OS X 10.5. The new QuickTime flaws and exploit are reasons enough to wonder.

Mac users have long lived in a la-la land of enchantment, free from thieving malware marauders. But times change. Increases in Mac market share and Apple's adoption of Intel processors have opened La-La Land to outside trade. Watch out, the big-city felons have followed the trade roads back to the Land of Enchantment. It's not a question of if they will attack, but when.

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I’m sorry, but it doesn’t matter what OS anyone uses, as they all can be hacked just as easy. It just what people chose to target, and most users who use windows are not that computer smart, making windows boxes just too easy to target not to mention the hating on MS. Most people who use *nix usually have a good understanding of computers and know how to setup their systems, so from a hackers point of view why waste time with computers that are more secure when all the lame windows users are just so easy to get into. I have also known plenty of people with nix boxes that got hacked and owned on a regular basis based on people who disliked them. as for macs, IMO MAC OS is still just a BSD rip off which they try to stuff more propriety apple crap into every release as they try to compete head on with windows for features

Not worried. Just because there's exploits doesn't mean there's people to exploit those exploits. I feel I'm safe.

Hurmoth said,
:laugh: Not worried. Just because there's exploits doesn't mean there's people to exploit those exploits. I feel I'm safe.

feeling safe is not the same as being safe.

Seriously, who cares?

Windows must have lord knows how many security holes and all those exploits and I never update at all and I don't use security tools and, thus far, I have never had any problem with adware or damaging virusses.

I suppose it's very possible that I'm part of a dozen botnets and harbouring all the spyware in the world but what does it matter? I don't have any personal information. I don't bank with the computer. That's the only thing I can see to really worry about. I don't even buy things with the computer.

My situation would be no different if I were running Mac OS X.

I don't think this article is worthy of front page news.

If Mac operating system software does keep getting more popular then sure there will be a lot more exploits and virusses and the like. How about you phone me when that happens? In fact, phone all those Mac users too. Maybe they will start taking this seriously.

Until somebody uses your computer as a gateway to doing something highly dodgy, DDoS, Child Porn, Hacking.

Its always fun when the police turn up at your door. Only a percentage of viruses come in though exploits in the machine. Most have to be executed and run by the user.

Most people using Linux will (hopefully especially if its a server) hash check their downloads and only install trusted software. There isn't that much malware about but it does exist even if its just a lame shell script. There are so many Linux kernels and versions out that if you *did* find an exploit and release it into the wild your chance of actually affecting anyone are close to 0%.

The whole point in writing malware now is money this is easy to achieve by 1) Targeting the most stupidest of computer users you know the sort of users we mean the ones you can pop up a message saying "OMG YOU HAVE WON $1,000,000,000" or "GET THIS CUTE KITTY CAT SCREENSAVER FOR FREE!!!!!11111"and they will click away and do whatever it asks them to and

2) The ones who are running as admin on their boxes with often no passwords, firewalls and leave their ADSL connected 24/7 residing on the most popular operating system.

doesen't take much working out.

It's an awfully vain attempt at writing subjectively but unfortunately this article falls on all accounts. What a pile of steaming skid marked pants.

Mac users have long lived in a la-la land of enchantment, free from thieving malware marauders. But times change. Increases in Mac market share and Apple's adoption of Intel processors have opened La-La Land to outside trade. Watch out, the big-city felons have followed the trade roads back to the Land of Enchantment.


Oh for God's sake, this is childish.

Like most "second generation" news sites... most of the information is copy/pasted or linked to. These aren't actual stories that have been conducted by the staff of Neowin. I like it that way... saves time and money having to go to hundreds of sites, when I can get the gist of the action right here on the front page of the two main sites I visit: Neowin and Bink.

However, ... the Mac vs "the world of other OSes" on going war of how, when, who, why and just plain "oh yeah, it's gonna happen" propaganda isn't being fed by those posting news. It's all of you that post 25 replies apiece commenting on what experiences you do have. ( or worse, commenting on experiences you don't have! )

The fact is, I've seen issues bring down a Mac, Windows.. having to use Sam Anti-Virus on the Mac, multiple AVs on Windows... etc, etc, etc. Issues are posted ALL THE TIME about all the different operating systems. The exploits and open door exist on all platforms - a fact that no single user can deny. Period.

Whether or not it's feasible at the moment to use those exploits doesn't elude the fact that they exist. Sites like Neowin post news about exploits being found in any OS.. and the same crap happens over and over again.. just like it is here with this thread.

So.... you Mac or Linux users out there, don't need to come walking around the corner with that chip on your shoulder... for one, it has always made you look like an ass, and two... well, you get the picture. (unless of course, we need to draw it for you)

I love how he implies that because Apple has switched to Intel processors that makes there OS more vulnerable to attack. Please someone get this guy an education.

Why is this news? Come on Neowin you say you don't want flame-bait and your posting this sort of article on the Main Page which is not full of facts but an opinion. And its from a Pro-Microsoft website.

At least try to look impartial Neowin.

Vice said,
I love how he implies that because Apple has switched to Intel processors that makes there OS more vulnerable to attack. Please someone get this guy an education.

Why is this news? Come on Neowin you say you don't want flame-bait and your posting this sort of article on the Main Page which is not full of facts but an opinion. And its from a Pro-Microsoft website.

At least try to look impartial Neowin.

The code used in a buffer overrun attack doesn't have to be written as OSX code. It could be written as x86 machine code and will execute on anything with the right processor. Also note that Neowin did not write this article. Someone at MS-Watch wrote it and another _user_ here submitted it.

GreyWolfSC said,

The code used in a buffer overrun attack doesn't have to be written as OSX code. It could be written as x86 machine code and will execute on anything with the right processor. Also note that Neowin did not write this article. Someone at MS-Watch wrote it and another _user_ here submitted it.

You miss my point completely. Microcode specific malicious programs could be executed on PowerPC processors just as easily as it could do on a x86_32/64 processor. By switching they do not increase or decrease the vulnerability of their OS it is the same amount of risk. Security by obscurity is a fools game and should not be factored in to the switching from the PowerPC chips to the more readily available x86 chips. If anything a vulnerability written for a x86 CPU would target specific processor rangers. It would be difficult to locate a vulnerability and successfully execute an attack (exploit) on an entire type of processor architecture.

And I know Neowin did not write this article. I'm saying they should not link to opinion pieces and stick to factual articles.

Vice said,

You miss my point completely. Microcode specific malicious programs could be executed on PowerPC processors just as easily as it could do on a x86_32/64 processor. By switching they do not increase or decrease the vulnerability of their OS it is the same amount of risk. Security by obscurity is a fools game and should not be factored in to the switching from the PowerPC chips to the more readily available x86 chips. If anything a vulnerability written for a x86 CPU would target specific processor rangers. It would be difficult to locate a vulnerability and successfully execute an attack (exploit) on an entire type of processor architecture.

And I know Neowin did not write this article. I'm saying they should not link to opinion pieces and stick to factual articles.


My point was simply Macs use the same processor as Windows now, so it's not unexpected that the 'bad guys' may save time and write the same machine code base that's in a wrapper tailored for the specific vulnerabilities of the parent operating system. If that happens, (or already has happened,) Macs will be marching lock-step in the same bot armies as Windows and Linux PCs. That's why he implies the Intel switch introduces a new vulnerability.

And if you don't like the article, (I didn't) complain and rate it appropriately in that "Quality" box.

Ok people I sick of hearing "My OS is better than windows/OSX/Linux/Ubutu"

for God sake try to REALISE its only about market SHARE!!!

I would like to ask NEOWIN mods to kindly make a mailing list where people that dont agree are added and when they are proved wrong some comming day they should be emailed along with links to the posts they made so they can say sorry and realize how big of a screw head they had been....

I bet if there was a mailing list like this for the world millons off OSX likers would have got the email...

PS: I am biased for OS's, i use windows becouse its common and have no interest in any other OS simply becouse I cannot invest time to them.

How is this news???

Please can we have a front page filter that blocks opinion based stories about Leopard and Vista (maybe one that blocks anything posted by Daniel Flesbourne...)

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bobbba said,
How is this news???

Please can we have a front page filter that blocks opinion based stories about Leopard and Vista (maybe one that blocks anything posted by Daniel Flesbourne...)

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Agreed! I've already decided any opinion-based articles about OSes are getting a 1 out of 5 on the Quality scale. (Like this one.)

Here's a solution. DON'T READ THEM IF YOU DON'T LIKE THEM... No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to read...

Foub said,
Here's a solution. DON'T READ THEM IF YOU DON'T LIKE THEM... No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to read...


many a true word SHOUTED IN CAPITALS

I think that such a mainstream technology (and enjoying a resurgence at that) is always going to be prone to a wider variety of vulnerabilities.

Microsoft-watch.com? Please.

On that note, where are my Linux viruses and malware? I've been hearing the same story for the last 10 years how "this year Linux will get them", I haven't seen any yet.

Not all of his articles are against macs. You really need to read some of his other comments.
and where have you been hearing the same story for the last 10 years? I don't really think people have been saying much about Linux because, well, people don't really care about Linux

daPhoenix said,
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On that note, where are my Linux viruses and malware? I've been hearing the same story for the last 10 years how "this year Linux will get them", I haven't seen any yet.
Oh, they exist.

But, for what it is worth, I have never seen one myself, either.

bibutteryboy said,
Not all of his articles are against macs. You really need to read some of his other comments.
and where have you been hearing the same story for the last 10 years? I don't really think people have been saying much about Linux because, well, people don't really care about Linux

That's a bit of a ridiculous statement. Didn't we have an article here at one point about how, on the "botnet black market" Windows systems were incredibly cheap ($5 for one or something) but a Linux system went for more like $500? These systems are sought after, and there is a monetary incentive for it.