Google fires back against Microsoft's privacy ad

Well, that didn't take very long. Just a few hours after Microsoft announced it was running a newspaper ad that was critical of Google's recent changes in its privacy polices, Google has fired back with its response via its official blog site.

On Microsoft's claim that Google's policy changes make it harder for people to control what personal information they might have while using Google products, Google said:

Our privacy controls have not changed. Period. Our users can: edit and delete their search history; edit and delete their YouTube viewing history; use many of our services signed in or out; use Google Dashboard and our Ads Preferences Manager to see what data we collect and manage the way it is used; and take advantage of our data liberation efforts if they want to remove information from our services.

Microsoft also claimed that Google's changes will make its products better for advertisers. Google's response is:

The vast majority of the product personalization Google does is unrelated to ads—it’s about making our services better for users. Today a signed-in user can instantly add an appointment to their Calendar when a message in Gmail looks like it’s about a meeting, or read Google Docs within their email.

Microsoft also tried to make the case that its privacy polices for its online products like Hotmail, Internet Explorer, Bing and Office 365 were better than Google's. Google took exception to that, saying:

We don’t make judgments about other people’s policies or controls. But our industry-leading Privacy Dashboard, Ads Preferences Manager and data liberation efforts enable you to understand and control the information we collect and how we use it—and we’ve simplified our privacy policy to make it easier to understand. Microsoft has no data liberation effort or Dashboard-like hub for users. Their privacy policy states that “information collected through one Microsoft service may be combined with information obtained through other Microsoft services."

It's clear that there is no love lost between these two companies at the moment. It will be interesting to see where this war of words will go in the future.

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bmthetechfan said,
May be its time Apple or someone else comes out with an alternative of bing and google search..
Let's not back to 1997 where we had too many. Hotbot sounds like droid p0rn.

I'm at a loss here... Who am I supposed to give all my personal, sensitive and private information too again? How could I just keep it to myself? This information must be shared!!!!

Google also won't admit to anything unless they get caught with proof. Such as their street car collecting wireless data, and them claiming they didn't at first.

jd100 said,
Google also won't admit to anything unless they get caught with proof. Such as their street car collecting wireless data, and them claiming they didn't at first.

As far as my knowledge, Google admitted the fiasco about their street car themselvs..

The part that makes Google far worse, is the fact they collect the data and save it forever. Microsoft does not do that, or that I am aware of anyways.

Google also collects FAR more data on everything you do, than Microsoft does.

TRC said,
Better hide the chairs from Ballmer.
Gates already took them all. He wanted to show everyone he could still jump over one.

I'm so lost with all the arguing going on in the above posts. I mean doesn't Google inform you that it collects your data and uses it for it's ad-program. Google will track your data blah blah blah to improve 'the quality of your search results'. I think Google does in fact 'connect the dots'. why wouldn't they? They have the power, and 99% of us have NO idea what goes on behind Google.

TOMTOM404 that kind of harsh what you said. But I understand where you are coming from.The point is its like watching tv ads on tv and most people rather not now sit and watch them. So we should have the same right on the net not to have people take our personal etc stuff of what sites we like to go to etc. But you are right we can juts not use Google like you said and yes it been happening many years before but people have found ways to try to get out of these stuff so they don't track you like opting out or etc other options.Now I understand why google doing this they are doing it to make it easier to the consumer of showing what they maybe looking for or what.

lol i think more people have seen sense on this post, rather than the microsoft post, its all the same and microsoft are being smart in a business perspective by trying to twist it, but honestly people are so ignorant and paranoid these days that they think everyone is trying to steal their data, come on people i mean really?! all this online privacy stuff is doing my head in to be honest, if people dont want there data to be used even in these non-malicious way (solely for advertising) then dont share you data, no one is making you lol, simples.

Google's privacy policy is not changing at all. All they are doing is combining data from all their services which the data is already out there. MS is just trying to capitalize on people's fears and misunderstandings in order to gain more users.

If Google is mistreating people's data, I am sure that it will be revealed quickly (like things normally are) and they will be sued/held accountable. I am not worried in the least bit.

techbeck said,
Google's privacy policy is not changing at all. All they are doing is combining data from all their services which the data is already out there. MS is just trying to capitalize on people's fears and misunderstandings in order to gain more users.

If Google is mistreating people's data, I am sure that it will be revealed quickly (like things normally are) and they will be sued/held accountable. I am not worried in the least bit.

+1 MS does seem to be running a fear and smear campaign, guess you gotta spend that $14bn of marketing cash on something.

thealexweb said,

+1 MS does seem to be running a fear and smear campaign, guess you gotta spend that $14bn of marketing cash on something.

Its what all companies do. MS is doing it now...tomorrow it will be someone else.

thealexweb said,

+1 MS does seem to be running a fear and smear campaign, guess you gotta spend that $14bn of marketing cash on something.

ya that 5000 dollar ad really made a dent in their budget

techbeck said,
Google's privacy policy is not changing at all. All they are doing is combining data from all their services which the data is already out there. MS is just trying to capitalize on people's fears and misunderstandings in order to gain more users.

If Google is mistreating people's data, I am sure that it will be revealed quickly (like things normally are) and they will be sued/held accountable. I am not worried in the least bit.

You ASSUME all of us accept the state of affairs, which we do not.

thealexweb said,

+1 MS does seem to be running a fear and smear campaign, guess you gotta spend that $14bn of marketing cash on something.

Duh! Do you think there is another way to stop people from using services from criminals other than by letting people know about it? Google does the same thing.

Jebadiah said,

You ASSUME all of us accept the state of affairs, which we do not.

Did I say all of you? No, I said MS is just capitalizing on people's fears. I didnt say who. And I dont know for sure what Google is doing. No one does. I am just looking at what is said and what it presented. There has been no proof that I saw that Google is doing anything wrong here.

techbeck said,

Did I say all of you? No, I said MS is just capitalizing on people's fears. I didnt say who. And I dont know for sure what Google is doing. No one does. I am just looking at what is said and what it presented. There has been no proof that I saw that Google is doing anything wrong here.

Yes, you said "If Google is mistreating people's data...". What are you stupid or something? Or drinking Google's Kool aid?

You sound like a janitor who gets paid by Google to clean up their ****.

I strongly prefer Google. Last week I got to the Google Dashboard by accident, and it was just really nice to see exactly what data Google keeps from me, and be able to change everything from one central page. It helped me find a lot of new stuff too.

Microsoft's solution on the other hand is just a very loosely integrated mess of half-baked products if you ask me. I only use Windows Live for Mesh anymore, absolutely nothing else.

Ambroos said,
I strongly prefer Google. Last week I got to the Google Dashboard by accident, and it was just really nice to see exactly what data Google keeps from me, and be able to change everything from one central page. It helped me find a lot of new stuff too.

Microsoft's solution on the other hand is just a very loosely integrated mess of half-baked products if you ask me. I only use Windows Live for Mesh anymore, absolutely nothing else.


You missed MS dashboard? https://choice.live.com/Data/Dashboard

Ambroos said,
Microsoft's solution on the other hand is just a very loosely integrated mess of half-baked products if you ask me. I only use Windows Live for Mesh anymore, absolutely nothing else.

Google isn't without its share of half baked products. Hell, most of them go to the Google graveyard after a year. Microsoft is finally starting to integrate their services better, which is great. They still have some work to do, but I can definitely see they are making progress.

Ambroos said,
I strongly prefer Google. Last week I got to the Google Dashboard by accident, and it was just really nice to see exactly what data Google keeps from me, and be able to change everything from one central page. It helped me find a lot of new stuff too.

Microsoft's solution on the other hand is just a very loosely integrated mess of half-baked products if you ask me. I only use Windows Live for Mesh anymore, absolutely nothing else.

Exactly, the MS version of Dashboard does almost nothing. Live tools "barely" work with IE8/9 once you have to deal with these problems on a daily bases. Live "search" is a joke within IE8/9. I'm starting to believe that M$ is doing these things on purpose, because they are in the business of selling new SOFTWARE. They are both bad IMO, but from two ends of the same coin. Google docs works, MS cloud anything is a proprietary bloated mess already, and it's just getting started. Goto TechNet and type the word Sharepoint, how can they do something on a large scale that tries to tie into things that do not work well enough now? The cloud = internet, and should not = internet + proprietary systems that must be changed/updated every couple years or less. MS Sys Admins believe this will end them, and that's why they don't want Google, but that changes with their current budgets. The MS OS is still a bloatfest with Win7, and Win8 is adding yet another layer into a registry that should have been put down already.

justmike said,

Exactly, the MS version of Dashboard does almost nothing. Live tools "barely" work with IE8/9 once you have to deal with these problems on a daily bases. Live "search" is a joke within IE8/9. I'm starting to believe that M$ is doing these things on purpose, because they are in the business of selling new SOFTWARE. They are both bad IMO, but from two ends of the same coin. Google docs works, MS cloud anything is a proprietary bloated mess already, and it's just getting started. Goto TechNet and type the word Sharepoint, how can they do something on a large scale that tries to tie into things that do not work well enough now? The cloud = internet, and should not = internet + proprietary systems that must be changed/updated every couple years or less. MS Sys Admins believe this will end them, and that's why they don't want Google, but that changes with their current budgets. The MS OS is still a bloatfest with Win7, and Win8 is adding yet another layer into a registry that should have been put down already.


Look everybody! It's one of those people that thinks the registry should be eliminated!

/proprietary isn't a bad word
//even actual open source developers who've been around the block once or twice appreciate the purpose of proprietary software
///open and proprietary need to exist together because neither could possibly survive alone

justmike said,

The MS OS is still a bloatfest with Win7, and Win8 is adding yet another layer into a registry that should have been put down already.

I just love it when people talk about stuff they have no clue about (e.g. the registry)…

still1 said,

Microsoft took Google idea of a data dashboard that's awesome.

Um, how much ya wanna bet Microsoft has disclosed this information before Google was used by more than 100 people.

MSN (when it was competing with Compuserve) provided this information, and Microsoft has continued since then. The Microsoft login technology that also moved over to become Passport and now is LiveID has been very consistent and clear on providing what they do with your information.

Your Microsoft data is not 'data mined' and it is secured in a manner even their employees have to crack a 256bit encryption to ever see or query.

Joshie said,

Look everybody! It's one of those people that thinks the registry should be eliminated!

/proprietary isn't a bad word
//even actual open source developers who've been around the block once or twice appreciate the purpose of proprietary software
///open and proprietary need to exist together because neither could possibly survive alone

FOR NOW, but not forever. Why should it matter if all your info is in the cloud anyway? LOL Any other layer of protection must be a web service anyway. I know how the registry works today, and the reason behind the errors I deal with every day, and the MS help-desk fixes and workarounds, when/if there are fixes or workarounds for their own software. MS will fail if they keep going in this proprietary direction, it works for everything other than the race they are all trying to win, the cloud.

Edited by justmike, Feb 2 2012, 12:53am :

justmike said,

FOR NOW, but not forever. Why should it matter if all your info is in the cloud anyway? LOL Any other layer of protection must be a web service anyway. I know how the registry works today, and the reason behind the errors I deal with every day, and the MS help-desk fixes and workarounds, when/if there are fixes or workarounds for their own software. MS will fail if they keep going in this proprietary direction, it works for everything other than the race they are all trying to win, the cloud.

Please do at least pick up paragraphing...

thenetavenger said,

Um, how much ya wanna bet Microsoft has disclosed this information before Google was used by more than 100 people.

MSN (when it was competing with Compuserve) provided this information, and Microsoft has continued since then. The Microsoft login technology that also moved over to become Passport and now is LiveID has been very consistent and clear on providing what they do with your information.

Your Microsoft data is not 'data mined' and it is secured in a manner even their employees have to crack a 256bit encryption to ever see or query.


hahaha this made me laugh... what are you talking? i know the live passport and the liveID show me the policy where they are very clear about what they will do with the info... google also do that.They have policy about what they will doing with the info.read the google policy what does that anything to do with microsoft copying google dashboard?
So google make all user data available for everyone? its billion dollar company and they follow the same data protection... since you dont know it doesnt mean google dont do it.

still1 said,

hahaha this made me laugh... what are you talking? i know the live passport and the liveID show me the policy where they are very clear about what they will do with the info... google also do that.They have policy about what they will doing with the info.read the google policy what does that anything to do with microsoft copying google dashboard?
So google make all user data available for everyone? its billion dollar company and they follow the same data protection... since you dont know it doesnt mean google dont do it.

Google sells my 10 year browsing history and advanced algorithmic psychological profile to advertisers. They already told me this is what they want to do. With the new privacy policy, they would have an even more complete picture of me if I had an Android phone. Where I sleep, where I eat, how long I'm in the bathroom, etc. Then I would start getting ads from Charmin while I'm taking a dump.

Enron said,

Google sells my 10 year browsing history and advanced algorithmic psychological profile to advertisers. They already told me this is what they want to do. With the new privacy policy, they would have an even more complete picture of me if I had an Android phone. Where I sleep, where I eat, how long I'm in the bathroom, etc. Then I would start getting ads from Charmin while I'm taking a dump.

and u think MS is not doing that??? MS dont want to deliver Ads to you? yes they do but they have not been very successful.

justmike said,

FOR NOW, but not forever. Why should it matter if all your info is in the cloud anyway? LOL Any other layer of protection must be a web service anyway. I know how the registry works today, and the reason behind the errors I deal with every day, and the MS help-desk fixes and workarounds, when/if there are fixes or workarounds for their own software. MS will fail if they keep going in this proprietary direction, it works for everything other than the race they are all trying to win, the cloud.


a registry or the linux variant of saving the information in a central folder are basically the same thing. every OS needs a central 'database' location. Welcome to the wonderfull world of OS's.

I just got to say that Google is crap. They banned my ad sense account when it was time to pay up few hundred dollars that I had. Their reason for banning me was "you showed inappropriate ads on your website" how can I show inappropriate ads when they provide me with a code that I just copy and paste into my website.

-=SEDIN=- said,
I just got to say that Google is crap. They banned my ad sense account when it was time to pay up few hundred dollars that I had. Their reason for banning me was "you showed inappropriate ads on your website" how can I show inappropriate ads when they provide me with a code that I just copy and paste into my website.

you failed to read TOS for google ads... you have others ads with explicit or innacceptable contents...

NesTle said,

you failed to read TOS for google ads... you have others ads with explicit or innacceptable contents...

Actually google ads was the only one I was using on my website. I used it on FrontPage and on my forums

-=SEDIN=- said,
I just got to say that Google is crap. They banned my ad sense account when it was time to pay up few hundred dollars that I had. Their reason for banning me was "you showed inappropriate ads on your website" how can I show inappropriate ads when they provide me with a code that I just copy and paste into my website.

Aw, I've seen this happen a lot. Anytime a payment level is reached, but isn't a 'huge' account, they get dumped with an excuse.

The reason they get away with this crap is it is like their 'privacy policies' and they can restrict and revise things at anytime with websites using their ads and/or ad providers.

So even if you conform to their rules, they will make up a new one, and not pay you.

Here is a hint. Google do KNOW evil...

Anyone that trusts Google is an idiot.

-=SEDIN=- said,
I just got to say that Google is crap. They banned my ad sense account when it was time to pay up few hundred dollars that I had. Their reason for banning me was "you showed inappropriate ads on your website" how can I show inappropriate ads when they provide me with a code that I just copy and paste into my website.

haha, i had exactly the same, im not abig player, so they do not care.
Some troll in my community i used to have, got banned for good reasons, he pretended to be a lawyer and contacted google adsense, paypall etc. and days later, my accounts at adsense and paypall where locked, losing hundreds of euro's.
and contacting them did not help, i even called their dutch offices for support on this. but no, they gotten a DMCA and DMCA > everything. even tho there was no legal basis behind that DMCA what so ever.

anyone can be taken down like this, hooray!

recursive said,

Up MS's A$$

they personaly said the changes to the data is stored and it cant be deleted, that emails u send are scaned, the moment u choose to use google programs ull have the same luck, G.Earth, G.Crome, G.+ and android devices, will be scaned and they will connect the dots to make a profile of the persons life and preferences, and the question is would u trust a company to handdle your personal information?
you may be supporting them now, but they will never support you back.

thealexweb said,

Huh? Google just blew most of their claims out of the water

Not really, they just repeated what they have over the years. Besides, what Google says and what they really do are more than not the same thing.

itylernallen said,

Besides, what Google says and what they really do are more than not the same thing.

Same thing could be said about any company.

techbeck said,

Same thing could be said about any company.


Yes, it is true that all companies say things and do something else, but I don't see any other major company that has large internet based services like Microsoft or Apple doing as many hat tricks as Google has been.

Google has been getting in trouble a lot about user privacy with the previous year. Seems the new year is just a repeat of last.

^ this.. It's all the same, MS is just jealous they are not getting paid as much in this single department while doing mostly the same exact thing.

itylernallen said,

Yes, it is true that all companies say things and do something else, but I don't see any other major company that has large internet based services like Microsoft or Apple doing as many hat tricks as Google has been.

Hat tricks? Their privacy policy/actions are not changing. Fail to see the tricks Google is playing here. They clearly stated what is going to happen and that you will still be able to control what happens to your data.

itylernallen said,

Not really, they just repeated what they have over the years. Besides, what Google says and what they really do are more than not the same thing.

where does google lies in the text?
no where you can edit your data delete them even optout of the ads tracking with a settings or a plugins

techbeck said,

Hat tricks? Their privacy policy/actions are not changing. Fail to see the tricks Google is playing here. They clearly stated what is going to happen and that you will still be able to control what happens to your data.

Yes, they say the user will still be able to control their data, but how many users even know how to clear this data and is it certain that this data is actually deleted for good? No. Everything you do online stays there. Unless you virtually burn the HDD.

All I am saying is that they have said things in the past and they were busted for lying, many times. I just do not take anything they say seriously, or from any company of that matter regarding privacy.

itylernallen said,

Yes, they say the user will still be able to control their data, but how many users even know how to clear this data and is it certain that this data is actually deleted for good? No. Everything you do online stays there. Unless you virtually burn the HDD.

All I am saying is that they have said things in the past and they were busted for lying, many times. I just do not take anything they say seriously, or from any company of that matter regarding privacy.

I have no idea how many users know if this is possible or not. I do know that a lot of people do not read about the features and what the program can do and instead just use what they know. Whose fault is that? Not Googles...its the users ignorance at fault here. And are you certain that MS and Apple delete all their data for good as well?

justmike said,
^ this.. It's all the same, MS is just jealous they are not getting paid as much in this single department while doing mostly the same exact thing.

I've long felt that "they're just jealous" is one of the most damning things a person can say about their own credibility. It's an empty accusation, reminiscent of the sort of consolation one 14 year old girl offers another 14 year old girl when yet another 14 year old girl calls her fat. It's never been an actual insult or a valid observation, because it's inherently rooted in making people feel better about being criticized.

If it's really your go-to observation when it comes to the banter between Google and Microsoft, perhaps you should go back to the drawing board and refigure how you analyse the industry. At least, if you want to have opinions worth the attention of anyone who doesn't already agree with you.

Joshie said,

I've long felt that "they're just jealous" is one of the most damning things a person can say about their own credibility. It's an empty accusation, reminiscent of the sort of consolation one 14 year old girl offers another 14 year old girl when yet another 14 year old girl calls her fat. It's never been an actual insult or a valid observation, because it's inherently rooted in making people feel better about being criticized.

If it's really your go-to observation when it comes to the banter between Google and Microsoft, perhaps you should go back to the drawing board and refigure how you analyse the industry. At least, if you want to have opinions worth the attention of anyone who doesn't already agree with you.

Just stating an opinion, and I don't really care if anyone agrees with it. It's simply what I see dealing with MS reps/machines every day. Sorry if that "wording" bothers you. I do understand where your coming from, I just didn't have much time to elaborate. MS has this same exact thing in their EULA for all their products and services. They are simply spreading FUD, because big changes are coming and they have reason to worry. This is just another leg in the race to the cloud = internet = all your services are belong to us. How many more people in the business world will be using tablets in two years over PC's, and how will they share information? Those are the two big things in this leg of the race. Google is doing this from the outside in, and their current setup works. MS is not in the same boat, they have compatibility problems to deal with on existing proprietary drivers/software/services on many platforms that must work together in the business world today, and with existing web standards. Whereas Google simply needs to work with existing web standards. If MS went web only without proprietary end services, it could be used on any device that could achieve web standards (in a far faster way even if they are not paid millions to develop for it). Why the need for proprietary everything in the name of security? What's the track record with that mindset on differing operating systems over the past 15 years? MS SELLS SOFTWARE, if it becomes less profitable to sell software, then what? The amount of businesses using Google services is increasing, and Office is decreasing. Here is a nice chart showing where MS money comes from.

http://articles.businessinside.../2010-02-10/tech/29961217_1

Edited by justmike, Feb 1 2012, 11:24pm :

thealexweb said,

Huh? Google just blew most of their claims out of the water

Google's policies are basically, we will use your crap for this and this, and we promise to be an honorable holder of your information, with NO description of what this means and leaves the door wide open to do anything.

These policies are supposed to 'limit' what a company can do with your data, Google's is the opposite, as it leaves it open ended.

People are getting dumber.

justmike said,
^ this.. It's all the same, MS is just jealous they are not getting paid as much in this single department while doing mostly the same exact thing.

thats good your excited that google makes more money selling your information then microsoft does..

techbeck said,

Same thing could be said about any company.

Yeah, so let's just walk away and let the likes of Google, Facebook and Microsoft do anything they want to us. Let's give them all the power in the world.

Jebadiah said,

Yeah, so let's just walk away and let the likes of Google, Facebook and Microsoft do anything they want to us. Let's give them all the power in the world.

Who says they are doing anything malicious? Do you have proof? Does MS have proof against Google? If there is no proof, then its just all speculation and hearsay and people are talking out of their asses.

I am not saying there are no misdeeds going on, but I am not going to make a comment or accuse anyone either way unless there is proof of misdeeds.

techbeck said,

Prove it

How can Microsoft 'sell' something it has very little access to?

Microsoft pulls in data from a Bing and a few services...

Microsoft DOES NOT read, data mine, nor have the ability to read your email on their servers. Google does, admits they they do, and uses it as a 'selling' factor to companies purchasing advertising.

Microsoft DOES NOT read, data mine, nor have the ability to open your pictures, documents, or anything else that is in your inbox or stored on SkyDrive. Google does have the ability, discloses that they DO USE IT, and also call it a 'feature' when selling information or 'trend data' to clients, people purchasing ads, etc.

Microsoft's servers use a double encryption system, that is encrypted at the storage level, and again using the user's GUID. Which means a Microsoft employee can't even open your email if they wanted to, or open your pictures folder on SkyDrive if they wanted. At best they can 'queue' an automated 'reset of the account password or delete the account, etc, and these are sent into queue trees that have timed implementation. (Breaking into a Live/Hotmail account would take around 4 billion years using the fastest supercomputers we have today based on the encryption bit depth)

Google has been in the news many times when a person comes forward about a Google employee 'reading' their GVoice chats or emails, and then Google has to fire the employee when it becomes public. People that can't go public with it, Google says tough ****, our employees can look at what they want.

Go look up Google employee fired (Do a Bing Search)... You will find stories from child molesters reading chats and blackmailing teenagers to employees that spy on their friends and past lovers, etc... Then be sure to read the 'Google press release' on the employee firings, Google states that their employees/engineers have the ability to read people's data, and it is necessary to maintain their servers.

If Microsoft can lock things to be non-human accessible, why hasn't Google, and why does Google insist that everything must REMAIN human readable?

So who makes more money off your information?
Google...


Do they know who you are personally? Probably not, unless someone that works there knows you or drops your name into a database query, and reads what comes back. (At Microsoft, they can't query for your data, as they can't see anything but the encrypted bits that they can't decrypt.)


Google makes a lot of money off of using their 'trend' and 'forecasting' of the data, as they can query 10 million user's email accounts to see if ProductX is popular and being talked about, and either use that information for their side company investments, or sell that information to a company that is wonder how 'trendy' ProductX is. (This is beyond 'insider trading' and is more 'spying' but since the users 'permit' Google to use their data, it is legalized insider trading.)

Google even states they can use your Photos, Videos, Documents if they want, which means if they find a photo of you passed out drunk in your email, they can put in an advertising spot, or show it it anyone that 'wants to pay' to see it.


Google is slowly making Orwell's Big Brother look like a silly amateur in comparison to world trend forecasting, political power manipulation, etc.

Information is powerful, and that is their business collecting and obtaining information.

How many elected politicians do you know that have personal GMail accounts and probably mention things that are private that could be used to see how they are going to vote on a bill, change or support a bill or issue or even personal stuff that they could be blackmailed with? See how quickly selling this information and having access to it can be?

There are people HUNTED down and killed from data that Google has sold to governments and political factions in countries.


Yet, you want to argue that Microsoft make more money off of selling your Bing search trend infromation and advertising and is somehow the bad company.

Google is an information company. PERIOD. They acquire as much as possible to use and sell. PERIOD.


Microsoft is SO careful with the security of your data, even from themselves and possible rogue employees.

Google is the opposite, even freeing admitting they access, use, sell and share your stuff.

And still people that 'know better' are fans of Google, and run to sign up for GMail, Google+, Android, GDocs, and give away INFORMATION, which is worth far more than Gold.

Do you really think a huge project like Android that makes NO money for Google is just a 'noble' project to help humanity, or do you think the information that is stored on their GMail servers by the people using the phones is worth money to them, which they admit to 'trending/reading/accessing/data-mining'?


Wow, just wow.

People keep running to Google products til they control the entire world... I'm sure it will be a utopia under a Google One World Nation.

techbeck said,

Who says they are doing anything malicious? Do you have proof? Does MS have proof against Google? If there is no proof, then its just all speculation and hearsay and people are talking out of their asses.

I am not saying there are no misdeeds going on, but I am not going to make a comment or accuse anyone either way unless there is proof of misdeeds.

Yes there is proof... Google admits flat out what they do with your data, and how trend information from it is sold to others.

Do you really want any government to be able to buy information about what other countries and its own people are talking about, and how they favor or don't favor things that are mentioned in private emails? This is selling information that is also an exchange of power, and gets people killed when rebels in a country are found out by information in their GMail.

There are several stories of information Google has 'brokered' that has led to action against people and elimination of people that are hunted down. There are several political changes in African countries in the past year that are using Google information to find people that 'fled' by buying 'trend' information from Google. For these small countries without intelligence agencies, Google is their CIA.

You want actual stories or proof, Bing them, you can find them. Data provided from Google led to...

I asked for proof, not biased comments against Google and comments for MS that praise them like some kind of God. And no, I will no go do the searching for you as I am the one that asked for proof...sources.

But anyway. I am not worried any way. If Google operated like this, then government agencies would get involved and Google would be headline news everyday. This is just another case of one company bashing another, the other company responds, and people taking sides.

I use both Google and MS products every day and again, I am not worried one bit. I like them both.

Edited by techbeck, Feb 2 2012, 8:06pm :

techbeck said,

Who says they are doing anything malicious? Do you have proof? Does MS have proof against Google? If there is no proof, then its just all speculation and hearsay and people are talking out of their asses.

I am not saying there are no misdeeds going on, but I am not going to make a comment or accuse anyone either way unless there is proof of misdeeds.

You really lack reading comprehension skills. And you choose to put words into my mouth like an idiot.