Google is dropping Exchange ActiveSync support for Gmail, hates being friendly

Over the past couple of years or so, Google has used its official blog to announce the shutdown of its number of products, services and features, including an announcement last August. Today, the company used its blog to once again reveal that a number of its products will soon be closed down.

The blog states that starting on January 30 "consumers won't be able to set up new devices using Google Sync" although current Google Sync accounts will continue to work. Google Sync was previously set up so people that used Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync could access Google Mail, Calendar and Contacts. Google said, "With the recent launch of CardDAV, Google now offers similar access via IMAP, CalDAV and CardDAV, making it possible to build a seamless sync experience using open protocols."

Google also announced that it will shut down several Calendar features, including Appointment Slots, on January 4, although previously set Appointment Slots will continue to work for a year. Google will also shut down Calendar Sync later today.

Google will close its Issue Tracker Data API on June 14. Finally, Google will shut down its Punchd Android iOS and Android app on June 7. The app allowed smartphone owners to keep punched loyalty cards on their smartphones. Google said, "We remained focused on developing products that help merchants and shoppers connect in new and useful ways."

Source: Official Google blog | Image via Google

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Google should support EAS, and MS should support CalDav and CardDav which do work well. Both are to blame, but Google will simply lose more in the end. The simple solution is to configure your Outlook.com account to access your Gmail Account for mail, contacts and calendar and sync to you WP device. I did that tonight so I can send and receive from Outlook.com as if I am sending it from my long established @gmail address.

We all know Google is great at throwing ****y fits at Apple over not approving apps or litigating their OEM's rather than taking on Google itself, but NOW that Google is playing the same school yard games, well its time to call it like it is. Hello FTC, DOJ, anybody watching?

Reminds me of some other company that used open source but added all changes in a closed environment to make some money with it.

Blocking the Exchange access is a wrong move too, remember that Google Business isn't for free, and a lot of companies use it together with their exchange servers, it's those that Google actually screws over, hopefully MS is quick to implement the needed protocols to regain access.

...yet

Once Google have there own product to rival the features (so synce contacts and calendar properly etc etc) then they'll start trying to move the paying organisations away from it.

I think what we are starting to see here is the major players starting to show their hands. It isn't just about device sales or software sales anyway. These major companies have realised that if they lock you into an ecosystem provided by them then you will continue to buy anything they release as it will fit nicely.

It's amusing because it is something M$ and Apple have done for a while (Apple more so)

But even the once under dogs or the 'supporters' of open source are starting to create ecosystems..

and before anybody replies with IMAP is open etc etc that isn't the point of the move. The point of the move is to remove a protocol from a direct competitors ecosystem from functioning in theres. simple. The less you 'things' work with other people 'things' then the less people will buy from others, providing your 'stuff' continues to server everything the user requires....

I agree 100%. As soon as I read this I removed all Google software from all my computers and phones. They just made me realise I don't need them anymore. Of course I never could trust them anyway, so this is par for the course. And China still isn't a big market, is it?

Sounds silly but I have even stopped using them for search for the most part.

No it isn't, though I'm not really sure about China.. the 'walled garden' approach may not work at all there as the Government would prefer to control the 'walled garden' themselves..

why? people use a service provided by Google. Google stops service.
People get upset, very simple.

When MS would do this, te planet would be a too small a place. With Google we should just 'get over it..."

You're jsut being silly..... or trolling...

Dutchie64 said,
why? people use a service provided by Google. Google stops service.
People get upset, very simple.

When MS would do this, te planet would be a too small a place. With Google we should just 'get over it..."

You're jsut being silly..... or trolling...

They didn't stop a service... get your facts right. They changed protocols. Microsoft can change too. Technology moves forward. Adobe is killing Flash slowly to move to an open protocol, HTML5. Protocols being open and free is good for technology.

They've changed to an inferior protocol.

IMAP is **** compared to EAS for email. It's going to force people onto the gmail app in iOS, instead of using the native client, and it's going to make WP and BB suck for accessing gmail.

and i dont see how that improved html5 adoption.... maybe less site with multimedia content...

Killing flash was bad and doing this its bad too, technology its to use the best sometimes, unless open technology its better dropping standards its just wrong and the only one that will suffer its the consumers in general

If drama could power smartphones, you people would never need to find a power outlet. What a bunch of whining ninnies!

fuzi0719 said,
If drama could power smartphones, you people would never need to find a power outlet. What a bunch of whining ninnies!

Well said. I was going to say it, but couldn't have worded so well.

Soo.....

Does anybody know of a Thunderbird/Lightning addon for a bi-directional link to Hotmail/Live Calender & Contacts?

I'm happy to dump Google as I only really use it on my WP7 for syncing contacts and the calender from within Thunderbird/Lightning.
I never found a proper working solution for this with hotmail/live/outlook.com, but with outlook.com really taking off now, there might be something there.

Seketh said,
Solution: Move from Gmail to the superior Outlook. Problem solved.

Looks like Google are asking people to move away from their services.
I have my calendar synced across phones and computers, but will be moving over to using another service now.

mrbaba said,

Looks like Google are asking people to move away from their services.
I have my calendar synced across phones and computers, but will be moving over to using another service now.

I might just do this also. I used to like Google a lot, but with the number of changes their making, it worries me that the general consumer will be the next to take a hit as they move to rearrange their business models and how everything functions.

Meanwhile, Microsoft seems to be doing all they can as they strive to regain popularity. Many good things have come out of that too.

glad i don't have gmail account F google
outlook all the way more reasons to stop using gmail if you have windows phone or windows 8 tablet

I'm wanting to know when my iGoogle home page is gonna be taken away
I heard before I thought it was suppose to be sometime in 2013 ?
I mentioned this on facebook and an Aunt of mine told me she heard google was
going to start charging money for that service but she is not a tech nerd or anything lol
I still need to be prepared for when they kill that off and I'm not

Funny how the MS fanboys whine when Google removes a feature but are totally cool with MS doing the same. They even attack the users who complain about features in Msft's half-baked products.

I really couldn't give a **** what google removes, Everything google does is half assed and they just sit back and receive tons of cash from you morons for advertising.

MsftGaurav said,
Funny how the MS fanboys whine when Google removes a feature but are totally cool with MS doing the same. They even attack the users who complain about features in Msft's half-baked products.

When were people cool when MS removed features? Many are up in arms regarding dropped features. Have you heard of a MS software called Windows 8?

You know there is a lot of hate on Google bay a lot of people on this site over this news. Yet they don't use Google. Yikes, sounds like a bunch of cry babies to me because their platform is getting no love from Google.

To sum it up for you people, Android is huge. If you want the perks that is associated with Google, get an Android device. Otherwise be happy with what you have. It is a strategic business move. There is no reason for Google to waste money on iOS or Microsoft. If you are on iOS, just use the Gmail app and you'll be fine. If you are on Windows Phone, if the OS becomes popular (meaning at least break double digit market share) maybe they will develop a Gmail app. But if you are hating on Google because for what ever small minded reason you may have; and you don't use their services, move along. You are not contributing anything of value by your immature posts. They're just pathetic really. Grow up.

DoomsDayMayan said,
You know there is a lot of hate on Google bay a lot of people on this site over this news. Yet they don't use Google. Yikes, sounds like a bunch of cry babies to me because their platform is getting no love from Google.

To sum it up for you people, Android is huge. If you want the perks that is associated with Google, get an Android device. Otherwise be happy with what you have. It is a strategic business move. There is no reason for Google to waste money on iOS or Microsoft. If you are on iOS, just use the Gmail app and you'll be fine. If you are on Windows Phone, if the OS becomes popular (meaning at least break double digit market share) maybe they will develop a Gmail app. But if you are hating on Google because for what ever small minded reason you may have; and you don't use their services, move along. You are not contributing anything of value by your immature posts. They're just pathetic really. Grow up.

Use the Force, Feel the Hate. You do it well.

Blackberry and Nokia were huge once too, Just because they are on top right now does not guarantee anything especially with the stupid moves they are making. My main point is though and has always been why the **** would you use anything to do with google.

DoomsDayMayan said,
You know there is a lot of hate on Google bay a lot of people on this site over this news. Yet they don't use Google. Yikes, sounds like a bunch of cry babies to me because their platform is getting no love from Google.

To sum it up for you people, Android is huge. If you want the perks that is associated with Google, get an Android device. Otherwise be happy with what you have. It is a strategic business move. There is no reason for Google to waste money on iOS or Microsoft. If you are on iOS, just use the Gmail app and you'll be fine. If you are on Windows Phone, if the OS becomes popular (meaning at least break double digit market share) maybe they will develop a Gmail app. But if you are hating on Google because for what ever small minded reason you may have; and you don't use their services, move along. You are not contributing anything of value by your immature posts. They're just pathetic really. Grow up.

No, I, personally, don't like their do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do practices.
They preach freedom but then cut popular features from their products and refuse to support their services on competing platforms.

eddman said,

No, I, personally, don't like their do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do practices.
They preach freedom but then cut popular features from their products and refuse to support their services on competing platforms.

Then do what as OP said..don't use any Google product and move along..no need to be cry baby

digitheatre said,

Then do what as OP said..don't use any Google product and move along..no need to be cry baby

I do use their map and earth service.
As for gmail, why should I not say anything?! They made a bad move and I'll criticize them.

Just because the software they use (android and chrome) is open source does NOT mean Google are open source, seems to me they are trying to run a very closed system plus they are afraid of Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8. Microsoft should just say FU for the final time with Google and not have any MS product support their OS's.

Google said, "We remained focused on developing products that help merchants and shoppers connect in new and useful ways."

Yup, from a company that once wanted to help people and other people connect in new and usefull ways.
They now only care about money -.- they even state it publicly.

Thank god they care about Money. This isn't a non-for profit company. They have a little thing called investors and they are publicly traded in this thing called a stock market. When you reach adult hood, you will learn all about this. For now, have a merry Christmas. Hope Santa brings you lots of gifts. Goodnight little one.

Marcus16 said,
"hates being friendly" really?

yes, I didn't see that in the article, I think it was ad-lib by the neowin 'writer.'

Well, at least it is pretty easy to change emails. Google does offer pretty good rules. Could just forward all your emails to outlook.com, which will allow active sync and push.

I am sure Google didn't like paying the licensing fee, but this is pretty bad for consumers. They are pretty confident though. I wonder how many users are using activesync now?

Both outlook.com and gmail can also retrieve mail from another provider via POP3. So just setup the Gmail POP3 settings in outlook.com and your gmail will be delivered right into your Hotmail/Live/Outlook.com inbox.

techfreak said,
Both outlook.com and gmail can also retrieve mail from another provider via POP3. So just setup the Gmail POP3 settings in outlook.com and your gmail will be delivered right into your Hotmail/Live/Outlook.com inbox.

This is bad advice, POP3 checks have a delay, better off setting a forward from within Gmail so it forwards instantly

IMAP, CArdDAV and CalDAV. Three separate standards to achieve what one protocol provides. EAS is an industry standard because its the best technology. What this means is that unless Android is used, Google services can only be accessed via a web browser (a quick search shows that no popular software supports either CArdDAV and CalDAV). While Microsoft is trying to be as opened as possible, Google is going the other way. Gmail will also suck on WP8. So long Gmail. We've been scroogled, folks!!

Really? It's Google screwing you? If Microsoft is so open as people make it be they have the easy way out... implement open protocols on their clients. Protocols should always be open. There is a reason why ITU and other organisations "control" most of the telecommunications protocols... so they remain open and wide accessibly without any major private company owning them and restricting them.

Private companies should focus on their services and not the protocols.

Feature is FOSS.

If Microsoft changes anything, or locks you into something, it's the best thing since sliced bread. Google changes something to support open standards, and people have a cow. Nice priorities. No surprise this world is going to crash.

farmeunit said,
If Microsoft changes anything, or locks you into something, it's the best thing since sliced bread. Google changes something to support open standards, and people have a cow. Nice priorities. No surprise this world is going to crash.

No but unfortunally for you and other MS haters, MS usually offers the best approach/technique/standard.

You do know for example, it was Microsoft pushing W3 HTML standards in the first browser war right?
And that many of the nowadays standard approved HTML by W3, come from MS. And that many of todays HTML5 implementations where already implemented (in a way) in IE6. (even before) and not Netscape/Opera/Sun as they wanted you to think.
But hey its M$ so it has to be bad and hated!?!?! (you do realize you're just bandwagoning with that attitude right? )

Now Google is replacing 1 proper protocol, which works as it should, does all required mail functions... with 3 protocols, which together don't even come close to the functionality that comes with EAS.

Whoopwhoop, cheerio, enjoy a degradation just because Google is mad at MS.

He's right..
M$ haters ?
Nope i use M$ products and services 24/7 indefinitely !
I enjoy the vast majority of the stuff they do but i am critical about a few specific things like the new changes on Windows 8.
So I consider myself a fan of Microsoft actually lol

And your wide sweeping assumptions are baseless and your attitude is foul.
All i see and hear is someone jumping to conclusions about another and then proceeding to to treat them badly accordingly..

Being objective ? Trying at least ?
My Mother has ****ed me off many times in the past.. does that mean i hate my Parents ?
lol gimme a break

Just to confirm if you actually read the statement this does NOT affect GOOGLE APPS Business/Education customers at all.

If you use Gmail/Google Apps FREE, then this will keep working for existing devices and new devices you add until January 30, after this existing devices keep working but can't add new ones. If you have a new device after this date, it can be set up natively in iOS under 'Gmail' which uses IMAP, and 'Other' as a CardDAV (I just tried it out, the settings are easy), the only problem is no PUSH support, need to use the Gmail app to do that.

They Google Calendar Sync which ends support immediately is referring to a standalone tool to do sync with outlook (separate from Google Apps Sync) I have only seen one person use it before and it was pretty primative. Ii believe that it still works if you still have the setup file already downloaded. I wish there was a way that regular Gmail/Google Apps Free users could enable business features just for their own account only. Gmail should also open up more Gmail domains for single users (without getting full blown Google Apps) because practically every variation of most names have been taken up by now making it hard for new sign ups.

so let me try to understand this

1- NO more push emails of gmail on any other smartphone that its not android unless you are using gmail app (in iOS case) but for blackberries and windows phone (which dont have native apps) if you set it up after January 30 2013.

2- Activesync its no dropped if: you have it already set up or have an android device

3- After January 30 2013 the only way for others smartphones to access gmail its fetch only IMAP.

SO instead of making a better service google now its cutting features here and there, first google apps now this.... way to go google.

eilegz said,
so let me try to understand this

1- NO more push emails of gmail on any other smartphone that its not android unless you are using gmail app (in iOS case) but for blackberries and windows phone (which dont have native apps) if you set it up after January 30 2013.

2- Activesync its no dropped if: you have it already set up or have an android device

3- After January 30 2013 the only way for others smartphones to access gmail its fetch only IMAP.

SO instead of making a better service google now its cutting features here and there, first google apps now this.... way to go google.


They are being cornered by Microsoft with Microsofts fight against Google (altho it started back in the times IE7 was released when MS started to corner Google)
Ah well, Google needs to be reborn, I love Google for what it was back in 2003-2004. When they where still following their ideals. And do hope Google will come back to their ideals some day, altho I doubt it.

And they're trying to break all ties and connections with Microsoft, and thus have to drop patents and techniques they've been using from MS to do so, which is very...very hard in our modern technological world due to the share amount of software patents MS possesses.

But let them try, stopped using Gmail a long time ago already, and stupid backfiring decisions like these will get more people to stop using Google services.

Bad move. I see they won't be disabling this for Google Apps users though. Wise move imo otherwise your alienating your paying businesses!

Irrelevant - desktop mail users can use Outlook (which has supported IMAP4 since 2007, and they kept it with both 2010 and 2013 - which is, incidentally, the first product other than Hotmail for desktops to support EAS (as far as Microsoft goes - only Hotmail and Outlook.com support EAS - Hosted Exchange supports either the Microsoft Exchange (MAPI) protocol or POP3).

Wow this sucks big time Activesync means it syncs not just my emails with push but also my calendars and contacts. I guess I will need to just switch fully to iCloud ready for when I next upgrade

It's not. But since I have a Nexus (which is an Android Phone) I don't need to have Outlook. I am very productive with my Gmail on my Android phone. Is that clear enough for you? Geesh!

I'm a little confused , will Calendar sync cease to work on Android devices ( other than paid Google Apps users ) or is it just a cross platform thing ?

seanseany said,
I'm a little confused , will Calendar sync cease to work on Android devices ( other than paid Google Apps users ) or is it just a cross platform thing ?

Man, I hope this isnt the case. I use calendar Sync in my Android ALOT.

seanseany said,
I'm a little confused , will Calendar sync cease to work on Android devices ( other than paid Google Apps users ) or is it just a cross platform thing ?

I think the idea is you will have to use the gmail app to do this in the future for everything (assuming they would add the calendar to their apps)..... it's no coincidence they released new apps recently.

seanseany said,
I'm a little confused , will Calendar sync cease to work on Android devices ( other than paid Google Apps users ) or is it just a cross platform thing ?

It's mainly going to affect iOS users and the very little Windows Phone users. I say very little not to be insulting but Windows Phone is relatively small. And the small numbers they have, they have small minded people that use Google because they think it is the devil. This is based off the brilliant minds of this site of course.

DoomsDayMayan said,

It's mainly going to affect iOS users and the very little Windows Phone users. I say very little not to be insulting but Windows Phone is relatively small. And the small numbers they have, they have small minded people that use Google because they think it is the devil. This is based off the brilliant minds of this site of course.

Good job insulting people.

Again, if you read what I had to say, it wasn't an insult. I'm stating the truth. Microsoft's Windows Phone doesn't have a large Market Share. Second, a lot of people on this site are saying they don't use Google at all. Do you disagree with that?

Ok, but the poeple on this site are not the majority of WP buyers.
Just because WP currently has a small market share, doesn't mean google should drop one of the most popular email protocols.

No matter what, it was a very selfish and monopolistic move and it's the exact opposite of what they're preaching, "Don't be evil".

Why? They are a business. Why should Google have to pay Microsoft to use ActiveSync? Why can't Microsoft support the same standards that the two most popular platforms (Android and iOS) support? If anything, this is a smart move by Microsoft. Realistically, this only hurts Microsoft and the end user using Windows Phone 8. Google see's that as an acceptable loss. It is business. You don't see iOS users crying about this. They have a GMail app for iPhone that was reviewed pretty well.

My whole point about the Brilliant Minds was because people are complaining about Google's move and yet they say they don't use it. I'm sitting here scratching my head trying to figure that out.

And the Don't Be Evil quote is getting tired already. So because Microsoft charges you to use Windows 8 (for Manufacturers), are they evil? Google doesn't do that. Or perhaps, it is a business strategy.

If you don't like it, move on. You should be using Outlook on Windows Phone 8 anyway. It works well with it.

Again, just because some people are not using gmail or other google apps, doesn't mean it's the same for everyone.

How about normal non-techy people, which are actually the majoritry on any platform, who buy WP phones and use google services? There isn't even an official google map app for WP.

No matter how you spin it, google made a bad move, for customers.

P.S. The subject here is google, not MS. Microsoft is a monopolistic giant, yes, but apparently google is becoming much worse.

I did spin it any other way. In fact you hit the nail on the head. The non-techy person who sets up their email the first time with the carrier and it doesn't support Gmail. What do you think will happen? Since they're non-tech, they will just say I don't want that phone give me an Android or iPhone or in most cases something that works for me. Windows Phone lacks a lot of Google services. If you want it, you're better off with an Android or an iPhone. So smart move by Google. Bad move for the consumer that loves Gmail and or certain Google services, and Windows Phone because now they are stuck. Do they buy that Windows Phone and go without Google services and accept the lacking Ecosystem that Windows Phone 8 (for now) or go with a proven Platform (Android or iOS)?

So like I said before, with Google concerned, they see this as an acceptable loss for those that decide to stay with Microsoft and are now forced to switch to a different service or they can always pay (like they should be anyway).

Case and point, Microsoft didn't offer Zune Music service on my Android and or iPhone. Am I going to be a big baby and say Microsoft is evil? Or will I find a better plattform that is cross-platform? I chose Spotify. Because if I decide to use WP, iOS or Android, my Playlists are there. Bye bye Microsoft. I don't need your limited services that worked only on my Zune which was disconnected from the web.

I'm not here to convince you one way or the other. Believe that Google is evil. Believe in whatever you like. The world moves on. Google will still make their billions. Consumers choose what's best for them.

Funk you very much google. Never used gmail and now you gave me a reason not to start anyway. Outlook.com is fine for me.

Tweaky Nippleton said,
So. It has no effect on you whatsoever so you feel the need to troll and shill?
LOL. By his writing, I knew he wasn't ever going to use any Google products. He likes his Microsoft and tinfoil hat (looks like a dunce cap).

DoomsDayMayan said,
LOL. By his writing, I knew he wasn't ever going to use any Google products. He likes his Microsoft and tinfoil hat (looks like a dunce cap).

Grow the **** up.

DoomsDayMayan said,
LOL. By his writing, I knew he wasn't ever going to use any Google products. He likes his Microsoft and tinfoil hat (looks like a dunce cap).

That's right; I don't like google and never tried to hide it.
Yes, I'm frustrated. Why did they remove this feature? Was it really necessary to do? Not really.
It's webm all over again.

MS is no saint (no huge company is), but google has become far worse than any other.

P.S. I mainly use yahoo mail and just recently started using outlook.com.

Edited by eddman, Dec 15 2012, 7:03am :

Wow are they serious with that crap? Glad I barely use any of their services anymore, including Gmail (which all it does is forward mail at this point). This will also affect Windows Phone users as well as some Windows 8 users. Why all the hate Google? CalDav and CardDAV? Really?

Obry said,
Wow are they serious with that crap? Glad I barely use any of their services anymore, including Gmail (which all it does is forward mail at this point). This will also affect Windows Phone users as well as some Windows 8 users. Why all the hate Google? CalDav and CardDAV? Really?

Microsoft has been pushing Google into a corner lately with their market approach.
Google desperately wants to break free from anything tied to Microsoft, their hatred for MS is so large, its funny.
Ah well, from all the major technological companies, the only major threat to us all is Google.
But somehow by crazy magic, there are so countless many Google fanboys. And MS is still the most hated one

These kind of things like dropping a globally supported protocol, that every phone has, and every mailservice wants. So what its IP, it aint expensive as much, and indeed you _could_ go without. But no other mail service offers the functionality MS has with their Exchange technologies. And neither do these CalDAV and CardDav.

Ah well, Enjoy Google, I don't really care, my gmail address has been downgraded to a catchall email address years ago (when I found Live Domains from MS <3) when I was reading through the privacy policy of MS vs Google about their mail.

Hmm,

anonymized selected amount of data used in a global database.
versus
personalized data on you about everything you've ever done online free to look into by governments and ad companies (in other words, the Big Brother we have all been fearing for decades and always blamed MS of doing such)

Obry said,
Wow are they serious with that crap? Glad I barely use any of their services anymore, including Gmail (which all it does is forward mail at this point). This will also affect Windows Phone users as well as some Windows 8 users. Why all the hate Google? CalDav and CardDAV? Really?

The "hate" is due to competition since the day Google offered Android while Microsoft offered Windows Phone. Compare to Facebook cutting the ties to Instagram's Twitter support.

Google's plan here is for people to use Android instead of Windows Phone because Android will offer better apps. They are betting on Gmail being a stronger brand than Outlook.com. It's not rocket science.

Will this have any impact on users who use Exchange ActiveSync on their iPhone for Gmail push? There is no other way to setup Gmail on the iPhone for push email that I know of

thommcg said,
What, apart from the Gmail app?
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023...-push-notification-finally/
... The latest update out yesterday adds long-awaited support for push notifications. That means iPhone and iPad users can receive a notice each time a new message hits their Gmail inbox...

Stock mail app still has the advantage of always being "ready to go". This is Apple taking advantage of its home turf. Mail app opens, all your email is there waiting for you. Gmail opens, you have to pull down, wait for a refresh and then you get your mail. If Gmail hasn't been opened in awhile it is a long start time.

Once open and running, I find it to be a really nice email client. For me, that extra couple second wait for Gmail to be ready compared to the email just being ready to read in Mail app is all the difference I need to choose Mail app over GMail.

Probably the user experience is a lot better on newer hardware. But this has been my experience using an iPhone 4.

It's for new accounts only (for now) won't be given the support but with millions (likely) singing up annualy, this will quickly impact a lot of folks.

Also, won't surprise me when Google brings the ax on current users.

They say no "new devices" so when you upgrade your phone presumably you won't be able to add it.

The Gmail app will give you push notifications but it isn't the same, with ActiveSync the whole email was pushed to you. So if you check your email on the subway or out of signal the app won't have it but ActiveSync did.

Pretty big downgrade for any iPhone users. Really frustrating.

still1 said,
why are you using MS active sync when you can set it up with google account on your iphone?

Because then it would be fetch, not push.

still1 said,
why are you using MS active sync when you can set it up with google account on your iphone?

because it doesn't do contacts? it is just non-std Imap by gmail

Imap is non-standard? Leaving out numerous, random proprietary mail protocols, there are two STANDARD mail protocols going back to the mid 80s, pop and imap.

Ed Vim said,
Imap is non-standard? Leaving out numerous, random proprietary mail protocols, there are two STANDARD mail protocols going back to the mid 80s, pop and imap.

gmails's imap is some weird hack not imap in general.

BajiRav said,

gmails's imap is some weird hack not imap in general.

like you have seen the code for their imap implementation

IMAP has to be standard or else it wouldn't work properly. How they take the data from IMAP and make it work with their GMail service is obviously in a "non-standard" way because GMail doesn't have folders, it has labels.

BajiRav said,
looks like you did, eh?

I didnt say that their imap is standard or it is non standard. I dont know about that
but you claimed that their imap is non standard like you have seen it. I know how it fells gets burned. trying to come back

still1 said,

I didnt say that their imap is standard or it is non standard. I dont know about that
but you claimed that their imap is non standard like you have seen it. I know how it fells gets burned. trying to come back

As of a few years ago, their implementation was crap.

http://weblog.timaltman.com/ar...s-buggy-imap-implementation

Microsoft actually detects gmail and falls into a quirks mode with their clients to get around some of the bugs.

ActiveSync is a closed propriety Microsoft protocol. Google are replacing its use with other open protocols (IMAP, CalDAV and CardDAV).

Things sometimes change, and in this case for the better IMHO.

Cryton said,
ActiveSync is a closed propriety Microsoft protocol. Google are replacing its use with other open protocols (IMAP, CalDAV and CardDAV).

Things sometimes change, and in this case for the better IMHO.


Yeah, it's so cool to break existing functionality just because the current protocol is made by a company that mainly does proprietary software.

Looking for "exchange activesync spec" on Google returns a complete spec hosted on MSDN as the first result.

you know EAS works on pretty much every device in the world, so dropping it is retarded. IMAP is not as good. there is a reason everyone uses EAS. it's damn good. this is another lame move by google.

Aethec said,

Yeah, it's so cool to break existing functionality just because the current protocol is made by a company that mainly does proprietary software.

Looking for "exchange activesync spec" on Google returns a complete spec hosted on MSDN as the first result.


Sure, it does today. And it probably will tomorrow. But long term, who knows what will happen? Who knows what disputes Google and MS will have in the future? Who knows how two big tech companies will retaliate against each other if they fall out.

Why would company A want to keep using company B's technology when they could use an open and publicly owned technology to achieve the same result? Every day these companies get bigger and the stakes get higher and if you can stop having to rely on your competitor's technology then that's what you should do.

Eventually ActiveSync will die and be replaced with a bunch of open protocols that no one company owns. Companies should make money from providing services that people want, not owning protocols that people need.

I'm sorry but your completely typical anti-MS "what if" proprietary paranoia is simply not good enough to justify this move. It's almost as ridiculous as those who keep thinking openness by itself solves every problem in the world.

How will an "open" IMAP provide a better product when in day-to-day use it sucks @ss from a straw, seriously? Or do you feel better merely because it's oooooopen? I'm sorry but it's not enough for me.

To begin with, users are not affected. For them it won't change the end user experience AT ALL if the underlying stuff is open or not. It may only be a burden for 3rd party competitors - and obviously THIS is the motivation on the Google side, not your zealous openness panic. They simply want to give MS a big F U.

Sorry if I came off as anti-MS - I'm really not. I'm against companies owning protocols and technologies that the internet relies upon. My point of view has nothing to do with paranoia; internet infrastructure and internet protocols shouldn't be in the position to be held hostage or used as a bargaining chip by any commercial company - there's absolutely no reason for them to be.

Openness keeps The Game fair. You can make your money from the services you supply, but not the infrastructure used to move my data between the companies I choose to trust it with. That kind of thing is better served by open standards that everyone has a say in and everyone agrees to.

Then anyone can talk to anyone else, and the money is made on the services a company provides, not the fact that it controls a protocol that everyone needs to use.

(I really don't understand why you think Google dropping Active Sync support is giving "MS a big F U".. surely it's Google shooting themselves in the foot by forcing users to use IMAP technology that "sucks @ass from a straw"?)

Cryton said,
Openness keeps The Game fair. You can make your money from the services you supply, but not the infrastructure used to move my data between the companies I choose to trust it with. That kind of thing is better served by open standards that everyone has a say in and everyone agrees to.

The spec is easy to find and clear. No, it's not 'open' or whatever, but its in MS's best interest to keep it available because the more people implementing its technology the more products work with Microsoft software (as well as each other).

So Google is the, "d**ks" in this? Really? It's phasing out support for a closed, proprietary system in favor of a more compatible, robust set of protocols based on open standards. Fanboyism is a strong motivator I guess.

Ed Vim said,
So Google is the, "d**ks" in this? Really? It's phasing out support for a closed, proprietary system in favor of a more compatible, robust set of protocols based on open standards. Fanboyism is a strong motivator I guess.

When Google controls the protocols for many of their services, and pick and choose who gets to use those services and protocols, do you complain then? For example, Google has refused to give Microsoft a license to their protocols for YouTube, then Google says that they are going to ignore WP and Win8. So there is no real YouTube app for WP7/8.

Do you think that Google is being a "d**k" or do you think that "Do no evil" mantra is true?

Cryton said,
Sorry if I came off as anti-MS - I'm really not. I'm against companies owning protocols and technologies that the internet relies upon. My point of view has nothing to do with paranoia; internet infrastructure and internet protocols shouldn't be in the position to be held hostage or used as a bargaining chip by any commercial company - there's absolutely no reason for them to be.

Openness keeps The Game fair. You can make your money from the services you supply, but not the infrastructure used to move my data between the companies I choose to trust it with. That kind of thing is better served by open standards that everyone has a say in and everyone agrees to.

Then anyone can talk to anyone else, and the money is made on the services a company provides, not the fact that it controls a protocol that everyone needs to use.

(I really don't understand why you think Google dropping Active Sync support is giving "MS a big F U".. surely it's Google shooting themselves in the foot by forcing users to use IMAP technology that "sucks @ass from a straw"?)


You're against companies that keep sh*t closed source that should be public domain.
You do know Microsoft shares loads and loads of their IP for free, without a judge or patent crier demanding MS to do so.
MS shares a big load of their techniques and researches to the world, for free.

Google on the other hand however, keep more closed source and within their IP, then MS does, ever has done or ever will do.

Openness does not make the game fair. There are major problems with OSS that MS prodcuts do not have. (like often, the lack of a general direction of the product)

And 'everyone' can read the source, know how it works.
In a perfect world this would indeed work. However with the major pricks mankind has. This is just a fantasy. And exploits found by topnotch hackers, are not reported to the bugtracker of the software. And stay in there for ages.

Or what happened allot with packages for Debian that where either rewritten or completely denied. Due to friendly OSS programmers designing backdoors into their software.
There are tons of reason why to pick closed software over open software.

But enjoy, this is just Google trying to stick it up to Microsoft. Not their love for OSS.
Google uses OSS only for marketing. While they themselves, have been gathering IP all over the world for a decade now, without sharing them. Keeping them, or licensing them.
Where MS has tons and tons of IP free to use for everyone from their own research labs (unlike Google, which bought almost everything it currently has)

Also, guess what mail protocol I have been using for GMail since Outlook added support for it? IMAP4 - not EAS (added in Outlook 2007). Exchange ActiveSync is, in fact, *new* to Outlook with 2013, so Google isn't even screwing most GMail users that use Outlook.

Aethec said,

Yeah, it's so cool to break existing functionality just because the current protocol is made by a company that mainly does proprietary software.

LOL at "Break"

Starting January 30, 2013, consumers won't be able to set up new devices using Google Sync; however, existing Google Sync connections will continue to function. Google Sync will continue to be fully supported for Google Apps for Business, Government and Education. Users of those products are unaffected by this announcement.

Shadowzz said,

You're against companies that keep sh*t closed source that should be public domain.
You do know Microsoft shares loads and loads of their IP for free, without a judge or patent crier demanding MS to do so.
MS shares a big load of their techniques and researches to the world, for free.

Google on the other hand however, keep more closed source and within their IP, then MS does, ever has done or ever will do.

Openness does not make the game fair. There are major problems with OSS that MS prodcuts do not have. (like often, the lack of a general direction of the product)

And 'everyone' can read the source, know how it works.
In a perfect world this would indeed work. However with the major pricks mankind has. This is just a fantasy. And exploits found by topnotch hackers, are not reported to the bugtracker of the software. And stay in there for ages.

Or what happened allot with packages for Debian that where either rewritten or completely denied. Due to friendly OSS programmers designing backdoors into their software.
There are tons of reason why to pick closed software over open software.

But enjoy, this is just Google trying to stick it up to Microsoft. Not their love for OSS.
Google uses OSS only for marketing. While they themselves, have been gathering IP all over the world for a decade now, without sharing them. Keeping them, or licensing them.
Where MS has tons and tons of IP free to use for everyone from their own research labs (unlike Google, which bought almost everything it currently has)

my google search for the keywords "google code" beg to differ with you lol
guess what URL is at teh top of the list ?
code.google.com

try again ?

sweatshopking said,
you know EAS works on pretty much every device in the world, so dropping it is retarded.
A bold and untruthful claim. EAS doesn't work on my devices. IMAP however does.

What's with all the indignant rage? The new Gmail app supports PUSH and it is pretty nice. And you can easily configure CalDAV and CardDAV in iOS.

tiagosilva29 said,
A bold and untruthful claim. EAS doesn't work on my devices. IMAP however does.

You don't own an Android, Windows Phone, iPhone or Blackberry? Because they all support EAS.

Noble arguments, Cryton.
Search is used by almost every internet user.

So would Google be willing to publish and share its search algorithms (page rank) for the benefit of the internet?