Google now more valuable than Microsoft

In the world of business, and especially in the world of publicly traded companies, bigger is (almost) always seen as better. Today, a company that launched as "just" a search website has now become larger, in terms of its market capitalization value, than a company that is much older.

The New York Times reports that, at the end of stock market trading today, Google's market value was set at $248.8 billion. That puts it ahead of Microsoft for the first time, which ended trading today with a market value of $246.9 billion. Neither Microsoft nor Google commented on this milestone.

The change means that Google is now the second biggest technology company in the world, in terms of its market value. However, it is also a distant second; Apple is the world's largest tech company with a total stock market value of $623 billion.

Many financial analysts see this development as an indication of Google's business plan, which concentrates on online services and products, as the best model. However, Microsoft has been slowly moving in that online services direction for some time, competing directly with Google with products such as Office 365, Windows Azure, and more. The launch of Windows 8 later this month, and Office 2013 in early 2013, will be Microsoft's big push into showing it is still relevant in the current technology and Internet age.

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Shrug. That'll happen when investors spend ten years bidding up one stock and leaving another flat.

AtriusNY said,
Not any more. Microsoft is now more valuable.

Shares go up and down from day to day, it's the trend that's important, Google is expected to rise strongly over the next 12 months, MS will probably continue it's flat-lining.

to be honest i'm not an apple fan but after an hour ios6 was on 10% of the devices... ICS achieved this after what, 4 months?
google has it's fingers in everything, yes - especially massive amounts of malware wich WILL cause a security meltdown on the android platform as high percent of it's share consists of cheap crap devices that has no chance of upgrading and warez thrives on them like fungus; we only need a few bigger incidents (and don't worry the concurrent companies will make sure they'll get their 15 minute fame) and the android-bubble will burst

is there any other significant product at google? chrome os is a waste of code, googletv is almost dead, g+ has no market shaping properties at all, google maps got ditched by their biggest mobile customer (yes, ios users generate more mobile net use than android), chrome is getting market share by preloading sites the user never visits; they loose on almost every legal front and day by day new ones open, soon they'll be forced to re-write the whole frankenstein called android

so keep on laughing mate but i'm pretty sure android will go the way of the symbian - you know, you are what you eat and android DID ate up symbian's market share :-D

Karanlos said,
By that logic WP would fail aswell

if you refer to BB that's a small portion of the 'available' market share - the mobile market is (yet) a constantly expanding market so there's no shortage of new customers - don't think ANY of the existing competitors gonna start eating up significant portions of the others' share rather we'll see the slowdown/stagnation/speedup/boom of market share

morden said,
to be honest i'm not an apple fan but after an hour ios6 was on 10% of the devices... ICS achieved this after what, 4 months?
google has it's fingers in everything, yes - especially massive amounts of malware wich WILL cause a security meltdown on the android platform as high percent of it's share consists of cheap crap devices that has no chance of upgrading and warez thrives on them like fungus; we only need a few bigger incidents (and don't worry the concurrent companies will make sure they'll get their 15 minute fame) and the android-bubble will burst

is there any other significant product at google? chrome os is a waste of code, googletv is almost dead, g+ has no market shaping properties at all, google maps got ditched by their biggest mobile customer (yes, ios users generate more mobile net use than android), chrome is getting market share by preloading sites the user never visits; they loose on almost every legal front and day by day new ones open, soon they'll be forced to re-write the whole frankenstein called android

so keep on laughing mate but i'm pretty sure android will go the way of the symbian - you know, you are what you eat and android DID ate up symbian's market share :-D

What are load of absolute rubbish, most of that was just lies, your own personal opinion and general hatred to Google just because it's fun to hate Google on this forum.

It wont be to long before Google becomes the #1 business company in the world.. Apple don't got ****!!

Just a matter of time, They can sue as many people as they like, they have no ****en chance in the world!

GG:Google FTW!

Regards,
Atari

P.s Get rid of these apple losers once and for all!

Atari.2600 said,
It wont be to long before Google becomes the #1 business company in the world.. Apple don't got ****!!

Just a matter of time, They can sue as many people as they like, they have no ****en chance in the world!

GG:Google FTW!

Regards,
Atari

P.s Get rid of these apple losers once and for all!

i do hope this copycat thief of a company gets the federal treatment as soon as possible... google is ripe for some splicing up
go on all the law divisions of the world just kill off that sucker!

morden said,

i do hope this copycat thief of a company gets the federal treatment as soon as possible... google is ripe for some splicing up
go on all the law divisions of the world just kill off that sucker!

We have already taken over the smart phone section, They don't have a hope in hell.. How many smart phones use Google's android operating system? Google have there finger in everything, Its just a matter in time.. Keep cheering for apple, Its a long way down!
Bahahahahahaha

Maybe cause MS is hooked on this tablet BS which will fade into the distance... Nerds can like 4" screens all they want but most people want real PC's.. People just can not get real work done on some BS phone or a "tablet" which is a phone with a bigger screen. Like Windows 8.. It will go down as the biggest flop in tech history. Does not take a clerk at Wal-Mart to see the fail in that POS.. Mark my words.

Edited by Jason_Coffey, Oct 2 2012, 2:28am :

jasonon said,
good work google. just wait till windows phone 8 wipes out android
I know right! When the Window Phone 8 releases everyone who has a popular android phone like the Samsung Galaxy will just drop their phone for a Nokia Windows 8 phone that has only 1% of the popular apps and customizations android has.

jasonon said,
good work google. just wait till windows phone 8 wipes out android

I bet you also said how wp7 would be so much better than andoid, and look where it stands now..

sulika said,

I bet you also said how wp7 would be so much better than andoid, and look where it stands now..

i still think it's so much better than android

jasonon said,
good work google. just wait till windows phone 8 wipes out android

The story of WP's life, waiting...just wait for copy & paste, just wait until 7.5, just wait for Nokia, just wait for 7.8, just until WP8.....lol still do not see ANYONE with a WP device ever anywhere

Sonne said,

The story of WP's life, waiting...just wait for copy & paste, just wait until 7.5, just wait for Nokia, just wait for 7.8, just until WP8.....lol still do not see ANYONE with a WP device ever anywhere

and what do droid users wait for? an official update, an unofficial update, android police...
and it' quite fun how droid fanboys embraced the bullcrap about quantity of phones, i remember back in 2009 and 2010 when android was as promising as googletv all droid users bashed the "isheep" and said quantity does not equals quality; android has the quantity, yes, but quality? only a few selected device, the rest is just low-priced crap that barely deserve the "smartphone" title

Edited by deleted_acc, Oct 2 2012, 1:35pm :

If the markets saw Microsoft like some of you here then there would be no issue. The problem is that the MS share price has gone nowhere for a very long time. A few hard core MS fans won't make the company as successful as others. MS must truly innovate and break away with something new and exciting and they have not done that.

Share price isn't the end of the story. MS' share is extremely stable and gives guaranteed returns from dividends. Apple for many many many years never paid any dividend to their shareholders.

MS dominates in almost every market they compete in. Yes Windows Phone isn't as successful as the others yet and Bing is nowhere near Google but it still holds a commendable percentage of users. Their other products, Windows, Office, Exchange, Live, 360 etc etc all dominate and they have some of the most valuable RnD departments and patents in the tech world. Apple gets all it's profits from 2 devices (the iPad and the iPhone) and Android has been slowly destroying their domination in that area and with Steve Jobs gone it seems Apple can't seem to keep up the "wow" factor that their devices once had. What happens when Apple can no longer wow people and their iPhone / iPad sales start slowing / dropping? It's stock price is going to drop like hell. Whereas if MS loses it's domination with the 360 (say), they have plenty of other products that dominate.

Why do people take these out of context. These are values to investors who want a return on their investment. Microsoft isn't going to grow much because it dominates in it's profitable markets thus won't give investors a big return compared to Apple or Google. In the real world Microsoft is the most valuable tech company.

Gaffney said,
Why do people take these out of context. These are values to investors who want a return on their investment. Microsoft isn't going to grow much because it dominates in it's profitable markets thus won't give investors a big return compared to Apple or Google. In the real world Microsoft is the most valuable tech company.

In the real world... Your real world? That only matters to you.

derekaw said,
In the real world... Your real world? That only matters to you.

Microsoft controls 90%+ of the consumer OS market. They control a massive percentage of the government / business / corporate / enterprise OS markets too. Their online services (windows live / skydrive etc) accounts for over 400 million people. They own some of the most valuable patents in the tech industry. They dominate in the game console market with the 360. They dominate in the mail services market with Exchange. They dominate in office suites. They have one of the largest RnD divisions of any tech company.

What does Google have? Pretty much just advertising (all their other services are just a way for them to advertise and earn money). Google search is dominant but for years now Bing has been eating away at their share (last results had Bing at 15% or something).

For two decades now MS has paid dividends on their stock, so it doesn't matter that their share price doesn't increase. It's a stable share with guaranteed returns and to some investors that's much better than a volatile share.

-Razorfold said,

For two decades now MS has paid dividends on their stock, so it doesn't matter that their share price doesn't increase. It's a stable share with guaranteed returns and to some investors that's much better than a volatile share.

Really? interesting theory; unfortunately if people want dividends and do not care for share price increase they buy bonds not stocks.
BTW I am a MS shareholder and as such I always read very thoroughly their financial reports.

-Razorfold said,

They dominate in the game console market with the 360.

Being the second most sold console with only a couple of million to the third and selling less than the third atm. make them dominating?

Microsoft has been focusing on other stuff than gaming but why should I but an Xbox when i can get something that records TV shows plays netflix, hbo etc etc for less money than an Xbox?
Even Smart TV's have apps from Netflix, HBO, Youtube etc. When you're not in the US area Xbox Live isn't really worth the money.
Also Bing? Worldwide it has way less than 15%, Google really has no comptition there.

Karanlos said,

When you're not in the US area Xbox Live isn't really worth the money.

Wow.

a) How would you know, you don't have it
b) Have fun on the fukin PSN mate
c) Everything else you said was a joke

Karanlos said,

When you're not in the US area Xbox Live isn't really worth the money.

Wow.

a) How would you know, you don't have it
b) Have fun on the fukin PSN mate
c) Everything else you said was a joke

Fritzly said,

Really? interesting theory; unfortunately if people want dividends and do not care for share price increase they buy bonds not stocks.
BTW I am a MS shareholder and as such I always read very thoroughly their financial reports.


That depends. Some people want low risk but guaranteed returns and MS is a good stock for that (far far better than savings accounts tbh). Sure if you invested that money in Apple you would have made more in the same time period but when Apple falls (and it will) you just lost tons of money.

-Razorfold said,

That depends. Some people want low risk but guaranteed returns and MS is a good stock for that (far far better than savings accounts tbh). Sure if you invested that money in Apple you would have made more in the same time period but when Apple falls (and it will) you just lost tons of money.

If you want low risk and guaranteed returns you buy AAA Bonds, I never mentioned savings accounts. Apple will fall? It might be although by this logic MS or any other company could fall as well. MS P/E is 14.79, Apple one is 15.48; no big differences here, All the other Apple fundamentals are not bad at all.
Again the stock market carries a greater risk than other opportunities.

Fritzly said,

If you want low risk and guaranteed returns you buy AAA Bonds, I never mentioned savings accounts. Apple will fall? It might be although by this logic MS or any other company could fall as well. MS P/E is 14.79, Apple one is 15.48; no big differences here, All the other Apple fundamentals are not bad at all.
Again the stock market carries a greater risk than other opportunities.


Yes that is true but MS' income comes from a vast range of products. If they lose one there are others to supplement it. Office makes them the most money, Windows comes second and neither of those are going anywhere anytime soon. Then there's Exchange, Windows Server, Windows Embedded, all their patents they hold and get royalties on, Windows Live and Bing (advertising), the new store and so on.

Apple on the other hand gets the majority of their income from 2 products, the iPhone and the iPad. They're losing their iPhone dominance to Android (they're no longer number 1) and while the iPad still dominates other tablets are slowly eroding away at it. If Apple loses either of those products, their revenue will collapse and so will their share price.

ingramator said,

a) How would you know, you don't have it
b) Have fun on the fukin PSN mate
c) Everything else you said was a joke

a) I've had it. Sold my Xbox because I didn't use it. I dont want to pay more for less and i can't believe they actually put in adverticements in a service you pay money for.
b) Don't really care for Sony or Playstation. Releasing a console and releasing it with a price tag of FIVE HOUNDRED AND NINTY NINE DOLLARS isn't exactly what I think of when I want the industry to thrive.
c) Sure... a joke... So Xbox with 68 million consoles vs Wii with 97 million and Playstaion 3 with 66 million is a joke. True dominance. Bet Microsoft cant even see their competition anymore.
And why should someone buy an Xbox if they don't want to play games? A Samsung Smart TV can record TV, do HBO, Netflix, Hulu, youtube you name it.

Microsoft mainly sell two products:
Windows (windows workstation / windows server)
and
office

Right now, Microsoft is pretty close to sell a new version of Windows. So, we should wait after it.

Brony said,
Microsoft mainly sell two products:
Windows (windows workstation / windows server)
and
office

Right now, Microsoft is pretty close to sell a new version of Windows. So, we should wait after it.


You shouldn't forget about their other products that are showing growth as well.
Bing has been continually gaining marketshare, their xbox brand is highly popular(excluding japan.. ;/), their windows phones and surface tablets still have plenty of room to stretch in the next several years.

Brony said,
Microsoft mainly sell two products:
Windows (windows workstation / windows server)
and
office

did you forget to count? but that's 3 products... but then again you forgot one more, which is the entertainment division who been turning positive for a little while and it's going to keep going.

Right now, Microsoft is pretty close to sell a new version of Windows. So, we should wait after it.

Brony said,
Microsoft mainly sell two products:
Windows (windows workstation / windows server)
and
office

Right now, Microsoft is pretty close to sell a new version of Windows. So, we should wait after it.

Actually if you count production software and 'services', they have around 200 active and successful products.

Just because average home users only see Windows and Office does not mean that is all Microsoft is doing or about or how they all work together.

From embedded systems to security services to the leading compiler technologies, Microsoft is the most advanced technology company with the more active and 'leading' products/services than anyone else by far.

I think alot of us forget that microsoft is a 6 engine company running on only 3 to 4 at the moment. contrary to google, microsoft has potential for growth in multiple categories, not just one or two.
all google has is search. it sells its android os for free basically and their majority $ is from advertising.
What if bing does indeed continue to climb for the next several years, and comes close to google? some companies are already starting to abandon google search and maps in favor of other services (bing/nokia maps, etc). if this trend does indeed continue and microsoft influences several tech companies to change their device's search to bing, etc, bing will no longer be in a significant minority marketshare. I can easily see it climb go well over 30% in the next few years without the aid of yahoo. and bam, microsoft will google's bread and butter as well: advertising.

In addition, don't forget about the slowly climbing marketshare of windows phone devices and the potentially explosive growth of the windows 8 tablets/hybrids/etc. the merged windows 8 ecosystem is certainly a draw among businesses and many consumers who want a unified system on all of their devices. microsoft has remained dormant for a very long time since vista, but now the company's coming back in a big way. all of these analysts and wall street traders are just overpricing google and apple, to a certain extent. $30 for microsoft is just way underpriced for a company of such potential.

aviator189 said,
I think alot of us forget that microsoft is a 6 engine company running on only 3 to 4 at the moment. contrary to google, microsoft has potential for growth in multiple categories, not just one or two.
all google has is search. it sells its android os for free basically and their majority $ is from advertising.
What if bing does indeed continue to climb for the next several years, and comes close to google? some companies are already starting to abandon google search and maps in favor of other services (bing/nokia maps, etc). if this trend does indeed continue and microsoft influences several tech companies to change their device's search to bing, etc, bing will no longer be in a significant minority marketshare. I can easily see it climb go well over 30% in the next few years without the aid of yahoo. and bam, microsoft will google's bread and butter as well: advertising.

In addition, don't forget about the slowly climbing marketshare of windows phone devices and the potentially explosive growth of the windows 8 tablets/hybrids/etc. the merged windows 8 ecosystem is certainly a draw among businesses and many consumers who want a unified system on all of their devices. microsoft has remained dormant for a very long time since vista, but now the company's coming back in a big way. all of these analysts and wall street traders are just overpricing google and apple, to a certain extent. $30 for microsoft is just way underpriced for a company of such potential.

Heck even take this hyberbole and apply it to Google. What if governments, the EU, or the US passed legislation that prevented 'tracking' users with targeted advertising, made it illegal to spy on personal email, illegal to spy on personal content, and deemed Google's trending data that uses 'inside information from personal searches' as 'insider trading' and illegal?

Or even if just one of these areas were made illegal?

The email spying and personal document spying that Google does could very easily end up getting outlawed in both the US and EU in the next few years.

Google would be a pets.com footnote in history overnight.

Having all your work and even what little new technology or projects they develop all go back to how they can obtain, gather, and make money off of collecting information is a bottleneck of a business plan.

Especially when this collection of information is nearly illegal now, and could truly be shut down.


thenetavenger said,

Heck even take this hyberbole and apply it to Google. What if governments, the EU, or the US passed legislation that prevented 'tracking' users with targeted advertising, made it illegal to spy on personal email, illegal to spy on personal content, and deemed Google's trending data that uses 'inside information from personal searches' as 'insider trading' and illegal?

What if ABC corp. tomorrow come up with an amazing new paradigm and become the raising star of the next ten years?
Everything is possible, theorically of course, but....

The main reason in my opinion is google highly concentrated on their services whereas Microsoft is highly distracted and doesn't emphasize on what they are doing the best. Instead poops around on its values. There were time where Microsoft IE was the best but now is just a naked stupid corporate style browser where most people hate. There are many examples like this.

S3P€hR said,
The main reason in my opinion is google highly concentrated on their services whereas Microsoft is highly distracted and doesn't emphasize on what they are doing the best. Instead poops around on its values. There were time where Microsoft IE was the best but now is just a naked stupid corporate style browser where most people hate. There are many examples like this.

The fact that Microsoft Diversify is a reason why MS will be more valuable long term, these companies only have investors who jump on the bandwagon but don't necessarily look for long term value.

thealexweb said,

That's what a lot said when Apple overtake in terms of market cap.

But google has no true product other than advertising... They have Zero product and please save me the laugh from self driving, wearable glasses crap.

thealexweb said,

That's what a lot said when Apple overtake in terms of market cap.

Sustained? Apple does well at spikes, but unless they can create something as market shaking as the iPhone or iPad every two years, they have no sustainable future. Which, just like Mac sales will dip all their current profits far below long term technology companies with solid growth and sustained profitability.

Apple spikes, dies down, gets a bail out, spikes, dies down, gets a bail out. (Ironically, twice it has been Microsoft that bailed them out.)

People forget that back in the 1980s, even as big as DOS was and Microsoft's business success with Word and Excel (that also gave the Mac business credibility) that Apple was significantly larger than Microsoft. Microsoft was just other tiny muti-million dollar software company compared to the huge multi-billion dollar Apple company.

Apple II, Mac, iMac, iPod, iTunes, iPhone, iPad
These are the 'spike' products of Apple's success, and they have limited technology shelf life, before dipping back down to a 5% market share of obscurity, just as the Mac did.

This is where stock, speculation, and investment doesn't pay attention to history and is hoping that Apple can magically create a new trend technology next year, because if they don't, the spike is over for them.

iTunes is their only semi-sustained business product model, and the current relationship with media distributor is horrible. They hate it and would love for something not-Apple to gain enough traction that they could tell Apple to go pound sand. Xbox Music Video and other new App model technologies could make this happen in a couple years, which is not a long term business model.

(Even now Netflix, Pandora, Xbox Music/Video and Cable Box Apps for Xbox and PCs are creating a new infrastructure for music/video content, making iTunes obsolete even today.)

nickcruz said,

But google has no true product other than advertising... They have Zero product and please save me the laugh from self driving, wearable glasses crap.

They buy up technologies and shove them out all the time. And they only completely destroy about 50% of them while crippling the rest.

At least Apple has put together a few technologies themselves, or built on technologies without buying out a product and slapping their name on it. (Ok, there is Siri, and few, but not at the crazy ass level that Google does.)

Microsoft R&D has always worked from the 5-10 year strategy, and they were doing stuff 10 years ago that is now starting to become consumer products. This is where Microsoft is underestimated. They have a solid projected business model, even if they didn't release a new product for 10 years.

There are also the products that they do release that even if they don't financially benefit the most, are responsible for changing the technology industry.

We wouldn't have the GPU or CPU or SoC or even specifically the ARM technology we have today if it wasn't for Microsoft. Yet very few in the technology world relates any of these technologies or the important changes to Microsoft, and when it comes to investment and business, they absolutely have no understanding or know that Microsoft is the corner stone of the modern hardware era.

(Intel and AMD both use Microsoft SoC designs, all video cards use Microsoft's GPU reference design that started with the Xbox 360, and on and on.)

Inflated stock prices are meaningless.

People literally inflate Apple's stock for their billions of 'cash on hand', yet if they 'think' large amounts of 'cash on hand' is a bad indicator for a technology company.

1) If they had new technologies to create and build, they would putting this money towards them. They are not.
2) The reason Apple has amounts of Cash is simple math. They haven't paid out dividends for a long time and just started to ease into it earlier this year (a political move to help jump their stock prices.)

In contrast, if Microsoft wasn't paying out dividends, they would have far more Cash than Apple.

However, even without the dividend difference, Microsoft also has 'new technology' to invest in, which is reinvesting in themselves, their future, and new products/technology. This is why Microsoft R&D budgets have always been vastly bigger than any other technology company.

"Many financial analysts see this development as an indication of Google's business plan, which concentrates on online services and products, as the best model."

What?!

Look at Apple, they aren't in the online business up until recently and their market value has reached the sky. Those analysts are silly... there's no best model.

And if you look at what products and services Microsoft and Google offer respectively and how they do it, then this doesn't come as a surprise at all.

I think it's only a matter of time before the next challenger, IBM, surpasses Microsoft too. Their future is really certain!

Tpiom said,
"Many financial analysts see this development as an indication of Google's business plan, which concentrates on online services and products, as the best model."

What?!

Look at Apple, they aren't in the online business up until recently and their market value has reached the sky. Those analysts are silly... there's no best model.

And if you look at what products and services Microsoft and Google offer respectively and how they do it, then this doesn't come as a surprise at all.

I think it's only a matter of time before the next challenger, IBM, surpasses too. Their future is really certain!

What people are forgetting about is that companies like Apple and Google only have a few sources for this income. For Apple, it's their iDevices, when people get sick of them and we arrive at iPhone 7 (featuring a slightly better camera) Apple really don't have anywhere to go. We will be back to the dark ages of the 1990s where they were pretty much finished because no one bought their crap.

As for Google, they are just another parasitic company with no foundations to fall onto. 99% of their revenue is coming from internet advertisement and the reason these "all knowing" investors are feeding their money to them is because the internet is only getting bigger as there is definite room for growth. However to be perfectly honest Bing is starting to catch up and unlike Google, Microsoft has billions upon billions of dollars to spend on Bing because their R and D budget is the biggest in the world. If Bing overtakes Google they are literally screwed they have nothing but some ****ty OSes.

Microsoft has so many markets that its locked into is basically an unstoppable beast. Off the top of my head they are in cloud computing, gaming- software and hardware wise, hardware peripherals-mice keyboards etc, Various OSes- (server, desktop, mobile,) and other popular products like office. Believe me Microsoft is definitely a better investment then Google or Apple. It makes a lot of things and it poors a lot of money into research and development.

Ingramator.

ingramator said,

What people are forgetting about is that companies like Apple and Google only have a few sources for this income. For Apple, it's their iDevices, when people get sick of them and we arrive at iPhone 7 (featuring a slightly better camera) Apple really don't have anywhere to go. We will be back to the dark ages of the 1990s where they were pretty much finished because no one bought their crap.

As for Google, they are just another parasitic company with no foundations to fall onto. 99% of their revenue is coming from internet advertisement and the reason these "all knowing" investors are feeding their money to them is because the internet is only getting bigger as there is definite room for growth. However to be perfectly honest Bing is starting to catch up and unlike Google, Microsoft has billions upon billions of dollars to spend on Bing because their R and D budget is the biggest in the world. If Bing overtakes Google they are literally screwed they have nothing but some ****ty OSes.

Microsoft has so many markets that its locked into is basically an unstoppable beast. Off the top of my head they are in cloud computing, gaming- software and hardware wise, hardware peripherals-mice keyboards etc, Various OSes- (server, desktop, mobile,) and other popular products like office. Believe me Microsoft is definitely a better investment then Google or Apple. It makes a lot of things and it poors a lot of money into research and development.

Ingramator.

Yawn! We've been hearing about Apple's demise since from back in the iPod days from 2000. They have enough of a cold hard cashpile to last them through many nuclear winters!

szo said,

Yawn! We've been hearing about Apple's demise since from back in the iPod days from 2000. They have enough of a cold hard cashpile to last them through many nuclear winters!

Apple is far from over but Microsoft is still a better investment.

ingramator said,

Apple is far from over but Microsoft is still a better investment.

Well, MS shares have been quite still for twelve years so yes, it could be good to buy now and betting on Ballmer retirement.

szo said,

Yawn! We've been hearing about Apple's demise since from back in the iPod days from 2000. They have enough of a cold hard cashpile to last them through many nuclear winters!

Are you an iFanboy? Then that huge cold hard cashpile contains your money too, and millions of others iTooters' cash.

Did you buy your spiffy new $29 connector yet?

That's because Google actually innovates while Microsoft has been busy destroying their own products starting with Vista and continued on with 7 and 8 as well as pretty much all of their products. And anyone who disagrees and says 7 is the new XP should go CREATE a system restore point right now.

JAB Creations said,
That's because Google actually innovates while Microsoft has been busy destroying their own products starting with Vista and continued on with 7 and 8 as well as pretty much all of their products.

Yeah I quite agree about W8 but W7 isn't all that bad if I'm honest.

JAB Creations said,
That's because Google actually innovates while Microsoft has been busy destroying their own products starting with Vista and continued on with 7 and 8 as well as pretty much all of their products. And anyone who disagrees and says 7 is the new XP should go CREATE a system restore point right now.

What's wrong with 7?

JAB Creations said,
That's because Google actually innovates while Microsoft has been busy destroying their own products starting with Vista and continued on with 7 and 8 as well as pretty much all of their products. And anyone who disagrees and says 7 is the new XP should go CREATE a system restore point right now.

I can understand 8, kinda. I mean it works great for me but preference is preference. 7 is solid though. I don't do system restore points. If my system goes to hell I reinstall the OS. Which, mind you, I haven't had to do since I got Windows 7.

JAB Creations said,
That's because Google actually innovates while Microsoft has been busy destroying their own products starting with Vista and continued on with 7 and 8 as well as pretty much all of their products. And anyone who disagrees and says 7 is the new XP should go CREATE a system restore point right now.

go to control panel and type in "create restore point"

Tyler R. said,

What's wrong with 7?


That's what I want to know as well. 7 is a pretty stable & reliable OS, so I don't know where he came up with the idea of Windows 7 being a "disaster".

JAB Creations said,
That's because Google actually innovates while Microsoft has been busy destroying their own products starting with Vista and continued on with 7 and 8 as well as pretty much all of their products. And anyone who disagrees and says 7 is the new XP should go CREATE a system restore point right now.

Creating a restore point in windows 7 is difficult for you??
You're probably just not doing it right.

And what has google done recently in terms of innovation?

JAB Creations said,
That's because Google actually innovates while Microsoft has been busy destroying their own products starting with Vista and continued on with 7 and 8 as well as pretty much all of their products. And anyone who disagrees and says 7 is the new XP should go CREATE a system restore point right now.


Lemme guess, Bill gates didn't sign your intellimouse at a public event..

I actually think Microsoft is the most innovative of the big 3 companies right now. Metro/WP7, Bing social search, Kinect, Surface touch cover, Ford Sync, Xbox Live, etc. I wouldn't really portray any of the big 3 tech companies as lacking in innovation although Apple has been the most conservative lately (most of their innovations took place 4-5 years ago).

JAB Creations said,
That's because Google actually innovates while Microsoft has been busy destroying their own products starting with Vista and continued on with 7 and 8 as well as pretty much all of their products. And anyone who disagrees and says 7 is the new XP should go CREATE a system restore point right now.

What did Google Innovate with? Dumb Projects that get shut down after 4 years of unuse?

JAB Creations said,
That's because Google actually innovates while Microsoft has been busy destroying their own products starting with Vista and continued on with 7 and 8 as well as pretty much all of their products. And anyone who disagrees and says 7 is the new XP should go CREATE a system restore point right now.

i agree with everything except windows 7. windows 7 is still the best OS MS has made.

ians18 said,

What did Google Innovate with? Dumb Projects that get shut down after 4 years of unuse?


Lemme guess, you bricked your android phone after an unsuccesful root attempt?

JAB Creations said,
That's because Google actually innovates while Microsoft has been busy destroying their own products starting with Vista and continued on with 7 and 8 as well as pretty much all of their products. And anyone who disagrees and says 7 is the new XP should go CREATE a system restore point right now.

What are you talking about?

JAB Creations said,
That's because Google actually innovates while Microsoft has been busy destroying their own products starting with Vista and continued on with 7 and 8 as well as pretty much all of their products. And anyone who disagrees and says 7 is the new XP should go CREATE a system restore point right now.

Google innovate? One of few modern technology companies that has purchased nearly 99% of all the technology they use?

So buying out companies and technology is your idea of innovating? Weird.

thenetavenger said,

Google innovate? One of few modern technology companies that has purchased nearly 99% of all the technology they use?

So buying out companies and technology is your idea of innovating? Weird.

That's an innovative way of being innovative, I guess.

thenetavenger said,

Google innovate? One of few modern technology companies that has purchased nearly 99% of all the technology they use?

So buying out companies and technology is your idea of innovating? Weird.

If you were an innovator, wouldn't you sell your idea for a couple million or even billions of dollars?
I think you would.
If they can buy it and make it better or more popular, then it is their management that sees that quality. There's nothing wrong with that and maybe that's what Microsoft should have done... But they only did it with Skype, which is unfortunately too little.

JAB Creations said,
That's because Google actually innovates while Microsoft has been busy destroying their own products starting with Vista and continued on with 7 and 8 as well as pretty much all of their products. And anyone who disagrees and says 7 is the new XP should go CREATE a system restore point right now.

Dafuq did I just read?

Google FanDroidBoi!!!

JAB Creations said,
That's because Google actually innovates while Microsoft has been busy destroying their own products starting with Vista and continued on with 7 and 8 as well as pretty much all of their products. And anyone who disagrees and says 7 is the new XP should go CREATE a system restore point right now.

Google ripped off the iPhone... That's innovation right there...

ians18 said,

What did Google Innovate with? Dumb Projects that get shut down after 4 years of unuse?

morden said,
go to control panel and type in "create restore point"

And that only further proves my point. Why would I go to 'System Properties' to create a restore point? You should do this from System Restore! But it was removed. I don't SEARCH for work, I GO to work. I will never associate Microsoft with search no matter how much they destroy their own products to do so. This is anti-intuitive. Innovation is called innovation when something difficult is made easy.

JAB Creations said,

And that only further proves my point. Why would I go to 'System Properties' to create a restore point? You should do this from System Restore! But it was removed. I don't SEARCH for work, I GO to work. I will never associate Microsoft with search no matter how much they destroy their own products to do so. This is anti-intuitive. Innovation is called innovation when something difficult is made easy.

Wait, I'm confused. It takes me all of 2 seconds to use Search, and you still want to click around the OS? How is that intuitive?

vincent said,


Lemme guess, you bricked your android phone after an unsuccesful root attempt?

Actually, no I don't own Android (like/ use Windows Phone) and I rooted and flashed a Jelly Bean ROM on my Kindle Fire.