Google VP labels Microsoft and Nokia partnership as "Two Turkeys"

In a tweet that is likely to add fuel to an already well-burning fire, Google’s Vice President of Engineering, Vic Gundotra has all but named both Nokia and Microsoft as “Two Turkeys” in regards to their upcoming Windows Phone 7 announcement due on Friday.

In the tweet, Vic Gundotra used the hashtag #feb11 (the date that the Nokia/Microsoft announcement is set to be made) and said that “Two turkeys do not make an Eagle.” The tweet is seen as a direct message implying that Nokia is all but certain to go with Microsoft's Windows Phone 7 OS on upcoming handsets.

According to Fortune, Gundotra is believed to have been in on talks with Nokia about the likelihood of the Finnish company choosing the Android operating system for their handsets, but judging from his tweet, it looks like that will not be happening any time soon.

Nokia was once at the forefront of the smartphone revolution, but with the emergence of new platforms such as Android and iOS, they have struggled in recent years, and recently appointed Nokia CEO Stephen Elop has all but admitted defeat in the smartphone wars in an internal memo.

A deal between both Nokia and Microsoft could be the huge boost that both companies really need. Nokia last year reported a 40% drop in profits, and its success in the United States has left a lot to be desired. Microsoft also has some catching up to do, with Windows Phone 7 holding a mere 2% market share, as opposed to Android's estimated 32.5% market share.

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Haha, so true. Two platforms that are going nowhere join forces to go err.. nowhere. This reeks of desperation from both Microsoft and Nokia.

I love Nokia N8, but the Symbian OS is outdated, confusing, and quite slow to respond. I'd encourage Nokia to go for another O/S like Android or Windows Phone 7, unless if they can release a new innovative OS

I'm so sick of the Google Android fanboy's, talk about closed minded, I love Wp7, yet all the Anti Microsoft bias is BS, I was reading Robert Scobles blog today, that guy is so Anti Microsoft and he's such a Google fanboy he's just hard to take.

I love competition, I have a Mac Book pro and a Windows 7 notebook and like them both.

i just don't understand why some of these so called experts on the industry have such an anti Microsoft personal slant, yet go crazy over lame products like the Google Chrome OS.

Go figure.

People have a bad habit of scapegoating Microsoft when they can't be bothered to form an educated opinion. Not that Microsoft can do no wrong but they are often hated on because of sheer ignorance.

Gaffney,

Why is it good that Nokia is going down the drain? Wouldn't it be better if they and MS actually made this a 3 horse race - then we all win. I have never heard of a Nokia hater and MS is old news and not worth beating on.

Anyone else just starting to get really annoyed with Google's arrogance?

We have Nokia, that like or hate them, have shaped and been a part of the cell phone industry since it was being built, offering some of the best phones in the 90s for a price that helped make cell phones affordable to the average person.

Then we have Microsoft a company that does put a lot of money into R&D that has created technologies every company uses, including Google. And without Microsoft computers would still be quite a mess and a company like Google wouldn't have over a billion people able to use their search/services.

Then Google comes out with a condescending remark? Google has added 'little' to the world in terms of functionality or technology, but even beyond that even out of technical respect, Google should probably keep their mouth shut.

Good, this confirms Nokia is going down the drain, and taking WP7 with it. This also confirms that this new exec was planted in there by MS, in a well thought out move. MS saw that Nokia was going down. What better than to send a guy in from your own camp, wait until all hope is almost lost, then make a push for an alliance with your home camp, and come up with a BS 'leaked' memo with a captivating story to ease the transition for old timers in the company. Well played MS.

People seem to somehow think that Nokia's present market share is going to help WP7. What they seem to not realize is that much of this market share is made from low cost, under powered devices. Its not like all these users are going to get a free upgrade to WP7. Neither are they going to be able to afford a $400+ phone. Coupled with WP7 minimum hardware requirements, I don't think WP7's market share is going to jump radically any time soon. Yes, there will be the Nokia fanboys and the Windows fan boys, but that is it.

After this, I wouldn't be surprised to see the credibility of Nokia handsets going down as well.

recursive said,
Good, this confirms Nokia is going down the drain, and taking WP7 with it. This also confirms that this new exec was planted in there by MS, in a well thought out move. MS saw that Nokia was going down. What better than to send a guy in from your own camp, wait until all hope is almost lost, then make a push for an alliance with your home camp, and come up with a BS 'leaked' memo with a captivating story to ease the transition for old timers in the company. Well played MS.

People seem to somehow think that Nokia's present market share is going to help WP7. What they seem to not realize is that much of this market share is made from low cost, under powered devices. Its not like all these users are going to get a free upgrade to WP7. Neither are they going to be able to afford a $400+ phone. Coupled with WP7 minimum hardware requirements, I don't think WP7's market share is going to jump radically any time soon. Yes, there will be the Nokia fanboys and the Windows fan boys, but that is it.

After this, I wouldn't be surprised to see the credibility of Nokia handsets going down as well.

WP7 going down ? I can't see it taking any huge leaps but Android had it easy.

recursive said,
Good, this confirms Nokia is going down the drain, and taking WP7 with it. This also confirms that this new exec was planted in there by MS, in a well thought out move. MS saw that Nokia was going down. What better than to send a guy in from your own camp, wait until all hope is almost lost, then make a push for an alliance with your home camp, and come up with a BS 'leaked' memo with a captivating story to ease the transition for old timers in the company. Well played MS.

People seem to somehow think that Nokia's present market share is going to help WP7. What they seem to not realize is that much of this market share is made from low cost, under powered devices. Its not like all these users are going to get a free upgrade to WP7. Neither are they going to be able to afford a $400+ phone. Coupled with WP7 minimum hardware requirements, I don't think WP7's market share is going to jump radically any time soon. Yes, there will be the Nokia fanboys and the Windows fan boys, but that is it.

After this, I wouldn't be surprised to see the credibility of Nokia handsets going down as well.

Ah you are so cute... You forget that WinCE can run on rather limited hardware that easily fits into the low cost device model, and has been doing so in places you probably don't even realize exist.

WinCE7 is here and is far lighter than Android or iOS, and is also independant of WP7 .net platform layer.

If Nokia wants, they could fully partner with Microsoft with WinCE running the cheap phones. However, they don't even have to, as they can keep doing what they are doing with their current mobile technologies.

But there is one history tied to this statement. Nokia's VP of Entertainment in 2005 gave the same statement when BenQ and Seimens[perhaps] partnered to take on Nokia in Europe. So, again a past EGO attitude from Nokia is being handed over to them here by yet another EGO-Filled Giant
Who knows what's on Google fate if they also receive the same statement some day!!!

I remember Google actually acquired a company that made Andriod and made it open source. They started of with someone's half baked cookies and then presented it to the bakers for frosting and they are giving statements as if they had made something from scratch, offered it for free and still someone rejected it

Benjy91 said,
You know what Google. **** you.

I used to like you.

Exactly what i have been thinking in recent months.

Futurix said,
Two turkeys do not make an eagle, but they can peck the eagle to death.

Ha. So true. in fact, can one single eagle beat two huge turkeys?

Futurix said,
Two turkeys do not make an eagle, but they can peck the eagle to death.

assuming google is the eagle, then they should be afraid

I think those market share stats are wrong, aren't they % sales of phones by their OSs for Q4 last year, not overall market share as they seem to be portrayed as.

Isn't this kind of a hint at the future? Right before Android's success, a bunch of other brands dissed Android pretty badly. It seems like vitriol is a great way to predict the success of a move.

Probably because if something really has no hope of succeeding, other companies don't bother wasting words on them.

What's amazing is how Twitter has shown us that these new age executives are just as childish as anyone else.

Joshie said,
Isn't this kind of a hint at the future? Right before Android's success, a bunch of other brands dissed Android pretty badly. It seems like vitriol is a great way to predict the success of a move.

Probably because if something really has no hope of succeeding, other companies don't bother wasting words on them.

What's amazing is how Twitter has shown us that these new age executives are just as childish as anyone else.

+1

Joshie said,
Isn't this kind of a hint at the future? Right before Android's success, a bunch of other brands dissed Android pretty badly. It seems like vitriol is a great way to predict the success of a move.

Probably because if something really has no hope of succeeding, other companies don't bother wasting words on them.

What's amazing is how Twitter has shown us that these new age executives are just as childish as anyone else.

Good points.

Joshie said,
Isn't this kind of a hint at the future? Right before Android's success, a bunch of other brands dissed Android pretty badly. It seems like vitriol is a great way to predict the success of a move.

Probably because if something really has no hope of succeeding, other companies don't bother wasting words on them.

What's amazing is how Twitter has shown us that these new age executives are just as childish as anyone else.

+1

Joshie said,
Isn't this kind of a hint at the future? Right before Android's success, a bunch of other brands dissed Android pretty badly. It seems like vitriol is a great way to predict the success of a move.

Probably because if something really has no hope of succeeding, other companies don't bother wasting words on them.

What's amazing is how Twitter has shown us that these new age executives are just as childish as anyone else.

Copy pasted to my notebook of great words

I like WP7 as a software, but all the hardware that's out there right now seems outdated when you look at the specs(or huge tradeoffs in one department or another compared to Android phones).

I've been in the market for a new phone for awhile now and hope _something_ good for WP7 comes out at MWC, otherwise it'll be too little, too late for at least once customer. If Nokia is going to do it, they need to show something awesome and let me buy one in the next 30 days.

I agree with you - WP7 is really interessting (from a user's and a developer's point of view )
but currently I can't find one device thats perfect, all of them have their pros and cons…

MFH said,
I agree with you - WP7 is really interessting (from a user's and a developer's point of view )
but currently I can't find one device thats perfect, all of them have their pros and cons…

ditto

NXTwoThou said,
I like WP7 as a software, but all the hardware that's out there right now seems outdated when you look at the specs(or huge tradeoffs in one department or another compared to Android phones).

I've been in the market for a new phone for awhile now and hope _something_ good for WP7 comes out at MWC, otherwise it'll be too little, too late for at least once customer. If Nokia is going to do it, they need to show something awesome and let me buy one in the next 30 days.


what's the point of having more powerful device on WP7? it's works fine on all devices (only games and huge apps loading time affected by memory type) and designed to be that way for preventing software fragmentation.

х.iso said,

what's the point of having more powerful device on WP7? it's works fine on all devices (only games and huge apps loading time affected by memory type) and designed to be that way for preventing software fragmentation.

Nokia has a software and hardware nestegg they're sitting on, its just they have nothing to compete against the entire ecosystems of droid and apple. I don't think they want to compete against HTC or Samsung as simply a hardware company, i think they want to be a player in the entire ecosystem without the burden of the heavy investment to make that happen under Meego. WP7 is early enough they could partner with MS to achieve what they want to achieve without re-doing all the work MS has already accomplished (and expenses therein..)

NXTwoThou said,
I like WP7 as a software, but all the hardware that's out there right now seems outdated when you look at the specs(or huge tradeoffs in one department or another compared to Android phones).

I've been in the market for a new phone for awhile now and hope _something_ good for WP7 comes out at MWC, otherwise it'll be too little, too late for at least once customer. If Nokia is going to do it, they need to show something awesome and let me buy one in the next 30 days.

I agree. The WP7 hardware on AT&T at release was pretty disappointing.

Google acquired Android OS for a cell phone strategy, just think of this as Microsoft acquiring a better hardware strategy for their cell phone strategy.

Nokia software just didn't feel right to me but the hardware has been pretty good most of the time so could be a good partnership with WP7 especially as Nokia is such a well knows brand. It will probably help Nokia and MS to gain a good piece of the pie. They both need a good lift in the market. It will be hard to dent Android any time soon, long road ahead. Consumers may turn to WP7 with Nokia at the forefront though. Smart deal for both parties.

KavazovAngel said,

ChromeOS competing with Windows 8? You're not serious, right?


he is just funny. The crappy browser OS against a real OS. he must be kidding or effin high!

KavazovAngel said,

ChromeOS competing with Windows 8? You're not serious, right?

Hardly competition. Google's business model appears to be "borrow" open source software, throw a fancy UI on top of it, rape users of their personal data..... profit.

Shadrack said,

Hardly competition. Google's business model appears to be "borrow" open source software, throw a fancy UI on top of it, rape users of their personal data..... profit.

Google model is more to have the platform an open/free model and the the profits are built from services / products that's on top the platform.

etempest said,

Google model is more to have the platform an open/free model and the the profits are built from services / products that's on top the platform.

LOL Shadrack's comment had it nearly dead on, yet you replied to it with a naive comment. You're still living in the times when Google was just a search engine. Eric Schmidt changed all that. Wake up!

Yeah, I though Nokia was going for an à la HTC approach -- support a wider ecosystem.
This certainly seems like sour grapes.

blahism said,
Wow, so its painfully obvious Nokia won't be doing android and Google has a rod up their ass

I guess they are upset that they will pay microsoft for their OS instead of taking googles for free.. I would also be upset if I was offering something for free but they paid someone else for something similar.

Lachlan said,

I guess they are upset that they will pay microsoft for their OS instead of taking googles for free.. I would also be upset if I was offering something for free but they paid someone else for something similar.

The "google" services and branding are not free and without the services, the full experience isn't there.

Its been known for some time that it was part of microsoft's plan to put one of their own in control of a dying company with a huge marketshare that needed a refresh. At least google can't take this one to court like they do the government bids and say that they weren't given a fair chance.

It would be really interesting to see how the partnership will work out because nokia is known for a lot of ultra cheap feature phones which boost its market share and the minimum windows phone 7 specs don't lend themselves well to that market.

joshua.barker said,

The "google" services and branding are not free and without the services, the full experience isn't there.

Its been known for some time that it was part of microsoft's plan to put one of their own in control of a dying company with a huge marketshare that needed a refresh. At least google can't take this one to court like they do the government bids and say that they weren't given a fair chance.

It would be really interesting to see how the partnership will work out because nokia is known for a lot of ultra cheap feature phones which boost its market share and the minimum windows phone 7 specs don't lend themselves well to that market.


Right on!
Android is free unless you actually want access Android Market, Gmail, Google Voice, etc.

day2die said,

Right on!
Android is free unless you actually want access Android Market, Gmail, Google Voice, etc.

You also need to pay patents, but unlike MS that does this for the OEM's and gives them a fully protected license, google hands them the source code and tell everyone to deal with it themselves.