Government response to petition 'VistaOvercharge'

Thanks to Larney for the heads up

The UK government have responded to the Vista Overcharge petition.

"Apart from a limited number of exceptions, no price controls operate in the UK and no restrictions are placed on the prices which business may charge consumers. Retailers are free to set their own prices, but they are required to display them in an unambiguous, easily identifiable and clearly legible way in order to enable consumers to compare prices in different outlets and so obtain the best value for money. The Government takes the view that its role is to facilitate competition by promoting open and competitive markets, rather than to control directly the price setting behaviour of the firms within the market. But regulation may be necessary where competition is not working effectively or is not fully developed.

Under the UK competition law it is the responsibility of the Office of Fair Trading (OFT) to investigate allegations of anti-competitive behaviour and possible abuses of market power. The OFT can act if the pricing levels are the result of anti-competitive behaviour. All details should be forwarded to the OFT at: Fleetbank House, 2-6 Salisbury Square, London EC4Y 8JX."

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First off... it's Vista, not vispa. I can't, in any way, excuse that as a typographical error. 'P' and 'T' are on opposite sides of the keyboard (in a qwerty configuration) so... since everything else was spelled correctly... I will not pass judgement over you grammar... but.... You had better check on the rules for exports from the USA before making that conclusion.

tao muon said,
First off... it's Vista, not vispa. I can't, in any way, excuse that as a typographical error. 'P' and 'T' are on opposite sides of the keyboard (in a qwerty configuration) so... since everything else was spelled correctly... I will not pass judgement over you grammar... but.... You had better check on the rules for exports from the USA before making that conclusion.


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I got my Vista for free so stop whining and crying. Get off the couch and get a job and buy it. Or do what I did, join a Microsoft group and then get rewarded for your participation. If you think its too expensive go use something else. XP is far better than Vista right now anyways. Performance wise. Just my thoughts.

Cheers!

SimpleRules said,
Microsoft forbid their sellers to ship the product outside of the US!

And if what you said was true, there would be nothing to argue about.
So go back into your hole and come out when you know what you're talking about.

tao muon said,

And if what you said was true, there would be nothing to argue about.
So go back into your hole and come out when you know what you're talking about.

Alright, go to Amazon and order me a copy. Ship it to the UK and we'll see.

Retailers can not sell it outside the US.

Do you not understand it is made in Europe, not everything comes from the US, it isn't imported, it is re-created at a higher price.

How about you crawl back in to your hole, called America, and continue to ignore the big wide world, until you want to invade one of us that is.

The euro smokes the US dollar. And your point? Products are exported to another country, and tarrifs added, of course it will be more than a domestic sold product. Hmm... Economics. If I buy a beer in the EU thats made there its cheaper then buying it in the states. Its simple economics...

Mikee4fun said,
The euro smokes the US dollar. And your point? Products are exported to another country, and tarrifs added, of course it will be more than a domestic sold product. Hmm... Economics. If I buy a beer in the EU thats made there its cheaper then buying it in the states. Its simple economics...

If you re-read, he said products made in the EU are cheaper in the US ... with US import duties!

I may add our sales taxes of 15%-20% might be to blame, but ofcourse us Europeans love socialized benefits, the knocked-up 12 year old and her chain-smoking binge-driking tatooed unemployed single mother Fizz with 11 kids, 5 already smoking ciggarettes, crystal meth and binge drinking,along with her boyfriend Spike - a thug who drives a motorcylce paid for by the tax payers, need all our money they can take - they sure won't work for it!

kiddies will dish out 300.00 for a gameboy but whine about a 'Computer' Operating System that could actually help you find some 'intelligence' or 'education'

hapbt said,
If you paid anything for Vista you got over charged!


ZING!

ZAM!

ZOWIE!!

typical anti microsoft comment we were all expecting to happen soon enough..go away you troll....

With the dollar$ decpreciating like it is againt all major and minor currencies the difference will be even more significant in future.

I am not trying to start an argument or anything of the sort because I do think it sucks that the prices are higher there, but I'm wondering how much of that extra cost for you over there is caused by import duties imposed by your government (not to mention the cost of shipping)? Maybe that's why nothing has been done about it yet?

I can understand the iTunes arguments for no other reason than it is digital data without a physical medium for transfer. Vista is a tangible product with packaging and discs.

If Microsoft sells Vista to your importers for the same cost as they sell it to the retailers over here, I don't see how it's Microsoft's fault. Are they supposed to take a bigger loss on Vista just so that the GBP to Dollar conversion plus your import tariffs (and by extension once the legal ball starts rolling conversion to Euros, Rubels, or whatever monetary unit and the other countries' taxes) results in the same net cost?

Factoring in taxes, its still way too much - its double, our currency is heck of a lot stronger than yours, it should be less say around £115 for Vista Basic Home and not £179, it went for $200 in the US which is £100 - where did £79 come from? It certainly isn't taxes ...

Especially considering Vista for Europe is made in the EU (in Ireland), there are no import duties from EU country to EU country.

Also factor in the fact in Ireland, their corporate tax is only 12% ... so Microsoft isn't exposed to any high taxes when it operates in Europe.

Sales tax would have made it around £117 if they used the same original price they did in the US ...

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Either way, I don't like the price but the government isn't to blame or to fix it, its a free market, don't buy Vista!

If you could import it... it would actually be cheaper to buy in the US and import it, after paying import duties, taxes and shipping.

Microsoft? thats just what its called in the US, here its actually branded as MicroRippedOft

I see little incentive to upgrade at the current time, as Ill upgrade my PC in a couple of years, I'll just wait until then.

SimpleRules said,
Factoring in taxes, its still way too much - its double, our currency is heck of a lot stronger than yours, it should be less say around £115 for Vista Basic Home and not £179, it went for $200 in the US which is £100 - where did £79 come from? It certainly isn't taxes ...

Especially considering Vista for Europe is made in the EU (in Ireland), there are no import duties from EU country to EU country.

Also factor in the fact in Ireland, their corporate tax is only 12% ... so Microsoft isn't exposed to any high taxes when it operates in Europe.

Sales tax would have made it around £117 if they used the same original price they did in the US ...

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Either way, I don't like the price but the government isn't to blame or to fix it, its a free market, don't buy Vista!


So, what are the taxes?
Before we discuss it, we need to have some numbers.
Well?

And then you say 'the government isn't to blame or to fix it, its a free market, don't buy Vista!"
So you support the government involvement, but they're not to blame or fix it. You say it's a free market.
So, why are the prices so high?
By what you said, it's Britton's taking advantage of Britton's.
So get mad at your countrymen, not Microsoft.

And next time, make sure your argument makes sense.

plastikaa said,
If you could import it... it would actually be cheaper to buy in the US and import it, after paying import duties, taxes and shipping.

Microsoft? thats just what its called in the US, here its actually branded as MicroRippedOft

I see little incentive to upgrade at the current time, as Ill upgrade my PC in a couple of years, I'll just wait until then.


All I can say is:

Prove Microsoft ripped you off.

What is the breakdown of taxes, shipping, etc.?

Post those numbers and you might be believable.
If you can't, then you are just another anti-MS troll.

And I said I didn't wan't an argument, but it seems the zealots don't understand ENGLISH!

tao muon said,

So, what are the taxes?
Before we discuss it, we need to have some numbers.
Well?

And then you say 'the government isn't to blame or to fix it, its a free market, don't buy Vista!"
So you support the government involvement, but they're not to blame or fix it. You say it's a free market.
So, why are the prices so high?
By what you said, it's Britton's taking advantage of Britton's.
So get mad at your countrymen, not Microsoft.

And next time, make sure your argument makes sense.

I said free market, I never blamed Britons or made any argument otherwise, I gave fact on taxes.

In Ireland, Microsoft is exposed to 12% corporate tax, and when selling in the UK a 17.5% sales tax - those are the only taxes, the corporate tax is lower than America and the sales tax doesn't justify price hike.

No actually, they got involved because iTunes charged different prices here and on the continent and then refused to allow Brits to buy from the continental versions of iTunes. Nothing to do with price differentials with the US. Sadly, that's down to market forces, except when there is a potential breach of monopoly, in which case the OFT investigates and decides whether or not to refer it to the Competition Commission - which is what has happened to Tesco recently.

To be fair, the response does actually tell you how to get the ball rolling legally. For nothing, to boot!

This is stupid.

The EU gets involved when Brits are being charged more for songs from the iTunes Music Store compared to US citizens but when its Microsoft and Vista its taboo? This is political B.S.

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I really dont think the EU has any qualms over going after microsoft, you just have to see the whole "Windows N" fiasco for proof of this.

Athernar said,
I really dont think the EU has any qualms over going after microsoft, you just have to see the whole "Windows N" fiasco for proof of this.


Windows N

N for No one freaking bought it